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TOPIC: The Map is not the Territory, was Re: OT - I think Gunner should run
for office on the
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/98af221afb72e333?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 8:48 am
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

On 4/17/2010 12:00 AM, Nicholas wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
> <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 16, 5:51 pm, Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-
>> che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Apr 16, 6:38 pm, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
>>>> <gunnera...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:45:02
>>>> -0700 in misc.survivalism:
>>>
>>>>>>> You do know that I live in The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia...right?
>>>
>>>>>>> We have plenty of leftwingers within this state. Ooodles of them.
>>>
>>>>>> You have my sincerest condolences.
>>>
>>>>> So if I were to go off the reservation..what makes you think Id leave
>>>>> the state to commit "mayhem"?
>>>
>>>> Snerk. Now you're confusing him. He's obviously seen a map.
>>>> California isn't all that big, maybe the size of his hand.
>>>
>>> What a new cartographic concept... one hand = one state.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -
>>>> pyotr filipivich.
>>>> Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
>>>> you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Hey Florida could just be a finger..the middle one.
>>
>> TMT
>
> Or:
> Florida is America's penis, and Texas is it's scrotum.
>
That would make NY the anus and Illinois the armpit?

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 9:30 am
From: Nicholas

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:48:41 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Destroy-Everything@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:

>On 4/17/2010 12:00 AM, Nicholas wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>> <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 16, 5:51 pm, Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-
>>> che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 16, 6:38 pm, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
>>>>> <gunnera...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:45:02
>>>>> -0700 in misc.survivalism:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> You do know that I live in The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia...right?
>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have plenty of leftwingers within this state. Ooodles of them.
>>>>
>>>>>>> You have my sincerest condolences.
>>>>
>>>>>> So if I were to go off the reservation..what makes you think Id leave
>>>>>> the state to commit "mayhem"?
>>>>
>>>>> Snerk. Now you're confusing him. He's obviously seen a map.
>>>>> California isn't all that big, maybe the size of his hand.
>>>>
>>>> What a new cartographic concept... one hand = one state.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> pyotr filipivich.
>>>>> Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
>>>>> you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> Hey Florida could just be a finger..the middle one.
>>>
>>> TMT
>>
>> Or:
>> Florida is America's penis, and Texas is it's scrotum.
>>
>That would make NY the anus and Illinois the armpit?

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 9:31 am
From: Nicholas

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:48:41 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Destroy-Everything@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:

Arizona is the anus
California is the buttcheeks
Illinois is simply a way to get from Indiana to Iowa

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 9:37 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Apr 16, 4:15 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 15, 11:39 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:56:21 -0700, Klaus Shadenfreude
>
> > <klausshadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >[Default] On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:51:20 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
> > ><too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>
> > >>Time to shut up Gunner and show us what you can do...
>
> > >I'll bet he could find Sunnyside Terrace
>
> > TooFewTools hasnt been able to find 326 Olive Ave either
>
> > Gunner
>
> > "First Law of Leftist Debate
> > The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> > that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> > more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> > losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> > homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> > This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> > race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> > the subject." Grey Ghost
>
> So Gunner...have you decided who your running mate will be?
>
> I recommend Klaus...that is if you can find him?
>
> TMT- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So again Gunner...WHEN IS THE BIG ANNOUNCEMENT of you running on the
Tea Party Ticket?

The time to campaign for The Great Cull is NOW.

TMT

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 9:39 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Apr 16, 11:24 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:08:10 -0700 (PDT), "dcas...@krl.org"
> > <dcas...@krl.org> wrote:
>
> > >On Apr 15, 11:17 pm, Nicholas <Lawrence_Glick...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >> As soon as he crosses State Lines for the purpose of creating mayhem,
> > >> he will have the Feebs on his ass, like dogs chasing down a fox. IOW,
> > >> he'll never be able to go *home* again. They'll be waiting for his
> > >> arrival.
>
> > >I am pretty sure TMT lives in the state of fruits and nuts. So Gunner
> > >would not have to cross state lines.
>
> > > Dan
> > I keep hearing that..but I never get a complete or matching address from
> > anyone.
>
> Here is a list of the 435 groups where T_M_T trolls.
>
> misc.survivalism
> rec.crafts.metalworking
> alt.politics
> talk.politics.guns
> alt.rush-limbaugh
> alt.politics.bush
> alt.politics.democrats
> alt.survival
> alt.guns
> alt.video.digital-tv
>
> alt.machines.cnc
> alt.politics.republican
> sci.astro.amateur
> alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
> talk.politics.misc
> alt.politics.republicans
> misc.consumers.frugal-living
> rec.woodworking
> sci.electronics.design
> alt.impeach.bush
>
> alt.military
> comp.robotics.misc
> alt.religion.christian
> sci.engr.joining.welding
> alt.california
> alt.home.repair
> sci.electronics.repair
> sci.techniques.microscopy
> alt.gossip.celebrities
> soc.men
>
> alt.politics.libertarian
> alt.politics.immigration
> alt.usenet.kooks
> alt.culture.alaska
> alt.society.conservatism
> tx.guns (135)</option>
> alt.energy.homepower
> alt.politics.economics
> alt.conspiracy
> soc.culture.usa
>
> sci.electronics.equipment
> alt.activism
> Google Groups Help Forum
> alt.society.liberalism
> alt.aol.tricks
> alt.marketing.online.ebay
> alt.politics.liberalism
> us.military.army
> alt.cellular
> rec.radio.shortwave
>
> alt.politics.usa
> soc.veterans
> alt.lasers
> alt.atheism
> alt.tv.tech.hdtv
> rec.backcountry
> soc.retirement
> can.politics
> rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
> rec.arts.tv
>
> alt.solar.photovoltaic
> alt.california.illegals
> sci.energy.hydrogen
> alt.politics.usa.republican
> misc.taxes
> ca.politics
> az.politics
> alt.politics.democrat
> alt.community
> misc.consumers.house
>
> alt.politics.homosexuality
> misc.invest.stocks
> rec.models.rockets
> alt.global-warming
> sci.econ
> sci.chem.electrochem.battery
> alt.fan.cecil-adams
> misc.rural
> sci.environment
> soc.culture.jewish
>
> alt.true-crime
> sci.military.naval
> rec.aviation.military
> alt.politics.usa.constitution
> soc.history
> or.politics" >or.politics
> alt.law-enforcement
> rec.outdoors.rv-travel
> us.politics
> rec.puzzles
>
> rec.radio.amateur.equipment
> rec.photo.digital
> sci.life-extension
> scruz.general
> misc.health.alternative
> alt.politics.british
> va.politics
> rec.models.railroad
> seattle.politics
> alt.politics.democrats.d
>
> dc.politics
> misc.transport.trucking
> rec.bicycles.racing
> tx.politics
> alt.anarchism
> alt.politics.green.party
> rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
> alt.news-media
> rec.crafts.woodturning
> alt.war.nuclear
>
> neworleans.general
> alt.abortion
> va.general
> comp.cad.solidworks
> misc.consumers
> alt.support.divorce
> alt.privacy
> talk.politics.mideast
> comp.home.automation
> alt.politics.gw-bush
>
> sci.optics
> alt.energy.renewable
> alt.military.retired
> alt.elvis.king
> misc.legal
> sci.geo.geology
> dfw.politics
> alt.true.crime
> alt.crafts.blacksmithing
> alt.engineering.electrical
>
> az.general
> rec.autos.driving
> alt.rec.guns
> us.military
> uk.rec.cars.maintenance
> aus.politics.guns
> rec.arts.sf.tv
> sci.geo.mineralogy
> comp.sys.laptops
> sci.physics
>
> alt.solar.thermal
> rec.boats
> aus.politics
> alt.politics.conservative
> uk.d-i-y
> comp.arch.embedded
> alt.philosophy
> misc.kids
> uk.politics.misc
> alt.motorcycles.harley
>
> sci.materials
> can.talk.guns
> alt.feminism
> alt.support.marriage
> alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now
> alt.radio.talk.dr-laura
> rec.guns
> soc.culture.african.american
> soc.culture.iraq
> alt.flame.rush-limbaugh
>
> rec.models.rc.helicopter
> alt.politics.media
> rec.sport.pro-wrestling
> alt.politics.socialism.democratic
> soc.culture.china
> rec.radio.amateur.policy
> rec.crafts.glass
> la.general
> sci.geo.meteorology
> alt.religion.islam
>
> alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
> alt.fan.air-america
> rec.radio.scanner
> uk.legal
> comp.sys.palmtops
> soc.culture.mexican
> sci.energy
> comp.sys.handhelds
> soc.support.fat-acceptance
> alt.showbiz.gossip
>
> talk.politics.libertarian
> alt.religion.scientology.xenu
> alt.health
> alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
> alt.rv
> alt.prophecies.nostradamus
> alt.child-support
> alt.cities.chicago
> alt.circumcision
> alt.microcontrollers.8bit
>
> alt.fan.howard-stern
> soc.culture.europe
> rec.antiques.radio+phono
> alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots
> rec.equestrian
> rec.martial-arts
> alt.menwhoswallow
> alt.music.mp3.hardware
> rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
> alt.bullshit
>
> wash.politics
> alt.nuke.the.usa
> alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die
> rec.sport.cricket
> rec.birds
> alt.politics.greens
> rec.models.rc.air
> alt.religion.christian.last-days
> rec.arts.disney.parks
> rec.autos.sport.nascar
>
> rec.pets.cats.health+behav
> rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
> alt.crime
> alt.recovery.clutter
> rec.aquaria.marine.misc
> alt.computer.consultants
> the-freshwater-aquarium
> alt.rec.hiking
> rec.sport.football.college
> rec.radio.amateur.misc
>
> alt.war.iraq
> de.alt.augenoptik
> alt.conspiracy.new-world-order
> soc.culture.pakistan
> alt.aol
> sci.crypt
> soc.culture.indian
> rec.radio.cb
> alt.religion
> google.public.support.general
>
> rec.sport.golf
> alt.sci.planetary
> rec.knives
> rec.food.cooking
> free.country.usa
> nyc.politics
> rec.arts.movies.past-films
> comp.lang.php
> sci.astro
> misc.transport.road
>
> alt.bible
> uk.sci.astronomy
> alt.dear.whitehouse
> uk.media.radio.bbc-r4
> alt.dumpster
> alt.fan.conan-obrien
> alt.flame.rednecks
> alt.politics.clinton
> uk.misc
> alt.talk.creationism
>
> alt.engineering
> alt.war.civil.usa
> alt.battlestar-galactica
> rec.autos.tech
> misc.kids.pregnancy
> alt.radio.scanner
> 24hoursupport.helpdesk
> talk.environment
> alt.gathering.rainbow
> alt.ham-radio.vhf-uhf
>
> fl.general
> rec.crafts.jewelry
> rec.travel.air
> uk.rec.models.engineering
> sci.engr.television.advanced
> soc.culture.kenya
> alt.terrorism.world-trade-center
> sci.chem
> rec.arts.movies.current-films
> austin.politics
>
> alt.sailing.asa
> alt.locksmithing
> alt.christnet
> alt.fan.jai-maharaj
> alt.politics.elections
> rec.arts.sf.science
> alt.comp.freeware
> alt.mexico
> alt.sixtyplus
> talk.bizarre
>
> alt.fan.jesus-christ
> alt.tasteless.jokes
> rec.arts.startrek.fandom
> rec.crafts.textiles.sewing
> sci.electronics.components
> alt.astronomy
> sci.electronics.cad
> us.military.navy
> alt.america
> alt.religion.christian.baptist
>
> sci.geo.oceanography
> alt.society.mental-health
> alt.rec.crafts.metalworking
> rec.arts.comics.dc.universe
> uk.tech.robotics
> misc.headlines
> alt.religion.unification
> rec.boats.cruising
> rec.motorcycles
> alt.troll
>
> aus.aviation
> rec.org.mensa
> misc.transport.rail.americas
> alt.freemasonry
> alt.usage.english
> sci.astro.ccd-imaging
> alt.rv.pop-up-trailers
> sci.electronics.basics
> sci.space.policy
> alt.education
>
> alt.support.diabetes
> ba.food
> alt.disasters.earthquake
> rec.music.classical.recordings
> houston.politics
> alt.music.prince
> alt.hvac
> alt.appalachian
> alt.autos.4x4.chevy-trucks
> comp.os.linux.misc
>
> alt.revisionism
> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
> alt.religion.scientology
> alt.cellular.verizon
> alt.health.diabetes
> atl.general
> sci.physics.relativity
> alt.telescopes.meade.lx200
> alt.talk.royalty
> alt.christian.religion
>
> aus.electronics
> rec.skydiving
> sci.psychology.misc
> alt.politics.usa.congress
> alt.fan.fucking-pigs
> alt.security.terrorism
> pl.rec.radio
> alt.fan.adolf-hitler
> rec.gambling.poker
> alt.cellular.sprintpcs
>
> alt.alien.visitors
> alt.cellular-phone-tech
> fr.usenet.abus.d
> rec.music.gdead
> comp.lang.lisp
> alt.sports.football.pro.pitt-steelers
> alt.messianic
> misc.emerg-services
> alt.fan.states.vermont
> alt.home.automation
>
> uk.tech.digital-tv
> alt.fan.letterman
> rec.arts.theatre.musicals
> co.general
> sci.space.history
> us.taxes
> sac.politics
> sci.engr.heat-vent-ac
> alt.fifty-plus.friends
> alt.fan.ronald-reagan
>
> rec.photo.equipment.35mm
> rec.games.roguelike.nethack
> alt.home.cleaning
> soc.culture.iranian
> soc.culture.british
> talk.politics.crypto
> bit.listserv.test
> comp.lang.perl.misc
> sci.engr.manufacturing
> sci.anthropology
>
> soc.religion.quaker" >soc.religion.quaker
> alt.journalism
> alt.politics.radical-left
> hawaii.politics
> alt.swordfighting
> alt.politics.nationalism.white
> rec.pyrotechnics
> rec.arts.books
> alt.trucks.chevy
> ba.mountain-folk
>
> alt.honda
> rec.audio.pro
> ba.broadcast
> alt.emergency-services.moderated
> alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys
> sci.engr.mech
> rec.outdoors.camping
> alt.anti-ebay
> alt.guitar
> alt.society.anarchy
>
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk
> uk.sci.weather
> misc.industry.quality
> soc.history.ancient
> alt.fan.don-imus
> rec.radio.amateur.antenna
> alt.support.stop-smoking
> uk.finance
> alt.fan.noam-chomsky
> rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace
>
> talk.abortion
> rec.arts.sf.marketplace
> scruz.transportation
> alt.guitar.amps
> uk.politics.parliament
> alt.christnet.christianlife
> sci.skeptic
> alt.telescopes.meade
> alt.bitterness
> rec.games.bridge
>
> rec.sport.soccer
> alt.cellular.motorola
> alt.security.pgp
> misc.education
> de.alt.test
> uk.food+drink.misc
> alt.obituaries
> rec.arts.startrek.current
> sci.engr.lighting
> soc.culture.israel
>
> rec.arts.sf.composition
> alt.building.construction
> alt.psychology
> alt.computers
> alt.astrology.metapsych
> soc.culture.cuba
> alt.horology
> rec.crafts.misc
> soc.culture.canada
> rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe
>
> sci.lang
> nashville.general
> sci.engr.chem
> misc.fitness.weights
> alt.christian.bible
>
> --
> Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...you missed one?

guess.who.is.doing.your.wife

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 9:41 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Apr 17, 7:24 am, Klaus Shadenfreude <klausshadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> [Default] On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>
> >So Gunner...what the heck is the hold up.
>
> What's holding you up from visiting Sunnyside Terrace? Besides your
> lack of balls, that is.

Hey Gunner...how about making Sunnyside Terrace your headquarters?

That way everyone can find Klaus...under your desk.

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 9:43 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Apr 17, 10:03 am, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-
Everyth...@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
> On 4/17/2010 9:04 AM, dcas...@krl.org wrote:> On Apr 17, 12:24 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Here is a list of the 435 groups where T_M_T trolls.
>
> > 435 groups. Wow. If they ever pass a law requiring psych tests to
> > own a gun, TMT is bound to be the first one found to be unstable.
>
> > Dan
>
> If it's constitutional then the Government will be able to widen that to
> Psych tests for writing, remember "The pen is mightier than the sword"
> and swords and guns are on the same level in most places.... So the pen
> is at least as dangerous as guns.
>
> The first loons removed from the keyboard will be TMT and then Harry Hope.

Hey....Harry is a stand up guy.

And a great American.

TMT

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 9:52 am
From: Cordon@Blue.net

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:03:17 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Destroy-Everything@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:

>If it's constitutional then the Government will be able to widen that to
>Psych tests for writing,

so you agree---being stupid qualifies you to be a gunloon?

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 11:21 am
From: Klaus Shadenfreude

[Default] On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:41:27 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:

>On Apr 17, 7:24 am, Klaus Shadenfreude <klausshadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> [Default] On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>>
>> >So Gunner...what the heck is the hold up.
>>
>> What's holding you up from visiting Sunnyside Terrace? Besides your
>> lack of balls, that is.
>
>Hey Gunner.

We were talking about you and your inability to carry out your
threats.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 9:07 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:47:34 -0700, Larry Jaques
<ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
>>One of the more critical areas is the enactment of laws mandating
>>the reconstitution of bankrupt municipal/county governments,
>>possibly at a *MUCH* lower level of services and expenditures,
>>with the total replacement of existing elected and appointed
>>officials, *AFTER* a period of direct state control with full
>>forensic audits and formal legal investigation to determine
>>exactly what went wrong (and where the money went).
>
>"Who to hang" audits, wot?
<snip>
=========
While this is one possible outcome, the intention is to determine
what went wrong, not who did wrong.

As it stands, all we know for sure from the available information
is that something has and is going very wrong. It appears
astrologers make poor investment advisors [ala Orange county,
California]. It should be noted that the astrologers involved
may have been very good astrologers, and very good moral people,
but the results were still a disaster, so better and/or more
moral astrologers is most likely not the answer, nor would tarot
readers be any better.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&dat=19980725&id=VKQaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fi4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=5326,5062430
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19951229&id=bqosAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EhUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6526,5240309
http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws25.htm

To be sure, it appears that the reason(s) are obvious, but this
is unavoidably filtered through ideological lenses. The fact
this keeps occurring indicates that either the actual causes have
not been identified and/or the correct legal prohibitions,
proscriptions and prescriptions have not yet been enacted and/or
enforced.

An analogy is public health. Until the causes of the pandemics
were identified [germ theory of disease] and basic changes made,
e.g. the public supply of safe drinking water, sanatation/trash
removal and pure food laws, the "morality" of the people involved
had little to no effect.

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

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TOPIC: Something to ponder....
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 9:23 am
From: knews4u2chew@yahoo.com

On Apr 16, 9:37 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born
> in another country. I was not his only child. He fathered several
> children with numerous women.
>
> I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no
> interest in me. My mother died at an early age from cancer.
>
> Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
>
> My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a
> legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
>
> I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as
> it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
> beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under
> scrutiny.
>
> I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult,
> disguising myself as someone who really cared about them..
>
> That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my
> life and I embarked on a new career.
>
> I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to
> those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
> father abandoned me as a child.
>
> I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help
> behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
> national office in my 40s.. They said I had a golden tongue and could
> talk anyone into anything.. That reinforced my conceit.
>
> I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and
> no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
> speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they
> were small roofing tacks.
>
> I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
> This bolstered my ego.
>
> At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign
> policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and seized
> every opportunity to bash my country.
>
> But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
> on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how
> we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.
>
> I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this
> mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to
> start making citizens hate them and if they were envious of others who
> did well, the plan was clinched tight.
>
> I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all
> people.
>
> I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside the
> traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular
> support.
>
> I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope', together we
> could change our country and the world.
>
> So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf
> of the downtrodden, poor, ignorant to include "persecuted minorities"
> like the Jews. My true views were not widely known and I needed to
> keep them unknown, until after I became my nation's leader.
>
> I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily
> found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
> and examined those people I associated with.
>
> I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in
> the world. And the world learned the truth..
>
> *Who am I? *
>
> I am ADOLF HITLER
>
> WHO WERE YOU THINKING OF?
>
> Scary isn't it?

Here is the scary part.
Hitler didn't have the mass hypnosis tools Obomba has at his disposal.
http://www.grenswetenschap.nl/vault/pdf/Obama_Hypnosis_techniques.pdf

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TOPIC: What is it? Set 332
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 10:51 am
From: "Rob H."

> As for (1908) -- could it not have also been used for shoveling
> coal in a steam engine (locomotive)? Pretty much the same constraints
> there as for a furnace.

I'm sure it could have been used on a steam engine, someone told me they saw
one in a fire museum where it was used with an old steam pumper, but with a
patent date of 1938 it was invented after steam pumpers were no longer in
use.

Rob

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TOPIC: Another state passes Constitutional Carry!
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 10:54 am
From: "Bill Noble"

"Larry Caldwell" <ask.me@followup.news> wrote in message
news:MPG.2633529dcb635e78989744@nntp.aioe.org...
> In article <l6eis51i5mgka8b5hlu0rbc3m28oan0c1a@4ax.com>,
> gunnerasch@gmail.com (Gunner Asch) says...
>
>> YOU did it! Today, April 16, 2010, Governor Brewer signed SB 1108, the
>> AzCDL-requested Constitutional Carry bill, into law. Arizona now
>> becomes the third state to not require written permission from the
>> government for law-abiding citizens to exercise their right to bear arms
>> discretely.
>
> And the gun control nuts are shitting pineapples that the residents of
> DC might actually get to defend themselves.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/opinion/16fri4.html
>
> They still want to "protect" people, in blind denial of reality. While
> guns were banned in Washington DC, only criminals had guns. The
> resulting blood bath was a national disgrace.

have you been in Juarez recently? that will give you a good idea of what
happens when there are lots of guns in the hands of fools

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 11:07 am
From: Garlicdude

Bill Noble wrote:
>
>
> "Larry Caldwell" <ask.me@followup.news> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2633529dcb635e78989744@nntp.aioe.org...
>> In article <l6eis51i5mgka8b5hlu0rbc3m28oan0c1a@4ax.com>,
>> gunnerasch@gmail.com (Gunner Asch) says...
>>
>>> YOU did it! Today, April 16, 2010, Governor Brewer signed SB 1108, the
>>> AzCDL-requested Constitutional Carry bill, into law. Arizona now
>>> becomes the third state to not require written permission from the
>>> government for law-abiding citizens to exercise their right to bear arms
>>> discretely.
>>
>> And the gun control nuts are shitting pineapples that the residents of
>> DC might actually get to defend themselves.
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/opinion/16fri4.html
>>
>> They still want to "protect" people, in blind denial of reality. While
>> guns were banned in Washington DC, only criminals had guns. The
>> resulting blood bath was a national disgrace.
>
> have you been in Juarez recently? that will give you a good idea of
> what happens when there are lots of guns in the hands of fools

Those of us that aren't fools need to protect ourselves against the fools who
have guns, more than likely obtained illegally.

Regards,
Steve Saling
aka The Garlic Dude ©
Gilroy, CA
The Garlic Capital of The World

http://tinyurl.com/2avg58

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 11:33 am
From: Ignoramus25624

I am curious, how does it work out, in reality, when people carry
concealed weapons into drinking establishments. Has there been many
armed incidents, or not? I do not want opinions and would rather
prefer some numbers.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 12:41 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Ignoramus25624 wrote:
> I am curious, how does it work out, in reality, when people carry
> concealed weapons into drinking establishments. Has there been many
> armed incidents, or not? I do not want opinions and would rather
> prefer some numbers.
>

I can't address your question but having owned a couple of clubs, I wouldn't
want armed people walking around in my place unless they were either mine or
the police. I doubt my insurance carrier would offer coverage if I did allow
it and, drinking or not, guns and booze are a bad mix.

I'd be surprised to learn that Arizona's business community was failing to
excercise their own right to refuse service.
The risk here needs to be zero to the extent it can be. Otherwise, legal or
not, you'd be liable.

--
John R. Carroll

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TOPIC: Republicans stand with Wall Street
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 10:57 am
From: Hawke

Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell met with hedge fund managers last
week to work out a deal where they would give the republicans big
donations and in return the republicans would stop any reforms of the
banking industry.

It was announced later in the week that all 41 republican senators would
oppose the banking reform bill and would filibuster to stop it.

So there you have it. What is wrong with America. Wealthy corporate
interests are able to tell the congress what they want and they get it,
and venal congressmen, republicans in this case, are willing to do
anything they are paid to do. So much for our "democracy".

Hawke

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TOPIC: Electric Motor Phase Correction Question
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 11:25 am
From: Bob

I have a 7.5 HP TEFC Motor on a hot high pressure washer. My 3 phase
power is generated from a rotary converter. This motor is not happy
with my home made power and trips the heaters. Normal load is about 9
Amps under load but the one leg pulls 13-14A and trips the heaters.
The contactor is a small GE unit with integral heaters and I have them
set on max which is 14A IIRC.

The motor checks out just fine at the local motor shop. Coil
resistances are all equal. There are no excessive mechanical loads on
the motor. I have narrowed it to the current overload on one leg
only.

I'll test with an added load on the RPC to see if that helps, but in
the mean time; can I use a capacitor to adjust the current draw on
that leg down? If so what MF values? I think that the caps in my
surplus are all 600V rated.

Thanks,

Bob.

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TOPIC: about stainless steel tubing cutting process.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 11:29 am
From: jc

Hi,all

I need to cut out straight 1mm or 1.5 mm slice from 10" long annealed
stainless tubing 1-1/2"OD{A} x1.370"ID"{B}x.065"{C}----304.
I am going to use sherline lathe machine.
If I make my own tool bit from tungsten or HSS blank,or maybe diamond
tip??? what shape of tip is good?
I'd be very appreciated if anyone has good idea and advice or
suggestion for this cutting process.

Thanks in advance.

Yoshi.

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TOPIC: CO2 or mix for MIG
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 11:32 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Apr 17, 11:32 am, Randy <rbraun...@enter.net> wrote:

> 92% Ar 8% Co2 better weld quality and the ability to spray transfer
> weld. You need 10% or less Co2 for spray transfer, or so I was told.
>

I have some dual shield wire that does spray with 100% CO2. But I
believe you are right for solid wire.

Dan

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TOPIC: "We found them squeaky clean"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 11:45 am
From: Hawke

>>> Hawke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is what the Royal Society panel assigned to look into the climate
>>>> researchers supposedly guilty of lying about climate change found after
>>>> looking into the matter. "Climategate" as it was called has been found
>>>> to be no more valid than "whitewater" was. The only thing the scientists
>>>> were guilty of was sloppy record keeping but not bad science.
>>>
>>> Sloppy record keeping IS bad science.
>>
>> Have Parakeet tell that to, um...(oh, who's the guy at CRU who stepped
>> down?) Phil Jones, who admitted to manipulating (falsifying) climate
>> data. "Lost" is data supporting CRU theories of global warming. Who
>> could have guessed that might happen? He's no scientist; he's a
>> freakin' politician who got caught and AFAIK, isn't in prison for it,
>> either.
>>
>> ---
>
> Take it easy on poor Hawke, his Socialist Utopia is already kaput. His
> liberul politicians are destine to lose the House, Senate, Governors, Mayors
> and Dog Catchers. AND his climate scam has been exposed to the world and
> those idiots are nothing more than comic relief. So, he's doubled-up on his
> anti-depressants and "mood enhancers". THEN, he knows all the socialist
> damage his heroes have done will be quickly reversed after November.

I know you right wingers like to pretend a lot. Like you pretend you are
rational, unemotional, logical, and go strictly by facts. But the truth
is a bit different. All I did was report what an article in the April
15th edition of the Sacramento Bee printed. So there is the citation.
Nothing I said was my opinion just what was reported in the newspaper
article. But you attack the messenger rather than for even one minute
question whether your views on the "climategate" story are right. So
your belief is all based on emotion. When presented with facts like I
did you still cling stubbornly to your original beliefs. Now it's
looking like there was nothing wrong with the conclusions of the
scientists but all you do is attack me and refuse to reexamine your own
views on the subject. Why should you though? You're so very good at
pretending.

You're also doing some more pretending when it comes to you thinking the
republicans are going to be in any position to reverse anything Obama
has done. I'll be there to remind you of that when you are disappointed
by the minimal gains the republicans make in Nov. Things are starting to
get too good for the republicans to benefit. By November nobody but
right wingers will want them back in office.

Hawke

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TOPIC: {BS} Sarah Palin has her notes in her palm again
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 11:54 am
From: Lookout

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:57:19 -0500, Jeff M <nospam@nothanks.org>
wrote:

>Lookout wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
> > She's LOSING in her own party straw polls. As of right now she can't
>> even get the nomination.
>
>Ms. Palin demonstrably isn't interested in serving in elected office.
>The work is too hard and the pay is too low. She's made $12M since
>quitting her governor job, for not much real work.

Her problem is her 15 minutes ends if she doesn't run. Once she says
"no thanks" then the ones running take over the focus and she fades
into the sunset.

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TOPIC: Just a heads up....
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 11:56 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Apr 17, 10:55 am, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:

> Dammit, Dan, if I did that, you'd just say that, "no, you have to look at
> the individual states and see what percentages they're gaining or losing,
> because Eregon was talking about states." Admit it. That's exactly what
> you'd do, right?
>
).
>
> In other words, you don't care what the facts are, you just want to
> speculate about something that fits your ideology, just like Eregon did.
> Not interested in finding out what you're talking about, you'd rather live
> on conservative economic bullshit and content yourself with that.
>
> Too bad. By digging out the facts, you get all kinds of surprises, and you
> realize that the ideologies are all bullshit. But it's not very comforting
> that way, so hang on to your speculations. You always can cook up a good,
> comforting narrative that way.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

I really do not care. And I am not trying to cook up a comforting
narrative. You might note that I did not say anything about right to
work states being better or worse than non right to work states. Or
anything concerning the original statement or even your statements.

What I am saying is that you can not average percentages the way you
did and get meaningful data. You say that the average job loss
percentage for the Northeastern states is -5.71 And that is
incorrect.

Instead of getting all bent out of shape and assuming that I am trying
to come up with something to fit my ideology, you would do better to
cool down and read what I am saying. You get three figure numbers
that do not mean a thing.

I am just pointing out that your use of data is incorrect.

Dan

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TOPIC: Teaparty's Money
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 12:01 pm
From: Hawke

Now we know who the tea partiers are from the polling the NY Times did
on them, that they are mainly older white males, with college educations
and higher incomes than average, what else have we learned about them?

We found out where they are getting the money to finance them. From
right wing political organizations like Americans for Prosperity. Take a
guess who is the chairman of the board of Americans for Prosperity.
David Koch, who I mentioned before as the owner of Koch Industries. He's
a billionaire, owns a privately held coal company, and is financing the
anti global warming effort. He's also behind the teabaggers too.

So next time you wonder whether global warming is real or if the tea
party is a real grassroots uprising just remember who is paying for it.
One of the richest men in America is financing both groups and those
groups are trying to advance his own personal agenda not that of the
American people. The guy who is the running Americans for Prosperity is
none other than the former House Majority leader, Dick Armey. So much
for the tea party being a grass roots group. That too is run by wealthy
republican operatives. It would be so disappointing to be a republican
and find out the truth that your supposedly grass roots organizations
are really just cut outs for wealthy republicans. But when has the truth
ever mattered to the right wing?

Hawke

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