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TOPIC: OT: Patio party lighting
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c614b024aabe62e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 18 2010 11:25 pm
From: "Buerste"

"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
news:9d36q5pef5u6r1u458elkc4h4hhgjdtjo3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:34:43 -0400, "Buerste" <buerste@buerste.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Larry Jaques" <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:5g84q5tpq1r8qt41t9i2slt14es8usipq1@4ax.com...
>><snip>
>>> Are you sitting down? http://www.outdoorlighting.com/
>>> and
>>> http://tinyurl.com/y925ou4
>>> and
>>> http://tinyurl.com/y99bra8 , which seems to be "the one". At $85, it
>>> damned well better be, wot?
>>>
>>> (std disclaimer "googledemall")
>>>
>>>
>>> And there are the ever dear www.malibulights.com, who now sells LED
>>> versions at HD. (That's an overwrought, gawdawful lighting scene on
>>> their home page, innit? Harsh.)
>>>
>>> --
>>> No matter how cynical you are, it is impossible to keep up.
>>> --Lily Tomlin
>>
>>At $300 per fixture, I'll blow my budget pretty fast!
>
> Now you unveil the contraint of budget without quantifying same.
> You are a captain of industry, are you not?
>
> Might you perhaps be trolling?

I didn't have a budget until I saw the top-end outdoor fixtures. At the
other end of the scale is $5.00/dozen Chinese crap. So, now I feel that I
will stay under $300 total. What does "captain of industry" have to do with
anything? And, if I was "trolling", why did you respond?

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TOPIC: Wingers keep lying !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3e88a3bd89afa214?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 12:42 am
From: Zombywoof

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>
>>RogerN
>>
>
>How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>accountable?
>
I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
lie then the teller.
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 12:43 am
From: Zombywoof

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:41:40 -0500, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net>
wrote:

>
>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:p52up5lub9g739itado4vq70ov9lr0t6sb@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>
>>>RogerN
>>>
>>
>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>> accountable?
>>
>
>How many millions of US and foreign babies have been murdered as a right of
>choice is enough that those responsible should be held accountable.
>Pro-Choicers make Hitler look like a saint!
>
When did anyone in the U.S. start murdering "babies"? Shit-canning a
parasitic organism isn't killing a baby.
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 12:45 am
From: Zombywoof

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:41:54 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@HotMail.com>
wrote:

>
>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
>news:ELqdnRarIYVJKQLWnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>
>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:p52up5lub9g739itado4vq70ov9lr0t6sb@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>>>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>
>>>>RogerN
>>>>
>>>
>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>> accountable?
>>>
>>
>> How many millions of US and foreign babies have been murdered as a right
>> of choice is enough that those responsible should be held accountable.
>
>NOne that I know of, since they are not "babies" UNTIL AFTER BIRTH..
>
Mien Gott man you expect logic to work on this particular topic?
>
>> Pro-Choicers make Hitler look like a saint!
>
>And idiots like you make rocks appear as intellient as Einstein.
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 12:49 am
From: Zombywoof

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:02:28 -0500, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net>
wrote:

>
>"SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@HotMail.com> wrote in message
>news:S_adnfTO0bSBfALWnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@bright.net...
>>
>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
>> news:ELqdnRarIYVJKQLWnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>
>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:p52up5lub9g739itado4vq70ov9lr0t6sb@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats.
>>>>>Did
>>>>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>>
>>>>>RogerN
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>> accountable?
>>>>
>>>
>>> How many millions of US and foreign babies have been murdered as a right
>>> of choice is enough that those responsible should be held accountable.
>>
>> NOne that I know of, since they are not "babies" UNTIL AFTER BIRTH..
>
>Hitler also dehuminized the victims he is responsible for killing. After
>birth is just a change of location and that can change what you call it but
>it doesn't change what it actually is.
>
If it is incapable of life sustaining involuntary bodily functions
such as breathing or processing nourishment then it is nothing other
then a parasitic organism reliant on its host for survival.
>
>>> Pro-Choicers make Hitler look like a saint!
>>
>> And idiots like you make rocks appear as intellient as Einstein.
>>
>
>Why is it that liberals care about criminals dying from the death penalty,
>care about the soldiers dying in Iraq (as we all should) but don't give a
>hoot about ripping up an innocent baby fighting for it's life in its mothers
>womb?
>
Perhaps because it isn't. Maybe we should arm all fetuses so they
can fight better.
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 12:53 am
From: Zombywoof

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:10:28 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:

<Snip>

>> Hitler also dehuminized the victims he is responsible for killing.
>> After birth is just a change of location and that can change what you
>> call it but it doesn't change what it actually is.
>
>It's the process of fertilization and coming out of the womb. It is a
>tad more than simply a change of location as it also changes the entity
>to a child and not a parasite (although some parents may disagree with
>that and say that phase lasts for another 18 years), it changes the
>feeding habits of both parent and child and it causes at least one of the
>parents (usually the male) to realize that his dream of running around on
>his Harley is now just a dream again.
>
A dream delayed is not a dream denied.
>
>>>> Pro-Choicers make Hitler look like a saint!
>>>>
>>>
>>> And idiots like you make rocks appear as intellient as Einstein.
>>>
>>
>> Why is it that liberals care about criminals dying from the death
>> penalty, care about the soldiers dying in Iraq (as we all should) but
>> don't give a hoot about ripping up an innocent baby fighting for it's
>> life in its mothers womb?
>
>Why is it that conservatives care so much about the child while its in
>the womb but don't give a rat's ass about its well being after it is
>born?
>
Aww come on they're constantly building new prisons.
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 1:07 am
From: Zombywoof

On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:04:28 -0400, "Ala" <alackrity@comcast.net>
wrote:

<snip>
>
>That's hilarious because there was no birth control that was effective til
>about 1950 at best.
>So there was no moral dilemma to grapple with til then.
>
I'll need to do a little research, but I'm pretty sure reliable
condoms existed quite a bit before the 1950's.
>
>Birth control has nothing to do with theology unless keeping the coffers
>filled can be equated with spirituality. Birth control limits the numbers
>of potential faithful that will contribute to your take. There is no
>percentage is advocating for birth control no matter what religion you are
>an elder in
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 1:11 am
From: Zombywoof

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:01:00 -0500, "§nühw¤£f" <snuhwolf@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the waters
>of pure thought with
>news:vk8tp55p10p353s6b1c0hjllbgtvrjkv05@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:25:43 -0700, Frito Pendejo
>> <frito@pendejo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Cliff wrote:
>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/06/karl.rove.book/?hpt=T2
>>>> ""[D]id Bush lie us into war? Absolutely not," Rove wrote "
>>>> ""Would the Iraq War have occurred without WMD? I doubt it,"
>>>> he wrote.
>>>> "Congress was very unlikely to have supported the use-of-force
>>>> resolution without the threat of WMD."
>>>
>>>A big lie indeed, since all it takes to get Democrats to
>>>rubber-stamp a use-of-force or any other resolution is to attach
>>>it to a trillion dollar spending bill.
>>
>> Find those "WMDs" yet?
>
>Dewd! If they *didnt* lie they would'nt be wingnuts.
>
What's worse, one liar or the hundreds that believed him, especially
one he wasn't all that creative of a speaker or liar to begin with?
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

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TOPIC: Larios Horizontal mill and shop straightening
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/2abaee7e613ad0f8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 3:14 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:08:40 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
<bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:56:05 -0500, Gerald Miller
><grmiller@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>>It's handy to have rolls of vinyl tape in different colours around.
>
> That only counts when you do the deed, then you tape it up properly
>- but even then it's considered Temporary. You order 10-4 SO cable
>and the proper 4-pin Twistlock cord caps and receptacles for each
>tool, so it has a real ground connection.
>
> If I ran around taping up every cable like that when I was at a
>customer's for a repair job, I could easily waste days at it.
>
> And they usually don't want to pay for it either, amazing how many
>foolish people have the reins of the checkbook. I sometimes toss the
>tape job in for free when I touch the tool under the "it's the right
>thing to do, and nobody else is gonna do it" doctrine.
>
> Besides, if it goes chassis hot I might be the first one to touch it
>accidentally. And trust me, that is never a fun feeling.
>
> --<< Bruce >>--

I was down in a shop in Tustin a few years back, checking out a Smith
Lehman lathe...8" spindle bore. I was laying on my back on a concrete
floor, meter in hand checking something, and reached up and grabbed the
machine to pull myself up..and ZAPPPPPP!

There I was, doing a pretty good imitation of a marlin on 200 lb test
and one of the guys came over and kicked my arm hard enough to break my
grip.

The owner came running over about the same time, busted into a hard
sweat.

After laying there a minute or two, getting the ol heart beat back to
somewhere close to normal...I told him it really needed a decent ground,
after I found out where the short to machine was, and that plastic
really didnt make good machine feet insulators if he didnt have a good
ground. I killed power, found the problem, repaired it, installed a
good ground (he was using 3 wire instead of 4 wire) and installed a new
cable up to the disconnect on the wall. And a good ground.

One of the operators commented...."ya know...I tot I vas feeling a
little tingle ven I cranked da levers..but only ven I vor my going home
shoes (leather soles)"

Crom but I hate cheap bastards.

Gunner

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TOPIC: What is it? Set 328
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e57e89c6bd2db660?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 3:15 am
From: "Rob H."

"Steve W." <csr684@NOTyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hnv1nd$ds3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> Rob H. wrote:
>>> 1879 - Looks like the pin from some types of racking. I have also seen
>>> something similar on sprinklers.
>>
>>
>> No correct answers for this one yet, these things are for use in a
>> particular sport.
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> Empty chamber flag?

Nope, that's not it.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 4:00 am
From: "Rob H."

> If you would like a picture of a complete 1882 let me know. Have a few
> at the station. Even have some of the cast iron ones like the one you
> show.
> http://www.cascadefire.com/images/50310.jpg
>
> http://www.edarley.com/cat_img/M684_800.jpg
> Is an updated version.
>
> --
> Steve W.

Excellent, I'll pass these links on to the owner of it and will also use
them on the answer page.

Rob

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 4:29 am
From: "Steve W."

Rob H. wrote:
>
>> If you would like a picture of a complete 1882 let me know. Have a few
>> at the station. Even have some of the cast iron ones like the one you
>> show.
>> http://www.cascadefire.com/images/50310.jpg
>>
>> http://www.edarley.com/cat_img/M684_800.jpg
>> Is an updated version.
>>
>> --
>> Steve W.
>
>
> Excellent, I'll pass these links on to the owner of it and will also use
> them on the answer page.
>
>
> Rob

I noticed you said they found it in a field? Sort of a strange place to
find that, but they have been around a long time. Maybe a grass fire or
a house on the land years ago.

--
Steve W.

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TOPIC: Al Gore takes aim
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 3:26 am
From: Gunner Asch

On 14 Mar 2010 05:29:18 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:

>olution-status-fcsts-web.pdf

Looks like 1998 was the hot year and its been getting cooler ever since.

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TOPIC: Oil filter wrench
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60ec5e63639fffb7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 3:37 am
From: Joe Pfeiffer

"Steve B" <newid@nowhere.com> writes:

> I just changed oil on my 2006 Dodge Ram 2500 with the Cummins. Some genius
> engineer put the oil filter in a nearly inaccessible place. I took my
> regular oil filter wrench, cut the handle off it, and welded two old sockets
> on the stub so I could slip it up in there and get the thing off and back
> on. Barely enough room at that.
>
> Is a wrench made that sockets up from the center, and upon turning,
> constricts? I have one that is 16 sided or something like that, but not all
> filters are hex shaped. And the ones that are don't always spin off with
> that flimsy little plastic goober.
>
> Anyone know of a good filter wrench configured like that?

I got one just like you're describing at Sears, years ago. Also ought
to be able to get one at NAPA.
--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 5:26 am
From: Dave__67

On Mar 19, 6:37 am, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> "Steve B" <ne...@nowhere.com> writes:
> > I just changed oil on my 2006 Dodge Ram 2500 with the Cummins. Some genius
> > engineer put the oil filter in a nearly inaccessible place. I took my
> > regular oil filter wrench, cut the handle off it, and welded two old sockets
> > on the stub so I could slip it up in there and get the thing off and back
> > on. Barely enough room at that.
>
> > Is a wrench made that sockets up from the center, and upon turning,
> > constricts? I have one that is 16 sided or something like that, but not all
> > filters are hex shaped. And the ones that are don't always spin off with
> > that flimsy little plastic goober.
>
> > Anyone know of a good filter wrench configured like that?
>
> I got one just like you're describing at Sears, years ago. Also ought
> to be able to get one at NAPA.
> --
> As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
> be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
> and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)

That is a truly minimized design- gear and finger from the same piece
of round stock.

Dave

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TOPIC: FS -- 275 amp Pipeline Welder, Continental 163 engine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/dc43134cee7f371e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 3:43 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:54:53 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
<bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:40:13 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:33:14 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:51:58 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:16:28 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>
>>> I know you know better ;-P but... You are supposed to either
>>>crank the tongue jack all the way up or remove the jammed jack
>>>*before* going over dips and in and out of driveways. It's supposed
>>>to be vertical.
>>
>>Actually..it was that way when I hooked on to it. Shrug...it appears to
>>be jammed for some reason...lol and the previous owner bent it. Sheared
>>off one of the bolt heads actually. But..it doesnt drag on anything.
>
>Saw that on another post. Now you know how it got that way.
>
>>Btw..Im trying to find a place to put a 20' travel trailer and live in
>>it during stretches of time. Some place really really cheap, or
>>someplace I can take machine repair etc in lue of rent. Know of any
>>plce in So. Cal..let me know. Ive got to move it by next Friday. After
>>that..Ill be sleeping in my truck if I cant find a place..preferably
>>inside a yard somewhere. 110 power would be nice..shrug..but not an
>>actual requirement. Ive got lanterns...shrug again.
>
> I hesitate to say "here" because it's way north of your preferred
>area, and because my brother and his wife (the other Trustees) might
>not be amused, so keep looking on the East Side/Orange Cty - but if
>all else fails, you can get scrubbed up nice and we can ask them...
>
> There is a side yard that's gated off, but it needs cleaning out and
>we'd need to move the 12'X20' "carport" tent frame back, shuffle my
>Stuff a little. (It's a much smaller pile of Stuff.)
>
> Is your Van running, tags, etc. to haul it with?
>
> The Hobart Bros can park in Trailer Row next to my Signal Corps
>PE-95G in the Henry Spen 3/4-Ton Military, the ex-Sailboat Carrier
>flatbed that needs a new bed, and the Coleman Caboose 3X5.
>
>--<< Bruce >>--

Thanks Bruce. Im still looking in OC. The Hobart is up north at my
homestead...along with me. I got home about an hour or so ago at 2am.

The van is now parked in a buddies yard behind his big machine shop, at
least for a month or so. Tags expired while I was in the hospital a year
ago after the stroke..I was messed up mentally after that little medical
experiment and completely forgot I even owned a van, until someone asked
about it..and I said "what van?"..and they reminded me. So now the
tags are 2 yrs out of date. And with the fucking California
penalties..those $208 a year tags plus the $90 smog check...its gonna
stay parked for a while. Might pull out the racking and try to get it
registered as a house car or some such.
Hell of a lot cheaper.

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: What is this?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 3:45 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:05:37 -0600, Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net>
wrote:

>On 3/9/2010 23:26, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>> "Gunner Asch"<gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ajc3p5lg8s4f794dirk3ck7ebmk49k1p0b@4ax.com...
>>
>>>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/MakinoMill#
>>>
>
>Nice and clean, but that must have been something to snap off that chunk
>of metal.

It was on a small 4 wheel dolly..and the new owner decided to fuck with
it and managed to dump it off the dolly. Busted the hell out of his leg
when he got trapped under it.
>
>Makino Seiki. Oddly enough, I have a Makino repairman that lives next
>door to me.

Ask im about it. I cant find any data anywhere on the net.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: What steel for pry bars?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 3:51 am
From: Bob

4140 heat treated to about Rc45

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 4:00 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 18, 10:16 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> ...
> First, what you're describing sounds quite a bit like a Red Devil pry bar
> ...
> Ed Huntress

I have several of that type and the gooseneck variant in different
sizes that I ground thin and belt-sanded smooth to loosen trim and
pull nails. Dark blue import ones that cost $3 have held up well for
this or other projects that needed a little chunk of hardened flat bar
stock.
http://www.platatac.com/www/182/files/red-devil-tool.jpg

jsw

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 4:59 am
From: "Snag"

Bob Engelhardt wrote:
> OK, from what Ed & Tim said, I do want something harder than mild
> steel, so that it won't "yield" as soon as mild steel would.
>
> As to heat treating facilities, well, minimal - maximum heat
> capability is propane forge. Obviously no automatic temp control.
>
> As to what I'm making: it's for taking down tin ceilings. The
> ceilings will be salvaged, so the specifics of the tool are needed
> to minimize damage. The bar needs to be about 16" long, to reach
> over the back of a 24" tile. It needs to have a long taper, coming
> to a thin edge, to work under the nails without distorting the tin. One
> edge needs to be 3/4" wide to fit into a nailing space. One end
> will be straight & the other have a 90 degree leg. It will be
> pulling out 1" long 16 ga nails, so it won't have to be very strong -
> I'm thinking 1/16" thick (from trials with a 1/16" thick putty knife).
>
> If it wasn't for the length, I would re-shape the putty knife. Which
> suggests brazing or silver soldering the knife on a longer handle - is
> that doable? How about a 90 bend in it - I assume that would require
> heating to bend, quenching, and tempering?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob

Sounds a lot like the beekeepers little pry I have . They use it to loosen
the frames in a hive , and except for the length fits your description .
Have you looked at the "wonder bar" flat prybars ? They also fit your
description ...

--
Snag
"90 FLHTCU "Strider"
'39 WLDD "PopCycle"
BS 132/SENS/DOF

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 5:21 am
From: Dave__67

On Mar 18, 9:58 pm, Bob Engelhardt <bobengelha...@comcast.net> wrote:
> OK, from what Ed & Tim said, I do want something harder than mild steel,
> so that it won't "yield" as soon as mild steel would.
>
> As to heat treating facilities, well, minimal - maximum heat capability
> is propane forge. Obviously no automatic temp control.
>
> As to what I'm making: it's for taking down tin ceilings. The ceilings
> will be salvaged, so the specifics of the tool are needed to minimize
> damage. The bar needs to be about 16" long, to reach over the back of a
> 24" tile. It needs to have a long taper, coming to a thin edge, to work
> under the nails without distorting the tin. One edge needs to be 3/4"
> wide to fit into a nailing space. One end will be straight & the other
> have a 90 degree leg. It will be pulling out 1" long 16 ga nails, so it
> won't have to be very strong - I'm thinking 1/16" thick (from trials
> with a 1/16" thick putty knife).
>
> If it wasn't for the length, I would re-shape the putty knife. Which
> suggests brazing or silver soldering the knife on a longer handle - is
> that doable? How about a 90 bend in it - I assume that would require
> heating to bend, quenching, and tempering?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob

Maybe you could modify a shingle ripper into a pry bar, since the
prying force will be pretty low.

Seems like getting the pry bar in there, then getting a fulcrum in
near it might get the nails out with a straighter pull?

Bar in, pull bar down a little, insert fulcrum (on a longish handle),
then push bar up towards the ceiling.

Dave

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TOPIC: Almost Alice
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 3:55 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:52:45 -0600, "Up North" <someone@someware.net>
wrote:

>
>"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:4b970312$0$4997$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> "Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
>> news:xyCln.193729$Hq1.135600@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Or maybe we're just tuning out the new stuff as "noise" and only hearing
>>>>what we recognize as Real Music <G>
>>>
>>> At work we have a lot of younger types that tend to play stuff that I
>>> have on vinyl. Even
>>> those youngsters know that todays music doesn't measure up. Most tend to
>>> play a majority
>>> of stuff from the 60's and 70's. Outside of country where I'll take a
>>> liking to a new
>>> song, I can't think of a rock song written recently that I like.
>>>
>>> Wes
>>
>> Uh, Wes, how many new rock songs do you listen to? The heavily-produced
>> stuff that makes it on major radio stations is pretty junky, I agree, but
>> with a 22-year-old son, I find the CD player in my car full of indie rock
>> when he goes back to school. Some of it is really good. You won't hear it
>> on the radio, unless you're within range of a major university FM station.
>>
>> That band that Gunner pointed to, Grace Potter and the Nocturnals, is a
>> Boston-area band -- very professional, very hot. I disagree about her and
>> the band, in relation to Grace Slick and the Jefferson Airplane. The
>> Nocturnals are better musicians than the Airplane, and Potter's cover of
>> Grace Slick's version, IMO, is every bit as good (They could use a Marty
>> Balin, though). Slick was one of those rare, real contralto women; you
>> won't find many of them around (Stevie Nicks was another one), but I
>> thought Potter did a really good job with that song, even though she can't
>> quite reach down to the bottom of Grace Slick's range.
>>
>> I'm trying not to listen to anything older than two or three years for a
>> while, just to tune in to it. I was getting to be a big White Stripes fan
>> but my son rolled his eyes and told me I was living in the past. <g> Get
>> up to date with Dirty Projectors, Xiu Xiu, Band of Horses, and Death Cab
>> for Cutie. Brooklyn indie rock is hot. Don't become an old fart before
>> your time. d8-)
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>>
>My brother sent this link the other night. The Avett Brothers. Good
>tunes......enjoy.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abQRt6p8T7g
>Steve
>
Saved!!! Thanks!!!!

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 4:00 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:58:12 -0500, Strabo <strabo@flashlight.net>
wrote:

>>
>> Progressives, liberals, abolitionists (read liberals) were from the
>> north, fought southern conservatives and eventually dictated the
>> reconstruction of the South
>>
>
>Thanks for the time. I wanted to know the extent of your ignorance.

Looks like the dumb fuck was calling Lincoln (R) a Liberal Progressive.

Fascinating

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Just One Use items
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 4:22 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:30:49 -0800, Larry Jaques
<ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:57:23 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:35:20 -0500, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Robert Swinney" <judybob@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Naw, Wes. I meant run whilst the bear is attracted to the other guy. Too bad if it happens to be
>>>>your hunting companion.
>>>
>>>
>>>What are you guys hunting with? I'm starting to think keeping a few 20ga slugs with me
>>>while bird hunting might be a good idea.
>>>
>>>Wes
>>
>>
>>Ayup. And they are rather cheap if you buy em in 5 packs. Works a treat
>>on bigger game, 2 and four legged, and does a rather decent job on the
>>passenger compartments of motor vehicles.
>
>Are you going to explain that last part, mon? <vbg>

Think it actually needs an explaination? Slugs work better than
buckshot when one needs to put leaks in motor vehicles and their
contents.

Shrug

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 4:37 am
From: John Husvar

In article <gZmdnfICe8PuPz_WnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@web-ster.com>,
Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.now> wrote:

> Griz wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:43:34 -0500, "Karl Townsend"
> > <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > "Talking to "The Kid" this morning, I found out his lady thinks my house
> > "smells "like a shop"
> > "
> > "That's a compliment, isn't it?
> > "
> > "BTW, set a small record of sorts this morning. Had the CNC mill, CNC
> > lathe,
> > "bandsaw, and manual mill all smokin' chips at the same time. I was as busy
> > "as a three pecker billy goat feedin' parts.
> > "
> > "Karl
> > "
> >
> > What the BLOODY HELL does the little 'Individual' (note the TIGHTLY
> gritted
> > teeth) THINK it should smell like? Chanel-freakin'-#5 ?
>
> What?!? You don't use that for coolant?

I love the smell of cutting fluids in the morning: It smells like fun!

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