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TOPIC: FS -- 275 amp Pipeline Welder, Continental 163 engine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/dc43134cee7f371e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 7 2010 11:40 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:33:14 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
<bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:51:58 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:16:28 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
>><bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> If you need confirmation that the Liberty Ships carried them, my
>>>B-I-L is a Lane Victory crewman. I'll bet they have reference
>>>materials that can either confirm or eliminate it.
>>>
>>> "Hobart Brothers" is a huge clue. Chrysler six? They used them on
>>>all the Searchlight generators.
>>>
>>> (Welcome home, and please ease up on the trolls. Other than them
>>>railing on about you "running away", it's been quiet. QuietER...)
>>
>>Ask him if you think about it.
>>
>>Here are the pics
>>
>>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HobartGasolineWelder#
>
> I'll forward this to him.
>
> I know you know better ;-P but... You are supposed to either
>crank the tongue jack all the way up or remove the jammed jack
>*before* going over dips and in and out of driveways. It's supposed
>to be vertical.

Actually..it was that way when I hooked on to it. Shrug...it appears to
be jammed for some reason...lol and the previous owner bent it. Sheared
off one of the bolt heads actually. But..it doesnt drag on anything.
>
> And get a hitch receiver with some more Rise to it - that's half the
>battle with the tongue jack, that little truck has the hitch mounted
>way low, the trailer frame should be riding more or less level. With
>the tongue low the tongue weight will be too high.
>
> My Van is about the same - I had to buy a Class III/V 6" Rise
>receiver to make a two-axle hydraulic trailer ride level - from the
>rental yard. ($$) Wouldn't let me out with the 3" rise I normally
>carry.

Ive got a 6" rise. Unfortunately..its in my van in Ontario.

Btw..Im trying to find a place to put a 20' travel trailer and live in
it during stretches of time. Some place really really cheap, or
someplace I can take machine repair etc in lue of rent. Know of any
plce in So. Cal..let me know. Ive got to move it by next Friday. After
that..Ill be sleeping in my truck if I cant find a place..preferably
inside a yard somewhere. 110 power would be nice..shrug..but not an
actual requirement. Ive got lanterns...shrug again.
>

> That pink epoxy stuff is worrying - If you are keeping it, now's the
>time to find a good block while you can wait for the right price.
>
> I love the open-frame Pick And Hold throttle solenoid...
>
> For 12V generators and old Autolite starters, repeat after me:
>Mission Auto Electric, 13472 Van Nuys Bl, Pacoima. 818 896-7736. They
>still fix em.
>
>--<< Bruce >>--

Noted and saved!!!

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: FS: RV-8 airplane
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/39712807565a6d80?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 12:29 am
From: "kfvorwerk@gmail.com"

On Mar 7, 6:02 am, "Karl Townsend" <karltownsend....@embarqmail.com>
wrote:
> Sadly, my father is putting up for sale the project of his life. Its an RV-8
> homebuilt airplane. About fifteen years ago, I visited my dad and seen a
> pile of AL sheeting and extruded AL support stock for ribs etc. I spent two
> days with him fabricating one side of the vertical fin on the tail. I
> thought, "there ain't no way". Well, only 6000 logged hours of work later,
> it flew. He went on to outfit it with every conceivable electronic
> navigation device for full IFR rating.
>
> Here's a couples links. Kinda shows what's involved.http://www.rv8.ch/http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-8int.htm
>
> If you're in the market for a meticulously home built aircraft, this is one
> hell-of-a deal. Here's the specs:
>
> 710- CT ASKING
> PRICE---$90,000
>
> SPECIAL AIRWOTTHINESS CERTIFICATE ------------ 09/ 13/ 00
> LYCOMING ENGINE- 0-360 A1A 180 HP. ENGINE HAS 500 HOURS AS OF 2/22/10
>
> 414 HRS. INSTALLED UNISON SLICK AIRCRAFT MAGS.
>
> OIL AND FILTER HAS BEEN CHANGED EACH 25 HRS. WITH PHILLIPS 20 W-50 OIL AND
> 12 OZ. AV BLEND
>
> PLANE HAS NEAR NEW MICHELIN TIRES
>
> I CRUISE AT 150 KNTS
>
> HOSES
>
> NEW FLEXIBLE IN 2009
>
> OIL, GASOLINE, INSTRUMENT LINES
>
> OIL COOLER, FUEL PUMP, AND CARBURATOR
>
> RADIOS
> GMA 340 AUDIO PANEL
>
> GNS 430 GPS
>
> GTX 327 TRANSPONDER
>
> MX 20 MFD
>
> GI 106 NAV. INDICATOR
>
> ALTITUDE HOLD AUTO PILOT
>
> CARUS 3000 V. STERILIZER
>
> STEC C 1261-17-14 PITCH COMPUTER
>
> STEC 0107-5 PS PITCH SERVO
>
> STEC 0111 TRANSDUCER
>
> GARMIN 3-4-56 GPS ANTENNA
>
> CI-122 COMM. ANTENNA
>
> IMC INSTRUMENTS
>
> 3 1/8" ATTITUDE INDICATOR / ELECTRIC
>
> 3 1/8" GYRO COMPASS/ ELECTRIC
>
> 3 1/8" TURN AND BANK INDICATOR / ELECTRIC
>
> 2 ¼" VERTICAL SPEED INDICATOR
>
> SENSENICH AIRCRAFT PROPELLER
>
> PROPELLER MODEL- 72M859-1-83
>
> PROPELLER SERIAL NUMBER - 32942
>
> Pics can be emailed if you're interested.
>
> Karl

You should put up in: rec.aviation.homebuilt
That's sad.
Karl

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TOPIC: Road trains
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e24c523500e054da?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 12:33 am
From: David Lesher

kemad@ozemail.com.au writes:

>G'day,

> I posted a few photos of cattle road trains in the
>Northern Territory to the drop box (thanks Jeff). I think I did it ok
>but first time I have posted photos.

Has the rail link reduced the number of such on the Stuart
Highway?

--
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& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 1:22 am
From: "Jeff R."

<kemad@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:mm99p5pfgtd6qeapmevcsm0v0fqifd9tpi@4ax.com...
> G'day,
>
> I posted a few photos of cattle road trains in the
> Northern Territory to the drop box (thanks Jeff). I think I did it ok
> but first time I have posted photos.
>
> Long time lurker.
>
> Regards.
>
> Mac

Just one improvement:

Can you post a link to the explanatory txt file, and to the pix themselves?

Save us the inconvenience of searching for them...

--
Jeff R.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 5:21 am
From: "Royston Vasey"

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/RoadTrains.txt

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/RoadTrains1.jpg

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/RoadTrains2.jpg

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/RoadTrains3.jpg

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/RoadTrains4.jpg

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 5:42 am
From: "Karl Townsend"

Loading that many cattle would take hours. I'm curious, why doesn't each
truck just leave as its loaded? I don't see an advantage to everyone driving
so close together. All but the front truck has a terrible view and eats
dust. <If you aren't the lead dog, the view never changes>

Karl

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TOPIC: Statistics for week ending 20100308
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/32149af48977d0d9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 1:40 am
From: news@wess.mdns.org (Statistics)

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2: Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives............................ : 79
3: On Topic- Lets get rid of Cliff................................ : 73
4: Alternatives to LPS-2.......................................... : 58
5: Suspend those pesky physics laws!.............................. : 54
6: Hobart Gasoline Welder......................................... : 53
7: I was almost impounded, laptop saved me........................ : 51
8: OT Its getting bloody awful!................................... : 50
9: Bibles Wanted !................................................ : 49
10: Docs to Chimpbama: You drink too much!......................... : 48
11: OT - The Supremes To Decide On A Gun Issue..................... : 42
12: What is it? Set 326............................................ : 38
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14: building jeep frame............................................ : 28
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16: Plugging up cap screw holes for painting....................... : 25
17: Second try.. Left handed Cobalt or Carbide Drill supplier?..... : 23
18: FS -- 275 amp Pipeline Welder, Continental 163 engine.......... : 21
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3: On Topic- Lets get rid of Cliff................................ : 176
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14: FS -- 275 amp Pipeline Welder, Continental 163 engine.......... : 75
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16: Congressional estimates show grim deficit picture.............. : 72
17: What is it? Set 326............................................ : 67
18: Second try.. Left handed Cobalt or Carbide Drill supplier?..... : 62
19: Feb Factory Growth Holds At 15 - Year High..................... : 61
20: January........................................................ : 59

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2. Occam's Razor <blackhole@Talk-N-Dog.com> 5 95.69%
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3. Ed Huntress <huntres23@optonline.net> 213 515178 64.2%
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2. Al Gore takes aim 117 139337
3. CNC Bridgeport with Heidenhein control 115 185817
4. Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives 111 249301
5. Palin?s Unfavorability Ratings At All-Time High 97 215837
6. Does the police hassle drivers for driving below speed li 92 91801
7. FS -- 275 amp Pipeline Welder, Continental 163 engine 89 124677
8. Obama's Healthplan proposal 77 152913
9. OT: Guns Save Lives -- Again! 76 147326
10. Why have the Democrats suddenly hallted work on Solving t 74 173540
11. On Topic- Lets get rid of Cliff 73 74852
12. O.T. Toyota accelerator pics and explanations 72 102001
13. Socket on a stick 69 57958
14. Gun nuts need psych tests, at least "obsessed" 0bama love 68 106130
15. Why have the Democrats suddenly hallted work on Solving t 61 100365

A total of 613 subjects were identified.

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Toplist of programs

Place Program Msgs
1. Forte Agent 1307
2. Microsoft Outlook Express 1134
3. G2 837
4. Forte Free Agent 586
5. Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 546
6. Mozilla 471
7. slrn 415
8. Xnews 365
9. Microsoft Windows Live Mail 323
10. Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English 181
11. MT-NewsWatcher 167
12. Microsoft Windows Mail 135
13. Pan 126
14. Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 86
15. MicroPlanet-Gravity 43

A total of 38 different programs (not counting different versions) were
identified.

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TOPIC: Just thought Id pass along some memories
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 3:46 am
From: Gunner Asch

http://www.metalworking.com/RCM-gallery/files/Bastow,Robert/

Gunner

"I believe that being despised by the despicable
is as good as being admired by the admirable."

From long experience myself, I can only say, "You betcha."

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TOPIC: DIY Two-Stroke Engine
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 4:54 am
From: cavelamb

Nigel Eaton wrote:
> In article
> <9446d3d2-3e78-45fc-8ba7-0bfbe8d68b78@19g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
> bizguy <bizologist@clear.lakes.com> writes
>> You could look at outboard motors as a starting point. In the past I
>> read of someone using a Mercury to get 100 hp in an aircraft.
>
> That seems unlikely, to be honest. I've never met an outboard that
> wasn't cooled by pumped water.
>

I had a really nice 5 HP Briggs and Stratton outboard on my previous
sailboat. It was air cooled. But it was the exception that proved
the rule...

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/03/r/columns/cupp/06/index.htm
--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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TOPIC: This is not true!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/eb9480079574780f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 4:59 am
From: "Fred B. Brown"

"Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5lt7p5ps4asu9pvga69414qp65bmas5c94@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:49:45 -0500, Cliff
> <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100306/ap_on_re/us_rel_home_school_evolution
>> "Top home-school texts dismiss Darwin, evolution"
>
> Sure is. Just talk to any of the home school kids. They are, for the
> most part social inept when they are out of their christian element

We've noticed that about you.

>>LOUISVILLE, Ky. - Home-school mom Susan Mule wishes she hadn't taken a
>>friend's
>>advice and tried a textbook from a popular Christian publisher for her
>>10-year-old's biology lessons.
>>
>>Mule's precocious daughter Elizabeth excels at science and has been
>>studying
>>tarantulas since she was 5. But she watched Elizabeth's excitement turn to
>>confusion when they reached the evolution section of the book from
>>Apologia
>>Educational Ministries, which disputed Charles Darwin's theory.
>>
>>"I thought she was going to have a coronary," Mule said of her daughter,
>>who is
>>now 16 and taking college
>>courses in Houston. "She's like, 'This is not true!'"
>>
>>Christian-based materials dominate a growing home-school education market
>>that
>>encompasses more than 1.5 million students in the U.S. And for most
>>home-school
>>parents, a Bible-based version of the Earth's creation is exactly what
>>they
>>want. Federal statistics from 2007 show 83 percent of home-schooling
>>parents
>>want to give their children "religious or moral instruction."
>>
>>"The majority of home-schoolers self-identify as evangelical Christians,"
>>said
>>Ian Slatter, a spokesman for the Home School Legal Defense Association.
>>"Most
>>home-schoolers will definitely have a sort of creationist component to
>>their
>>home-school program."
>>
>>Those who don't, however, often feel isolated and frustrated from trying
>>to find
>>a textbook that fits their beliefs.
>>
>>Two of the best-selling biology textbooks stack the deck against
>>evolution, said
>>some science educators who reviewed sections of the books at the request
>>of The
>>Associated Press.
>>
>>"I feel fairly strongly about this. These books are promulgating lies to
>>kids,"
>>said Jerry Coyne, an ecology and evolution professor at the University of
>>Chicago.
>>
>>The textbook publishers defend their books as well-rounded lessons on
>>evolution
>>and its shortcomings. One of the books doesn't attempt to mask disdain for
>>Darwin and evolutionary science.
>>
>>"Those who do not believe that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of
>>God
>>will find many points in this book puzzling," says the introduction to
>>"Biology:
>>Third Edition" from Bob Jones University Press. "This book was not written
>>for
>>them."
>>
>>The textbook delivers a religious ultimatum to young readers and parents,
>>warning in its "History of Life" chapter that a "Christian worldview ...
>>is the
>>only correct view of reality; anyone who rejects it will not only fail to
>>reach
>>heaven but also fail to see the world as it truly is."
>>....
>>The size of the business of home-school texts isn't clear because the
>>textbook
>>industry is fragmented and privately held publishers don't give out sales
>>numbers. Slatter said home-school material sales reach about $1 billion
>>annually
>>in the U.S.
>>
>>Publishers are well aware of the market, said Jay Wile, a former chemistry
>>professor in Indianapolis who helped launch the Apologia curriculum in the
>>early
>>1990s.
>>
>>"If I'm planning to write a curriculum, and I want to write it in a way
>>that
>>will appeal to home-schoolers, I'm going to at least find out what my
>>demographic is," Wile said.
>>....
>>Apologia and Bob Jones University Press say their science books sell well.
>>Apologia's "Exploring Creation" biology textbook retails for $65, while
>>Bob
>>Jones' "Biology" Third Edition lists at $52.
>>Coyne and Virginia Tech biology professor Duncan Porter reviewed excerpts
>>from
>>the Apologia and Bob Jones biology textbooks, which are equivalent to
>>ninth- and
>>10th-grade biology lessons. Porter said he would give the books an F.
>>
>>"If this is the way kids are home-schooled then they're being
>>shortchanged, both
>>rationally and in terms of biology," Coyne said. He argued that the books
>>may
>>steer students away from careers in biology or the study of the history of
>>the
>>earth.
>>....
>>]

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 5:00 am
From: cavelamb

RoyJ wrote:
> Not really. Under full load, a typical RCM motor will pull 1500 watts
> +/- But the only motors that pull that kind of power CONTINUOUSLY are
> pumps and compressors. Table saw, drill press, mill, etc etc draw a lot
> of power but the high loads are short and the use is intermittent.
>
> In contrast, an electric dryer would pull 5kw for the entire dry cycle
> and an A/c unit a similar amount for all the time the compressor is
> running.
>

Makes me wonder if the meter software isn't looking at the inrush current
and not sampling again for 5 minutes (or until the next edge?)

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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TOPIC: I was almost impounded, laptop saved me
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/22b99ed7799b84db?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 5:16 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I did spend the 45 minutes to watch the video. Looks
reasonable, to me. Of course, we could back up a couple
steps and remind these folks that if they were strictly
legal, they wouldn't have many of these problems. Don't use
street drugs, and don't have loud parties.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

This is a good video on the subject. A must see for every
citizen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

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TOPIC: Recent metalworking projects
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/141d8b1977e06268?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 5:18 am
From: cavelamb

Drilled two holes - in aluminum - tapped and installed two screws.
But it was a lot more challenging than it sounds here...

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~capri26/#masthead

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 6:14 am
From: "Phil Kangas"

"DoN. Nichols" <> wrote in message
> On 2010-03-07, Phil Kangas <> wrote:
>>
>> "Winston" <> wrote in message
>>> On 3/7/2010 2:06 PM, Phil Kangas wrote:
>>>> What were 'your' recent metalworking projects?
>>>> Wes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just posted to the dropbox a set of files named
>>>> Chain_Wheel
>>>
>>> These?
>>>
>>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Chain_Wheel_1.jpg
>>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Chain_Wheel_2.jpg
>>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Chain_Wheel_3.jpg
>>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Chain_Wheel_4.jpg
>>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Chain_Wheel_5.jpg
>>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Chain_Wheel_6.jpg
>>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Chain_Wheel_7.jpg
>>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Chain_Wheel_8.jpg
>>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Chain_Wheel_9.jpg
>>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Chain_Wheel_10.jpg
>>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Chain_Wheel_11.jpg
>>>
>>> Kewl!
>>>
>>> --Winston
>>
>> Yup, that's them! For some reason they are not listed in
>> order
>> there.
>
> That's because of the file name format. They are
> displayed in
> *alphabetical* order, not numerical order. If you wanted
> them to sort
> properly, you need the same number of digits in each name,
> so the first
> nine would look like this:
>
> Chain_Wheel_01.jpg
> Chain_Wheel_02.jpg
> Chain_Wheel_03.jpg
> Chain_Wheel_04.jpg
> Chain_Wheel_05.jpg
> Chain_Wheel_06.jpg
> Chain_Wheel_07.jpg
> Chain_Wheel_08.jpg
> Chain_Wheel_09.jpg
>
> then they would sort before the last two.
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.

Ahh, now I 'get it' !! Always something new to learn, eih?
phil

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 6:35 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:23:52 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:06:34 -0800, Larry Jaques
><ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:00:38 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
>><gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>>>http://store.huot-store.com/tool-storage/category/dtri-tapd.html
>>
>>Strange, the NC and NF sets are $12 and $13 each, totaling $25 with
>>two cases, while the exact same 2 sets in -one- box cost $44.80.
>>Even with the metric set thrown in, it's $5 higher than their separate
>>costs.
>>
>
>They also are big enough to hold the drill bits as well.

The way I read the site: They sell small kits contain one case, 9
drill bits, and 9 taps. The large kit has 18 bits, 18 taps, and one
case.

I'm wondering why there is a nearly $20 difference in price.

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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 6:39 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 22:33:32 -0800, the infamous "Steve B"
<deserttraver@fishymail.net> scrawled the following:

>Just small stuff until I can lift anything. Putting up pegs and shelves in
>my container and shop house to get stuff off the floor. Brought back a 3/4
>ton pickup of ebay stuff from Vegas yesterday. Will liquidate that to get
>blogging money. Got some stuff on the list, but time, money, weather, and
>health can't seem to occur on the same day.

Health is the largest setback of all those. Without it, none of the
other things matter much. Condolences.

"Blogging money"?

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TOPIC: My recent fights with loctite.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 5:36 am
From: Randy

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:01:40 -0500, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:

>Earlier this week I had to get a cam follower out of a machine. The follower was sticking
>at times causing the machine that rotates a part and inserts a stud to fail on the last
>hole.
>
>The sticking and failing on the last hole was a matter of geometry and physics. Sure
>drove me nuts for a while. Can't go into since it is a manufacturing process.
>
>Anyway, I needed to get this McGee cam follower out. It had a screwdriver slot but I
>couldn't unscrew it.

When buying cam followers ALWAYS add a B to the end of the part
number, this is B for Broached, as in a broached hex hole for an
"allen" wrench. Much betttrer than that shitty screwdriver slot.

Thank You,
Randy

Remove 333 from email address to reply.

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TOPIC: Alternatives to LPS-2
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 5:46 am
From: Joseph Gwinn

In article <npu8p5dv7huv8irdig330dfguqns8rdr7k@4ax.com>,
Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:59:57 -0500, the infamous Joseph Gwinn
> <joegwinn@comcast.net> scrawled the following:
>
> >In article <bu98p59rs7oa1i8f82r40qk0dtiikb67gs@4ax.com>,
> > Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> No it doesn't. I had a single drop of it in my kitchen and it stunk
> >> for months, until I'd PineSol the shit out of it. It's horrible.
> >
> >That is not my experience. Perhaps brands differ?
>
> Very possibly, as do our individual sniffers.

Where was the drop? If not on metal, yes the smell lingers. I am very
fastidious when carrying and applying the hypoid oil.

> >> I still prefer my moly grease, which doesn't go anywhere and doesn't
> >> have much of a scent at all, even right out of the can.
> >
> >I have tried various kinds of grease. The problem with grease is that it is
> >soon pushed and/or scraped out of the critical area, whereas heavy oil will
> >creep back into that same critical area, time after time. Until the oil
> >dries
> >out.
>
> My experience has it running out the bottom and not creeping back.
> YMMV.

I used to put a lot of oil in the hinge and let it drain, but now I put a
thinish layer on the pin. Enough oil stays in the hinge that I don't need to
reapply for some years.

Some kinds of grease also slowly drool oil, and these kinds of grease could work
on a hinge.

The advantage of hypoid oil is that it is designed to handle sliding
metal-to-metal contact, and has the additives to prove it.

There must be a way to use STP here.

Joe Gwinn

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 6:25 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:46:59 -0500, the infamous Joseph Gwinn
<joegwinn@comcast.net> scrawled the following:

>In article <npu8p5dv7huv8irdig330dfguqns8rdr7k@4ax.com>,
> Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>> Very possibly, as do our individual sniffers.
>
>Where was the drop? If not on metal, yes the smell lingers. I am very
>fastidious when carrying and applying the hypoid oil.

In a crack on the 30 y/o asphalt kitchen linoleum tiles. I think that
drip was the reason I went to Future acrylic floor "wax", and I've
used the wonderful stuff ever since.

>> My experience has it running out the bottom and not creeping back.
>> YMMV.
>
>I used to put a lot of oil in the hinge and let it drain, but now I put a
>thinish layer on the pin. Enough oil stays in the hinge that I don't need to
>reapply for some years.

My latest test has lasted 8 years without needing reapplication. I did
the doors when I moved in and none of them squeaks or catches in the
slightest yet. No fuss, no muss, no drips, no smell, no maintenance.
Works for me. I think it's StaLube moly wheel bearing grease, and I
haven't had a single callback for a squeak returning yet.

>Some kinds of grease also slowly drool oil, and these kinds of grease could work
>on a hinge.

Yes, probably, and they would cause extra maintenance from drips.

>The advantage of hypoid oil is that it is designed to handle sliding
>metal-to-metal contact, and has the additives to prove it.

Yes, those yummy smelling hypoid additives. Har! Most of my doors are
hollow and don't require much from a grease (surface loading is
guaranteed to be less than that on a differential gear) so I'll
continue to avoid hypoid, thanks. Besides, most squeaking comes not
from the rubbing between the pin and hinge leaf, but from the flaking
rust dropping into the wear areas. Both our lubes should prevent it.

>There must be a way to use STP here.

Oh, you're just a glutton for punishment, aren't you, Joe? <vbg>
Why don't we teflon-treat our door pins? "Folks, for only $499.95, we
can do yer doors. Lifetime guarantee." (We'll be out of bidness long
before that.) Or what about ball bearing hinges? That's the ticket!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 5:51 am
From: Joseph Gwinn

In article <ps2dnZyD0OKQCgnWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Ignoramus10008 <ignoramus10008@NOSPAM.10008.invalid> wrote:

> If you recall my earlier post, the apron interlock pin was bent in my
> lathe, and after straightening it out, it would not properly engage
> with the lock arm. I thought that maybe I did not do a good job
> straightening it, etc.
>
> Finally I guessed that the root cause of it was 1) bending of the pin
> by some unthinking user when it was intelocked and 2) the cam on the
> half nut shaft not being seated where it should be. So the travel
> range of the interlock arm was wrong.
>
> After checking this guess, it turned out to be correct. After turning
> the cam a bit (loosening the setscrew etc) the range of travel of the
> lock arm is now correct, and the interlock system is working. I can
> now see that this pin is very fragile. The bottom line is that I can
> only operate the half nut lever very gently, with my pinky finger, and
> never apply any force to it.

Right. One has to wait for the leadscrew to turn to the correct angle for the
nut to engage. One way to do this is to watch the threading dial and operate
the lever only when the dial says it's time. After a little practice this
become a fluid motion.

Joe Gwinn

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 6:27 am
From: "Dixie Drifter"

Not going in a truck. I'm setting it up in my workshop, I've decided to just
setup a couple deep cycle batteries with a 24 volt forklift charger to run
the inverter.
>"Bruce L. Bergman" <bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail.com> wrote
>
> If you need to use this in a domestic truck (not an Ex-Military that
> came with a 24V electrical system) I hope you have plenty of room
> under the hood for a second alternator...
>
> The easiest way is to rig two 12V Deep Cycle batteries in series in
> the back, hang an independent alternator off the engine somewhere, and
> come up with a serpentine belt that's a just the right value of "just
> a bit longer". After that, all you need is a relay to slave the
> alternator excite line off the 12V Accessory circuit, and a 24V pilot
> light or two for the Alt Fail light.
>
> (Trying for a true "Self Exciting" 24V alternator might be a bit
> much to ask. They barely get it right at 12V for street rods.)
>
> A 24 VDC to 240 VAC 3Ph inverter and battery bank COULD be rigged
> up to recharge (not run) from a 12V alternator, but it will A) put a
> hell of a strain on the regular alternator unless you start stealing
> 300A units from a Class 8 Truck, and B) the wiring of series-parallel
> changeover relays will be complex and error prone if you can't use one
> big honkin' contactor to do it all at once.
>
> If you try doing it with a half dozen starter-style relays (and get
> the ones rated for Continuous Duty!!)... One relay hangs or welds on
> the change-over, and you'd better have everything fused with Mega
> Fuses or big breakers. Cause the fireworks are about to start.
>
> Myself, I'll save the conversion losses and get a 56C frame 12V DC
> motor to run a compressor from, or a direct-drive compressor using the
> same motors - they are easily available 1/4 HP up to 1 HP, but they
> are not cheap.
>
> --<< Bruce >>--

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 6:39 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:21:44 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
puked:

>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:37:28 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:45:12 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>puked:
>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:18:00 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:44:33 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>puked:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:13:08 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:01:50 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:12:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:16:11 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:37:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:55:06 -0500, Cliff
>>>>>>>>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/02/national/main6260070.shtml
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Ya know, as an atheist, I really wonder what this group is thinking
>>>>>>>>>>about. The whole point of being an atheist is distancing yourself
>>>>>>>>>>from a group of sheep that believe the same thing, but these assholes
>>>>>>>>>>seem to be inserting themselves in the community to interfere with
>>>>>>>>>>those sheep.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>They would be the first ones bitching if xtian groups were out there
>>>>>>>>>>condemning atheists and ridiculing their beliefs, yet there they are
>>>>>>>>>>prosthelytizing every bit as much as a fucking Jehovah's Witness
>>>>>>>>>>standing on your porch Saturday morning.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>As I've pointed out atheists are as wrong as theists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In what regard?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Atheism is commonly defined as the position that there are no deities
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You can't prove there is no god anymore than a theist can prove there
>>>>>>>is one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And furthermore, you can't prove one is more wrong than the other.
>>>>>
>>>>>Go back and look at what I said. I said they are both just as wrong as
>>>>>the other.
>>>>
>>>>I saw what you said. I still say you're wrong. It's a logical
>>>>fallacy to claim that's an absolute. If there WERE a god, and that
>>>>god was as described by a set religion, then that religion would be
>>>>LESS wrong than atheism.
>>>
>>>"IF" doesn't cut it. Try again using absolutes.
>>>
>>>>You're clearly agnostic as you believe that neither can ever be proven
>>>>or explained, but your agnostic belief is just as capable of being
>>>>wrong.
>>>
>>>And wrong again.
>>>>
>>>>And the statement you should have said was:
>>>>
>>>>"Both (atheism) and (christianity) are CAPABLE of being just as wrong
>>>>as the other.
>>>
>>>And wrong again.
>>>>
>>>>For now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>But that being said, stories in the bible can be proven to be false.
>>>>>
>>>>>And some have some historical references that can be proven.
>>>>
>>>>Clearly. I'm referring more to the magical miracle part that makes
>>>>the bible a religious book.
>>>
>>>Nah..makes it a fairy tale.
>>
>>I'm not sure what we are arguing about here. You think that atheism
>>and christianity are equally wrong in what way?
>
>They both claim to have the answer. Neither can prove it.

That isn't true. Atheism isn't believing in god. It has nothing to
do with providing answers. I don't pretend to have the answers
because to be perfectly honest, I don't know what the questions are...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 6:42 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:05:48 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:

>>They would be the first ones bitching if xtian groups were out there
>>condemning atheists and ridiculing their beliefs,
>
> Like they always do, right?

"They"? That's presuming that atheists are a homogenized group that
follow a common belief. Most atheist don't belong to an organized
group and think all of the religious BS is for other people and aren't
particularly fazed by it.

It seems like the people that get upset about the 10 commandments, or
xmas in the mall or whatever actually belong to some type of religion
that takes exception to it.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

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TOPIC: OT: Question about tunnel digging...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1a0f3f28abe4575a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 6:40 am
From: "Chet"

Just finished reading "Conquering Gotham - Building Penn Station and Its
Tunnels"
An excellent read on both construction practices and the incredible
corruption that infiltrated New York politics during the early 1900's.
In the book the author states that engineers began digging the tunnels on
opposite shores to eventually meet in the middle.
And they used a 30 foot tower on one shore as a fixed alignment point.
So exactly how does one use an above ground alignment tower while deep in
the muck under a river?
Amazingly the tunnel sections eventually met with a variance of only
1/8"!!!!!!!

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TOPIC: Hobart Gasoline Welder
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ec8d843faba8846b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 6:45 am
From: "JTMcC"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4B94664F.1C20ADD1@earthlink.net...
>
> JTMcC wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:4B933A0C.7F8B4E6C@earthlink.net...
>> >
>> > JTMcC wrote:
>> >>
>> >> For sure don't just scrap it. Everythings still available for most of
>> >> the
>> >> older industrial engines.
>> >> The problem might be generator parts. A call to the Bakersfield
>> >> Praxair
>> >> welding machine shop will likely tell you what is or isn't available.
>> >> I'm
>> >> sure Wendell is completely retired by now but there are some other
>> >> guys
>> >> in
>> >> there that are very good and very helpful.
>> >
>> >
>> > There may be room for a small one wire alternator in there. You
>> > don't need a big generator for the electrical system. Just enough to
>> > charge the battery and to power the ignition system.
>>
>> The WELDING generator, you DO need that.
>
>
> Did you look at the photos? There are TWO generators. One is for the
> electrical system.

I don't need to look, I know what the machines look like.
You replied to my post about generator parts, welding generator parts
availability with a comment about the engine charging system. Pretty simple
really, I'm talking about the generator. On a welding machine. A really
critical part.

JTMcC.
>
>
> --
> Greed is the root of all eBay.

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