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TOPIC: Hobart Gasoline Welder
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ec8d843faba8846b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:23 am
From: "Buerste"

"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:63c3p5ddu7sh8r3s07h3t9vmvts58887r7@4ax.com...
> Anyone know anything about this beasty?
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/HobartGasolineWelder#
>
> I brought it home last night. Previous owner claimed it ran the last
> time they welded with it..about 12 yrs ago. Look at the wheels....blink
> blink..Ive never seen a wheel with no hole in the middle before. I drug
> it from Bakersfield..about 45 miles at 55-60 mph and the bearings didnt
> get warm..and I know it had sat parked for at least 8 yrs since they
> pulled it down from the ranch.
>
> Owner claimed it had come off a Liberty Ship vintage WW2...shrug
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> Gunner
>
> Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
> wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
> something damned nasty to all three of them.

With a bit of luck the engine is free. I remember your stuck piston
adventure.

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TOPIC: DIY Two-Stroke Engine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bcf5d37475198771?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:24 am
From: PaPa Peng

On Mar 5, 6:56 pm, durabol <durabo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For the last few years I have toyed with the idea of building a
> homemade two-stroke engine for UL use. What keyed my interest was
> reading about homemade model aircraft engines and reading and watching
> a re-enactment of the Wright brother's first flight with a replica
> engine (not a two-stroke engine).
>
> Has anyone made a 2-stroke engine from scratch? One may need to cast
> aluminium, may need a lathe and milling machine with boring head and
> hone or perhaps the boring and honing of the cylinder and bearing
> journals could be farmed out. A commercial carburetor and piston could
> be used. Two-stroke engines seem simple enough that home construction
> may be possible, if not practical.
>
> A direct drive engine will be that much heavier when you take into
> account the weight of the drive reduction system. I have calculated
> the weight of an 80x80mm bore and stroke 2 cylinder opposed engine and
> it was a bit under 40lbs which should give about 1hp/lbs. I used 10mm
> cylinder and crankcase wall thickness and a 1.25" dia crank.
>
> I have got some idea of port-time-area from the freeware computer
> program called "BiMotion". I'm not sure how good the data is for
> lowish speed engines but I guess it is a start. I have also worked up
> a spreadsheet for similar information.
>
> I don't think a reed valve system is needed for this engine since it
> is only going to operate at a fairly narrow rpm range and the port
> timing isn't critical. Piston ported valves offer similar performance
> to other induction types but only over a narrow rpm range which is
> what I have planned for the engine. I plan to build an engine with a
> restrictive exhaust to ensure no fuel escapes. I have heard that
> piston ported engines can spit some fuel out of the carb at idle but
> this doesn't seem like a major problem. Rotary valves via crank shaft
> induction (disk or drum valves as well) is an interesting idea but I
> don't think I need the critical timing they provide.
>
> I was planning on using the largest two-stroke piston (not a diesel
> piston) I could find and using the largest stoke that was reasonable,
> something like 90x105mm
>
> Brock

I met a guy in Edmonton (St. Albert ) who made working models of
historical engines such as the Liberty engine. Really beautiful piece
of modeling and was featured in a modeling magazine. Its power/weight
output was not enough to power a model plane.

If your intention is to power a model plane you are much better off
buying a model engine and tinker with that to boost its performance.
Not much reward in building a two stroke engine from scratch. For a
large two stoke you can modify a weedwacker engine (25 cc) A
snowmobile engine powers those military drones.

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TOPIC: Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/30a39cd522bcf038?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:26 am
From: "�n�hw��f"

"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> clouded the waters of pure thought with
news:i66dnfPnFYkMSQzWnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@earthlink.com:

>
> "�n�hw��f" <snuhwolf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D325A3F0462Dsnuhwolfyahoocom@216.196.97.142...
>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> clouded the waters of pure thought
>> with news:cP6dnSyWUtFO1w3WnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>
>>>
>>> "�n�hw��f" <snuhwolf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9D315E3C6DC9Dsnuhwolfyahoocom@216.196.97.142...
>>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> clouded the waters of pure thought
>>>> with news:P4udnUrmxMY0jxLWnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:79jro5dgcsib56vksv0iujf1revhg7a1ol@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 20:25:48 -0600, in the land of
>>>>>> alt.usenet.kooks, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double
>>>>>> secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>>>>>message news:8lbho5dgke44ilg3bnu61g02kdltpmf7dv@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.h
>>>>>>>> tm l "Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives?"
>>>>>>>> [
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And I'm still asking are liberals smarter than a fence post!
>>>>>>>:-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>RogerN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I'll bet that the irony of you even having to ask that is
>>>>>> lost on you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> An underage girl has to get her parents permission to get an
>>>>> aspirin at school but not to get an abortion, a fence post
>>>>> can't come up with something that stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> RogerN
>>>>>
>>>> Your attempt to make a point is noted. However without a
>>>> reference its not credible.
>>>>
>>>> Discuss.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
>>>> cageprisoners.com|www.snuhwolf.9f.com|www.eyeonpalin.org
>>>> _____ ____ ____ __ /\_/\ __ _ ______ _____
>>>> / __/ |/ / / / / // // . . \\ \ |\ | / __ \ \ \ __\
>>>> _\ \/ / /_/ / _ / \ / \ \| \| \ \_\ \ \__\ _\
>>>> /___/_/|_/\____/_//_/ \_@_/ \__|\__|\____/\____\_\
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/abortion-rights-of-
>>> mi nors.html
>>
>> Varies according to state. So its a "states right" issue. If you
>> have a problem with that take it up with the 10th amendment to
>> the constitution.
>>
>>> http://parental-rights.suite101.com/article.cfm/parental_consent_
>>> an d_notification
>>
>> In the United States, most states will not allow minors to obtain
>> abortions without parental consent or notification.
>> According to the Guttmacher Institute, forty-four states have
>> laws on the books that require parental involvement...
>>
>> <shrugs>
>>
>>
>>> http://www.ehow.com/about_5472248_parental-consent-abortions.html
>>>
>> Since abortion was affirmed as a right in 1973, states have
>> needed to address how they were going to handle underage women
>> seeking to terminate their pregnancies. The first state to enact
>> parental involvement laws was Massachusetts, which chose to put
>> into place parental consent shortly after the right of abortion
>> was recognized.
>>
>> Your point?
>
> That underage girls need parents permission to get an asprin at
> school but not to get an abortion in some states.

Dont blame me. Blame "zero tolerance" bullshit and the DEA.

> There are
> health risks to consider, I don't remember the statistics but
> there are problems with depression, cancer, and other health risks
> to women that have abortions that should be considered.

Sure. Or its propaganda aimed at preventing women from being in
control of their bodies.

> I heard
> from a doctor that doctors are required to tell patients about
> complications and risks of all surgical proceedures except
> abortion,

I doubt that.
Sounds like tinfoil hat territory.

> the liberals have made or tried to make it illegal for a
> doctor to inform patients of the negative consequences of
> abortion.
>
Bullshit.

>>> A couple of other interesting liberal ideas:
>>> A man with no children goes to jail for not paying child
>>> support.
>>
>> Sounds absurd on the face of it. Prove its caused by EVIL
>> Liberals.
>
> Caused by the Bradley bill. Senator Bradley made it so a man
> owing child support can't get out of it no matter what. If he can
> scientifically prove he's not a parrent, he still owes the child
> support.

So its based on marriage and not DNA evidence?
Better get all yer sprogs checked to make sure they're *yours* then.
Too many fucking humans shitting up my pretty world anyway.
Stop pumping out all these mutant morons, man.

> A business can go bankrupt and be free of debt, not so
> with man owing child support. I was flown by helicopter to a
> hospital, in ICU 2 weeks, hospitalized for a couple months, didn't
> return to work for 3 months and had to pay every cent of child
> support even though I had no income, had enormous hospital bills,
> and was unable to go to court to get the order changed. I
> understand that deadbeat dads is what got the support behind such
> a bill but you don't punish paying dads because of those that
> don't pay. Actually I think the EVIL part is more on the
> politician, I have many liberal and conservative friends.
> Sometimes I think there is a larger separation between citizens
> and politicians than there is between political parties.
>

"Get tough" laws and 3-strikes laws and "zero tolerance" laws usually
wind up fucking up peoples lives. But it maeks the politician look
like he's "tough on crime" so it helps get the fucking dicks re-
elected. Reality is shades of grey for the most part. When you say,
death penalty for parking violations it sounds like fun, until you
get handed a parking ticket.
FYI

HTH

^_^

--
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
cageprisoners.com|www.snuhwolf.9f.com|www.eyeonpalin.org
_____ ____ ____ __ /\_/\ __ _ ______ _____
/ __/ |/ / / / / // // . . \\ \ |\ | / __ \ \ \ __\
_\ \/ / /_/ / _ / \ / \ \| \| \ \_\ \ \__\ _\
/___/_/|_/\____/_//_/ \_@_/ \__|\__|\____/\____\_\

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TOPIC: On Topic- Lets get rid of Cliff
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/61873515b3a556d7?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:29 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:hmms0t$k0$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <hmmoa9$f9p$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Hawke
> <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>You need to give some thought to how much you would actually have to say
>>if you kept to strictly metalworking topics. Most people here do
>>projects as a hobby, which means they are not doing new things every day
>>and they have long periods when they do little or nothing metal related.
>>If they stuck strictly to metalwork they would make a couple of posts
>>and then go away because they wouldn't have anything else to comment on.
>>If you make all the posts strictly about metalworking do you know how
>>small this newsgroup would be, and do you know how little you would
>>contribute?
>
> While it's true that many people here post about metalworking *and* on
> non-related topics, there are two regulars here who _almost never_ post
> anything related to metalworking, whose posts are almost always left-wing
> political rants of one sort or another -- and whose posts the group would
> IMHO
> be better off without.
>
> One of those regulars is the subject of this thread.
>
> The other one is you.

Not to mention the spillover into other groups, their posted shit attracts
the flies, so to speak, like me. I couldn't care less about metalworking and
would have never even known that this group exists if it wasn't for
cross-posting spammers like Cliff, Hack and TMT, whose main focus appear to
be gay fisting, political ignorance, and gun grabbing, respectfully in that
order.

Before these 3 amigos started cross-spamming into my groups,
rec.metalworking was an insignificant and irrelevant newsgroup to all issues
pertaining to me. Let's restore rec.metalworking to it's rightful place.

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:31 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Robert Swinney" <judybob@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:cpudnTkx-9A-jxLWnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Make that double kidos, Doug.
>
> Bob Swinney
> "Steve B" <deserttraver@fishymail.net> wrote in message
> news:mmb367-bpq2.ln1@news.infowest.com...
>
> "Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
> news:hmms0t$k0$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>> In article <hmmoa9$f9p$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Hawke
>> <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>You need to give some thought to how much you would actually have to say
>>>if you kept to strictly metalworking topics. Most people here do
>>>projects as a hobby, which means they are not doing new things every day
>>>and they have long periods when they do little or nothing metal related.
>>>If they stuck strictly to metalwork they would make a couple of posts
>>>and then go away because they wouldn't have anything else to comment on.
>>>If you make all the posts strictly about metalworking do you know how
>>>small this newsgroup would be, and do you know how little you would
>>>contribute?
>>
>> While it's true that many people here post about metalworking *and* on
>> non-related topics, there are two regulars here who _almost never_ post
>> anything related to metalworking, whose posts are almost always left-wing
>> political rants of one sort or another -- and whose posts the group would
>> IMHO
>> be better off without.
>>
>> One of those regulars is the subject of this thread.
>>
>> The other one is you.
>
> Kudos, Doug.
>
>
Triple kudos.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:38 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Ecnerwal" <MyNameForward@ReplaceWithMyVices.Com.invalid> wrote in message
news:MyNameForward-A4EB34.21290203032010@mail.eternal-september.org...
> If everyone stuck to metalworking, only, the group would improve
> immensely, since the people who presently leave in disgust when they
> come here to discuss metalworking would not have reason to leave, and
> jackasses who never or rarely post about metalworking (roughly two
> leftards, fifteen or so rightards, plus one or two "how do they even
> connect to the web"-tards that are more clueless than political) would
> probably dry up and blow away; or at least limit their output to
> metalworking when their political crap gets no response whatever, from
> anyone.
>
> In short, if you simply post about metalworking, that's a good thing. If
> you want to post about politics, there are groups for that, go there,
> post there, argue there - don't do it here, nobody here will miss your
> keen political insight, whichever direction you lean, wingnut, or rant.
>
> This will never happen, since all the -tards are -tards and can't manage
> to stop being -tards. But it would be really nice. We should try it.
>
> Since this isn't metalworking, I'm going to stop posting in this thread.
> Everyone else should give it a try, too.
>
> --
> Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

Yep, now if only you metalworking-tards could only figure out how to find
the proper political newsgroup to post to, Usenet could go back to being and
efficient place for exchange of ideas in the properly categorized areas. It
seems that it's the stupid political fucks who abuse this, it's often said
that when you are too stupid to learn anything else in life, take up
political science.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:42 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hmn0bs$791$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Click "message" at the top. Slide down. Click
> "block sender".
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
>
> "Robert Swinney" <judybob@tx.rr.com> wrote in
> message
> news:UrudnU1bsO-o6RPWnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@giganews.com...
> How does one go about killfilling in RCM? I am
> using Outlook Exress in Giganews reader.
>
> Bob Swinney
>
>

Oh great. The top-poster who still hasn't figured out how to quote properly
is giving his 2 cents worth.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:45 am
From: Ignoramus26053

On 2010-03-06, Burled Frau <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote:

What exactly are you trying to accomplish in this newsgroup?

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:47 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Ignoramus27796" <ignoramus27796@NOSPAM.27796.invalid> wrote in message
news:g92dnTMfMfY4VhPWnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> I killfile everything crossposted to survivalism, Cliff and a few more
> left wing and right wing kooks. My criteria is that the person whom I
> killfiling has nothing to contribute. It works out fairly well.
>
> I cannot killfile crossposts to alt.machines.cnc, for obvious
> reasons.
>
> I

Instead of killfiling posts crossposted to survivalism, please just trim
survivalism out of your reply. This would help immensely by stopping the
spam in survivalism. We really don't appreciate your spamming community that
spawned the likes of Cliff and Hack, and the freak with two mommies.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:50 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:SDCjn.10199$Jq1.1476@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
> Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
>>But you post more on politics than you do on metalworking. Guess what?
>>So do most people and that includes the people bitching right now.
>
> What were your recent metalworking projects?
>
> Wes
>

I recall Hack posting about a Titanium dildo he was working on that he was
looking forward to shoving up his ass.

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:52 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hmq7t1$8l9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 3/3/2010 5:21 PM, Ignoramus27796 wrote:
>> On 2010-03-04, Hawke<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just welded a patch panel on my CJ5. Did you want to hear all about
>>> it? I didn't think so.
>>
>> I would like to hear about that, personally.
>>
>>
>> i
>
> You're kidding, right? I mean, what is there to say about cutting a piece
> of sheet metal to the size of your hole and tack welding it in place?
> There's nothing to it. But if you really want to know what I did was
> remove a secondary gas tank that was under the driver's seat in my CJ5. I
> felt that a Jeep is dangerous enough that I don't need five gallons of
> fuel right under my ass that would go off like a bomb in an accident. But
> this left a good sized hole in the body on the drivers side near the door.
> Not much report about repairing it though. Getting the paint to match is
> going to be a lot more difficult.
>
> Hawke

Try to stay on-topic bozo. When he said he wanted to hear about it, he meant
for you to start your own thread. Didmn't you learn how to use a newsreader
in your poli-hack school?

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:54 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7e5d3944-df99-4cf6-ba89-034a5d286bcb@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 3, 6:58 am, Dave__67 <spamTHIS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I'm serious, if this was a meatspace community, the Cliffs would be
>> ejected by the community.
>>
>> Let's come up with some real-world sanctions/repercussions, get rid of
>> him, and then go after the next a-hole who takes his place.
>>
>> Lets go after this fucker- it's time to draw a line, and when someone
>> crosses that line, get rid of 'em. Make coming here sufficiently
>> painful he stops coming.
>>
>> First step- his real-world contact info. Someone's gotta have it.
>>
>> Dave
>
> Are you going to take out Gunner too?
>
> TMT

No. Gunner has added more useful metal information to the group then the
three of you cross-posting spammer combined.

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 9:09 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Ignoramus26053" <ignoramus26053@NOSPAM.26053.invalid> wrote in message
news:a4ydnSaJ7-M-Gw_WnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 2010-03-06, Burled Frau <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote:
>
> What exactly are you trying to accomplish in this newsgroup?
>
> I

Raise awareness and stop the cross-posting from your group into ours. It's
not as if we just showed up here, we were properly invited, dragging and
screaming. If you don't do something to keep your spawn on a short leash, we
may even get used to this place. Just keep your political hack discussions
here in r.c.m where they belong, and trim out our group when you crosspost.
Thanks for asking and for your consideration.

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 9:46 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 3, 10:36 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> On 3/3/2010 9:15 AM, Steve B wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Robert Swinney"<judy...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:UrudnU1bsO-o6RPWnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> How does one go about killfilling in RCM? I am using Outlook Exress in
> >> Giganews reader.
>
> > On my OE, I have the message line highlighted. Go up to MESSAGE, select the
> > BLOCK SENDER from drop down menu. Select YES when it asks if you want to
> > filter that person. POOF, GONE. But they will probably morph in a short
> > time, so you will have to do it again.
>
> > I go through, and if someone is questionable, I look to see how many posts
> > they make on actual metalwork. If they don't make any or many, they go.
> > But some guys here know a lot about metalworking, and like to get into the
> > political mud wrestling, too. So it's a judgment call. When someone posts
> > something so stupid or offensive or profane that I know what kind of a
> > person they are, I have a one strike rule, thinking that it's likely that
> > they will never say anything meaningful, and if they ever do, I won't miss
> > much.
>
> > HTH
>
> > Steve
>
> You need to give some thought to how much you would actually have to say
> if you kept to strictly metalworking topics. Most people here do
> projects as a hobby, which means they are not doing new things every day
> and they have long periods when they do little or nothing metal related.
> If they stuck strictly to metalwork they would make a couple of posts
> and then go away because they wouldn't have anything else to comment on.
> If you make all the posts strictly about metalworking do you know how
> small this newsgroup would be, and do you know how little you would
> contribute? I bet the majority of your posts have no metalworking
> content. The truth of the matter is there is not enough metal content to
> keep everyone interested so the topics go a lot more to current events.
> I think it adds to the group. A lot of metalworking subjects people post
> about have no interest except for a few people. You restrict the group
> to just metalworking and you wind up with a very tiny group. Some people
> would be happy with that but from the way it is now most would not like
> that.
>
> Hawke

But this group is suppose to be just metalworking. And way back in
the past posts on metalworking were the majority of what was posted.
And if it were that way again, it would not be a tiny group. Many
people no longer read or post here because there are so much off topic
posts. I can think of three that posted on metalworking that no
longer read the group. People that posted things I liked to read.

I think we ought to ask Cliff to leave RCM off the groups when he
starts a thread on anything that is not on topic. Since he is the
most prolific poster that would be a good start. Then look at the rcm
statistics and find who is then the most prolific poster. And if it
is someone that posts only OT items, ask them to please not include
RCM in the groups their messages are posted to.

Dan

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TOPIC: Sarah Palin Promotional Spot
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e691141bc9adec?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:35 am
From: No-bammer

Cliff wrote:

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/sarah-palin-promotional-s_b_487584.html
> "Sarah Palin Promotional Spot (Version 1)"

She just scares the fuck out of you, doesn't she?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 9:03 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"No-bammer" <no-bammer-@fgi.net> wrote in message
news:cYednTNkB8v3GQ_WnZ2dnUVZ_qoAAAAA@earthlink.com...
> Cliff wrote:
>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/sarah-palin-promotional-s_b_487584.html
>> "Sarah Palin Promotional Spot (Version 1)"
>
> She just scares the fuck out of you, doesn't she?

Trimming down to 3 groups, thanks.

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TOPIC: Wingers keep lying !!!
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Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:42 am
From: No-bammer

Cliff wrote: LEFT WINGERS keep lying

You got that right.

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TOPIC: Socialist Palin works for Hugo Chavez
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Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:46 am
From: "�n�hw��f"

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the waters
of pure thought with
news:s4g4p51bb741s040qs0qajt3lk6hibcas6@4ax.com:

>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akmuckraker/the-palins-socialist-snow
> _b_488015.html [
> ....
> But, a closer look shows us that the Palins seem to be padding
> their pockets from a surprising source.
>
> It turns out that Mystik Lubricants is owned by... wait for it ...
> Citgo. Yes, that same Citgo that's owned by Venezuela. Socialist
> Venezuela. Socialist, Hugo Chavez lovin', Venezuela.
>
> Oops.
>
> Guess they should have heeded the advice Sarah Palin gave to
> President Obama:
>
> "Now is not the time to experiment with socialism!"
>
> The socialist snowmachine even makes an appearance in a recent
> commercial for this year's Iditarod Sled Dog Race.
> ....
>]
>

Dude, Palins not experimenting with socialism. She knows it works.

BUY ALL YER GAS AT CITGO!

^_^

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TOPIC: Annealing brass and other non ferrous metals
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Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:47 am
From: "Buerste"

"Larry Jaques" <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
news:bpq4p5pg40s80idj43985tcp2om4r2qkqs@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:43:49 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
> <gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 08:44:36 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
>><stevenospam@lusardi.de> wrote:
>>
>>>Gunner,
>>>I do not normally disagree with you, but this time for sure. Lead
>>>hardening is performed by alloying the lead with other elements,
>>>not heat treatment.
>>>Steve <G>
>>
>>Take your basic batch of wheel weight lead..which Brinnels about
>>9-10..and as you cast each one, dump it into a 5 gal bucket of water.
>>
>>Measure them again in 3 days for hardness. You will find that they
>>hardened up to about 21-23 Brinnel and will stay that way for at least 4
>>yrs.
>>
>>Dont believe me?
>>
>>http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/alloyhardness/index.asp
>>
>>http://www.lasc.us/HeatTreat.htm
>>
>>I cast nearly all my rifle bullets over a 5 gallon bucket of water. I
>>average Brinell of 21 with basic wheelweights after a couple days and if
>>I use a Lead/Antimony alloy...I can get up to nearly 35 Brinell.
>
> With the exception of the brief touch on obduration, the benefits of
> quenching bullets weren't really covered in either article.
>
> Why do you want harder bullets, Gunner? Penetration? Proper
> obduration for the best velocity/performance on its flight? Or what?
>
> Don't softer bullets fragment and/or widen better to stop the perps
> quicker?
>
> --
> The blind are not good trailblazers.
>
> -- federal judge Frank Easterbrook

Harder bullets will go faster without leading the barrel. But, there is a
balance needed. Too hard and too slow and it won't obdurate and fill the
bore and you get gas leakage and gas cutting.and it might disintegrate on
impact or overpenetrate, To soft and it leads the barrel, The rifling will
not grip the soft lead like a striped screw.
Read this:
http://www.lasc.us/HeatTreat.htm

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 9:05 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 6, 2:24 pm, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

> They'll also quench harden if the alloy contains a little antimony. Then
> they age soften.
>
> Check out this fairly good writeup:
>
> http://www.tacticoolproducts.com/bullethardness/
>

> LLoyd

I don't have much reason to test lead hardness, but the site you
provided seems to know about lead hardness. So I stand corrected on
lead alloys.

Dan

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TOPIC: Blacksmith tooling pix, hand and machine
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Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:57 am
From: Brian Lawson

Hey again Pete,

And Thanks for the answer.

It would have taken some time and funds to construct all that I bet.
Probably allowed the blacksmith to go do some work in the middle of
the night without a helper!! You know, right after the middle of the
night argument with SWMBO !!

Tnaks a agian.

Brian Lawson.
XXXXXXXXXXXX
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:07:24 -0600, spaco <spaco@baldwin-telecom.net>
wrote:

>There's a big wooden drive axle (about a foot in diameter) that is
>rotated by the water wheel.
>For some reason I think many of that kind of water wheel run at about 9
>rpm. Don't ask me why. I think this drive axle was geared so it
>operated the hammer at about at about 20 blows per minute.
> There were, I think, 4 short wooden pins sticking out of the axle.
>As that shaft rotates, each pin pushes DOWN on the tail end of the
>helve, pushing the hammer end up. When the tail of the helve comes off
>the end of the pin, the helve and hammer drop to the anvil with the
>speed of gravity.
> Many of us had the chance to try it ourselves. The interesting thing
>was that the hammer head clamps the workpiece between blows, so it takes
>a lot of heat out of the work just sitting there. It's a wierd feeling
>when you are used to a "modern" (1890's) Little Giant power hammer
>where the hammer is only on the workpiece for small fraction of the
>cycle, at 325 to 375 blows per minute.
>
>Glad you asked,
>Pete Stanaitis
>-------------------
>
>Brian Lawson wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:51:13 -0600, spaco <spaco@baldwin-telecom.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Back in 1999, we took an ABANA European tour to Germany, Austria and the Czech Republic. We saw lots of neat stuff. We took lots of pictures using an ancient art called "film photography". So it took a long time for me to decide to scan these babies in and process them for best results.
>>>>Here, in this new webpage, I have some pix of blacksmith tooling, both hand and machine, that, I hope, you will find of some interest:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.spaco.org/Blacksmithing/Pictures/Eurotools/EuroToolGallery1.htm
>>>>
>>>>Pete Stanaitis
>>>>---------------------
>>
>> Hey Pete,
>>
>> NEAT!!! What was the "drive principle" of the water-powered
>> trip-hammer (last pix)??
>>
>> Brian Lawson,
>> Bothwell, Ontario

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 9:35 am
From: spaco

Yes. It was in a 16th century "factory" in Austria. The factory was
built on both sides of the mountain stream that fed it. The building
was about a city block long. The stream actually went under the center
of the building, but they had built an overhead flume that fed water to
the various water wheels and machines. There were walkways that
communicated with the halves of the building. You had to duck to walk
under the flume, which dripped profusely as you scrambled under it.
The floors were sorta carved out of the rock of the mountain. At
points, there would be chunks of rock sticking up 5 inches or so in the
middle of the passageways, and of course, the floor wasn't level hardly
anwhere. Quite a place!

Pete Stanaitis
-----------------

Brian Lawson wrote:
> Hey again Pete,
>
> And Thanks for the answer.
>
> It would have taken some time and funds to construct all that I bet.
> Probably allowed the blacksmith to go do some work in the middle of
> the night without a helper!! You know, right after the middle of the
> night argument with SWMBO !!
>
> Tnaks a agian.
>
> Brian Lawson.
> XXXXXXXXXXXX
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:07:24 -0600, spaco <spaco@baldwin-telecom.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>There's a big wooden drive axle (about a foot in diameter) that is
>>rotated by the water wheel.
>>For some reason I think many of that kind of water wheel run at about 9
>>rpm. Don't ask me why. I think this drive axle was geared so it
>>operated the hammer at about at about 20 blows per minute.
>> There were, I think, 4 short wooden pins sticking out of the axle.
>>As that shaft rotates, each pin pushes DOWN on the tail end of the
>>helve, pushing the hammer end up. When the tail of the helve comes off
>>the end of the pin, the helve and hammer drop to the anvil with the
>>speed of gravity.
>> Many of us had the chance to try it ourselves. The interesting thing
>>was that the hammer head clamps the workpiece between blows, so it takes
>>a lot of heat out of the work just sitting there. It's a wierd feeling
>>when you are used to a "modern" (1890's) Little Giant power hammer
>>where the hammer is only on the workpiece for small fraction of the
>>cycle, at 325 to 375 blows per minute.
>>
>>Glad you asked,
>>Pete Stanaitis
>>-------------------
>>
>>Brian Lawson wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:51:13 -0600, spaco <spaco@baldwin-telecom.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Back in 1999, we took an ABANA European tour to Germany, Austria and the Czech Republic. We saw lots of neat stuff. We took lots of pictures using an ancient art called "film photography". So it took a long time for me to decide to scan these babies in and process them for best results.
>>>>>Here, in this new webpage, I have some pix of blacksmith tooling, both hand and machine, that, I hope, you will find of some interest:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.spaco.org/Blacksmithing/Pictures/Eurotools/EuroToolGallery1.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>Pete Stanaitis
>>>>>---------------------
>>>
>>>Hey Pete,
>>>
>>>NEAT!!! What was the "drive principle" of the water-powered
>>>trip-hammer (last pix)??
>>>
>>>Brian Lawson,
>>>Bothwell, Ontario

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TOPIC: I was almost impounded, laptop saved me
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Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 8:59 am
From: "Buerste"

"Ignoramus28336" <ignoramus28336@NOSPAM.28336.invalid> wrote in message
news:WJednfHkR_qiXgzWnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 2010-03-05, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>> Ignoramus28336 <ignoramus28336@NOSPAM.28336.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>details later
>>
>> Well since you managed to post this it sounds like you are walking free.
>> Curiousity
>> piqued.
>
> I rented a lowboy and picked up the mill. I was going slowly and
> stoped to check that the straps are tight. A police car pulled by and
> the officer asked if I was OK, I said yes, thank you Sir. After a few
> words exchanged, I continued on my way. The policeman followed me a
> bit and then flashed his lights. This time he asked for DL and
> insurance, which I produced. He told me that my truck was missing some
> kind of sticker about its certification to carry weight. I do not
> remember what it is exactly and will find out.
>
> Then he came back and told me that my class D drivers license allows
> me to only pull vehicles with total weight rating of up to 22,000 lbs
> (says on the license), and the capacity of my vehicle and trailer was
> 26,000 lbs. So, according to them (another one pulled up) I was in
> violation and not permitted to drive this weight rating due to
> deficient drivers license. My trailer was to be impounded (it is a
> rental!) and the impound fee was $500.
>
> I was, as you can imagine, very excited about the prospect of this
> mill being snowed on in the impound lot while I find ways to get it
> out or get a Class C license. The impound fee was what I paid for the
> mill.
>
> Then a tow truck pulled by to impound my trailer.
>
> I asked the police officers "are you sure about this" and they said
> yes, and yet I wondered how a rental agency would let me rent this.
>
> I had a laptop with me and it had a special wireless broadband
> card. So, I googled "Illinois class C license weight" and found this
> page:
>
> http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/drivers/drivers_license/il_license_class.html
>
> It said that Class D license allows: ``Any single vehicle with a GVWR
> of 16,000 pounds or less towing any vehicle providing the GCWR does
> not exceed 26,000 pounds.''
>
> I was not exceeding that. The rental guys did not give me a trailer
> that I could not tow.
>
> I showed this to the police officers , they talked a bit and then told
> me that they are giving me the "benefit of the doubt" and that
> Illinois is all screwed up because of conflicting laws. I ended up
> still being fined with that sticker fine, but let go. Not many people
> drive away happy because of a police stop and a $75 fine.
>
> So I wonder whether this was an honest mistake on their part, or
> not. I tend to think that it was an honest mistake on their part.
>
> i

On a four lane road, I was driving East-bound while a school bus was stopped
with red lights flashing in the West-bound curb lane. I kept driving. A
cop pulls me over and is about to ticket me for not stopping for the school
bus. I JUST happen to have the Ohio road rules book and pointed out to the
cop that I don't have to stop on a four lane road. He was young and
embarrassed and called in to check the law. He let me go but said I should
stop anyway for the kid's sake. I said I would and that was a good idea.
ALWAYS give a way to save face to a guy with a gun.

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Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 9:02 am
From: "Burled Frau"

"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e9838cc9-ae28-40ef-ba63-bb82561d20bc@w27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 5, 11:01 am, Ray <6sickstri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Are survivalism and self sufficiency ever actually discussed here,
>
> We did all the survival talk back before Y2K.
>
> or
>> do y'all just sit around and whine like cunts all day because you
>> don't like democracy since the last election?
>
> Then the Bobs... Bob Brock (Doush-alion), Winston Smith, and Cur-Lee
> Scummudgeon (Albert Lee) started in on the political stuff.
>
> Cliffie, TMT, Hawke, Dan and Carrol chimed in.
>
> Cliffie and TMT are the #1 and #2 political thread starters on this
> group. I think they are on the payroll of a Soros political action
> group.
>
>> Seems to me it would be a good time to learn how to do some stuff for
>> yourself. No matter what political philiosophy you might think you
>> support, the more you can do for yourself the less likely you are to
>> be screwed by whichever powers-that-be you dislike the most, the
>> corporate oligarchy or the federal government.
>
> These guys do something for themselves???
>
> Ummm, the Bobs want free health care. Well, not exactly free, they
> want it to be free for them. They want me to pay for it.
>
>> But as long as they keep people fighting like children they will
>> continue to rule us all.
>
> The survival greats like Geoffrey Hardin are long gone.
>
>
>

If rec.metalworking would keep a tighter leash on their spawn, we could all
go back to on-topic posting instead of listening to their political
insecurities.

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Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 9:16 am
From: Bruce L. Bergman

On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:01:39 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:40:38 -0800, "Bill McKee"
><bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>>Funny story about gas powered, trailer welders. I borrowed my dad's one day
>>to work on my race car, before I owned a welder. Taking back to dad, the
>>tongue decided to break off. Nice thing about it, that the welder is self
>>powered. Cranked up the welder on the side of a street in Berkeley, CA and
>>rewelded the tongue. Always figured the local's would have complained about
>>welding without a special permit.
>
>I brought home tonight a Hobart Bro. (ages that a bit dont it?) trailer
>mounted welder. 250 amp DC, with a 6 cylinder gas engine. Story I got
>was that it came off a Liberty ship.
>
>Had to cough up $60 for two used 16" tires. Damnedest wheels Ive ever
>seen. No hole in the center of the rim, just a bulge so it clears the
>wheel nut.
>
>Ill post pictures later today.

If you need confirmation that the Liberty Ships carried them, my
B-I-L is a Lane Victory crewman. I'll bet they have reference
materials that can either confirm or eliminate it.

"Hobart Brothers" is a huge clue. Chrysler six? They used them on
all the Searchlight generators.

(Welcome home, and please ease up on the trolls. Other than them
railing on about you "running away", it's been quiet. QuietER...)

--<< Bruce >>--

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