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TOPIC: Security for wingers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e56c2d721c49d129?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 7:05 am
From: Gerald Abrahamson

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:52:28 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

> http://www.idstronghold.com/Credit-Card-RFID-Blocking-Sleeves/products/5/
> "designed to shieldi RFID signals and protect a single identification, credit
>card, debit card, transit card, mifare card, passport card, TWIC or enhanced
>drivers license."

Reynolds must hold the market for aluminum foil hats....

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TOPIC: Largest Ever Coprolites
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/81ae4d3ff06ad686?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 7:06 am
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

On 3/2/2010 6:10 AM, Cliff wrote:
>
> http://glossynews.com/other-world-games/news-in-brief/201003012049/largest-ever-coprolites-found-half-buried-in-palin%e2%80%99s-back-yard/
> "Largest Ever Coprolites Found Half Buried in Palin�s Back Yard"
> [
> Last week, while Sarah Palin was busy making her rounds on the Tea Party
> circuit, expounding her views on who is and who is not a true Patriot, a group
> of Palintologists were busy digging up dirt in Palin�s own back yard. Reports
> are slowly coming in from Wasilla that one of the largest coprolites ever found
> was dug up just feet from Sarah�s back porch.
>
> When Palin was advised of the find, she is reported as saying �I don�t know what
> the heck you�re talking about. I don�t have any corporate executives buried in
> my back yard, for heaven�s sake.�
> ]

is Palin a paleontologist(or a Palineotoligist)? Why would she in
particular know or care about coprolites(petrified dung)?

*TALK ABOUT TRYING TO DIG UP SHIT ON PALIN, THIS IS A BIT EXTREME*

You guys dig up really old shit.

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TOPIC: Docs to Chimpbama: You drink too much!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3f4c5be11e10a39a?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 7:49 am
From: Deucalion

On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:18:59 -0800, Hawke
<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>
>>>>> The doctors also recommended "moderation of alcohol intake".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> as compared to Bush who was an alcoholic?
>>>
>>> You mean Obama the alcoholic. Bush didn't drink. Why do you think Obama's
>>> doctors told him to moderate his alcohol intake? Certainly they weren't
>>> thinking that he drank too little and needed to moderate it up. Makes sense,
>>> cigarette smoking, crack snorting, and now this. The man is a weak tit.
>>>
>> Doctors ALWAYS recommend moderation of alcohol intake. According to
>> doctors more than one drink a day is too much. A doctor telling Obama
>> to use moderation is normal, all doctors say that to anyone who drinks
>> socially. An Bush did drink. He is an alcoholic. They hid it from
>> the press, but he still drank. Remember the prestel incident? He
>> fell down and choked on a pretzel because he was drunk. And he was a
>> spoiled rich boy coke head when he was a cheerleader in college too.
>
>You're correct. What doctors call moderate alcohol intake is one drink a
>couple of times a week. Personally, I never met anyone who drank that
>little. Anybody that drinks has more than one and more than once or
>twice a week. If you drink less than that you don't drink at all. If you
>go by the doctor's standards Burled Frau is an alcoholic. Of course, he
>is by anybody else's standard too. That's what has caused the loss of so
>many of his brain cells. Even more proof is that he actually believes
>republican propaganda.

My last doctor's visit the question of alcohol consumption came up. I
told the doctor that I only drink on special occasions like Christmas,
New Years, July 4, etc. and then only drink beer. He asked how much I
drink and I told him that a case of beer lasted me and my wife for a
year.

Yes, I got the "You need to cut back on alcohol consumption" speech
too and promptly ignored it.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:50 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:18:59 -0800, Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net>
wrote:

>>>>> The doctors also recommended "moderation of alcohol intake".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> as compared to Bush who was an alcoholic?
>>>
>>> You mean Obama the alcoholic. Bush didn't drink. Why do you think
>>> Obama's doctors told him to moderate his alcohol intake? Certainly
>>> they weren't thinking that he drank too little and needed to moderate
>>> it up. Makes sense, cigarette smoking, crack snorting, and now this.
>>> The man is a weak tit.
>>>
>> Doctors ALWAYS recommend moderation of alcohol intake. According to
>> doctors more than one drink a day is too much. A doctor telling Obama
>> to use moderation is normal, all doctors say that to anyone who drinks
>> socially. An Bush did drink. He is an alcoholic. They hid it from
>> the press, but he still drank. Remember the prestel incident? He fell
>> down and choked on a pretzel because he was drunk. And he was a
>> spoiled rich boy coke head when he was a cheerleader in college too.
>
> You're correct. What doctors call moderate alcohol intake is one drink a
> couple of times a week. Personally, I never met anyone who drank that
> little. Anybody that drinks has more than one and more than once or
> twice a week. If you drink less than that you don't drink at all.

There are a few of us. I drink a six-pack of beer per year and a bottle
of wine lasts me a week with meals. That's it. There really are a few
of us who drink in moderation.

> If you
> go by the doctor's standards Burled Frau is an alcoholic. Of course, he
> is by anybody else's standard too. That's what has caused the loss of so
> many of his brain cells. Even more proof is that he actually believes
> republican propaganda.

You mean Libby Loo/Basil Karlo/Pig Brick/Jerry/Burled Frau/...

> Hawke

--
Regards, Curly
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Democrats: Party Without a Spine
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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:52 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:24:34 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Might be a cultural thing? He's showing his Kenyan nationality?

That you even pose such a question shows just how insane you are. Then
we run into your sig line and find you're crazier than that.

> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:59 am
From: hal

On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:52:55 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
<CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:24:34 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
><cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Might be a cultural thing? He's showing his Kenyan nationality?
>
>That you even pose such a question shows just how insane you are. Then
>we run into your sig line and find you're crazier than that.

Don't concern yourself with Chris. He's living proof of what happens
when first cousins marry.

I hear the guy can play a mean banjo though.

>
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> www.lds.org
>
>--
>Regards, Curly
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Republicans: Party Without a Conscious
> Democrats: Party Without a Spine
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TOPIC: Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/30a39cd522bcf038?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:07 am
From: grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)

rangerssuck <rangerssuck@gmail.com> wrote in
news:10c2786a-0588-4855-b51e-38274d49df29@e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 1, 11:06�pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
> wrote:
>> rangerssuck <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:b40a6bd6-9066-4ba1-a709-db6199eca54d@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 28, 11:58 pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
>> > wrote:
>> >> rangerssuck <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> innews:feb8a368-cd22-4aba-9085-08e83e343bf5@e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.co
>> >> m:
>>
>> >> > On Feb 27, 11:26 pm, ozarkhe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:51:39 -0800 (PST), rangerssuck
>>
>> >> >> <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Feb 27, 11:51 am, Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:43:05 -0500, in the land of
>> >> >> >> alt.usenet.kooks, Beam Me Up Scotty
>> >> >> >> <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-dog.com> got double secret
>> >> >> >> probation for writing:
>>
>> >> >> >> >On 2/27/2010 10:37 AM, Aratzio wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:40:13 -0500, in the land of
>> >> >> >> >> alt.usenet.kooks, Beam Me Up Scotty
>> >> >> >> >> <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-dog.com> got double secret
>> >> >> >> >> probation for writing:
>>
>> >> >> >> >>> What was the Basis for "intelligence" was it problem
>> >> >> >> >>> solving, Liberals are a big fat ugly zero when it comes to
>> >> >> >> >>> being problem solvers, they live in Utopia-land and they
>> >> >> >> >>> solve gas problems by riding their Unicorns to work every
>> >> >> >> >>> day.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Nothing ironical about declaring your opponent delusional by
>> >> >> >> >> describing your delusional depiction of them.
>>
>> >> >> >> >humor is powerful.
>>
>> >> >> >> I agree, nothing quite as funny as someone dumb as a stump
>> >> >> >> expounding that their *common sense* trumps actual
>> >> >> >> intelligence.
>>
>> >> >> >This is reminding me an awful lot of an incident with my boss, a
>> >> >> >real winger, about 30 years ago. I was designing a rather
>> >> >> >complicated piece of computer equipment, and he was writing the
>> >> >> >manual. He asked me to read it. It was full of bad grammar and
>> >> >> >misspelled words. I pointed this out to him, trying to be
>> >> >> >diplomatic. He replied, "The New York Times is written on a sixth
>> >> >> >grade reading level." I explained to him that when they say that,
>> >> >> >they mean that the Times can be read by a sixth grader, not that
>> >> >> >it was written by a sixth grader. His response was along the
>> >> >> >lines of, "Well, you don't want to sound too smart, it will scare
>> >> >> >the customers."
>>
>> >> >> >Sheesh
>>
>> >> >> I know what you mean. I recall the leftwing nut who told me that
>> >> >> it would be eay to feed all the homeless people, just let them eat
>> >> >> at McD's and send the government the bill - and she was dead
>> >> >> serious.
>>
>> >> > Yes, they are out there - on both sides. the same *RIGHT* wing boss
>> >> > who had the bad grammar suggested that the entire middle-east
>> >> > conflict could be solved if all the Israelis (about 3.5 million at
>> >> > the time, IFRC) would just get on planes with all there belongings
>> >> > and go, maybe, to Australia. And HE was dead serious.
>>
>> >> > Idiocy know no political boundaries.
>>
>> >> Y'all want to provide a reference for that or shall we just take your
>> >> word for it?
>>
>> > I think it's been thoroughly demonstrated in this group.
>>
>> Big sigh. I had no idea illiteracy was so prevalent.
>>
>> I was referring to the claim that a right winf "boss" suggested that the
>> Israelis leave Israel.
>>
>> You aren't that stupid are you?
>>
>> --
>
> Oh, excuse me, I left my tape recorder home that day. This was a
> conversation between me and the guy who signed my pay checks 30 years
> ago. What did you think I was talking about?
>

I believed you were referin to a public figure, my apologies. That does sound
pretty stupid, though. Truthfully though I've never heard any conservative
ever suggest the Israelis leave. Your exboss my have thought he was right
wing, you may have though he was due to your own beleifs, but that is ahrdly a
genuien right wing position. Did he also think America would be better if the
blacks would get on a boat and go back to Africa? Cause if he did 30 years ago
he would have been a Democrat.

--
God, guns and guts made America great.

And Janet Napolitano nervous.

Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:31 am
From: grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)

rangerssuck <rangerssuck@gmail.com> wrote in
news:40b8cc19-a988-4b82-97bd-f8e036d82440@f35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 1, 8:53 pm, ozarkhe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:41:15 -0800 (PST), rangerssuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Mar 1, 12:45 am, ozarkhe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:24:11 -0800 (PST), rangerssuck
>>
>> >> <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Feb 27, 11:26 pm, ozarkhe...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:51:39 -0800 (PST), rangerssuck
>>
>> >> >> <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Feb 27, 11:51 am, Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:43:05 -0500, in the land of
>> >> >> >> alt.usenet.kooks, Beam Me Up Scotty
>> >> >> >> <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-dog.com> got double
>> >> >> >> secret probation for writing:
>>
>> >> >> >> >On 2/27/2010 10:37 AM, Aratzio wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:40:13 -0500, in the land of
>> >> >> >> >> alt.usenet.kooks, Beam Me Up Scotty
>> >> >> >> >> <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-dog.com> got double
>> >> >> >> >> secret probation for writing:
>>
>> >> >> >> >>> What was the Basis for "intelligence" was it problem
>> >> >> >> >>> solving, Liberals are a big fat ugly zero when it comes to
>> >> >> >> >>> being problem solvers, they live in Utopia-land and they
>> >> >> >> >>> solve gas problems by riding their Unicorns
>> >> >> >> >>> to work every day.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Nothing ironical about declaring your opponent delusional by
>> >> >> >> >> describing your delusional depiction of them.
>>
>> >> >> >> >humor is powerful.
>>
>> >> >> >> I agree, nothing quite as funny as someone dumb as a stump
>> >> >> >> expounding that their *common sense* trumps actual
>> >> >> >> intelligence.
>>
>> >> >> >This is reminding me an awful lot of an incident with my boss, a
>> >> >> >real winger, about 30 years ago. I was designing a rather
>> >> >> >complicated piece of computer equipment, and he was writing the
>> >> >> >manual. He asked me to read it. It was full of bad grammar and
>> >> >> >misspelled words. I pointed this out to him, trying to be
>> >> >> >diplomatic. He replied, "The New York Times is written on a sixth
>> >> >> >grade reading level." I explained to him that when they say that,
>> >> >> >they mean that the Times can be read by a sixth grader, not that
>> >> >> >it was written by a sixth grader. His response was along the
>> >> >> >lines of, "Well, you don't want to sound too smart, it will
>> >> >> >scare the customers."
>>
>> >> >> >Sheesh
>>
>> >> >> I know what you mean. I recall the leftwing nut who told me that
>> >> >> it would be eay to feed all the homeless people, just let them eat
>> >> >> at McD's and send the government the bill - and she was dead
>> >> >> serious.
>>
>> >> >Yes, they are out there - on both sides. the same *RIGHT* wing boss
>> >> >who had the bad grammar suggested that the entire middle-east
>> >> >conflict could be solved if all the Israelis (about 3.5 million at
>> >> >the time, IFRC) would just get on planes with all there belongings
>> >> >and go, maybe, to Australia. And HE was dead serious.
>>
>> >> >Idiocy know no political boundaries.
>>
>> >> Indeed; but it seems to flourishthe best on the left
>>
>> >That's YOUR opinion.
>>
>> Yep - and that is what America is all about. Left wingers want to remove
>> that.
>
> Want to remove what? Opposing opinions? I guess I never got that memo
> from headquarters. On the other hand, you can look right here in this
> group and see who killfiles whom. It is virtually all right wingers
> who can't stand to read the posts of those on the left.
>

More correctly the rightwingers get tired of the name calling and irational
ravings. One is not required under any circumstances to endure the rantings of
a fool. He may rant at length if that is his choice but there is no
requirement that I stand and listen to him. On balance there are other
activities that are a much better use of my time.

--
God, guns and guts made America great.

And Janet Napolitano nervous.

Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:36 am
From: "�n�hw��f"

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the waters
of pure thought with
news:fgcoo51vi5lvcbfclibe4joko10cfp284s@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:32:58 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
> <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2/28/2010 11:37 AM, �n�hw��f wrote:
>>> Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> clouded the waters of pure
>>> thought with news:lcjio51m889kftu4aqa94e1t4b58obk7c1@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:45:01 -0600, in the land of
>>> alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>> "�n�hw��f" <snuhwolf@yahoo.com> got double secret probation for
>>>> writing:
>>>>
>>>>> Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com>
>>>>> clouded the waters of pure thought with
>>>>> news:4b891ec4$0$2102$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/27/2010 12:39 AM, Cliff wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.h
>>>>>>> tml "Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives?"
>>>>>>> [
>>>>>>> The notion that liberals are smarter than conservatives is
>>>>>>> familiar to anyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .....Who ever listened to a pampas Liberal speaking?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> who has spent time on a college campus. The College
>>>>>>> Democrats
>>> are
>>>>>>> said to be ugly, smug and intellectual; the College
>>>>>>> Republicans, pretty, belligerent and dumb. There's enough
>>>>>>> truth in both stereotypes that the vast majority of college
>>>>>>> students opt not
>>> to
>>>>>>> join either club.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But are liberals actually smarter? A libertarian (and, as
>>>>>>> such, nonpartisan) researcher, Satoshi Kanazawa of the
>>>>>>> London School
>>> of
>>>>>>> Economics and Political Science, has just written a paper
>>>>>>> that
>>> is
>>>>>>> set to be published in March by the journal Social
>>>>>>> Psychology Quarterly. The paper investigates not only
>>>>>>> whether conservatives are dumber than liberals but also why
>>>>>>> that might be so. ... The short answer: Kanazawa's paper
>>>>>>> shows that more-intelligent people are more
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What was the Basis for "intelligence" was it problem
>>>>>> solving, Liberals are a big fat ugly zero when it comes to
>>>>>> being problem solvers, they live in Utopia-land and they
>>>>>> solve gas problems by riding their Unicorns to work every
>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> likely to say they are liberal. They are also less likely to
>>>>>>> say they go to religious services. These aren't entirely new
>>>>>>> findings; last year, for example, a British team found that
>>>>>>> kids with higher intelligence scores were more likely
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is Intelligence equal to "smart" NO. Are intelligent people
>>>>>> more practical than the Average person, NO. Just the
>>>>>> opposite, intelligent people are some of the most irrational
>>>>>> people I have ever met and they can seldom function in the
>>>>>> real world and end
>>> up
>>>>>> stuck in Academia where they can't get themselves in too much
>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to grow into adults who vote for Liberal Democrats, even
>>>>>>> after the researchers controlled for socioeconomics. What's
>>>>>>> new in Kanazawa's paper is a provocative theory about why
>>>>>>> intelligence might correlate with liberalism. He argues that
>>>>>>> smarter people are more willing to espouse "evolutionarily
>>>>>>> novel" values � that is, values that did not exist in our
>>>>>>> ancestral environment, including weird ideas about, say,
>>>>>>> helping genetically unrelated strangers (liberalism, as
>>>>>>> Kanazawa defines it), which never
>>> would
>>>>>>> have occurred to us back when we had to hunt to feed our own
>>> clan
>>>>>>> and our only real technology was fire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He should have quit at "espouse evolutionary novel" and
>>>>>> realized that egg heads are already evolutionary misfits from
>>>>>> the Island
>>> of
>>>>>> egg head Misfits. They love to espouse ridiculous ideas that
>>>>>> are of little value but even crazy people stumble onto the
>>>>>> truth once in a while, yet we don't call them genius... *or
>>>>>> do we* .......?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Wow...just *wow*...you did a better job of supporting Cliff's
>>>>> argumentative thesis than I ever could! And I had a funny
>>>>> caveman example to make the point about conservatives vs
>>>>> liberals to interject.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good Job!
>>>>>
>>>>> <golf clap>
>>>>
>>>> It would not be so frightening if they did not actually believe
>>> that
>>>> their stupidity is actually an advantage.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Its got packaging going for it :)
>>> Teh bumper stickrz is way easy to memorize!
>>>
>>>> As long as there are people like Imhofe allowed to serve in
>>>> public office the country is fucked.
>>>>
>>
>>Here we go again, down that long empty road of Liberalism telling
>>us that they are the only ones smart enough to rule the humans.
>>Omnipotent and arrogant and just plain wrong. So how intelligent
>>do you need to be to get it that wrong?
>
> The actual problem is probably that the liberals keep saving the
> wingers;
> otherwise Darwin would get most of them over time.
>
Blue states support the red states via tax revenue and general
economic productivity.

>>
>>> Its been fucked since FZ started singing about how fucked it was
>>> in the 60's.
>>> Its just getting worse.
>>>
>>
>>The farther to the left we go the worse it gets? HHHhhhmmm who'd
>>a thunk it?
>
> Wingers reproduce.
> Nobody quite understands why.
>
Stupid people breed easily since they dont consider the consequences
of *anything*.

NP: FZ -Hot Rats

>>> NP: Freak Out
>>>

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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:37 am
From: "�n�hw��f"

Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> clouded
the waters of pure thought with news:4b8c40d4$0$11398
$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:

> On 3/1/2010 4:34 PM, Cliff wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:47:20 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
>> <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Liberals are dum.
>>
>> Try spelling lessons.
>> It's not even a big word.
>
> DDdddddoooohhhh you got me agin.... I have spell check too.
>
> Check each post, I try to put one in each.
>
One grammaticly correct sentence?

Your epic failure is noted.

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TOPIC: Self-education among wingers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/95c5b22fa0e87057?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:14 am
From: Major Debacle

Fred B. Brown wrote:
> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
> news:9jqpo5dnu0hlso30k5rmddamkml09e0rto@4ax.com...
>> Two wingers were digging a ditch in the hot sun.
>
> Obviously Democrats, Republicans only work white collar jobs.
>

Joe the Plumber?

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General Pickett replied: "I've always thought the Yankees had something
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:54 am
From: "Richard W."

"Fred B. Brown" <fredbbrown@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:4b8d04ea$0$26264$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
>
> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
> news:9jqpo5dnu0hlso30k5rmddamkml09e0rto@4ax.com...
>> Two wingers were digging a ditch in the hot sun.
>
> Obviously Democrats, Republicans only work white collar jobs.
>
>
>> One finally looks at the other and asks "Say why do we have to stay out
>> in the
>> heat and dig this damn ditch"?
>>
>> The other winger says "Why don't you go and ask the foreman?"
>> So he does.
>>
>> "My buddy asks why we are the only ones out in the heat digging this
>> ditch and
>> you always sitting in the shade drinking that cold drink"?
>>
>> The foreman says "Winger, grab your shovel and meet me over here at this
>> tree
>> and I'll be happy to show you why".
>>
>> So he gets his shovel and goes over to where the foreman is standing.
>>
>> The foreman tells the winger "Winger, put your hand on this tree and
>> hand me
>> that shovel. Do not remove your hand from this tree no matter what. OK?"
>>
>> The winger puts his hand on the tree and says "OK I won't move".
>>
>> The foreman then takes the shovel and swings it as hard as he can and
>> almost
>> completely smashes the winger's hand.
>>
>> Now the foreman puts his hand on the tree and gives the shovel back to
>> the
>> winger and says "Go ahead; I know you want to, hit my hand as hard as you
>> can".
>>
>> The winger hauls off and swings the shovel with all of his might.
>>
>> Just as the shovel gets near his hand the foreman moves it and the
>> shovel hits
>> the tree.
>>
>> "Now winger" says the foreman "do you understand why I'm in the shade
>> and you
>> and that other winger are in the ditch"?
>>
>> The winger says "Yes, I think so".
>>
>> So back in the ditch he goes.
>>
>> The other winger's curiosity is killing him so he asks "What did the
>> foreman
>> say about your question"?
>>
>> "I don't know how to explain it" says the winger whose hand is still in
>> bad
>> pain.
>>
>> Well, the other one keeps bugging him until finally he says "Okay, I'll
>> show
>> you what he said." He then puts his hand in front of his face and tells
>> the
>> other winger "Take your shovel and hit my hand as hard as you can."
>>
>

This is very old, when I first heard it black people were digging the ditch.
Must have been 30 years ago. Some people have nothing better to do.

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TOPIC: Endangerment Finding
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:17 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:11:06 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

> "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> fired this volley in news:578b22de-
> 4702-4e53-8172-ecb0f054ea20@y11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Mar 1, 12:50 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The exaust from many gas spaceheaters kills many types of
>>> plants.
>>> --
>>> Cliff
>>
>> Can you give a cite for that statement?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
> The only thing I have ever heard that is similar to that is that the
> methyl mercaptan released from un-burnt cooking gas is toxic to plants.
> I have at least a couple of plant care booklets that warn one to
> frequently "air out" indoor plants if you cook with gas or use an un-
> vented gas heater. Both those applications release a small amount of
> un-burnt gas during the igntion cycle.
>
> But as far as I can tell, the combustion products of a clean gas flame
> are only water and CO2... not a terribly toxic combination to most
> plants <G>.
>
> LLoyd

Nope, also CO and NO2. Carbon monoxide is the killer.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 9:06 am
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> fired this volley in
news:hmjdn8$uks$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> Nope, also CO and NO2. Carbon monoxide is the killer.

Not from a clean, properly oxygenated, near-atmospheric pressure flame.
NOx compounds are not formed at the relatively low temperatures found
there, and CO is only formed in the presence of insufficient oxygen.

LLoyd

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 9:29 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 2, 4:17 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:

>
> >>> The exaust from many gas spaceheaters kills many types of
> >>> plants.
> >>> --
> >>> Cliff
>
> >> Can you give a cite for that statement?
>
> >> Dan
>

> > But as far as I can tell, the combustion products of a clean gas flame
> > are only water and CO2... not a terribly toxic combination to most
> > plants <G>.
>
> > LLoyd
>
> Nope, also CO and NO2. Carbon monoxide is the killer.
>
> --
> Regards, Curly
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Republicans: Party Without a Conscious
> Democrats: Party Without a Spine
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

My request for a Cite to Cliff was a polite way of saying that he has
no clue. If he tries to find cites for space heater combustion
products killing plants, he should realize that he is wrong. You
might also look for a cite for your statement about CO and NOS.

Dan

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TOPIC: Make this? Gear ring
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:30 am
From: RBnDFW

Pretty neat ring

http://www.kinektdesign.com/products.php

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TOPIC: CNC Bridgeport with Heidenhein control
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:31 am
From: "Wild_Bill"

Thanks, Bob.. the jog function was previously discussed, so I assumed that
an operator had control capabilities, but I was curious about
teaching/learning feaures.

--
WB
.........

"Bob La Londe" <nospam@nospam.no> wrote in message
news:hmi8lo$nth$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> "Wild_Bill" <wb_wildbill@XSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:zdlhn.349563$IU1.75256@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
>> It seems to me that you might be asking if there is a manual mode,
>> similar to using a pendant control on a robotic machine, that allows the
>> operator to take control of the robot's motion capabilities.
>> With some robots, there is a "teach" mode, where the operator can save
>> the motions of a task.
>>
>> I don't know that answer, but I'm curious if any home shop machines have
>> a pendant mode.
>>
>
> Mach 3 registered has a learn mode in the collection of Wizards. Also,
> you can use keyboard controls to directly control the machine. I use both
> of those things. I'm curious how you thought us home shop guys zeroed the
> machine to the work piece?
>
>
>

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TOPIC: Dear Sarah Palin
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:43 am
From: "�n�hw��f"

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the waters
of pure thought with
news:orvpo5tfe0hh77r1jlq51nh4r37umadti0@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:57:52 -0600, "�n�hw��f"
> <snuhwolf@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>> >> Did you "think" you'd not be noticed lying yet again?
>>>> >
>>>> >You lie in practically every post you make.
>>>>
>>>> Find those "WMDs" yet?
>>>
>>> You have a macro for that don't you ?
>>> You trot it out every time you are afraid
>>>
>>Its a valid point. The last ten years would have been much
>>different if we didnt have a manchild in the white house trying to
>>avenge his daddys arch nemesis.
>>
>>Word.
>
> I expect bushco tried to scam Saddam in an oil deal &
> got burned instead.
> AFAIK The records are still bushco secret.
>
> Another of the endless bushco failures.

Amerikuhs "quest for oil" preceeds Chimpy.
http://www.representativepress.org/Oil.html

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TOPIC: Spiritual Warfare
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:56 am
From: "�n�hw��f"

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the waters
of pure thought with
news:cktpo5tq1uphiouf9c70uhajomu5qu641d@4ax.com:

> http://www.alaskadispatch.com/blogs/palin-watch/4243-palin-and-pr
> ayer-warriors "Palin and 'Prayer Warriors'"
> [
> Remember the popular susurration that occurred during the 2008
> election after people learned Rev. Muthee had laid hands on former
> Gov. Palin at her Wasilla church to protect her from witchcraft
> and demons? Well, apparently it's a more involved story than just
> witchcraft. In an extremely lengthy article and interview, an
> AlterNet
>
> (perhaps at http://www.alternet.org/rights/97939)
>
> contributor explores a successful, worldwide Christian spiritual
> action network that Muthee and Palin are both reportedly a part
> of, the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). An Alaska branch of the
> group figures prominently as the article names several major
> figures in the movement who have passed through Wasilla. According
> to the story, one chief goal of the NAR is to use prayer networks
> to conduct what it calls "spiritual warfare" against demons that
> have taken hold of individuals and whole societies. It also holds
> that members have a mandate to take control of "Seven Mountains of
> Culture," which are essentially a society's main institutions. In
> Africa at least, once the NAR overcomes the demons plaguing a
> town, its members move in to take over those seven mountains. In
> the U.S., the group has organized prayer actions against
> health-care reform and gained influence in political circles, as
> well as with other protestant churches. The article notes that the
> organization has been overlooked in the U.S. mainly because it
> arose within a large, disparate bloc of Protestant Christians,
> many of whom belong to non-denominational churches. Read more at
> AlterNet, here. We know many readers who belong to the religious
> or political right will immediately dismiss any article from
> AlterNet, but the article linked above is worth reading.
>]
>
> http://www.alternet.org/rights/97939
> [
> Sarah Palin's churches are actively involved in a resurgent
> movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in
> 1949. This is the same 'Spiritual Warfare' movement that was
> featured in the award winning movie, "Jesus Camp," which showed
> young children being trained to do battle for the Lord. At least
> three of four of Palin's churches are involved with major
> organizations and leaders of this movement, which is referred to
> as The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit or the New Apostolic
> Reformation. The movement is training a young "Joel's Army" to
> take dominion over the United States and the world. ....
> Palin's dedication to the Wasilla church is indicated by a
> Saturday, September 7, 2008, McClatchy news service story
> detailing possibly improper use of state travel funds by Palin for
> a trip she made to Wasilla, Alaska to attend, on June 8, 2008,
> both a Wasilla Assembly of God "Masters Commission" graduation
> ceremony and also a multi-church Wasilla area event known as "One
> Lord Sunday." ....
> The Wasilla Assembly of God church is deeply involved with both
> Third Wave activities and theology. Their Master's Commission
> program is part of an three year post-high school international
> training program with studies in prophecy, intercessory prayer,
> Biblical exegesis, authority and leadership. ....
>]
>

Well thats alASSka...if you travel far enough north is like being
down south.

Snake handlers are a hoot!

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TOPIC: OT - The Supremes To Decide On A Gun Issue
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:57 am
From: RBnDFW

Joe wrote:
> Today, the Court is supposed to take up the issue of whether or not
> local governments have the right to restrict gun ownership.
>
> It will be an interesting test of the mettle of old-time
> Conservatives, who are fond of arguing in favor of "States' Rights"
> over the power of the Federal government. I predict that they will
> conveniently forget the states' rights issue for the duration of this
> decision.
>
> While I agree with them on the core issue of the inalienability of
> citizens' rights to posses firearms, I can't help but think that
> states' rights has always been a smoke screen for discriminatory
> and/or repressive behavior.
>
> Since the Court is tilted in favor of Conservatives, I suppose that
> the decision will favor gun rights, but I remain suspicious about the
> real agenda of any politicians; despite all their populist talk, they
> don't want too much power vested in the hands of the citizenry. Here's
> hoping that the decision will be made in favor of freedom.

I think you are missing the point.
The issue is that the rights are given by the Creator, and the
government is constrained from limiting those rights.
The individual states should also be required to recognize the same rights.
No state should be allowed to restrict basic rights of humans.

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TOPIC: Turner Troubles
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:57 am
From: "�n�hw��f"

Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> clouded
the waters of pure thought with
news:4b8d2231$0$11409$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:

> On 3/2/2010 6:59 AM, Cliff wrote:
>>
>> http://www.northjersey.com/news/crime_courts/030110_Retrial_opens_
>> for_North_Bergen_right-wing_Internet_radio_host_Hal_Turner.html
>> "Retrial opens for North Bergen right-wing Internet radio host
>> Hal Turner"
>> [
>> Internet radio talk show host Hal Turner so �despised� a ruling
>> upholding a handgun ban in Chicago that he threatened the lives
>> of three federal appeals court judges in a bid to silence them, a
>> prosecutor said Monday.
>
>
> The effort to silence the opponents of the Left is under way....
>
>
> They will silence the talk radio/internet with charges they
> conjure up to make some examples and try to send shock waves of
> fear to silence WE THE PEOPLE.
>

I feels yer pain, you poor repressed, unrepresented rich white fucks.

Cry me a fucking river...

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TOPIC: Obama an Alcoholic?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 8:58 am
From: RBnDFW

Buerste wrote:
> "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote in message
> news:4b8c7e55@news.x-privat.org...
>>
>> "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote in message
>> news:4b8c7a66$1@news.x-privat.org...
>>>
>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5a898290-e6c0-4090-8636-57be4c2557ba@e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Mar 1, 6:43 pm, Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-
>>>> che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> What am I hearing on the news about his doctor telling him to cut back
>>>>> on the boozin?
>>> Yep, docs told him to lay off the sauce and smokes.
>>
>> Maybe more work and less beer summits
>
> I don't begrudge him beer and smokes, nobody should deprived of such simple
> pleasures!

I agree, and I would encourage him to partake of both in great abundance.

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TOPIC: Feb Factory Growth Holds At 15 - Year High
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 9:17 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 14:05:56 +0000, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:

> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in
> news:4b8c8f2f$0$4976$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
>> I'm curious, Dan: Why do you do things like that? Do you think that no
>> one will follow your links, and that you can get away with saying any
>> nonsense you want to, and that it will stick because you're implying it
>> came from the item you're citing?
>>
>>
> Manufacturing growth certainly isn't at a 15 year high per Cliff's
> claim.

Cliff did not make that claim. Reuters did basing their report on world
economic parameters. Ascribing a lie to someone due to your
misinterpretation doesn't hold water. If you disagree then show your
figures to Reuters.

> I linked to the article to show that manufacturing growth was not at a
> 15 year high, and in fact growth was weakening, inventories are up, and
> production is down.

You posted a link to an article which spoke solely for the United
States. Reuters is world-wide and larger than the United States.

>> I just wonder how peoples' minds work.
>
> Gee, why would I want to refute a guy who uses data FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY
> to claim that things are just wonderful HERE?

Not "ANOTHER COUNTRY" but the world. That includes the United States ad
one component. Where did Cliff make the claim you falsely attribute to
him?

> Yeah, that's a tough one to figure out.

True. It is tough to figure out when you make shit up.

> BTW, you can have weakening growth, strengthening growth and even seven
> months of growth, and still have the sector down over the longer term.
> So yeah, manufacturing is getting a little better but it still sucks
> compared to 12-18 months ago.

Untrue but I understand why you'd want to blame the failure of your
tribe's policies on someone else.

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TOPIC: FS -- 275 amp Pipeline Welder, Continental 163 engine
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 9:23 am
From: "Leo Lichtman"

"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote: (clip) It's not just the having, it's the using.
"He Who Dies With The
> Most Toys Wins" is pointless if you never need or use the toys.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That may be true for you, Bruce, but not for everyone. I recently bought a
gorgeous pocket watch that doesn't keep time as well as my quartz wrist
watch--it has a glass front and back, and a wonderful movement. I enjoy
just watching it run.

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TOPIC: OT donate to sen. bennett and sen. gillibrand
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 9:29 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:47:50 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
<snip>
>> It is becoming more obvious that the only viable option is the
>> mandatory single payer public option.
>
>Either that, or a private insurance system with not-for-profit insurance
>companies. That switches the incentives all around. The way they run in
>Switzerland, insurance executives are compensated on the basis of how many
>people they cover and how much they cut operating expenses. Maybe we'll have
>one or the other a generation from now.
<snip>
=========
Even with multiple not-for-profit insurance companies you still
wind up with massive duplication. For example each company has
their own Board, Chairman, President, multiple vice-presidents,
and other corporate officers, and each of these has a staff and
perks, etc. You still have duplication of IT and other services.
Each of the non-profits still accumulates "excessive of income
over expenses," as reserves.

It makes much more sense from the standpoint of maximizing the
impact of health care dollars for the public to have a single
payer public option, with the requirement that the salaries are
GSA [with possibly a few GSA "super grades"], the furniture is
GSA, the buildings are GSA, the benefits [medical/retirement] are
government standard, no corporate planes, no excessive executive
perks, etc.

Make no mistake about it. Some people will take it in the shorts
big time with a change to a single payer public system such as
the 30 Well point executives that make over 1 million dollars per
year each, but this largess is funded with money skimmed from
health care.

There is little to no chance that all of the money currently
being skimmed off the top will be recovered and used to pay for
actual health care, but much of it can and will be with a single
payer public option. However, much will depend on how well
Congress "micromanages" the new organization, for example by
specifying staffing/manning to prevent the establishment of
another "all chiefs, no indians" organization and by forcing the
use of GSA services/products where applicable, i.e. no antique
commodes for the executives offices, and GSA standard vehicles.
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/thains-office-overhaul-said-to-cost-12-million/

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

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TOPIC: How to play with EMC2 and G code without an actual mill
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 2 2010 9:30 am
From: Ignoramus5280

I would like to somehow practice EMC2 (milling application, 3 axis),
and G-code and other such things, without actually running a mill. It
would be a "simulation". What kind of software can I use.

Ergo, say, if I could specify the tool geometry, location, raw
material geometry and location, then applied G-Code, I want to see
what I would end up with AS IF I machined it.

Any suggestions?

Preferably Linux

thanks

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