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TOPIC: How to play with EMC2 and G code without an actual mill
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/2e32bcd27cf3bc6c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:06 pm
From: Wes

Ignoramus27796 <ignoramus27796@NOSPAM.27796.invalid> wrote:

>I was thinking of something very simple.
>
>Take the raw piece of material to be milled. Represent it as a
>collection of points on a 3D grid (most likely a rectangular set, as
>you normally start with a steel rectangle). When the milling bit
>goes through its path, every point on its path is removed from material,
>and this means it is removed from the set of points that we began
>with. We will end up with a set of points at the end that, if
>displayed properly, would visualize the remaining piece.
>
>i

Look up cutter compensation left, cutter compensation right.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/prl/documents/pdf/cuttrcmp.pdf

Then consider it when cutting a radius.

Wes

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TOPIC: Blocking newsgroups?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7e634c4213fed3e9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 4:53 pm
From: Robert Nichols

In article <74wjn.26461$Dv7.25203@newsfe17.iad>,
Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net> wrote:
: I'd like to set up a filter under Thunderbird to block a number of
:NGs (like cnc, survivalism, machines...)
:
: I don't see anything in the filters menu to block newsgroups. Are
:there add-ins?

It can be done in Thunderbird 3.0. The default list of headers for
Thunderbird's filter rules is short, but version 3.0 includes the
"Customize..." item for news filters (2.0 has that only for mail),
allowing you to add any header. Now, you do _not_ want to use the
obvious "Newsgroups" header. The technical problem with that is that
the Newsgroups header is not included in the overview data that gets
downloaded in bulk when you enter a group. If you try to filter on that
header, Thunderbird has to fetch it from the server individually for
every new article in the group, and that's expensive both in time and in
load on the server. What _is_ usually included in the overview data is
the similar "Xref" header, which is formatted like this:

Xref: some_server.com alt.machines.cnc:207400 talk.politics.guns:13946 rec.crafts.metalworking:685592

The "some_server.com" will be the server you got the article from. The
remainder of the line is a list of newsgroups and article numbers. You
can match on that text any way you like.

If you're wondering why the Xref header is in the overview data instead
of the more widely known Newsgroups header, it's because the Xref data
is needed to mark crossposts "read" in all groups when you read an
article in just one. The Newsgroups header lacks the article numbers
needed to do that.

--
Bob Nichols AT comcast.net I am "RNichols42"

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TOPIC: Second try.. Left handed Cobalt or Carbide Drill supplier?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3badc9c91bba5e44?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:10 pm
From: Kirk Gordon

tnik wrote:
> Anyone know of someone that carries left handed cobalt or carbide
> drills? Looking for a 3/8" jobber or screw length..
>
> thanks
>
> tom

I know a left-handed tool supplier: but I don't know if he sells
left-handed tools.

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TOPIC: On Topic- Lets get rid of Cliff
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/61873515b3a556d7?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:12 pm
From: Hawke

On 3/3/2010 4:30 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> On Mar 3, 5:40 pm, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
>> In article<hmmoa9$f9...@speranza.aioe.org>, Hawke<davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You need to give some thought to how much you would actually have to say
>>> if you kept to strictly metalworking topics. Most people here do
>>> projects as a hobby, which means they are not doing new things every day
>>> and they have long periods when they do little or nothing metal related.
>>> If they stuck strictly to metalwork they would make a couple of posts
>>> and then go away because they wouldn't have anything else to comment on.
>>> If you make all the posts strictly about metalworking do you know how
>>> small this newsgroup would be, and do you know how little you would
>>> contribute?
>>
>> While it's true that many people here post about metalworking *and* on
>> non-related topics, there are two regulars here who _almost never_ post
>> anything related to metalworking, whose posts are almost always left-wing
>> political rants of one sort or another -- and whose posts the group would IMHO
>> be better off without.
>>
>> One of those regulars is the subject of this thread.
>>
>> The other one is you.
>
> Damn...I am feeling left out.
>
> I demand a recount.
>
> TMT

So do you want to break the news to him or should I? That the truth is
the only difference between him and us is the percentage of metal to non
metal posts. That's like comparing a whore that works all night to one
that has just one trick. They're both whores. But I doubt he'll get the
connection so here it is. He's the same as us posting about metal and
non metal related topics and the only difference is in quantity. In
other words, he's just as guilty of off topic posts as anyone else. He
just does it less than some others. But at least he's a hypocrite about it.

Hawke

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:14 pm
From: Hawke

On 3/3/2010 4:32 PM, Steve B wrote:
> "Doug Miller"<spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
> news:hmms0t$k0$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>> In article<hmmoa9$f9p$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Hawke
>> <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> You need to give some thought to how much you would actually have to say
>>> if you kept to strictly metalworking topics. Most people here do
>>> projects as a hobby, which means they are not doing new things every day
>>> and they have long periods when they do little or nothing metal related.
>>> If they stuck strictly to metalwork they would make a couple of posts
>>> and then go away because they wouldn't have anything else to comment on.
>>> If you make all the posts strictly about metalworking do you know how
>>> small this newsgroup would be, and do you know how little you would
>>> contribute?
>>
>> While it's true that many people here post about metalworking *and* on
>> non-related topics, there are two regulars here who _almost never_ post
>> anything related to metalworking, whose posts are almost always left-wing
>> political rants of one sort or another -- and whose posts the group would
>> IMHO
>> be better off without.
>>
>> One of those regulars is the subject of this thread.
>>
>> The other one is you.
>
> Kudos, Doug.
>
>

Thanks for proving my point, Steve. You just did another off topic post.
So did Doug. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Like you do.

Hawke

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:15 pm
From: Hawke

>> You need to give some thought to how much you would actually have to say
>> if you kept to strictly metalworking topics. Most people here do
>> projects as a hobby, which means they are not doing new things every day
>> and they have long periods when they do little or nothing metal related.
>> If they stuck strictly to metalwork they would make a couple of posts
>> and then go away because they wouldn't have anything else to comment on.
>> If you make all the posts strictly about metalworking do you know how
>> small this newsgroup would be, and do you know how little you would
>> contribute? I bet the majority of your posts have no metalworking
>> content. The truth of the matter is there is not enough metal content to
>> keep everyone interested so the topics go a lot more to current events.
>> I think it adds to the group. A lot of metalworking subjects people post
>> about have no interest except for a few people. You restrict the group
>> to just metalworking and you wind up with a very tiny group. Some people
>> would be happy with that but from the way it is now most would not like
>> that.
>>
>> Hawke- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Hawke is right...Steve is one of the conservatives who rails at any
> political post that doesn't reflect his values.
>
> TMT

The vast majority of his posts are not metal related either. Which
happens to be exactly what he criticizes us for.

Hawke

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:17 pm
From: Hawke

On 3/3/2010 3:54 PM, Wes wrote:
> Hawke<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
>> But you post more on politics than you do on metalworking. Guess what?
>> So do most people and that includes the people bitching right now.
>
> What were your recent metalworking projects?
>
> Wes
>

I just welded a patch panel on my CJ5. Did you want to hear all about
it? I didn't think so.

Hawke

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:21 pm
From: Ignoramus27796

On 2010-03-04, Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
> I just welded a patch panel on my CJ5. Did you want to hear all about
> it? I didn't think so.

I would like to hear about that, personally.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:57 pm
From: "Robert Swinney"

Make that double kidos, Doug.

Bob Swinney
"Steve B" <deserttraver@fishymail.net> wrote in message news:mmb367-bpq2.ln1@news.infowest.com...

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:hmms0t$k0$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <hmmoa9$f9p$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Hawke
> <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>You need to give some thought to how much you would actually have to say
>>if you kept to strictly metalworking topics. Most people here do
>>projects as a hobby, which means they are not doing new things every day
>>and they have long periods when they do little or nothing metal related.
>>If they stuck strictly to metalwork they would make a couple of posts
>>and then go away because they wouldn't have anything else to comment on.
>>If you make all the posts strictly about metalworking do you know how
>>small this newsgroup would be, and do you know how little you would
>>contribute?
>
> While it's true that many people here post about metalworking *and* on
> non-related topics, there are two regulars here who _almost never_ post
> anything related to metalworking, whose posts are almost always left-wing
> political rants of one sort or another -- and whose posts the group would
> IMHO
> be better off without.
>
> One of those regulars is the subject of this thread.
>
> The other one is you.

Kudos, Doug.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 6:29 pm
From: Ecnerwal

If everyone stuck to metalworking, only, the group would improve
immensely, since the people who presently leave in disgust when they
come here to discuss metalworking would not have reason to leave, and
jackasses who never or rarely post about metalworking (roughly two
leftards, fifteen or so rightards, plus one or two "how do they even
connect to the web"-tards that are more clueless than political) would
probably dry up and blow away; or at least limit their output to
metalworking when their political crap gets no response whatever, from
anyone.

In short, if you simply post about metalworking, that's a good thing. If
you want to post about politics, there are groups for that, go there,
post there, argue there - don't do it here, nobody here will miss your
keen political insight, whichever direction you lean, wingnut, or rant.

This will never happen, since all the -tards are -tards and can't manage
to stop being -tards. But it would be really nice. We should try it.

Since this isn't metalworking, I'm going to stop posting in this thread.
Everyone else should give it a try, too.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 7:13 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-03-03, Robert Swinney <judybob@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> "Jon Danniken" <jondanSPAMniken@yaSPAMhoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7v755gFq98U1@mid.individual.net...

[ ... ]

>> I have had "Cliff" killfilled for several years now, and do not see any of
>> his posts.

> How does one go about killfilling in RCM? I am using Outlook Exress in Giganews reader.

It is the same for any usenet newsgroup, and is specific to the
newsreader which you are using. Some offer much more powerful
killfiling capabilities than others.

"Outlook Express" is your newsreader, and "Giganews" is your
news server. Unless you were using a web-based interface to the
newsgroup, it really would not matter who you use as the news sever,
execept that some my be doing a better job of killing off spam before
you see it than others.

Since what I use is "slrn" on a unix system, I can't tell you
how to do it in Outlook Express, which does not run on my systems, but
as I understand it, it is far less capable than free programs for
Windows like "Agent".

I think that you perhaps should look into changing newsreader to
one which is recommended as having good killfile capabilities under
Windows. (I won't bother suggesting that you change to Linux or some
other unix system -- if you were willing to do that, you would have
already I suspect. :-)

Of course -- you *will* have to learn a different user interface
when you switch newsreaders -- but I suspect that you will discover lots
of other reasons to like the new one after the switch.

Good luck,
DoN.

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== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 7:25 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-03-03, Steve Ackman <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
> In <684bea24-4d27-4926-9d7b-98294c398612@b7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, on
> Wed, 3 Mar 2010 04:58:59 -0800 (PST), Dave__67, spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com
> wrote:
>
>> I'm serious, if this was a meatspace community, the Cliffs would be
>> ejected by the community.
>
> Just banish him. On one newsreader, for example,
> you just hit 3 keys. 'k' 'f' <enter>
>
> Or you don't even have to single him out. Just
> filter all posts crossposted to 4 groups or more.
> That has the added bonus of getting rid of anyone that
> responds to the crossposts.

*Except* -- when the person responding "helpfully" trims the
"Newsgroups: " header to just rec.crafts.metalworking. Then the thread
pops up here and I have to individually killfile the "Subject: " header
as well.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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TOPIC: Educating Palin ??????
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/943320276cebeb7a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:13 pm
From: Occam's Razor

On 3/3/2010 2:14 PM, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
> On Feb 27, 1:17 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> wrote:
>> http://rawstory.com/2010/02/oreilly-sarah-palin-college/
>> "O�Reilly: �Sarah Palin needs to go to college�"
>> [
>> Sarah Palin's popularity among conservatives may be strong, but even some of
>> them seem to think she ought to learn a little bit more. That includes Fox News
>> anchor Bill O'Reilly.
>>
>> Appearing on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Thursday, O'Reilly told George
>> Stephanopoulos that if Palin wants to be a serious political contender for the
>> 2012 elections, she should hit the books.
>>
>> "Sarah Palin needs to go to college," O'Reilly said.
>> ]
>>
>> He should know, right? After all, IIRC, he passed High School somehow.
>>
>> Never happen.
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>
>
> Sarah Palin hitting the books would do as much good as a hog studying
> a wrist watch.
>
Someone taught you to use a keyboard so anything is possible.

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TOPIC: Any Homemade line boring equipment?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f4160105c5b801d9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:23 pm
From: James Waldby

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:24:47 -0600, Pete Keillor wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:59:07 -0800, "Bill McKee"... wrote:
>>"RogerN" <regor...> wrote ...
>>> Anyone make their own line boring bar/equipment? It doesn't look that
>>> hard to make and could be handy on jobs that are too big for machine
>>> tools. Just wondering if there are any good plans or project info on
>>> these. The stuff looks pretty expensive to buy new for what it is.

>>Depends on the job. Years ago, on Hopto excavators, my dad would mount
>>an engine cylinder boring machine to the side of the boom to bore out
>>the pivot pin area, to install a replaceble pin in made.
>>
> I seem to recall a rig by Wayne Cook. Maybe he'll chime in.

Or maybe not ~ but anyway, in DropBox/_2002_retired_files, see:
<http://www.metalworking.com/DropBox/_2002_retired_files/Lineboring00.txt>
<http://www.metalworking.com/DropBox/_2002_retired_files/Lineboring01.jpg>
<http://www.metalworking.com/DropBox/_2002_retired_files/Lineboring02.jpg>
<http://www.metalworking.com/DropBox/_2002_retired_files/Lineboring03.jpg>

(Per 2002 section of
<http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/dropbox.htm> )

--
jiw

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TOPIC: Al Gore takes aim
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4e2ba8fcc22c79a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:25 pm
From: Hawke

On 3/3/2010 3:32 PM, dcaster@krl.org wrote:
> On Mar 3, 10:43 pm, Hawke<davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, that depends on where you are. If it's San Francisco then it's no
>> big deal. If it's Dallas then it is. But what I am doing is betting that
>> when summer comes it's going to be just as hot or hotter this year than
>> it was last year. I think that is a pretty safe bet.
>>
>> Hawke
>
> Maybe. I bet that this winter was going to be as warm or warmer than
> it was last year. It may have been a pretty safe bet, but this winter
> was colder. I think that the high for every day in Jan and Feb was
> below the average high for those dates. Still have snow on over 50%
> of the lawn.
>
> Dan
>

That's the problem with looking at local data and trying to apply it
globally. In my neck of the woods, Northern California, we had a warm
winter. We got a pretty good amount of rain for a change but it was not
a cold winter. So who's climate do we look at yours or mine? I'd say
leave it to the scientists who are not affected by local weather events
when looking at global weather changes. Did you see the Olympics? They
didn't have enough snow for a number of events. That's Vancouver,
Canada, no snow. So do we look at your state or at Canada, and what
about the rest of the world? How was their weather? You have to go with
what the experts say and I have to tell you they still believe in global
warming being real. That's who I'm listening to. Not some right or left
wing political type. I am trusting what the scientists say. You want to
dispute them that's your choice.

Hawke

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 7:28 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-03-03, tnik <kortjester@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone know of someone that carries left handed cobalt or carbide
> drills? Looking for a 3/8" jobber or screw length..

I would go to (and have gone to) MSC <http://www.mscdirect.com>
for left-hand drills in several materials, but I would strongly suspect
that McMaster Carr also has them.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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TOPIC: Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/30a39cd522bcf038?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 5:53 pm
From: "RogerN"

"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:79jro5dgcsib56vksv0iujf1revhg7a1ol@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 20:25:48 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>
>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>news:8lbho5dgke44ilg3bnu61g02kdltpmf7dv@4ax.com...
>>> http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html
>>> "Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives?"
>>> [
>>
>>And I'm still asking are liberals smarter than a fence post! :-)
>>
>>RogerN
>>
>
> And I'll bet that the irony of you even having to ask that is lost on
> you.
>

An underage girl has to get her parents permission to get an aspirin at
school but not to get an abortion, a fence post can't come up with something
that stupid.

RogerN

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 6:40 pm
From: Aratzio

On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 19:53:36 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:

>
>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:79jro5dgcsib56vksv0iujf1revhg7a1ol@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 20:25:48 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>
>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>news:8lbho5dgke44ilg3bnu61g02kdltpmf7dv@4ax.com...
>>>> http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html
>>>> "Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives?"
>>>> [
>>>
>>>And I'm still asking are liberals smarter than a fence post! :-)
>>>
>>>RogerN
>>>
>>
>> And I'll bet that the irony of you even having to ask that is lost on
>> you.
>>
>
>An underage girl has to get her parents permission to get an aspirin at
>school but not to get an abortion, a fence post can't come up with something
>that stupid.
>
>RogerN
>

The Texas School Board.

<dayam, that was easy>

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TOPIC: OT Its getting bloody awful!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/47ca63d50cb132f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 6:51 pm
From: Winston

On 3/3/2010 3:01 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

(...)

> BTW, this may not be exactly what you need, but did you ever see the drywall
> carrier published in _Fine Homebuilding_ ...sheesh, maybe a decade or two
> ago?<g>

Missed it by *that* much.

> Picture the bottom part of that Telpro thingy, without the wheels, and with
> a loop of rope for a handle. This lets you carry sheets of drywall with your
> arm hanging down straight, rather than trying to hold on to both sides. You
> just put your other arm on the other edge of the drywall sheet (now the top)
> to steady it. The rope loop is the right length to keep the carrier a few
> inches off the ground, and the carrier part is made of three scraps of
> plywood screwed together. I think the configuration should be obvious -- I
> hope.

Slick! The "Secret Agent" version is the 'Pocket Troll' Model 29.
http://www.telproinc.com/

I like the way it folds up into 'pocket size'.
At 26 bucks it is a tad more expensive than some scrap plywood and rope,
though.

> Anyway, I use one for carrying a couple of sheets around at a time, with no
> problem. I also use it for carrying sheets of plywood. It's one heck of a
> lot easier than manhandling them.

Very nifty. I love that kind of stuff.

Also many articles in _Fine Homebuilding_ that made me smack my forehead,
because of the ingenious methods revealed to solve 'impossible' problems.

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/11161/save-your-old-paint

--Winston

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 7:01 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:14:42 -0800, the infamous "Artemus"
<bogus@invalid.org> scrawled the following:

>
>"Winston" <Winston@bigbrother.net> wrote in message
>news:hmls2q08u3@news4.newsguy.com...
>> Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
>> he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
>> to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something like
>> that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.
>>
>> Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?

You're a liberal democrat, Winnie! (You asked for it, right?)

>Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration
>http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Dolly-Cartin-Clamping-Capacity/dp/B00020BON0

Oh, that is so suhweeeeet! I love that li'l beastie.

Will have to make one, _soonest_ and save what's left of my back!

Remember, guys: HF has those 10-inch pneumatic wheels on sale next
week for $3.79 each!

WAIT A MINUTE! HOW'D THIS MAKE IT ONTO RCM? IT DEALS WITH METAL.

--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his
heart's blood into it, and then it lies about unread till
the reader has nothing else in the world to do.
-- W. Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge, 1943

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 7:03 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:53:39 -0800, the infamous Winston
<Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:

>On 3/3/2010 2:14 PM, Artemus wrote:
>> "Winston"<Winston@bigbrother.net> wrote in message
>> news:hmls2q08u3@news4.newsguy.com...
>>> Envision a set of bicycle 'training wheels' on a U bracket so that
>>> he could roll the sheets individually into position rather than having
>>> to dead-lift several, twice a day. I remember having seen something like
>>> that in a catalog once upon a time, but not since.
>>>
>>> Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?
>>>
>> Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration
>> http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Dolly-Cartin-Clamping-Capacity/dp/B00020BON0
>> http://www.amazon.com/Telpro-TROLL-300-Pound-Capacity-Handler/dp/B0000224PA
>
>
>Bingo! That "Telpro TROLL" will work a treat!

A pair of inline skate wheels ($1 at the Dollar Store) could be
used...

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 7:12 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Winston" <Winston@bigbrother.net> wrote in message
news:hmn78b0ji8@news1.newsguy.com...
> On 3/3/2010 3:01 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>> BTW, this may not be exactly what you need, but did you ever see the
>> drywall
>> carrier published in _Fine Homebuilding_ ...sheesh, maybe a decade or two
>> ago?<g>
>
> Missed it by *that* much.
>
>> Picture the bottom part of that Telpro thingy, without the wheels, and
>> with
>> a loop of rope for a handle. This lets you carry sheets of drywall with
>> your
>> arm hanging down straight, rather than trying to hold on to both sides.
>> You
>> just put your other arm on the other edge of the drywall sheet (now the
>> top)
>> to steady it. The rope loop is the right length to keep the carrier a few
>> inches off the ground, and the carrier part is made of three scraps of
>> plywood screwed together. I think the configuration should be obvious --
>> I
>> hope.
>
> Slick! The "Secret Agent" version is the 'Pocket Troll' Model 29.
> http://www.telproinc.com/

Very slick. However, at 5' 9", I think I'm better off with the device on my
side of the panel, so I don't have to reach over it. Either that, or I need
stilts to go with it. <g> I use the device I described on the side of the
panel that I'm facing, and use my other hand to stabilize the top of the
panel.

>
> I like the way it folds up into 'pocket size'.
> At 26 bucks it is a tad more expensive than some scrap plywood and rope,
> though.

Yes. If you're working on construction jobs or re-doing the walls in your
whole house, I can see it. As it is, I can make one of those scrap-wood
thingies in ten minutes, so I don't even keep them around from year to year.

>
> > Anyway, I use one for carrying a couple of sheets around at a time, with
> > no
> > problem. I also use it for carrying sheets of plywood. It's one heck of
> > a
> > lot easier than manhandling them.
>
> Very nifty. I love that kind of stuff.
>
> Also many articles in _Fine Homebuilding_ that made me smack my forehead,
> because of the ingenious methods revealed to solve 'impossible' problems.
>
> http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/11161/save-your-old-paint

Yeah, old copies are worth their weight in gold for things like that.

--
Ed Huntress

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 7:42 pm
From: Winston

On 3/3/2010 7:01 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:14:42 -0800, the infamous "Artemus"
> <bogus@invalid.org> scrawled the following:
>
>>
>> "Winston"<Winston@bigbrother.net> wrote in message
>> news:hmls2q08u3@news4.newsguy.com...

(...)

>>> Catalog page cites? Advice? Criticism? Political Insults?
>
> You're a liberal democrat, Winnie! (You asked for it, right?)

OW! Wad I do to you, Larry?

>> Here are 2 ready made units for inspiration
>> http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-DC-9-Dolly-Cartin-Clamping-Capacity/dp/B00020BON0
>
> Oh, that is so suhweeeeet! I love that li'l beastie.
>
> Will have to make one, _soonest_ and save what's left of my back!
>
> Remember, guys: HF has those 10-inch pneumatic wheels on sale next
> week for $3.79 each!
>
> WAIT A MINUTE! HOW'D THIS MAKE IT ONTO RCM? IT DEALS WITH METAL.

Um. Sorry.

--Winston

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 7:54 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:01:07 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 04:11:33 -0800 (PST), Shall not be infringed
> <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mar 1, 12:28 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 07:59:31 -0500, Cliff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>> > On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:42:49 -0800 (PST), Shall not be infringed
>>> > <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>On Feb 27, 12:23 am, Cliff
>>> >><Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>> >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8539198.stm
>>> >>> "Vast Antarctic iceberg 'threat to marine life'" <Video at
>>> >>> link>
>>> >>> [
>>> >>> A vast iceberg that broke off eastern Antarctic earlier this month
>>> >>> could disrupt marine life in the region, scientists have warned.
>>>
>>> >>> They say the iceberg, which is 78km long and up to 39km wide,
>>> >>> could make it harder for the area's colonies of Emperor Penguins
>>> >>> to find food.
>>>
>>> >>> But British and Australian scientists disagree on whether it could
>>> >>> also cause major problems to our own weather patterns.
>>>
>>> >>> Tom Symonds reports.
>>> >>> ]
>>>
>>> >>5 miles by 2.5 miles. Big deal.
>>>
>>> > Thank you for the advanced math work, Mr. Winger.
>>>
>>> Remember when the cockroach claimed to have worked in science on a
>>> daily basis? Same accuracy shown here...
>>
>>I made a mistake. Then I did something the climate scientists couldn't
>>do... I admitted it.
>
> Just because it's getting warmer due to man-made CO2 & Methane
> is no reason to lie about it.
>
>>That's the diff between a climate scientist and a meteorologist.
>
> Someone on the tvee with a background in reading
> weather reports from the real professionals & computers?
> Usually with a degree in "communications" or similar?
>
>>So what's your excuse, Alberto Cur-Lee?
>
> Not being ignorant?

Am I still stalking the cockroach?

--
Regards, Curly
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Republicans: Party Without a Conscious
Democrats: Party Without a Spine
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 3 2010 7:56 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:35:57 -0800, "leonard78sp@gmail.com"
<leonard78sp@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 3, 3:30 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 04:07:32 -0800, "leonard7...@gmail.com"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <leonard7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Mar 2, 1:16 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:06:05 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
>>
>> >> <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
>> >> > Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> fired this volley in
>> >> >news:hmjdn8$uks$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> >> >> Nope, also CO and NO2. Carbon monoxide is the killer.
>>
>> >> > Not from a clean, properly oxygenated, near-atmospheric pressure
>> >> > flame. NOx compounds are not formed at the relatively low
>> >> > temperatures found there, and CO is only formed in the presence of
>> >> > insufficient oxygen.
>>
>> >> > LLoyd
>>
>> >> Few kerosene heaters are well attended and do produce both NO2 (and
>> >> NO) and carbon monoxide. Oft times dangerous levels of CO. NO
>> >> actually helps respiration but isn't present in any significant
>> >> amount. CO should be of concern.
>>
>> > ø Bullshit!!!
>>
> ø 1- Nobody can control the wind
> 2- Nobody can control the rain or snow
> 3- Nobody (collectively) can control climate. 4- Global temps
> are within natural variations 5- Oceans heating are a prelude
> to glaciation
>
> Get used to it!!
>
> — —
> | In real science the burden of proof is always | on the proposer, never
> on the skeptics. So far | neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
> | iota of valid data for global warming nor have | they provided data
> that climate change is being | effected by commerce and industry, and
> not by | natural causes
>>
>> Did you even read the post to which you pasted this rant?
>
> ø 4Q Asshole
> ø The issue is really irrelevant.
> Nobody can control the wind
> Nobody can control the rain or snow
> Nobody (collectively) can control climate. Global temps are within
> natural variations Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation
>  
Get used to it!!
>
> — —
> | In real science the burden of proof is always | on the proposer, never
> on the skeptics. So far | neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
> | iota of valid data for global warming nor have | they provided data
> that climate change is being | effected by commerce and industry, and
> not by | natural causes

Buh-Bye!

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