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TOPIC: Who will be the first?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f434d5963fd21822?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 12:04 am
From: Don Foreman

On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 17:51:26 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>
><wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote in message
>news:5pccr593ee991aonip6n5jgfjp22akhbic@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:30:17 -0500, Don Foreman
>> <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks, Ed. I do know where the line is.
>>
>> No, you don't. Ed is being too charitable, as is his habit. The facts
>> are that you've written that it's perfectly OK for grown men to write
>> thousands of posts talking about hanging others from lamp posts. You'd
>> have readers believe that these "cullers" are well-adjusted people
>> having normal fantasies about killing others, and you even quoted your
>> own fantasies to "prove" that the activity is normal. Plain and simple
>> - you're defending, comforting, and enabling these folks. Besides the
>> obvious, it's a weasely approach because every sensible reader knows
>> that you'd change your tune instantly if confronted by the
>> authorities.
>
>I have to agree that I'm surprised, often very surprised, to see people here
>who I think are fine and level-headed people not objecting strongly to the
>foulness of those character-deprived loudmouths. I can hardly stand to talk
>to the "cullers," even those that are otherwise Ok. I just can't forget what
>kind of attitudes are informing the things they say.
>
>But there's a big difference between the "cullers" themselves and the people
>who just tolerate them. Some people here even tolerate overt racists. It's
>just not for me.

We each and all define what tolerance means to us. Tolerance with
limits and constrants is better than total intolerance.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 1:59 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 02:00:27 -0500, Don Foreman
<dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:

>Not joining you in your attack is not the same as coming to his
>defense. I've clarifed that before to you and all more than once.
>
>I'll bet Gunner is laughing his arse off at this exchange.

Indeed I am!

Whine is such a baggy pants no-brain, no-load, shit head far leftwing
extremist that just about anything he spews out in his copious rage
causes spittle to land on his monitor and drool downwards to the table
top. Im sure his handler has had to put thin plastic wrap all around the
monitor and keyboard, so they last more than a couple nasty posts on his
part.

Chortle...as Ive stated many many times..Ill be sitting on my porch,
banjo in hand, happily playing riffs as the rising body counts are
announced on the radio.

Perhaps someone will send me a video of Whines unfortunate ending?
WIll they set him ablaze with fuel and turn him loose? Will they hang
him from a barbed wire noose? Will they gut him low in the belly and
let him lurch around as his intestines foul his feet and trip him? Or
will they simply take the time to record his posts on endless loop tape,
and tie him to a strong post, headphones attached and play his posts
back to him repeatedly, and walk away..leaving him to starve or die of
thirst..assuming his brain pan didnt disintergrate from the audio input?

People really want to know!

Laugh laugh laugh laugh!

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 2:08 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 02:04:23 -0500, Don Foreman
<dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:

>>
>><wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:5pccr593ee991aonip6n5jgfjp22akhbic@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:30:17 -0500, Don Foreman
>>> <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thanks, Ed. I do know where the line is.
>>>
>>> No, you don't. Ed is being too charitable, as is his habit. The facts
>>> are that you've written that it's perfectly OK for grown men to write
>>> thousands of posts talking about hanging others from lamp posts. You'd
>>> have readers believe that these "cullers" are well-adjusted people
>>> having normal fantasies about killing others, and you even quoted your
>>> own fantasies to "prove" that the activity is normal. Plain and simple
>>> - you're defending, comforting, and enabling these folks. Besides the
>>> obvious, it's a weasely approach because every sensible reader knows
>>> that you'd change your tune instantly if confronted by the
>>> authorities.
>>
>>I have to agree that I'm surprised, often very surprised, to see people here
>>who I think are fine and level-headed people not objecting strongly to the
>>foulness of those character-deprived loudmouths. I can hardly stand to talk
>>to the "cullers," even those that are otherwise Ok. I just can't forget what
>>kind of attitudes are informing the things they say.
>>
>>But there's a big difference between the "cullers" themselves and the people
>>who just tolerate them. Some people here even tolerate overt racists. It's
>>just not for me.
>
>We each and all define what tolerance means to us. Tolerance with
>limits and constrants is better than total intolerance.

Thats why they made Kill Files available on each newsreader. Of course
Whine hasnt kill filed me...my posts make him writhe up and bloat in
exquisite rage and fury. Probably he isnt getting any sex (no guy would
have anything to do with him any longer, since he blew up so fucking
huge) so this is the best thing he can do...post in rage , keyboard in
one hand..his patheticly tiny pecker in the other..stroking himself in
furious gratification as he spews onto the internet.

Whine has been in my kill file for years and the only time I see his
tragic spew is when others respond to him.

After reading his ejecta..I always feel like I need a shower, for some
reason.

But..shrug..he has less than 2 yrs remaining, by my best
estimate...so...decent folk wont have to put up with him much longer.

Far Leftwingers are really really really fucking wierd, arnt they?
No wonder they are known to be mentally ill.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Future Space programs Re: Anniversary of an amazingly enduring design
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/57c9c3facffdfb67?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 12:30 am
From: pyotr filipivich

Let the Record show that cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> on or about
Fri, 02 Apr 2010 22:35:07 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
>>>>>> But you have to pilot a space craft all the way to touch down.
>>>>>> There is no "free" negative acceleration on the moon. Now, one of the
>>>>>> nifty things about the moon is that because there is no atmosphere,
>>>>>> there is nothing to prevent you from orbiting a meter from the
>>>>>> surface. But you can orbit there forever, because there is nothing to
>>>>>> slow you down for a reentry/landing.
>>>>> I think the pressure the sun exerts on your craft will cause it to deorbit
>>>>> eventually.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/Numbers/Math/Mathematical_Thinking/sunlight_exerts_pressure.htm
>>>> That is a distinct possibility. But probably not for quite some
>>>> time, and ordinary mortals count time.
>>>> Still, it is much more possible to have something orbit the moon
>>>> at a minimum pero-luna of 1 meter, than to have something with a
>>>> perogee of 1 meter.
>>>>
>>> The "1 meter orbit" is impractical: there are too many mountain ranges that
>>> would get in the way and, if you're willing to stipulate "1 meter above the
>>> mountain peaks" then you're talking about a 2-mile high orbit.<grin>
>>
>> I think it might be possible to set up an orbit which avoids the
>> Luna mountain ranges for the most part., skimming over the mares on
>> the earthside, and then farther out on the Farside.
>>
>> But still, even it is all no more than 1 meter over the highest
>> mountain on the moon, can you set up an orbit around the earth which
>> at it's closest is at 29,003.3 feet above mean sea level? (One meter
>> over Mt Everest?)
>> -
>
>Of course not, pyotr.
>A meter above the top of Everest is deep inside the atmosphere.
>
>That's note a free orbit, but hypersonic flight...

Which is part of the illustration. When you go to Mars or
Earth,you can use "low tech" means to de-orbit and land "for free"
(for certain values of "free".) In those cases, you do not need to be
under power all the way to the surface. (I have a story which involves
a "dead stick" (no power) from orbit... it is weird.)
But to land on the Moon, you need to power all the way down. On
the Moon, you can "almost miss" the ground and get away with it.
"orbit one meter above the surface" - but not on Mars or Earth.

-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

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TOPIC: Bubble of Ignorance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/2990ea519b199327?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 1:28 am
From: Cliff

On 3 Apr 2010 00:02:07 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:

>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>news:6ps2r5teal6uk3seol6hbd68m3aeodr9q2@4ax.com:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUnlbtn6EdI&feature=youtube_gdata
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdmjbxMs7hg
>>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg
>
>Wow.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2iiirr5KI8

[
Modern up to date countries that are light years ahead of the USA in everything
laugh their asses off? at morons in American who can't even figure out a decent
health care system?

We willl bury you imbecile Americunts, just like Kruschev predicted.
]

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 1:46 am
From: Cliff

On 3 Apr 2010 00:02:07 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:

[
After years of protection from the likes of Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff,
employers on the Northern Mariana Islands would finally have to pay workers the
federal minimum wage under legislation before the House tomorrow.

Democrats have long tried to pull the Northern Marianas under the umbrella of
U.S. labor laws, accusing the island government and its industry leaders of
coddling sweatshops and turning a blind eye to forced abortions and indentured
servitude. But Abramoff, the once-powerful Republican lobbyist now in federal
prison, spent millions of dollars from the island and its business interests
currying favor with Republicans, aligning support with conservative interest
groups and thwarting every effort to intervene in the Northern Marianas'
economy.
....
Ever since Abramoff's lobbying scandal broke, top Democrats have been eager to
highlight the labor-rights records of the Northern Mariana Islands. The islands
were a top client of Abramoff's and had close ties to DeLay, the onetime House
majority leader from Texas, and other Republicans.
....
By including the Northern Marianas, Democrats say they hope to end abusive
sweatshops, especially in the garment industry. Miller has told harrowing
stories of meeting veiled or masked indentured servants and wage slaves in
Mariana Islands churches, who told their stories under the threat of grievous
retaliation from their employers. But Miller's efforts to bring the islands
under U.S. labor laws were thwarted repeatedly by Abramoff allies, who
maintained the islands have been a business-friendly model of free enterprise in
the Pacific.

"I have been trying to fix the deplorable situation in the Northern Marianas
since I first held hearings on the issue in 1992, 15 years ago," Miller said.
"But under Republican control, the House never even held a hearing."

Plus .....
http://www.msmagazine.com/spring2006/paradise_full.asp
"Paradise Lost "
"Greed, Sex Slavery, Forced Abortions and Right-Wing Moralists"

HTH
--
Cliff

]

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TOPIC: More fun at the RNC
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4dd5be57ef8db267?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 1:32 am
From: Cliff

On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 19:41:04 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law>
wrote:

>
>
>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>news:6ldbr5lbob6s94rdesm8tccvpscl8p0n7i@4ax.com...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rnc-mailer-directs-donors-sex-line/story?id=10260571
[
The Republican National Committee inadvertently distributed fundraising mail
earlier this month with a return number that leads to a phone-sex line offering
to connect callers with "hot horny girls ... students, housewives, and working
girls from all over the country."

"We love nasty talk as much as you do," a woman's voice says on the sex-line's
audio recording.
....
]

>> No wonder so many join up !!!
>> --
>> Cliff
>>
>
>wow

http://media.nola.com/stevekelley/photo/31march10toonnolajpg-267971a497179d79_large.jpg

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 1:58 am
From: Cliff

On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:59:52 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <1gicr5lb7jft4bm62l9ek0apsib5h08bfb@4ax.com>,
>Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:47:39 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <i8uar5phs7c9vv3c1uhe4g46mqvrer277u@4ax.com>,
>> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 19:07:55 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <0fs5r5dbvbh6vrfiqec6m5gnhajjhgoudm@4ax.com>,
>> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:11:00 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >In article <mml0r5p29etm2kvp5jgcifq0n9m4k8r5li@4ax.com>,
>> >> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:30:36 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >In article <a9qvm511bjhp3a8j5ur99kgt312mb5ijjq@4ax.com>,
>> >> >> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Hence the court had to make new law, right?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >What new law is that ?
>> >> >> >> >Go ahead and take all the pages you need.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html
>> >> >> >> "Overruling two important precedents about the First Amendment rights of
>> >> >> >> corporations, ..."
>> >> >> >> "The decision will be felt most immediately in the coming midterm elections
>> >> >> >> ..."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >What new law was that ?
>> >> >> >You still havn't explained ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Wingers are always objecting to courts making "new law".
>> >> >> This case is a perfect example of such.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yet you can't explain what that "new law" might be even given numerous
>> >> >opportunities..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I can see you never paid attention in class either.
>> >> Any class. About anything.
>> >>
>> >> Eighth grade & out (knowing it all)?
>> >> At about age 19?
>> >
>> >I can't speak to your education, or obvious lack thereof..
>> >
>> >You still trying to find that new law you claim was made ?
>>
>> Was it legal before?
>> Nope.
>
>Yup, it was entirely legal prior to your fascist buddies passing yet
>another unconstitutional law.

What unconstitutional law might that be?

>The SC ruling merely corrected that mistake.

Corporations are not proper persons & never have been.

>>
>> >Or are you surrendering and trying to change the subject ?
>> >Again...
>>
>> You lose again.
>
>Every day the Fascist's you defend remain in power America loses...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
"Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives; values; and
systems such as the political system and the economy."
"Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the
conventional left-right political spectrum,"
"Fascism is strongly opposed to core aspects of the Enlightenment and is an
opponent of liberalism, .."
"Italian Fascism's economy was based on corporatism and a number of other
fascist movements similarly promoted corporatism."
"They promoted the interests of successful businesses while banning trade
unions and other workers' organizations."

You don't even know the meaning of simple words.

Ignorant winger.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Some CAD/CAM history
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fe8dd334dae30f96?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 2:03 am
From: Cliff

On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:32:52 -0700 (PDT), cncmillgil <milgil@cin.net> wrote:

>On Apr 2, 1:16 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 04:35:01 -0700 (PDT), cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
>> >> Sell jb AutoCAD <G>.
>> >probably the most user available software in the world?
>> >who hasn't used Acad?
>> >use it to program a CNC? I dont think so.
>>
>> IIRC There are quite a few third-party add-ons
>> to do exactly that.
>> Many are free IIRC.
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>They should be free! they, they just "automate" acad commands?
>which begs the question: is lisp dead?
>WTF cares?

Ought to be fine for arcs & lines <G>.
Though I doubt jb could drill any holes.

>anyone using it is in the "stone age" unless they are just "playing
>around" with nothing better to do, not really concerned about being
>efficiency & profitable. So its ok for "hobby lobby" use for those
>that don't know how to use a scientific calculator?

Probably lots faster.
I used to have a calculator.
It was faster than COMPACT-II, all things considered ....
(in that specific work environment).
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: OT:Obamacare question...serious...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1c8b1deed9e36f58?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 2:17 am
From: Cliff

On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 16:54:17 -0500, "vinny" <vinny@vp3d.net> wrote:

>
>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>news:nlgcr5pgq6iaobok7cnktrksu2t20rd0go@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:27:19 -0700, sittingduck <duck@spamherelots.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>vinny wrote:
>>>
>>>> WTF
>>>
>>>Reg Henry
>>>GOP's complaining has turned unhealthy
>>>Wednesday, March 31, 2010
>>>By Reg Henry, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>>>
>>>What was the charming little phrase that conservatives would say to those
>>>of us disappointed when George W. Bush became president? It's hard to
>>>believe that it has receded down the rabbit hole of memory. It was so
>>>wonderfully pithy.
>>>
>>>Ah yes, I remember now. "Get over it!" This was considered the height of
>>>conservative wit back in 2000 and 2004 and all the long years after
>>
>> OTOH you have to recall that it was actually half-witted
>> (like most rethuggery & wingerisims).
>
>Do you actually believe the democrats are any better than the republicans?

Did you find those "WMDs" yet?
Pay off the rethug debts too?

>Any more genuous, any more intelligent, any more less criminal?
>
> The way I see it is if a president or a party supports laws that are good
>for manufacturing growth...they are doing their job. If they hurt
>manufacturing in any way they should be seen as traitors.

So when the rethugs & wingers lost or exported about half of
all US manufacturing jobs over the last decade you applauded.

> When was the last time either party did a damn thing for manufacturing?
>Manufacturing is being stomped out...why? What is the gain? What will our
>kids do, our grandkids, etc... friggen everyone can't work at wallmart?
>Imagine a world where whole generations go thru their whole lives without
>creating anything from scratch.
> (shivers)

Rush told you all that?

>
>Screw the loser dems, screw the self rightous repuks, screw this pres, and
>the last pres. But we got off easy, instead of bush, then obama, could of
>been gore, then hillary...we'd all prolly be dead by now instead of just
>broke and ashamed..

You could have Palin <VBG>.

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TOPIC: Working class
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/facb62633a2f2005?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 2:32 am
From: Strabo

Dan wrote:
> Strabo wrote:
>> hal wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:16:35 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> And the winner of the Chicken Dinner is.....Obama......... 8% !!!
>>>>
>>>> Yep! Thats right! Only 8% !!! ..... the least by far of the last 19
>>>> presidents!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Notice you don't provide a cite. No doubt because you got this where
>>> you get most of your shit... out of your ass..
>>>
>>>> And these people are trying to tell our big corporations how to run
>>>> their business?
>>>>
>>>> They know what's best for GM...Chrysler... Wall Street... and you and
>>>> me?
>>>>
>>>> How can the president of a major nation and society...the one with the
>>>> most successful economic system in world history... stand and talk
>>>> about
>>>> business when he's never worked for
>>>> one? ...... or about jobs when he has never really had one??!
>>>
>>> The man went to Harvard. Something you could never have done.
>>
>> It's very difficult to get into Harvard, not because of academic
>> requirements but because acceptance is based on social and political
>> criteria. So how did Barry Soetoro get in? What was his connection?
>
> Grades?
>

Mediocre.

But he did have a recommendation from a Communist mentor.

>
>> And where did he get $50,000 a year?
>
> Most private Universities provide.
>

Only if they want you. Why did Yale want Barry?

>
>> Barry Soetoro was CIA sponsored at Columbia.
>
> Oh?
>

Sure. After he was recruited.

You're so far behind you probably don't know about his
international travels.

Remember Clinton's trip to Moscow and other then off-limit
places? Well, Barry did something similar.

>
>> Barry Soetoro was an affirmative action student at Harvard.
>
> Make your case, but don't contradict yourself, as you do above.
>

He qualified via affirmative action and could have gotten points
as a foreign national. His father was a British subject.

>
> Dan
>

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TOPIC: Am I a fool to buy this mill/drill?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a1b543030985642c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 3:15 am
From: Tom Ivar Helbekkmo

"Michael Koblic" <mkoblic@gmail.com> writes:

>> Yup - I have one of those kits; the standard 42 piece 12mm (7/16")
>> T-slot, M10 threaded kit. I had to find a couple of M10 screws and cut
>> the heads off them to be able to clamp the vise, though: the clamp kit
>> can't clamp anything that thin, because even the shortest of the
>> supplied studs are too long. (They have this non-threaded bit in the
>> middle that limits how close to the table you can get the nut.)
>
> Can't you just use short bolts? I do.

Of course -- but I didn't have any that were short enough, and since I
had to cut them down anyway, I chose to make suitable studs that could
be used with the clamping kit, too. (I couldn't go out and buy short
bolts, either, because it's Easter, and Norway is officially Lutheran
Protestant Christian. Easter being a big deal for the Christians, the
whole country comes to a complete halt for five days. Suits me fine: I
have five days off to tidy up my home workshop and get this mill set up
and working.)

> The problem came when I took the vise of the swivel base: The holes
> were only 5/16" and I could not use my 3/8" T-nuts. In the end I cut
> off some 3/8" bolts and turned a portion down to 5/16" and then cut
> the appropriate size threads. Now the bottom goes into the T-nuts and
> the top through the holes in the base and I do not take up additional
> space through having to use the clamps.

That's clever! You can still use the swivel base if you need to, since
you haven't modified the vise in any way. How did you hold the bolts
when turning them down and threading them, without damaging the existing
thread?

-tih
--
Self documenting code isn't. User application constraints don't. --Ed Prochak

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TOPIC: More wingnut threats
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a091514f70a732e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 4:13 am
From: "Fred B. Brown"

Hey Dumbass, quit hitting the send key. Once is enough.

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:d0rdr5p10pld9veq5g9mocue3trpl4h117@4ax.com...
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-governors-threats3-2010apr03,0,273796.story
> "Guardians of the Free Republics' letters to governors spur inquiry"
> [
> At least 30 governors have received the group's demand that they cede
> office in
> three days. Federal officials say they're investigating whether the
> message
> might be considered a threat.
>
> By Kathleen Hennessey
>
> April 2, 2010 | 5:19 p.m.
>
> Reporting from Washington - Governors across the country have received
> letters
> from a quasi-religious, anti-government group ordering them to step down
> from
> office in three days, in what the group's website said was the first step
> to
> disband parts of the U.S. government.
> ....
> California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has not received the letter, said a
> spokeswoman for the California Highway Patrol, which is charged with the
> governor's safety.
> ....
> ]
>
> But the wingnutz fear the Terminator (or ran out of postage).
>
> Hi, gummer !!!
>
> http://www.guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/front-page.html
> --
> Cliff

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TOPIC: I brought home another toy today
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7909885201f00459?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 4:15 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Steve B wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > They are made by Campbell Hausfeld and private branded for Home
> > Depot.
>
> And their warranty and customer support SUCKS.

Maybe they just don't want to put up with someone like YOU?

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 4:15 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Steve B wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:4BB51B65.81FCE312@earthlink.net...
> >
> > Stormin Mormon wrote:
> >>
> >> I bought a C-H pressure washer, years ago. Plastic pump
> >> housing, which cracked during use. Left me without a washer.
> >> I decided not to buy a plastic pump if possible. Home Depot
> >> had one, Powermate brand, which had metal housing. That has
> >> worked well, for me.
> >>
> >> Two 750 watt power inverters, Huskey and Vector, both from
> >> ebay. One died. Went and looked. It was the Husky which
> >> died. I guess that's a couple more votes to avoid those
> >> brands.
> >
> >
> > Sigh. What pathetic logic. It says nothing about the quality, or how
> > you (ab)used them.
>
> And you , being the omnipotent being you are can make judgments on such
> things?
>
> I wish he had read my post back when my Husky took a shit and not bought
> one. Now I hope that two posts here that Husky is shit will sway someone
> away from their power washers. All, that is, except the omnipotent.

Two failures is too small of a sample for proper statistical
analyses, no matter how tight your panties are bunched. This compressor
was used daily, five days a week for two years in a manufacturing
environment where both metalworking and assembly of vinyl canopies were
done. With out it or the matching Campbell Hausfeld, there would have
been no shipments.

Keep bitching about things you don't understand.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

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TOPIC: Actual Metalworking
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c29b7f23d5c89a85?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 4:16 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Tim Wescott wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > Wes wrote:
> >> Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
> >>
> >>> _And_ it starts with a ni-starter -- Cox glow heads _demand_ a good dry
> >>> cell battery, and just sneer at you if you try to give them 1.2V from a
> >>> nicad.
> >> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/cox_head.txt
> >> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/cox_head-inside.jpg
> >> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/cox_head-on_plane.jpg
> >> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/cox_head-plans.jpg
> >> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/cox_head-top.jpg
> >>
> >> That .3v per cell matters at times.
> >
> >
> > A fresh carbon zinc is closer to 1.55 volts. 1.2 volts would be a
> > little over a 40% reduction in power dissipate in the glow plug.
>
> It goes lower than that when you load it up with a glow plug. The power
> reduction wouldn't be quite 40%, as the resistance goes down with
> temperature -- but it's still enough of a drop that the engine gets to
> be quite a bit harder to start.

It doesn't take much, plus I've seen people try to use a lot more
wire than they need which adds to the droop.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 5:58 am
From: "RogerN"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4BB67E5B.50B25BF9@earthlink.net...
>
> Wes wrote:
>>
>> Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
>>
>> >_And_ it starts with a ni-starter -- Cox glow heads _demand_ a good dry
>> >cell battery, and just sneer at you if you try to give them 1.2V from a
>> >nicad.
>>
>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/cox_head.txt
>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/cox_head-inside.jpg
>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/cox_head-on_plane.jpg
>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/cox_head-plans.jpg
>> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/cox_head-top.jpg
>>
>> That .3v per cell matters at times.
>
>
> A fresh carbon zinc is closer to 1.55 volts. 1.2 volts would be a
> little over a 40% reduction in power dissipate in the glow plug.
>
>
> --
> Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

There seems to be a lot of difference in the internal resistance of the
batteries too. For example, it would be interesting to measure the voltage
at the glow head using a Sub C Nicad versus a C cell carbon zinc, I doubt
there would be a 40% difference, the Nicad might even deliver more voltage
to the glow head. However using a 1.5V lantern battery sized carbon zinc
cell would get the voltage up there. For glow plugs I use either 1.2V
rechargeable or my power panel glow driver, I guess the power panel would be
better for Cox engines but I haven't used them enough in R/C to notice a
difference.

RogerN

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TOPIC: control a pot
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f3b72e357cb90ca7?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 4:20 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Karl Townsend wrote:
>
> >What you suggest would work if the pot is a two-terminal variable
> >resistance. If it is a three-terminal voltage divider you need to
> >understand and describe the possible CNC outputs and pot circuit more
> >thoroughly.
>
> Ya, see your point. Its three treminal. To do this, I'd have to double the
> complexity and have resistors above and below the wiper. Pot turner looks
> better now.

Karl there are dc powered, motorized pots made by Alps and others for
remote volume controls. but you could use a R/C servo motor to turn the
pot, and a 555 timer IC to generate the PWM control signals. This was
common on the old C-band feed horns to select the polarity, and trim the
alignment as you changed channels.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 4:29 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Karl Townsend wrote:
>
> > There are several semiconductor companies who make digital pots
> > and board level digital pots are available too.
> > Google "digital potentiometer".
> > Art
>
> I've done this search and only find ICs for circuit board type stuff. Not
> something to just replace a pot in a machine. Maybe it exists but all the
> descriptions are written in EE not english.

Digital pots are not intended as drop in replacements. They are low
voltage, low power devices that usually need microprocessor control.
Any noise in the control wiring or supply rail corrupt the settings.
They were intended to replace pots inside a piece of equipment, to allow
ATE calibration of equipment.

Depending on the current required at that input, a DAC and OpAmp
might be usable. If the DAC is parallel input you could store several
preset levels, and select them by changing the status of the address
lines of a EEPROM or EPROM. A lower tech method would be the use of
diode arrays to control the DAC inputs.

BTW, we used DACs for volume controls on telemetry receivers. We fed
the low level audio to the reference pin, then used the output to feed
the audio amplifier.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 5:33 am
From: "RogerN"

"Karl Townsend" <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote in message
news:4bb6760e$0$77537$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...
>I need to control a pot with my CNC control. One option is to get a pot
>turner like this:
> http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=179
>
> This would work but I'm not real keen on having a device to physically
> turn a knob.
>
>
> I've got a whacky idea that I'd like to run past the EE types in the
> group. I have a large number of unused Opto 22 digital outputs
> http://www.opto22.com/site/pr_details.aspx?cid=4&item=G4ODC5
>
> For sake of argument, lets keep the numbers simple. Get four resistors,
> 100, 200, 400, 800 ohm in series in place of the pot. In parallel with
> each resistor put an opto output. Then using base two, any resistance from
> 0 to 1500 ohms is possible. The switch time on these outs is 100
> microseconds - I'm thinking a pot to control power level on the plasma
> cutter couldn't possibly notice the switch time. I don't know if these
> devices will work at 0 volt between the otpo 22 output connections.
>
> Or is there another easy way to do a pot with a CNC control?
>
> Karl

There are motorized potentiometers like some stereo's use with remote volume
control. There is also a digital pot that acts like a motorized pot. I've
seen the equivalent circuits for digital pots, you could make an equivalent.
For example, make a 2K ohm resistance using 10ea 200 ohm resistors in
series, the voltage output depends on the junction you select with an analog
switch. It may be a better solution to use some sort of digital pot, if you
can't find a digital pot to work with 24V you could use an op-amp to change
the voltage you can get from the pot (or DAC for that mater) to the 0-24V
range.

Parallax has some digital pots on their website, complete with datasheets
and source code for the Basic Stamp.

But for CNC control, I would probably just use a 0-10V analog output, like I
do for my spindle speed, and amplify it to 0-24V. If you wanted you could
control your pot output with your S command.

RogerN

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 5:36 am
From: Pete Keillor

On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 17:58:04 -0500, "Karl Townsend"
<karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:

>I need to control a pot with my CNC control. One option is to get a pot
>turner like this:
>http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=179
>
>This would work but I'm not real keen on having a device to physically turn
>a knob.
>
>
>I've got a whacky idea that I'd like to run past the EE types in the group.
>I have a large number of unused Opto 22 digital outputs
>http://www.opto22.com/site/pr_details.aspx?cid=4&item=G4ODC5
>
>For sake of argument, lets keep the numbers simple. Get four resistors, 100,
>200, 400, 800 ohm in series in place of the pot. In parallel with each
>resistor put an opto output. Then using base two, any resistance from 0 to
>1500 ohms is possible. The switch time on these outs is 100 microseconds -
>I'm thinking a pot to control power level on the plasma cutter couldn't
>possibly notice the switch time. I don't know if these devices will work at
>0 volt between the otpo 22 output connections.
>
>Or is there another easy way to do a pot with a CNC control?
>
>Karl
>

A lot of the stuff I've used (dc motor controls, vfd's) that has a pot
also has another way to control output, such as analog signal input
terminals. I suppose you've exhausted the possibility of such for
your plasma torch?

Pete Keillor

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TOPIC: Terrorists strike again !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d6fc092ce2bbfea7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 5:42 am
From: "RogerN"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hp6h6e$1jr$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 4/2/2010 12:54 PM, RogerN wrote:
>> "Hawke"<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>> news:hp5eq6$mn7$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On 4/2/2010 4:00 AM, RogerN wrote:
<snip>
>>>
>>> Hate to have to correct you, Rog. But in the U.S. we elected a Christian
>>> president. So what country do you live in where your president is a
>>> Muslim?
>>>
>>> Hawke
>>
>> In the Divided States of Ameristan the Muslim President is Obama, AKA The
>> Great Reneger. One of the first things he did was to bow and apologize
>> to
>> the Muslims for Bush's war on terror and he wants them to know he's on
>> the
>> terrorists side.
>>
>> RogerN
>>
>>
>
> Lots of people say the Americans are the terrorists. If they're right then
> so are you. Obama is on their side.
>
> Hawke

Yeah, Obama did continue Bush's war on terror, at least to some extent, so I
suppose he isn't completely pro-terrorist. But as far as him being a
Christian, believing Obama is a Christian is like believing a midget that
told you he was a leprechaun.

RogerN

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TOPIC: On Topic- Lets get rid of Cliff Options
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f1df1a24c6bce151?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 6:45 am
From: axolotl

On 4/2/2010 10:19 AM, Louis Ohland wrote:
>
>> b) Downloading a real news client such as Forte, Thunderbird, or
>> Gravity, and
>> getting yourself an account at a free news server such as
>> eternal-september.
>
> Sorry to break it to you, but Thunderbird will NOT take care of
> cross-posting. We've tried.

T3 now has a newsgroup-->contains filter, allowing the exclusion of the
whacko groups.

Kevin Gallimore

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TOPIC: Source for 5MM or 3/16 HP tubing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e8a31c197475ee64?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 7:49 am
From: Wes

Jerry Wass <wassbiplane@tds.net> wrote:

>You say 3/16" .090 is this .090 wall thickness? If so, then the
>bore of the tube must be only .0075-----3/16=.1875 2X.090=.180--???

I'm trying to get something closer to 0.060" ID, the stuff I have now is 0.090" ID.

Wes

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TOPIC: OT-Democrats host gunfight
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 6:50 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:51:45 -0700, the infamous "azotic"
<azotic@cox.net> scrawled the following:

>42 shootings in 3 days.
>
>24 shootings in 24 hours.

And only 2 dead. Demonrats are lousy shots, too, aren't they?

>Democrats shure can run a city.
>
>http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/wgntv-shooting-west-englewood-police-apr2,0,4846642.story

What a place to raise a President!
Gentle breezes, clean voting, safe streets, nice mob.
Uh, pass.

--
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent,
but the one most responsive to change.
-- Charles Darwin

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