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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 1:54 pm
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in news:hp5h0n$pqt$2
@speranza.aioe.org:

>
>>> The government is neither intrusive nor obtrusive...except to
>>> criminals...it's under funded.
>>>
>>> The population of the USA is over 77 times larger than it was when
the
>>> constitution was ratified.
>>
>> Which has little to do with founding principles.
>>
>>> Government must grow to keep up with the people's needs.
>>>
>>> Unless.....you are an anarchist (libertarian)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't have a problem with certain types of growth. I don't need
>> changes to the main philosophies that this country was founded on. I
>> want a government to give me information....let me make my decisions.
I
>> don't like mandates like you must buy healthcare or go to jail.
>
>
> How about a government that mandates you go into the military and fight
> wherever and whenever it wants to start a war?

We haven't had that in years. When do you think the last draft was?
Try 1973. In 1973, the draft ended and the U.S. converted to an all-
volunteer military. Now, in 1980, your boy Jimmy Carter resumed it again
in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Registration continues
today as a hedge against underestimating the number of servicemen needed
in a future crisis but there has been no draft.

Now, as far as my beliefs.....I believe that everyone in this country
should spend from two to six years in service to the country. That could
be done in the military, the Peace Corps, working government projects,
whatever. It would occur between the ages of 16 and 26, pay a living
wage (not a big one) and for each year of service, you get one year of
college (tuition and books, dorm room) at any college or university that
accepts you.

> Or is it just healthcare
> you don't want to be told you must participate in?

At least in the one above, I get paid and get an education at least
partially funded. In the healthcare thingy, I have to pay monies out.
If the government wants everyone to have healthcare, then, damnit, do it.
Don't require people to have to purchase a product or go to jail.

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

You simply have to stay in shape. My grandmother started
walking 5 miles a day when she was 60. She is now 97 and
we have no idea where she is.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 1:56 pm
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in
news:hp5ie6$s27$1@speranza.aioe.org:

> On 4/2/2010 12:44 PM, tankfixer wrote:
>> In article<hp5h0n$pqt$2@speranza.aioe.org>,
>> davesmithers@digitalpath.net says...
>>>
>>>>> The government is neither intrusive nor obtrusive...except to
>>>>> criminals...it's under funded.
>>>>>
>>>>> The population of the USA is over 77 times larger than it was when
>>>>> the constitution was ratified.
>>>>
>>>> Which has little to do with founding principles.
>>>>
>>>>> Government must grow to keep up with the people's needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless.....you are an anarchist (libertarian)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a problem with certain types of growth. I don't need
>>>> changes to the main philosophies that this country was founded on.
>>>> I want a government to give me information....let me make my
>>>> decisions. I don't like mandates like you must buy healthcare or
>>>> go to jail.
>>>
>>>
>>> How about a government that mandates you go into the military and
>>> fight wherever and whenever it wants to start a war? Or is it just
>>> healthcare you don't want to be told you must participate in?
>>
>> No body has been drafted for nearly 40 years...
>
>
> The U.S. has had a draft numerous times in our history. So have many
> other countries. Just because we don't have one now doesn't mean we
> won't have it some time in the future. The point is government has
> always had the ability to control the public in very complete terms.
> Now it's doing it in a benign way that is intended to be beneficial
> for the whole country and some people don't like that. It has the
> legitimate power to do it. If it can put you in prison or in the
> military when it wants to it sure can make you participate in a
> national health care system.

Whoa...the only time my country can put me in prison is if I commit a
crime. They also won't put me in the military if I am 4F. Even if they
do, I am getting paid to do that. It is not the government telling me I
have to purchase a product from a private supplier or go to jail. Do you
even understand the difference, Hawke?

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

You simply have to stay in shape. My grandmother started
walking 5 miles a day when she was 60. She is now 97 and
we have no idea where she is.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 2:15 pm
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

Jim Stewart <jstewart@jkmicro.com> wrote in
news:hp5l77$1ui$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> Hawke wrote:
>>
>>>> The government is neither intrusive nor obtrusive...except to
>>>> criminals...it's under funded.
>>>>
>>>> The population of the USA is over 77 times larger than it was when
>>>> the constitution was ratified.
>>>
>>> Which has little to do with founding principles.
>>>
>>>> Government must grow to keep up with the people's needs.
>>>>
>>>> Unless.....you are an anarchist (libertarian)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't have a problem with certain types of growth. I don't need
>>> changes to the main philosophies that this country was founded on.
>>> I want a government to give me information....let me make my
>>> decisions. I don't like mandates like you must buy healthcare or go
>>> to jail.
>>
>>
>> How about a government that mandates you go into the military and
>> fight wherever and whenever it wants to start a war? Or is it just
>> healthcare you don't want to be told you must participate in?
>
> I could argue that that's a more moral option
> than simply paying people to fight a war for
> you. A draft that selects from the entire
> population pool, rich and poor, powerful and
> weak, will cause far more popular opposition
> to a morally corrupt war than an all volunteer
> military.
>

Yep....however, part of the problem with our draft is that it didn't
select from an entire population pool. It skipped over the rich and took
the poor, the (politically) powerful and took the weak and
disproportionately took minorities.

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

You simply have to stay in shape. My grandmother started
walking 5 miles a day when she was 60. She is now 97 and
we have no idea where she is.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 3:15 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <hp5ie6$s27$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
davesmithers@digitalpath.net says...
>
> On 4/2/2010 12:44 PM, tankfixer wrote:
> > In article<hp5h0n$pqt$2@speranza.aioe.org>,
> > davesmithers@digitalpath.net says...
> >>
> >>>> The government is neither intrusive nor obtrusive...except to
> >>>> criminals...it's under funded.
> >>>>
> >>>> The population of the USA is over 77 times larger than it was when the
> >>>> constitution was ratified.
> >>>
> >>> Which has little to do with founding principles.
> >>>
> >>>> Government must grow to keep up with the people's needs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unless.....you are an anarchist (libertarian)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't have a problem with certain types of growth. I don't need
> >>> changes to the main philosophies that this country was founded on. I
> >>> want a government to give me information....let me make my decisions. I
> >>> don't like mandates like you must buy healthcare or go to jail.
> >>
> >>
> >> How about a government that mandates you go into the military and fight
> >> wherever and whenever it wants to start a war? Or is it just healthcare
> >> you don't want to be told you must participate in?
> >
> > No body has been drafted for nearly 40 years...
>
>
> The U.S. has had a draft numerous times in our history. So have many
> other countries. Just because we don't have one now doesn't mean we
> won't have it some time in the future. The point is government has
> always had the ability to control the public in very complete terms. Now
> it's doing it in a benign way that is intended to be beneficial for the
> whole country and some people don't like that. It has the legitimate
> power to do it. If it can put you in prison or in the military when it
> wants to it sure can make you participate in a national health care system.

The government is explicitly charged with providing a defense.
Kindly point out where it has the specific constitutional duty to
provide health care...

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TOPIC: OT - Hyperinflation as a goal?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5baf0df42579e249?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 3:11 pm
From: Wes

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:

>> Since you mentioned him, he just passed away this week...
>
>On Caesar Chavez Day no less.

I actually admire the guy. Speaking of César Chávez.

At least in his earlier days, he was anti illegal immigration since he knew that
undermined the wages of mexican americans that were farm laborers.

Wes

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 4:06 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Wes wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>
>>> Since you mentioned him, he just passed away this week...
>>
>> On Caesar Chavez Day no less.
>
> I actually admire the guy. Speaking of C�sar Ch�vez.
>
> At least in his earlier days, he was anti illegal immigration since
> he knew that undermined the wages of mexican americans that were farm
> laborers.

One of the unintended consequences of his efforts was that illegal
immigration became more attractive.
He also has managed to get State offices closed one day each year.
I went to file a motion in Superior Court and they were closed. I should
have twigged to a holiday of some sort because traffic was pretty light. Man
was I pissed. Three hours of driving and $20.00 to park for nothing.
LOL

--
John R. Carroll

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 3:18 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
news:GvCdnbAGRL-oeC7WnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Wes wrote:
>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

<snip>

>>>
>>> It's difficult to stimulate real growth with deficit spending. At
>>> best, it might turn a decline around, but the effect is a weak one.
>>> Stimulus is not about creating long-term sustainable growth.
>
> AAAAAHHHH - Not exactly.
> At least there is another aspect to this. What you defecit spend ON can
> create the foundation for future growth and this is an important
> consideration.

In theory, it can. In practice, it's very difficult, or maybe impossible, to
direct *enough* of a stimulus into projects that specifically lead to real
growth. You won't get anything but a fizzle if you try to make it all
infrastructure, or education, or other things that arguably provide a
foundation for growth. You can't move enough money, fast enough, that way.

The mainstream view, if I'm not behind on it (I haven't been reading
economics journals for a while), is that you really have to focus on how
money is going to move around, and who it is who needs that money to prevent
a crumbling of important institutions like home ownership, the credit
system, the existing education system and vital services such as police and
fire, etc. The Obama plan does a lot of that. It doesn't do a lot of direct
building of the economy; it keeps crucial institutions from collapsing.

So everyone is always in favor of stimulus that directly feeds real growth,
but no one has ever really succeeded in directing money that way in a
recession. I don't know of a way to do it, politics aside.

--
Ed Huntress

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 3:22 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

<dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message
news:36fd4b4b-71bc-425b-9a26-4e8a0aa141db@j41g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 1, 3:34 am, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:

>
> I have almost no faith at all in the states. I agree with James Madison
> that
> government becomes less competent as its geographic and population scope
> become smaller. If they weren't propped up by the federal government,
> they'd
> collapse like so many houses of cards.
>
> And they're much more corrupt. The state governments are mostly either
> corrupt as hell, buffoonish, or both.
>
> Of course, my impression is colored by living in one of the leading states
> in both corruption and incompetence, <g> but I think the evidence is very
> widespread.
>
>

>I recall that some studies have been made on the optimum size of
>cities. The conclusion was that cities of about 100,000 to 150,000
>had the best quality of life.
>Big enough to have the hospitals, schools, entertainment, etc, but
>with a lower crime rate than larger cities.
>
>
>Dan

Yeah, I think those studies are dealing mostly with the issues of social
services and their necessary scales; interrelationships of business and
people; and so on. At least, that's the way the subject was analyzed in city
planning studies, 40 years ago, when I last encountered it.

Madison was dealing with the question of how to prevent special interests
from politically exploiting the citizenry as a whole. He was speculating,
but his ideas are interesting. And then he sat down and wrote most of the US
Constitution. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Actual Metalworking
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 3:13 pm
From: Wes

Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.now> wrote:

>> Did you rework it or did you make it from scratch?
>
> From scratch -- I only have one high compression head, and it's still
>good. There's no way I'm cutting that up!

Did you take pictures of your setups as you made it?

Wes

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 2:35 pm
From: Bob Engelhardt

Nice. What were the closest tolerances that you had to hold? Bob

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 3:07 pm
From: Tim Wescott

Wes wrote:
> Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
>
>>> Did you rework it or did you make it from scratch?
>> From scratch -- I only have one high compression head, and it's still
>> good. There's no way I'm cutting that up!
>
>
> Did you take pictures of your setups as you made it?

Didn't think of it -- I just took an aluminum bar and hacked away
everything that didn't look like what I wanted.

I don't know that doing so would have been a public service, other than
an example of how one hack-job amateur took care of the work.

I'm planning on doing a few, to experiment with compression ratios and
combustion chamber shape, so I'll think about doing it then.

I'm on a bit of a mission. You can get these adapters, but the word on
the street is that they don't work as well as the Cox heads, because not
much attention is paid to combustion chamber shape. So I'm interested
not only in "can I make this work", but "can I make this work well", and
"can I make this work for low nitro fuel".

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 3:20 pm
From: "RogerN"

"Tim Wescott" <tim@seemywebsite.now> wrote in message
news:97Gdncr0Tfyi2ijWnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@web-ster.com...
> http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/. Search on "cox_head".
>
> Just finished running it -- ran through a whole tank of 10% nitro fuel. I
> couldn't do that with the stock head; I think it just didn't have enough
> compression. This head has stupid-high compression* -- it runs better
> with a stack of three head gaskets than it does with none (I need to try
> it with one or two).
>
> _And_ it starts with a ni-starter -- Cox glow heads _demand_ a good dry
> cell battery, and just sneer at you if you try to give them 1.2V from a
> nicad.
>
> * Note that it was built with more compression than the drawing indicates,
> and wider fin spacing.
>
> --
> Tim Wescott
> Control system and signal processing consulting
> www.wescottdesign.com

That's pretty nice! I have a Norvell engine that I'm not sure if glow plugs
are still available for, if not I may be making an adapter similar to that
some day.

I used to want one of the Davis Diesel conversion heads for the COX .049s
but never got one. I still think it would be fun to play with, just not
sure how practical they are.

I have a "Tarno" carburetor from years ago, fits on a Cox TD.049/.051 engine
and gives you throttle control, I never used it, they may be worth something
these days.

RogerN

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TOPIC: More fun at the RNC
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 2:22 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Apr 2, 4:22 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:
> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rnc-mailer-directs-donors-sex-line/sto...
> [
> The Republican National Committee inadvertently distributed fundraising mail
> earlier this month with a return number that leads to a phone-sex line offering
> to connect callers with "hot horny girls ... students, housewives, and working
> girls from all over the country."
>
> "We love nasty talk as much as you do," a woman's voice says on the sex-line's
> audio recording.
> ....
> ]
>
> No wonder so many join up !!!
> --
> Cliff

And none of the Republicans noticed anything wrong.

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

Stupid conservative idiots!

TMT

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TOPIC: Manufacturing is BOOMING in USA
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c816c7bd5e73ce02?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 2:25 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Is the boom due to census workers hired for the couple
weeks? Or, maybe the new IRS guys, and all the workers
mandated by the Health Care Deform?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
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Awesome! How many manufacturing jobs are they moving from
China to the USA?

RogerN

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 3:11 pm
From: "RogerN"

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4bb6179b$0$31270$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
> news:VdidncURnMB5pyjWnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>
>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>> news:H_udneErx7GYryjWnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Ignoramus23298 wrote:
>>>> On 2010-04-01, RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> The Bush policies are finally starting to yield positive results.
>>>>> Of course, BHO's lackeys won't be giving Bush credit.
>>>>
>>>> Recall the timeline of the events. The crisis hit us in the late
>>>> September of 2008, on the eights year of Bush presidency.
>>>
>>> The crisis had been in the works for nearly two years at that point with
>>> Congress passing the first of several spending measures on January 25th
>>> (?)
>>> 2008.
>>
>>
>> Sounds about right, the crisis hit when the Democrats won big in the
>> election in 2006 and took a turn for the worse when Obama pulled ahead in
>> the polls around Sept 2008. No wonder the Bible says the "Fool" has said
>> there is no God, you Atheists prove the Bible correct time after time and
>> you don't even know it!
>>
>> RogerN
>
> Roger, don't be an idiot. The Republicans blocked legislation 104 times in
> the last Congress -- and that was counted before it was over.
>
> There were no big economic policies enacted during that time, and none at
> all that didn't have Republican support. So please quit playing your banjo
> and take a look at what really happened.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>

Ok, now I understand, every time the Democrats win more seats, things go
further south and it's the Republicans fault. So now Obama stole more of
the economy from our kids, our future, and he's doing a good job. Sorry to
be such an idiot and not realize these obvious truths. :-)

RogerN

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TOPIC: Insurance claim....
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 3:29 pm
From: Wes

Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>When I wrenched for a body shop, their nickname for State Farm was
>"Snake Farm". I understood that they slithered out from under
>payments to the insured whenever they could and used underhanded
>techniques to force them to settle for less. A few people fought back
>and easily won. I've avoided Snake Farm since then.

I've had claims on auto's with State Farm. One, I was intentionally hit during the
prelude to a divorce. Jackass creamed the side of my truck when he decided to joust as I
was just trying to go away. What a fing whackjob, he followed me to the cop shop. Of
course the now ex got instant amnesia when we met the cops. Sorry about the rant there.

Many years later, I collided with a wild turkey, I tried to stop, she tried to fly, those
plastic fenders on a Saturn will break.

State Farm covered both just fine.

Oh, I forgot both my Escort and my Ranger each recieved at least one windshield without
issues.

Wes

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 3:43 pm
From: "MLD"

"Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:4bb37028$0$5010$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Awl --
>
> As some of you may know, the NY, NJ area got clobbered by a windstorm last
> week (75+ mph), after quite a snow storm a couple of weeks before. Damage
> was extensive, thousands of trees blown down, some people without
> electricity for a week. Imagine if the trees were fully leaved in the
> summer....
>
> So the insurance adjuster finally came today, and just left, after **3
> hours**, doing a very detailed survey, inside and out -- much more
> detailed than the roofing companies that came out -- and left me with a
> pile of papers and a check, for about $10K, about half of that for branch
> damage to the slate roof, the rest for inside water damage, A/C damage,
> other stuff.
>
> The Q is:
>
> What if the contractor prices come in, and exceed the insurance company
> estimates?
> What happens if damage is later encountered that the adjuster didn't see?
> Recourse? How to handle? War stories??
>
> As a DIY-er, I don't know much about "real" prices, but the wife is
> already pissed, thinks it's way too low.
> I guess it's reasonable to assume that the insurance company bias is to
> lowball stuff.
>
> And, I won't be DIY'ing most of this, that's f'sure, so any lowballing
> could really hurt.
>
> Appreciate all input.
>
> --
> EA
>
>
The best advice that I can give is to hire a public adjuster and let him
deal with the insurance company. He will get you more than you can ever get
by dealing on your own even taking into consideration his fee. Also, have
an understanding with the insurance company that what they give you may not
be the full extent of the damage costs--get some estimates. I speak from
experience-Failed upstairs toilet while away on vacation--got flooded and
destroyed two bathrooms--first insurance company check was for $14,000 after
their initial inspection of the damage--got a public adjuster--final bill
paid by the insurance Co.-$25,000. Also, in the process of repair, if
additional work has to be done in order to meet (new) code requirements most
insurance policies will cover that additional expense--check yours. For
example, I was required to have an exhaust fan and a separate GFI circuit in
the bathroom in order to meet code-Insurance paid for this in full.
Was having a tough time with the insurance co. but once the adjuster got
involved all then went nice and smooth.
MLD

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TOPIC: What is it? Set 330
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 2:28 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I don't tell people, that I was a deputy sherriff at the
jailhouse for several years. Actually, I don't tell anyone
that, at all.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Jim Stewart" <jstewart@jkmicro.com> wrote in message
news:hp2jfr$etu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
Stormin Mormon wrote:

> 1896 is a DOS based fingerprint scanner. It was from about
> 1984. Seattle Washington had about a dozen made for their
> central processing jailhouse, and I'm just guessing.

They weren't just in Seattle. I saw a half-dozen
of them in a junk shop surplussed from the county
of Sacramento.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 3:28 pm
From: "Rob H."

No verifiable answer yet for the forked tool, I think we have the right
general answer for the large yellow part but I haven't been able to nail
down its exact use, the rest of them have been answered correctly:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/04/set-330.html#answers

Rob

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TOPIC: Terrorists strike again !
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 2:36 pm
From: Just Me

You gotta be kidding, A muslim couldn't get elected president in the
US,minimum requirement in christian , and if a sitting president
decided to convert to islam he be dead with in a week,shot by some
"good christian" in order to protect freedom of religion.Of course
good christian is an oxymoron,but that's something else.I'm guessing
you're a good old racist teabagger.

On Apr 2, 4:00 am, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>
> news:5tcbr55pa4657p0muoc82v3qn9ps7fl7ft@4ax.com...
>
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8600345.stm
> > "Thirteen Israeli air strikes hit Gaza Strip"
>
> You gotta love this, we elect a Muslim President and all of a sudden those
> that flew jets into the World Trade Center are our allies and our best
> allies in the Middle East are now Terrorists, talk about spin!
>
> RogerN

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TOPIC: Speed Rack max load
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Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 2:38 pm
From: RBnDFW

Steve W. wrote:
> Karl Townsend wrote:
>> I have the older style of Speed Rack brand warehouse rack in my barn. Its
>> painted yellow. All this generation has this color from what I've seen.
>> About 1985 this design was obsoleted and replaced with the blue speedrack.
>>
>> Anyway, I need to put a 500 gallon water tank ten feet high. I'm sure the
>> verticals will hold the 4000 lbs. as they were originally for five pallets
>> high. But I wonder about the loadbeams. Anyone know? Or, how would you
>> reinforce?
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>
> They should have a load rating stamped on them. Most of the ones I have
> seen do.
>
> You have 4,150 lbs. in the water alone. NOT something you want coming down.
>
> I would probably drop the company a note or call them and see what they
> say. http://www.speedrack.net/
>

No ratings on that site, but I found this:

http://www.cisco-eagle.com/storage/rack/Palletrack/upright_capacities.htm

If that is representative, and I'm reading this right, then 4000 lbs
should be well within the load rating for decent pallet racking

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Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 2:51 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

<wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:5pccr593ee991aonip6n5jgfjp22akhbic@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:30:17 -0500, Don Foreman
> <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
>
>>Thanks, Ed. I do know where the line is.
>
> No, you don't. Ed is being too charitable, as is his habit. The facts
> are that you've written that it's perfectly OK for grown men to write
> thousands of posts talking about hanging others from lamp posts. You'd
> have readers believe that these "cullers" are well-adjusted people
> having normal fantasies about killing others, and you even quoted your
> own fantasies to "prove" that the activity is normal. Plain and simple
> - you're defending, comforting, and enabling these folks. Besides the
> obvious, it's a weasely approach because every sensible reader knows
> that you'd change your tune instantly if confronted by the
> authorities.

I have to agree that I'm surprised, often very surprised, to see people here
who I think are fine and level-headed people not objecting strongly to the
foulness of those character-deprived loudmouths. I can hardly stand to talk
to the "cullers," even those that are otherwise Ok. I just can't forget what
kind of attitudes are informing the things they say.

But there's a big difference between the "cullers" themselves and the people
who just tolerate them. Some people here even tolerate overt racists. It's
just not for me.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Am I a fool to buy this mill/drill?
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Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 2:52 pm
From: Jim Wilkins

On Apr 2, 9:57 am, RBnDFW <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
>
> While I am very pleased with the 3" LMS vise, I am looking at buying a
> smaller screwless vise for small work

If you find a good sale price two identical ones are useful to hold
long narrow work, like 8mm square brass bars. You could for instance
grab both ends of a thin bar and block the two vises high enough to
clear the bed of your main milling vise, then step the work through
the main vise as you mill the top edge. Narrow strips are otherwise
difficult to cut down unless you have even narrower parallels to
support them.

I have only used a screwless vise on the surface grinder where the
fussiness of moving the inner bar doesn't matter.

jsw

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TOPIC: OT - As Peaceful as a Tea Party -- The only person arrested in recent
days for threatening violence against a politician targeted Eric Cantor, the
No. 2 Republican in the House
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Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 3:22 pm
From: Joseph Gwinn

I'm still thinking about the implications of needing machine-gun nests on the
roof of a newspaper building.

Joe Gwinn

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As Peaceful as a Tea Party -- The only person arrested in recent days for
threatening violence against a politician targeted Eric Cantor, the No. 2
Republican in the House.

By JOHN STEELE GORDON

Perhaps a measure of its threat to the liberal agenda, the tea party movement is
being accused‹with little or no supporting evidence‹of using threats, insults
and violence to intimidate the political process.

Rep. John Lewis, (D., Ga.) claimed that when he and other members of the
Congressional Black Caucus walked through a tea party protest last week in
Washington, they heard the N-word hurled at them 15 times. No video or audio
recording‹in an age when such recorders are ubiquitous‹has surfaced to back up
the claim. No one was arrested.

Liberals in the media have taken up the cry that tea partiers and Republican
politicians have issued threats of physical violence. On March 25, Paul Krugman
wrote in his column in the New York Times (echoed in an editorial the following
day) that the chairman of the Republican National Committee "declared that it
was time to put Ms. Pelosi on 'the firing line.' And Sarah Palin put out a map
literally [sic] putting Democratic lawmakers in the cross hairs of a rifle
sight. All of this goes far beyond politics as usual."

It does? "Firing Line," after all, was the name of a highly regarded television
interview program that ran for 33 years, hosted by the eminently civilized
William F. Buckley Jr. None of the hundreds of politicians who appeared on it
were afraid they might be shot. Such words as "target" and "cross hairs" are
standard journalistic metaphor, such as this headline in the March 5 New York
Times, "Looming Climate Regulations Put EPA in Conservatives' Cross Hairs."

[image of protesters]

In fact the only person arrested in recent days for threatening violence against
a politician was held for threatening Eric Cantor, the No. 2 Republican in the
House. A spent bullet also hit the window of Mr. Cantor's district headquarters
recently.

Political violence in this country in recent years has been largely on the left.
Dozens of right-leaning speakers have been prevented from speaking on college
campuses in the last 30 years by the threat or actuality of violence. But if
there has been an instance when a left-leaning speaker was similarly treated, I
do not know of it.

To be sure, tea partiers have carried signs saying such things as "If [newly
elected Massachusetts Senator Scott] Brown can't do it, a Browning can,"
referring to the American firearms manufacturer. But how do those differ from
the signs regularly seen‹if seldom reported on by the mainstream media‹during
the previous administration calling for President Bush to be tried for war
crimes and shot as a traitor?

The fact of the matter is that while American politics is raucous, often rude,
and now and then over the top, it is also remarkably peaceful compared to other
eras and other countries.

Consider the civil rights movement of the mid-20th century. It was a titanic
political struggle that lasted for decades before the civil rights acts of the
1960s finally ended Jim Crow. And there was certainly violence aplenty including
thousands of lynchings in the pre-civil rights era. President Dwight Eisenhower
called out the National Guard to ensure the peaceful integration of schools in
Little Rock, Ark., in 1957. Four young girls were killed when the Ku Klux Klan
bombed a church in Birmingham, Ala., in 1963. Three civil rights workers were
murdered in Philadelphia, Miss., the following year. Martin Luther King Jr. was
assassinated in 1968 and Robert F. Kennedy only three months later.

But terrible as the violence was, compared to social and political movements of
similar magnitude in other countries, the American civil rights movement was
extraordinarily nonviolent, thanks largely to MLK's commitment to nonviolent
resistance. The troubles in Northern Ireland (which has a population of less
than two million) between 1969 and 2001, caused the deaths of over 3,500 people,
mostly innocent bystanders, and 47,000 were injured.

American politics were not always so peaceful, of course. In the revolutionary
era, tarring and feathering was not a metaphor, but all too real. Hot tar was
poured or painted on the victim, causing at least first-degree burns, and he was
then rolled in feathers and paraded around town as a warning to others. Removing
the tar was an agonizing procedure and the burns often became infected.

The practice dated back to medieval England and the first recorded instance of
it in this country was in 1766 in Norfolk, Va. A mob, which included Norfolk's
mayor, tarred and feathered Capt. William Smith and then threw him in the
harbor, from which he was rescued barely in time to prevent his drowning. Capt.
Smith was suspected of collaborating with British customs agents to suppress
smuggling. The last instances of this barbaric practice in America took place in
the 1920s, when labor organizers were tarred and feathered in San Francisco.

By far the worst violence in this country against a duly enacted law was the
draft riot that took place in New York City over three days in July 1863. The
draft had been initiated that year but the law contained a proviso that a man
could pay $300 for a substitute. Many wealthy young men (J.P. Morgan among them)
quickly paid, but the sum was far beyond the reach of the average worker in an
age when the unskilled earned less than $1,000 a year.

Names were drawn out of a box on the first day, July 11, at the draft
headquarters on Third Avenue and 47th Street. But at the second drawing of
numbers on the following Monday, 500 men began throwing paving stones through
the windows and then set the office on fire. Mobs began to rampage through the
streets, from what is now midtown Manhattan to as far south as Union Square. The
police were on their own as the state militia was at Gettysburg, having just
participated in the Union victory there. The police superintendent was severely
injured by rioters at the draft office, and the police were unable to cope. The
Bull's Head Hotel was burned to the ground when it refused to serve the rioters
alcohol.

As many of the working men in the crowd feared competition from newly freed
slaves, the riot quickly took on an anti-black component. The Colored Orphans
Asylum on Fifth Avenue and 44th Street was attacked and the children were barely
evacuated before the building was torched. Many blacks were lynched from
lampposts around the city. The houses of prominent Republican citizens were
attacked as were the offices of the anti-slavery New York Tribune, which held
the rioters off with two gatling guns on its roof.

Not until federal troops were rushed into the city by forced march did the riot
begin to abate on Thursday. It was snuffed out in a final confrontation between
troops and rioters near Gramercy Park where many rioters were killed.

Damages were estimated at up to $5 million (at a time when $5,000 would have
bought a brownstone in a nice neighborhood). Over 50 buildings had burned to the
ground. The death toll was never officially determined, but estimates ranged
from more than 100 to over 1,000. Injuries were at least 2,000. Bodies appeared
in the East and Hudson Rivers for days afterwards.

Compared to the draft riots and many lesser disturbances over the country's
history, the angry words and provocative signs of the tea party movement over
the last year are as peaceful as, well, a tea party.

Mr. Gordon is the author of "Hamilton's Blessing: The Extraordinary Life and
Times of Our National Debt," just out in a revised edition from Walker &
Company.

The Wall Street Journal, 2 April 2010.

<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304252704575156052852906506.html>

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Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 4:35 pm
From: Wes

I have a 46K right now. Not so impressed. 1-704-368 at KBC tools.

The green wheels that came with it work just as well.

Suggestions? Tips on using this machine?

Wes

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