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Today's topics:

* Al Gore takes aim - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4e2ba8fcc22c79a4?hl=en
* DIY surge protection... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fa560b93f2504a9b?hl=en
* Big electric motors and little VFD's - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/465b6cc7b79a1cce?hl=en
* labelling plastic parts bins - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b20ea27b9e6c5356?hl=en
* Speaking of aluminum cylinder bores... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0529ed0b59765e57?hl=en
* Oil filter wrench - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60ec5e63639fffb7?hl=en
* Wingers keep lying !!! - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3e88a3bd89afa214?hl=en
* Bigger shaft (tap and die guide for tailstock) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d0e6d4e9fbc496be?hl=en
* OT What's your take? OT - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/90f2ae9b8081ec29?hl=en
* 6 quarts of oil instead of 5, in my pickup - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6f3afb5dee7a89fb?hl=en
* ATC drug list - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6bbca6c28399a57b?hl=en
* The Militant Ignoranti - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9f00b27969b00d1e?hl=en
* Metric brass flats? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/76458a620bc87743?hl=en

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TOPIC: Al Gore takes aim
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4e2ba8fcc22c79a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 2:29 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

<dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message
news:377bc530-70c8-413a-8b37-8fea8f30b6bf@q23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 20, 3:08 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:

> I'd like to know how you can say "it is beyond everyone at this time," and
> then, in the same message, say you "have the abillity to understand those
> findings and the methodology."

>Very easy. So easy you can probably understand. I think it is beyond
>everyone at this time to say they understand the earths climate. I
>think it is within my ability to understand the findings and
>methodology that that is being used to say the earth is warming.

Nonsense. How would you know what the appropriate data is? What DO you know
about which data is telling, and which is not? If you don't know those
things, then you can't understand the findings -- because you don't know
which are relevant and which are not.

>
> Lots of people could learn to read the data, if they applied themselves.
> But
> as you implied, hardly anyone does. That doesn't stop them from drawing
> conclusions from things they don't know, however...
>
> Furthermore, when you think there's a "problem with the data," that's
> about
> the same thing as saying that you can't draw a conclusion. It presumes,
> also, that you know what "correct" data would be necessary to draw
> conclusions, or that you would recognize it if you saw it. I don't believe
> that you do, unless you're a very experienced and knowledgable
> climatologist
> in your other life. <g>

>One of the complaints is that the raw data has been withheld. That
>raises a red flag.

How would you know if it's a red flag or a red herring?

> Another complaint is that the US weather service
>is using stations which are affected by where they are located.

How would you know if this is true, or if it has an influence on the
conclusions?

> Most
>are at airports and there have been changes at the airports which
>affect the temperatures reported.

How do you know how they affect the temperatures, in a quantitative sense?
Are you sure that most are at airports? How do you know? Because some
skeptic told you so?

> The kicker, to me, is that you're concluding that some indirect
> measurements
> of the velocity of sound in water between the US and New Zealand is going
> to
> give you the concluding data. I seriously doubt if you have any way of
> knowing that one way or the other. At best, you're relying on the word of
> some third-party specialist.
>

>The sound of water is affected by the density of the water.

No shit, Sherlock.

> The
>density of the water changes with temperature. Ergo you can determine
>the temperature of the water by measuring the velocity of sound in the
>water.

Duh...

> You should have taken Physics in college. I though this was
>so obvious that it needed no explanation. The method is not an
>indirect measurement.

Here's what's not obvious -- nor do you know the answer.

You're talking about one measurement path, a Great Circle, which may or may
not cross numerous currents, the initiation site for El Nino, and so on.
From that you're trying to draw a conclusion about global warming. You don't
know if the pattern between here and NZ is pro-cyclical or counter-cyclical
to the earth's temperature as a whole. You are talking about a measurement
taken over a short span of years, while the data being looked at by serious
scientists is data from decades at least, and hundreds of years in some
cases.

You're whistling in the dark.

> And that's the pattern of most amateurs who presume to know what they're
> talking about. They don't. They're in self-delusional cloud-cuckooland.
>

>I hope I have explained enough so you realize that it is you who
>presume to know what you are talking about. And now realize that you
>don't.

No. I'm the one who knows he DOESN'T know enough about it to fill a tin cup.
You're the one who's drawing all kinds of conclusions from bits and pieces
of data, second-hand. You don't even know how it relates to anything else of
substance. But you THINK you know. In that regard, you fit the pattern.

As for physics, I did Ok, thanks, both in high school and in college.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: DIY surge protection...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fa560b93f2504a9b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 2:54 pm
From: Howard Eisenhauer

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:47:51 -0400, "Existential Angst"
<UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:

>Awl --
>
>On the main breaker box, for the whole house.
>
>First Q: Is surge protection strictly lightning-related?
>
>Holmes on Homes was emphasizing this, saying $500 wasn't much for the
>protection it affords.
>$500?????????????? Holy shit.....
>
>Isn't surge protection just some capacitors?? Connected to where? Each hot
>to ground? Between hots? Values?
>I have a ton of run/start caps, 20 to 100 uF, 370 V.
>
>If you have surge protection on the mains, do you then need those itty-bitty
>surge protectors fer yer pyooters?
>
>Also, sometimes equipment will have an iron-like ring around a wire -- I
>think in power supplies, mebbe surge protectors.
>What is that ring doing? And which wires go thru it? Hot? Hot+return?

Here's a very good document on home protection written for the
non-electrically inclined-

http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lhm/IEEE_Guide.pdf

Pay particular attention to the section on GPR, there's a lot of
people in the industry who, while they may know about it
"intellectually", don't really think about it enough. :(

Suppressors don't just protect against lightening but also against
transient spikes on the power lines induced by heavy equipment etc.

How much protection you get depends on how much money you spend. The
cheaper MOV "little black box" units that Mr. Holme's electrician is
so in love with (he does do neat wiring, though :)) are good for the
occasional spike, if you live in an area prone to lightening & you own
a lot of $$$ electronics you might want fork out for an industrial
strength unit-

http://www.transtector.com/ProductData?class=acph

but figure on ~$1000 for a top of the line one with SASD devices that
will stand up to the abuse.

H..

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TOPIC: Big electric motors and little VFD's
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/465b6cc7b79a1cce?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 2:55 pm
From: "Karl Townsend"

> So can you run an unloaded motor off a VFD that is only rated at half
> the motors hp? Well the answer is that you can not at least with the
> VFD that I was trying. After a second or so, the vfd would stop and
> show an error code. But wait, the motor can be connected for either
...

I had the same result trying a 5 hp. VFD on a 7.5 hp motor.

Karl

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:05 pm
From: "Bill Noble"

I have run motors on smaller VFDs unloaded once or twice and it worked but I
don't remember how far out I was

<dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message
news:c61cf887-5bff-48b7-8662-02ae363062e2@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> I got a good deal on a couple of little VFD's. They take 120 volt
> single phase and put out 240 volt 3 phase and are not very big, but
> they are only rated for 1/4 hp. And me without any 1/4 hp three phase
> motors.
>
> But at the scrap yard, I ran across a 1/2 hp three phase motor that
> had a key taped in place on the shaft. May not have ever been used.
> There were no wire nuts on the power leads and it did not look like
> they had ever had a wire nut on them.
>
> So can you run an unloaded motor off a VFD that is only rated at half
> the motors hp? Well the answer is that you can not at least with the
> VFD that I was trying. After a second or so, the vfd would stop and
> show an error code. But wait, the motor can be connected for either
> 240 or 480 volts. Meaning it has two sets of windings. Connect is
> parallel for 240 volts and in series for 480 volts.
>
> Or you can connect just one set of windings, and voila a 1/4 hp
> motor. Works with the VFD just fine.
>
>
> Dan

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 4:45 pm
From: David Lesher

"dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> writes:

>Or you can connect just one set of windings, and voila a 1/4 hp
>motor. Works with the VFD just fine.

Do the VFD's have any provison to sync two together? If so, you could use
one on each winding set....
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TOPIC: labelling plastic parts bins
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:04 pm
From: Ecnerwal

In article <XfqdnZjXSfbinzjWnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@linkline.com>,
"Stu Fields" <eh@iwvisp.com> wrote:

> I have a number of plastic parts bins purchased from Global. I want to put
> some adhesive backed computer generated labels on the bins. The labels peel
> off after about a week. Any ideas on what adhesive to use?? I've tried
> Elmers, hot glue and some acrylic. None of these seem to work. Global has
> said they don't know either>>>
>
> Stu Fields

Clear tape over.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:09 pm
From: John

On 20 Mar, 17:14, "Stu Fields" <e...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
> I have a number of plastic parts bins purchased from Global.  I want to put
> some adhesive backed computer generated labels on the bins.  The labels peel
> off after about a week.  Any ideas on what adhesive to use??  I've tried
> Elmers, hot glue and some acrylic.  None of these seem to work.  Global has
> said they don't know either>>>
>
> Stu Fields

Double sided tape and degrease first.

John

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 4:24 pm
From: stans4@prolynx.com

On Mar 20, 11:14 am, "Stu Fields" <e...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
> I have a number of plastic parts bins purchased from Global.  I want to put
> some adhesive backed computer generated labels on the bins.  The labels peel
> off after about a week.  Any ideas on what adhesive to use??  I've tried
> Elmers, hot glue and some acrylic.  None of these seem to work.  Global has
> said they don't know either>>>
>
> Stu Fields

Brother PTouch using the tape with extra-strength stickum. You can
get several models with USB connections for PCs or there's a computer-
only version.

Computer printer labels, like come in sheets, have two versions, one
with removable adhesive, one that's more or less permanent. Had some
of the permanent sort on some computer tapes, the paper peeled off
after many years, the adhesive stayed put as a rock-hard layer. And
none of them are improved by age. Had a box of labels from the back of
the warehouse, when opened, the labels just fell off the backing. No
stick left to the adhesive.

There might be some mold release left on the plastic, too. A lot of
it is silicone and it's a bear to remove. Might have to sand to get
down to clean plastic.

Stan

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 4:30 pm
From: Monkey Butler

On Mar 20, 6:09 pm, John <johnmand...@freenetname.co.uk> wrote:
> On 20 Mar, 17:14, "Stu Fields" <e...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a number of plastic parts bins purchased from Global.  I want to put
> > some adhesive backed computer generated labels on the bins.  The labels peel
> > off after about a week.  Any ideas on what adhesive to use??  I've tried
> > Elmers, hot glue and some acrylic.  None of these seem to work.  Global has
> > said they don't know either>>>
>
> > Stu Fields
>
> Double sided tape and degrease first.
>
> John

Like everyone else says use a degreaser to get any mold release off
but you might also follow this tip. You know the red Loctite bottles?
They seem like a similar material to plastic bins. In order to get the
white printing to stick the factory passes the surface over a flame
before printing. Not so much to melt the surface but apparently it
causes some sort of chemical reaction that makes the surface more
receptive to coating.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 4:50 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 20, 7:30 pm, Monkey Butler <x...@monkeybutler.com> wrote:
> You know the red Loctite bottles?
> They seem like a similar material to plastic bins. In order to get the
> white printing to stick the factory passes the surface over a flame
> before printing. Not so much to melt the surface but apparently it
> causes some sort of chemical reaction that makes the surface more
> receptive to coating.

or you can use a neon sign transformer to generate plasma and use the
plasma to treat the surface. IIRC a flame or plasma will oxidize the
surface. Not necessary except on plastics as poly and teflon.

Dan

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TOPIC: Speaking of aluminum cylinder bores...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:16 pm
From: dbr@kbrx.com

I was thinking of a dry bearing surface for carriers moving rapidly but
intermitently. Along the lines of pc board assembley operations but
possibly heavier.

Hul

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TOPIC: Oil filter wrench
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:20 pm
From: John

 On some
> filter makes, those rubber gaskets get vulvanized to both sides, don't
> leak, but just about makes it impossible to remove.
>
> Stan

Do you oil the rubber gasket before you fit the filter? It stops the
gasket sticking to the engine as you describe.
I'm in UK and don't know the engine you're talking about but I've used
one of these for years
http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/drapertools/product.php?product=20945
It's worked every time and is cheap. It would be easy to make if
they're not sold in US.

John

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:48 pm
From: stans4@prolynx.com

On Mar 20, 4:20 pm, John <johnmand...@freenetname.co.uk> wrote:
>  On some
>
> > filter makes, those rubber gaskets get vulvanized to both sides, don't
> > leak, but just about makes it impossible to remove.
>
> > Stan
>
> Do you oil the rubber gasket before you fit the filter? It stops the
> gasket sticking to the engine as you describe.
> I'm in UK and don't know the engine you're talking about but I've used
> one of these for yearshttp://www.lawson-his.co.uk/drapertools/product.php?product=20945
> It's worked every time and is cheap. It would be easy to make if
> they're not sold in US.
>
> John

Yeah, they're ALWAYS oiled up when I stick them in, doesn't always do
the trick. Sometimes the gasket sticks to the engine side when the
filter spins off, that's a lot of fun trying to peel off.

Neat wrench, haven't seen anything like that here. Wouldn't help with
some makes, there's about 1/8" clearance around the filter and the
thing is at the bottom of an 8" hole in the works. End-on is about
the only access. My dad's old Buick was that way. The common item
sold for the purpose resembles a plastic jar lid with a dozen or so
flutes that engages the end of the filter. Has a 3/8" drive socket in
the center. Doesn't always work, though.

Stan

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TOPIC: Wingers keep lying !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3e88a3bd89afa214?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 1:35 pm
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

On 3/20/2010 2:32 PM, Cliff wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:36:32 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
> <Then-Fire-A-Full-Spred-Of-Photon-Torpedoes@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>
>> You are launched through the windshield because you were wearing no seat
>> belt, it happens because you chose to wear or not wear the things that
>> could in bad situation save you from some harm, you chose to ride rather
>> than walk, I don't lay blame.... but you should except responsibility
>> for your actions.
>
> This adds to all our insurance & medical costs.

NO, I'm fine with all my medical and insurance, no added costs.....

They might lay in a hospital intensive care at age 86 and cost more so
death now is minor. Besides insurance is for the other guy in car
accidents, not for me, if it gets too expensive I quit driving.

--

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:40 pm
From: pandora

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:20:01 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

> On 3/19/2010 7:02 PM, Aratzio wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:42:09 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> Zombywoof <fishwings@live.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>> Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats.
>>>>> Did you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>>
>>>>> RogerN
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>> accountable?
>>>>
>>> I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
>>> lie then the teller.
>>
>> So you believe the victim is at fault.
>>
>> I suppose women that get raped should have stayed home?
>>
>> Fuck you are stupid.
>>
> Police will tell you to turn your lights on so the criminals will go
> down the street and rob someone else with no lights on....
>
>
> Is it your fault that the person down the street was robbed or their own
> fault for not turning on their light?

Neither. It is the fault of the robber who robbed the house.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:51 pm
From: pandora

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:23:19 -0700, Aratzio wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:15:12 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
> Zombywoof <fishwings@live.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:02:39 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:42:09 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>Zombywoof <fishwings@live.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats.
>>>>>> Did you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>RogerN
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>>>civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>>>accountable?
>>>>>
>>>>I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
>>>>lie then the teller.
>>>
>>>So you believe the victim is at fault.
>>>
>>>I suppose women that get raped should have stayed home?
>>>
>>>Fuck you are stupid.
>>>
>>And you're the rocket scientist who compared believing a lie to a
>>violent crime -- BFD.
>
> No, you fucking idiot. I compared where you blame the victims.
>
> Fuck you are stupid and cowardly.

Besides, the *lie* led to violent crime; the deaths of innocent
individuals.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 4:03 pm
From: Kadaitcha Man

"Beam Me Up Scotty", thou reeky infected mind. How now, Mephostophilus.
Ye yielded:

> if it gets too expensive I quit driving.

That explains your lack of a thinking brain.

--
I have defined no god. And when I do need to define some god for the
purposes of discussing its nature with atheists I always define the
supposed some god in the very same concrete and arbitrary terms, without
variation:

God = Metaphysical X

Watching you idiot atheists witlessly pinning your own lunatic
assumptions and irrational perceptions onto it then attempting to argue
against your very own deranged Frankenstein-like creation with utterly
b0rked illogic is a never-ending source of great hilarity.

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TOPIC: Bigger shaft (tap and die guide for tailstock)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:43 pm
From: "Denis G."

On Mar 20, 3:46 pm, whit3rd <whit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 20, 10:00 am, "Denis G." <guill...@gis.net> wrote:
>
> > > > This doesn't answer your questions, but you might find this old
> > > > Popular Mechanics article useful to you:
> > I saw that.  I loved reading those magazines when I was growing up.
> > There used to be a cartoon with a character that solved problems
> > around the house.  He would scratch his head and come up with a clever
> > solution after a cloud with light bulb appeared over his head.
>
> Wordless Workshop (by Roy Doty (?))

Thanks! That was driving me crazy trying to remember the name of that
strip. I now see that it was a feature in Popular Science not Popular
Mechanics.

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TOPIC: OT What's your take? OT
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 4:44 pm
From: Wes

"dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> wrote:

>I thought that changing the rules of the House required a super
>majority.

IIRC, the current House rules committe has a 2xD+1 to 1xR ratio favoring the majority
party and voting on anything brought to the floor is a simple majority.

Wes

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TOPIC: 6 quarts of oil instead of 5, in my pickup
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:51 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:39:33 GMT, Yooper <thumper93@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:57:38 -0400, clare wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:08:28 GMT, Yooper <thumper93@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:46:41 -0500, Ignoramus4239 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2010-03-19, Steve W. <csr684@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Ignoramus4239 wrote:
>>>>>> On 2010-03-19, Steve W. <csr684@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ignoramus4239 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sorry, I meant 6 liter V8.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That's odd. I believe we have the same model truck (6.0 Liter)
>>>and mine definitely takes 6 quarts with filter. Just looked in my owners
>>>manual.
>> 4 .5 Canadian quarts., 5.11 liters, or 5.4 US Quarts.
>
>
> I don't know where you are getting 5.4 quarts, Clare. My owners manual
>is right in front of me.
Not sure of the capacity on the 6.0, but a very common capacity on
north american engines . a canadian gallon is hald a quart low - 5
liters just about bang on, and that is virtually 5 1/5 US quarts.

That said, my Mystique (v6) holds over 6 Canadian quarts with the
filter.

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Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 5:18 pm
From: Wes

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>WHOOPS!!
>
>That was supposed to be e-mail. 'Sorry.

Thats what you get for using Lookout for a usenet reader ;)

Wes

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 4:36 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:oIcpn.68165$Bs1.7692@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>WHOOPS!!
>>
>>That was supposed to be e-mail. 'Sorry.
>
> Thats what you get for using Lookout for a usenet reader ;)
>
> Wes

That's what I get for screwing up the first send and then cutting and
pasting into a blank page. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: The Militant Ignoranti
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9f00b27969b00d1e?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 4:36 pm
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:14:49 -0500, "Pong Lrick" <ping@pong.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>news:a7qsp5tlpc157ms79v5ijgq4b772j2mntb@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:51:00 -0500, Richard J Kinch <kinch@truetex.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Cliff writes:
>>>
>>>> ... flunkies for the Discovery Institute ...
>>>
>>>Say, that would be me! Page 12 here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=619
>>
>> ??
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Richard J. Kinch, Ph.D. Electrical Engineering and Computer Science (Cornell
>University);

I guess he does not know Cobb County, GA.
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Cliff

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TOPIC: Metric brass flats?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/76458a620bc87743?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 4:42 pm
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 20, 3:28 pm, Louis Ohland <ohl...@charter.net> wrote:
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>
> Yup. Another RFQ. I want perhaps a meter of 8mm square stock.

Is 5/16" close enough?

jsw

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 5:59 pm
From: Wes

Jim Wilkins <kb1dal@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 20, 3:28 pm, Louis Ohland <ohl...@charter.net> wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> Yup. Another RFQ. I want perhaps a meter of 8mm square stock.
>
>Is 5/16" close enough?
>
>jsw

And for that, 8951K23 at mcmaster is 22.68 for 6 feet.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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