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TOPIC: What is it? Set 329
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1132fdc41582b35f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:07 pm
From: J Burns

Rob H. wrote:
> A new set has been added to the web site:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1890: How about planing a grove through high spots on a floor along a
baseboard? Then a strip of narrow molding would seal out drafts and
bugs, but you wouldn't have to plane the whole floor.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:10 pm
From: J Burns

J Burns wrote:
> Rob H. wrote:
>> A new set has been added to the web site:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
> 1890: How about planing a grove through high spots on a floor along a
> baseboard? Then a strip of narrow molding would seal out drafts and
> bugs, but you wouldn't have to plane the whole floor.

Uh-oh... skinny 72" handle, too long for a floor.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:51 pm
From: Bill

Esra Sdrawkcab wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:19:15 -0000, Rob H. <rhvp65@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A new set has been added to the web site:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>

1885: Temperature gauge for molten metal (or other substance having
temperature having 4 digits to the left of the decimal point).

Bill

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TOPIC: Who will be the first?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f434d5963fd21822?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:06 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Steve B" <deserttraver@fishymail.net> wrote in message
news:hog3m0$h9m$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:16:05 -0700, Steve B wrote:
>
>
>> Guess you didn't hear about Bill and Hillary's methods of getting
>> "contributions".
>>
>> Steve
>
> This is why you consistently appear as a dumb shit. What proof do you have
> or just more made up lies that you expect someone to believe. I know you
> to be too stupid to find a link for your lie.
>
> Tell TMT that the "interweb" extends beyond the boundries of of the USA.
> The news server aioe isn't in or limited to the USA either.
>
> Get some friends.
>
> By the way, are you still beating your wife?
>
> steve

What are you doing this weekend, dumb fuck? Why don't you come by and let's
talk? I'll be in Vegas Friday. Let's get together real soon.

Steve

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 2:06 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
news:67vlq5tp5g2frfbpp0f58suog3un5bv2n8@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:31:24 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
>>news:gsbjq515i3759kgn7mqb288f5g2k5hkern@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:51:25 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
>>> <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I will be watching with interest, and with a lot of
>>>>distance. While I support liberty, and the Constitution, I'm
>>>>also not interested in challenging the power of the US
>>>>Government.
>>>
>>> Challenge of the government is essential to democracy. Fear of
>>> retribution for challenge of government is clear evidence of
>>> submission to and acceptance of tyranny.
>>>
>>> That's not to say that challenges should be by fire. That's revolution
>>> or anarchy, doomed to fail against vastly superior force unless done
>>> with considerably more coordination and fieldcraft than is evident
>>> among noisy dissidents clamoring for attention or trolling on usenet.
>>
>>It's treason, and is an executable offense.
>
> Perhaps, after decades of legal maneuvering and dicking around. Faint
> threat, minor deterrent.
>
> The more immediate reality is the matter of picking a firefight with
> young, strong, eager gov't forces of superior numbers and armament in
> combat-ready condition and state of training. Guerilla warfare isn't
> about posturing or political protest, it's about killing stealthily
> while accepting and even embracing significant mortal risk.

The "more immediate reality" that you describe is objectively accurate, but
has no operative significance. Because the juvenile blowhards who are
fantasizing about it don't have the balls to even attempt it. All talk, no
go, they've run out of testicles by the time they hit the "send" key. Their
fantasy isn't even worth a reasoned and objective response.

>
> There's nothing patriotic about anarchy. There is also nothing
> patriotic about acceptance of greed and corruption in our congress and
> offensive arrogance exhibited by our elected president. Not that his
> swaggerwide predecessor was any less offensive.

First off, I doubt if most people agree with you about Obama's "arrogance."
Most of us (I'm in the plurality here, who favor his performance) think he
took too long to tell the Republican obstructionists to go piss up a rope --
the Dems are in the majority, and they were elected to lead, not to suck up
to Republicans who are trying to exploit a political wedge (and let the
country be damned) or to knee-jerk to every poll.

And if you don't like the leaders we have, then you know what to do about
it. Fantasizing about shooting them, like Larry, Gunner, and the rest of the
knuckleheads are doing, is the most offensive thing going on here.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: fun with your tractor
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8b925e9e3238029e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:08 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Jim Wilkins" <kb1dal@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6739830b-0827-4a0d-a180-1c5079ff4691@k19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 24, 11:16 pm, "Bill Noble" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=RobaJKGMMiE
>
> --
> Bill -www.wbnoble.com

Amazing!

Rupert didn't even wear a helmet.

The announcer says "Don't do this at home."

jsw

The skill of the operator is amazing. One jerk or quick movement, and the
whole thing could have come down. There are lots of "drivers" around, and
few "operators." This man is an "operator".

Steve

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TOPIC: Machine safety
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c8ed0e0e3ad0e725?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:13 pm
From: rangerssuck

On Mar 25, 11:43 am, "Pete C." <aux3.DO...@snet.net> wrote:
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:45:06 -0600, the infamous "Pete C."
> > <aux3.DO...@snet.net> scrawled the following:
>
> > >John wrote:
>
> > >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:53:41 +1100, "stu" <no where just yet> wrote:
>
> > >> >"cncmillgil" <mil...@cin.net> wrote in message
> > >> >news:8cd6ca38-8b23-42e8-892d-d1eaaab53be5@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> > >> >Wonder if this could be implemented on other machine tools?
>
> > >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1
>
> > >> One wonders why they removed the guard that is fitted to nearly all
> > >> table saws and why the blade projected so far through the work when
> > >> normal practice is to have the blade only high enough to make a clean
> > >> cut.
>
> > >> Unless it was in order to sell a product..
>
> > >> John B.
>
> > >Well, nobody who actually does woodworking with any regularity actually
> > >installs the guards on their saws since the guards are designed by
> > >lawyers who have never used a saw in their lives and have no
> > >understanding of why such guards actually increase the dangers of the
> > >saw.
>
> > If you put your blade up high and put your hand on the wood, it will
> > smoothly go under the guard and be cut off your wrist. Where guards
> > are good is if you slip and an appendage lands on the top of the
> > blade. If the blade is set right, you'll get a nasty cut but not a
> > severed limb.
>
> > >As for not setting the blade height correctly, and presumably also not
> > >using the feather boards, push sticks and the like that are routinely
> > >used by people who actually know how to use a saw, that is just the
> > >usual marketing distortion trying to sell a failed product.
>
> > It's not a failed product. His attempt at extortion failed. He wants a
> > price for the device ($150-200), and the price for licensing is a full
> > EIGHT PERCENT OF THE SALE PRICE OF THE SAW! It would double the price
> > for a contractor's saw and add at least $400 to the price of cabinet
> > saws. The lawyer who invented it priced himself out of the market. As
> > I said on the Wreck a couple days ago, if he'd really wanted to see
> > everyone safe, he'd have sold licenses to the mfgrs for a couple grand
> > and asked a buck or two per unit sold. He'd be set for life and the
> > device would be on nearly every new saw sold worldwide.
>
> > >The big problem is that the developers of these nany-saws are so
> > >emotionally invested in them that they can't understand why everyone
> > >isn't jumping to buy them. They have even tried such corrupt practices
> > >as attempting to get their product to be made mandatory on all saws.
>
> > And not only table saws. He'll see them on bandsaws and miter saws,
> > too. The one thing he can't sue away is the vast amount of stupidity
> > out there.
>
> > >They are basically like religious loons blindly preaching their faith to
> > >those who are smart enough to see through it, or in this case to those
> > >who know how to use a table saw and have no use for nany-crap.
>
> > Not to mention that the cost of a false stop is $90 for the cartridge
> > and $120 for a Forrest Woodworker II blade, plus an hour to get them
> > and an hour to install. <thud>
>
> > >A worse situation is with auto airbags, where I have said from the
> > >beginning that they were a bad idea, it was proven to be a bad idea, but
> > >they tried to redesign the bags, and now yet again it has been shown
> > >that they are a failure and are harming more people than they help.
>
> > Physical damage or deafness? I understand that they're louder than a
> > shotgun. I hope to never hear one.
>
> Physical injury and even death. There was another study that just came
> out that showed that the redesigned airbags are even worse than the
> originals.

Tell that to my sister and her daughter who are alive to day thanks to
the airbags in their Honda.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:12 pm
From: steamer

In rec.crafts.metalworking stans4@prolynx.com wrote:
>$60??? A lot of cabinet-making blades start at $100 and go up from
>there. God knows what it would do to a dado head. The figure for the
>actual stop mechanism that I saw several years back was $150 for the
>parts that destroy themselves and the blade plus $600 or so for the
>guts. Kind of stupid when a cheap contractor's saw runs $150 or so.
>These guys are still at it, want OSHA to mandate installation on all
>power saws.
SNIP
--Have one; wouldn't trade it for *anything*. Cost of replacing the
module has dripped significantly; around $65 IIRC. Blades are cheaper than
they used to be too. What price a finger or the palm of your hand? More than
that I'd venture. Clumsiness isn't the only route to danger; shit happens..

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Blue Cross socks us
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : $23,000/yr!! ...
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

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TOPIC: Holdnig endmills in Morse tapered holders Re: Am I a fool to buy this
mill/drill?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e9a4f5f7f431a335?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:19 pm
From: danmitch

Ignoramus30639 wrote:

> On 2010-03-25, danmitch <danmitch@umflint.edu> wrote:
>
>>Well, a bigger Morse tape will hold a larger cutter BEFORE the cutting
>>forces make it come loose! :-((
>>
>>These things DO exist (Morse and B&S tapers are all I've seen), and
>>WERE used, probably mostly a long time ago. I've seen a bunch of
>>such tooling, including milling cutters with integral Morse tapers,
>>and NO drawbar threads. IIRC, all these cutters had tanged tapers.
>>
>>As I said earlier, it CAN work, sometimes, maybe, if the tapers are well
>>seated (probaly driven in with a mallet). If you've ever tried to
>>UN-seat a well seated Morse taper, you'll know just how tenacious these
>>self-locking tapers can be.
>
>
> Took me at least a minute, and I had to get a 2 lb sledgehammer to get
> one of those MT4 holders ouf of an MT5 adaptor.
>
>
>>I expect their biggest weakness was in interrupted cuts, where the
>>hammering would tend to work them loose.
>>
>>Today they're mainly a curiosity. I wouldn't recommend using them.
>>Considering what a mess a cutter can make if it slips and puuls out in a
>>collet, I can't immagine how bad it's be if they pulled out of a taper
>>during a heavy cut. It's surely wreck the cutter and work, and maybe
>>damage the machine.
>>
>>The few M2 size I have mostly had soft enough shanks that I drilled and
>>tapped most for a 3/8 drawbar.
>
>
> I intuitively agree with you, but I must point out, these holders are
> very obviously used and they were used a lot. They also look like they
> have not seen crashes. I can take pictures if anyone is interested,
> they are quite unusual.
>
> i
That's been pretty much my point all along. Just because something
doesn't conform to current practice, doesn't mean it was never done.
Current practice has been arrived at by long experience. It's usually
either what works best, or (still) works (maybe just barely) and is
least expensive, as best we know NOW.

A lot of things were done differently, and perhaps not wisely, in days
past. They didn't know what worked best back then (nor do we today),
just what worked adequately for the time.

And, once you accept that such practices existed, those who had to work
with them learned HOW to use them to maximum effect. In many old
industries you learned HOW to do something properly or got fired (or
died) early. Everyday practice back then would be considered totally
reckless today ... but they did it, they (usually) got the job done,
they built our industries and our nation (world), and even (often, but
not always) survived.

You also can't separate industrial practice from everyday living in it's
own time frame ... LOTS of things were dangerous back then, and many
people didn't live long for all sorts of reasons. Some of them may have
been safer at work than at home.

You do the best you can with what you've got.

Dan Mitchell
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== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:27 pm
From: danmitch

Jim Wilkins wrote:

> On Mar 25, 11:36 am, Ignoramus30639 <ignoramus30...@NOSPAM.
> 30639.invalid> wrote:
>
>>...
>>Took me at least a minute, and I had to get a 2 lb sledgehammer to get
>>one of those MT4 holders ouf of an MT5 adaptor.
>
>
> I made a cap that screws onto the top of the milling machine spindle
> to push the loosened drawbar down and pop a collet without harming the
> bearings.
>
> jsw
That's a good idea, assuming a hollow spindle. It saves the spindle
bearings from the jar of driving out the taper.

Recall that most of the Morse tooling I've seen is tanged. As most here
know, but some may not, the tang on such tools is NOT for driving the
cutter. It's nowhere near as strong in transferring torque as a properly
seated taper.

The tang is for ejecting the cutter from the taper using wedges inserted
through holes in the side of the spindle. This is most commonly applied
to drills, but it was obviously also was used with these milling cutters.

Dan Mitchell
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== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:31 pm
From: "Joe AutoDrill"

> Recall that most of the Morse tooling I've seen is tanged. As most here
> know, but some may not, the tang on such tools is NOT for driving the
> cutter. It's nowhere near as strong in transferring torque as a properly
> seated taper.

...and that is why the most common ER25 and ER32 MT2 collet chucks are
draw-bar equipped rather than made with a heat treated tang.
--

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/
Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com
VIDEOS: http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoDrill

V8013-R

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:32 pm
From: danmitch

Jim Wilkins wrote:

> On Mar 25, 12:30 pm, John Martin <jmartin...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>...
>>The oldtimers used a ball of lead or a lead hammer to seat the cutters
>>in the taper. Much of the time, the cutters had straight flutes
>>rather than helical ones. The straight flutes bang harder in the cut,
>>but have less tendency to pull out of the taper.
>>...
>>John Martin
>
>
> The batch I got from Wholesale Tool almost all have spiral flutes
> either like modern end mills or finer ones like very old cutters. Most
> have large center holes in both ends which make sharpening the flutes
> lengthwise easy, but plunging in for a pocket more difficult. One has
> no cutting edges at all on the end.
>
> jsw
These may well have been used in a horizontal mill with an overarm and
outboard center bearing. This would also help (a bit) to hold the cutter
in the taper.

Dan Mitchell
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== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:40 pm
From: Ignoramus30639

On 2010-03-25, danmitch <danmitch@umflint.edu> wrote:
> That's a good idea, assuming a hollow spindle. It saves the spindle
> bearings from the jar of driving out the taper.
>
> Recall that most of the Morse tooling I've seen is tanged. As most here
> know, but some may not, the tang on such tools is NOT for driving the
> cutter. It's nowhere near as strong in transferring torque as a properly
> seated taper.

I have seen a lot of twisted off tangs.

> The tang is for ejecting the cutter from the taper using wedges inserted
> through holes in the side of the spindle. This is most commonly applied
> to drills, but it was obviously also was used with these milling cutters.

Yep, those wedges are called drifts.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 12:48 pm
From: Ignoramus30639

On 2010-03-25, danmitch <danmitch@umflint.edu> wrote:
> That's been pretty much my point all along. Just because something
> doesn't conform to current practice, doesn't mean it was never done.
> Current practice has been arrived at by long experience. It's usually
> either what works best, or (still) works (maybe just barely) and is
> least expensive, as best we know NOW.
>
> A lot of things were done differently, and perhaps not wisely, in days
> past. They didn't know what worked best back then (nor do we today),
> just what worked adequately for the time.
>
> And, once you accept that such practices existed, those who had to work
> with them learned HOW to use them to maximum effect. In many old
> industries you learned HOW to do something properly or got fired (or
> died) early. Everyday practice back then would be considered totally
> reckless today ... but they did it, they (usually) got the job done,
> they built our industries and our nation (world), and even (often, but
> not always) survived.
>
> You also can't separate industrial practice from everyday living in it's
> own time frame ... LOTS of things were dangerous back then, and many
> people didn't live long for all sorts of reasons. Some of them may have
> been safer at work than at home.
>
> You do the best you can with what you've got.
>

I think that the take home lesson from this very interesting
discussion is as follows:

1) It is possible to use Morse taper tooling for milling, under
some conditions.
2) Despite that, the modern NMTB tooling is clearly much better.

I have also realized that, possibly, these toolholders were used for
straight shank drills, or hones, or something other than milling. That
would invalidate my point 1).

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 2:02 pm
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 25, 3:27 pm, danmitch <danmi...@umflint.edu> wrote:
> Jim Wilkins wrote:
> ...
> The tang is for ejecting the cutter from the taper using wedges inserted
> through holes in the side of the spindle. This is most commonly applied
> to drills, but it was obviously also was used with these milling cutters.
>
> Dan Mitchell

Neither my Clausing nor my Morse #3 horizontal mill have slots for the
drifts, or the parallel section that the tang engages. Both have
drawbars, at least, though the MT3 mill's arbor is threaded 1/2-12
(British pitch, American shape) rather than 1/2-13.

I suppose tolerating these quirks is the price of adopting unwanted
orphan machine tools. I acquire dogs the same way and they have turned
out well with some TLC.

jsw

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TOPIC: Reading RCM via Mac?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/903342897565e9ff?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:05 pm
From: steamer

--A pal of mine was wondering what other Mac users prefer for
reading usenet. I'm on the PC side of the fence using putty and haven't a
clue what's on the Mac side.
Suggestions welcome and I'll pass 'em along to my pal

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Blue Cross socks us
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : $23,000/yr!! ...
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:17 pm
From: Spehro Pefhany

On 25 Mar 2010 20:05:34 GMT, steamer <steamer@sonic.net> wrote:

> --A pal of mine was wondering what other Mac users prefer for
>reading usenet.

Google?
;-)

>I'm on the PC side of the fence using putty and haven't a
>clue what's on the Mac side.
> Suggestions welcome and I'll pass 'em along to my pal

I've heard Unison is okay.

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TOPIC: Would you buy a new Toyota?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/92b2cda20b50e86b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:07 pm
From: steamer

In rec.crafts.metalworking clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> Hybrid Silverado has been available for at least 2 years. At least
>they CALL it a hybrid.
--Is that the Chevy truck? It's a joke: a V-8 with 2 batteries and
an inverter so you can run a tablesaw by plugging it into a 110 outlet in
the box. Not *my* idea of a 'hybrid'.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Blue Cross socks us
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : $23,000/yr!! ...
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:43 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On 25 Mar 2010 20:07:45 GMT, steamer <steamer@sonic.net> wrote:

>In rec.crafts.metalworking clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> Hybrid Silverado has been available for at least 2 years. At least
>>they CALL it a hybrid.
> --Is that the Chevy truck? It's a joke: a V-8 with 2 batteries and
>an inverter so you can run a tablesaw by plugging it into a 110 outlet in
>the box. Not *my* idea of a 'hybrid'.
It does the "shut down at stops" too,doesn't it?

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TOPIC: Advice on truck
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c17af6ad43a25c3b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:22 pm
From: Ned Simmons

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:36:29 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:30:18 -0500, Ned Simmons <news@nedsim.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:05:43 -0500, RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>stryped wrote:
>>>> On Mar 24, 9:16 am, Randy <rbraun...@enter.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:09:54 -0700 (PDT), stryped <stryp...@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have available a silver 2006 f-150 4 door short bed for 7,000. It is
>>>>>> a leased vehicle for a company that my dad works at and has 136,000
>>
>>>
>>>If that were local to me, I'd be on it like a duck on a June bug!
>>>
>>>I bought my current Ford truck with 192K miles on it, for $4500.
>>>Now at 223K (?) and still runs like new.
>>
>>If you don't mind an older truck, I'd hold out for something cheaper.
>>I paid $4200 for a 12 year old F250 with 79K, no problems and not a
>>speck of rust.
> He's going to haul his family around with it - finding GOOD older
>trucks at a reasonable cost in about 75% of North America is like
>finding a needle in a haystack.
>Either they've had the snot driven out of them by some kid, they've
>had the tail worked off of them or beat to heck as a working truck,
>they've been abused and neglected, or they've rusted away.

And yet they are available if you can afford to be patient. I found
mine here in coastal Maine, which is about as bad as it gets for road
salt and rust.

--
Ned Simmons

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:39 pm
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 25, 11:46 am, Larry Jaques <ljaq...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 05:32:43 -0700 (PDT), the infamous Jim Wilkins
> <kb1...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
> >On Mar 25, 8:24 am, stryped <stryp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> ...
>
> >> With 138,000 miles, how long can I get out of this truck do you think?
> >> I believe it has the small v8 engine. (4.6 L maybe???)
>
> >How well will you take care of it, how much can you repair?
>
> How many times will you guys continue to respond to this known troll?
> Dayam!

Does he remind you of anyone you know, someone you help out but don't
lend tools to?

jsw

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TOPIC: Westec Cruising 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b1ee9ba1685df310?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:23 pm
From: steamer

In rec.crafts.metalworking bottlbob@earthlink.net <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Went to Westec Tuesday. It was held in the South Hall just like the
>2009 Westec. There may have been a few more booths than last year but
>nothing like in it's heyday years where it filled two large halls plus
>half the downstairs of another hall.

--Kinda glad I gave it a miss this yr; first time in decades. Last
yr was so lame two of us walked the whole shebang in less than 2 hrs..

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Blue Cross socks us
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : $23,000/yr!! ...
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

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TOPIC: Lubricant for plastic on metal
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4191d621c8f4db86?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:34 pm
From: whit3rd

On Mar 25, 8:34 am, "op...@hotmail.com" <op...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[about a switch with a wear issue]
> ... the washer being so thin
> and the arrangement only centered axially by two springs, it wobbles,
> allowing the washer to "whittle" the rod while operating.
>
> > Buy some good escapement-operated push-push switches, and they'll last
> > hundreds of thousands of operations.
>
> That's at least 54 years at 5 operations per day. Overkill for the
> purpose.

Overkill kills the problem. Then the problem stays dead. Overkill is
good.

Mass-produced microswitch mechanisms are inexpensive and
very durable, and available with LOTS of actuator choices.
Buy some, or get 'em from scrap equipment (every dead microwave
oven has two nice microswitches in the interlock system).

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TOPIC: OT - Removing antenna mount from car window...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3b9581f18ab0bf86?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:45 pm
From: Jeff Wisnia

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 25 2010 1:48 pm
From: Jeff Wisnia

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

My son just bought a used car which has an antenna mount for a satellite
radio stuck on the outside of the rear window.

It's a lump about 1-1/2" square with a short male threaded antenna
starter piece sticking out of it.

He's no intention of getting a satellite radio and asked me how to
safely remove that piece.

There's a matching lump on the inside of the glass which I assume is
inductively or capacitively coupled to the outside piece, but he's not
much concerned with that one and if it happens to be stuck over one of
the defroster grid lines he's better off not messing wwith it.

I presume the outside piece he wants to remove is adhesively attached to
the glass and wondered if the folks here here can recommend a safe way
of removing it without risking damage to the rear window.

Thanks guys,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

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