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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 2:07 pm
From: Zombywoof

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 23:16:11 -0700, Hawke
<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>On 4/3/2010 3:44 PM, tankfixer wrote:
>> In article<hp8b4i$hlv$2@speranza.aioe.org>,
>> davesmithers@digitalpath.net says...
>>>
>>>>> The U.S. has had a draft numerous times in our history. So have many
>>>>> other countries. Just because we don't have one now doesn't mean we
>>>>> won't have it some time in the future. The point is government has
>>>>> always had the ability to control the public in very complete terms. Now
>>>>> it's doing it in a benign way that is intended to be beneficial for the
>>>>> whole country and some people don't like that. It has the legitimate
>>>>> power to do it. If it can put you in prison or in the military when it
>>>>> wants to it sure can make you participate in a national health care system.
>>>>
>>>> The government is explicitly charged with providing a defense.
>>>> Kindly point out where it has the specific constitutional duty to
>>>> provide health care...
>>>
>>>
>>> It's supposed to promote the general welfare of the people too and
>>> health care is one component of that. But it's also supposed to comply
>>> with the will of the people. The people want a better health care system
>>> put in place. So the government is fulfilling the wishes of the public.
>>
>> Promote, not provide.
>
>The rub is exactly what is promoting and what is providing. That turns
>out to be a matter of opinion. When the government sets up a program
>where the public is taxed and those taxes are used to fund a benefit for
>all many people see that as promoting the general welfare. When the
>public says it wants something and is willing to pay for it with their
>taxes do you think that is the government providing it for them?
>
When they say "they" want it and it is "their" taxes that are used to
pay for it, perhaps not. However, when either I don't want, need, or
can even use it and it is paid for with "my" tax dollars then we are
talking about something else then again.
>
>>
>> 70 some years ago the government complied with the wishes of the people
>> and threw people into camps based on their country of origin.
>
>That's right. Whatever a great percentage of the people want usually
>gets done. Doesn't mean it's right just that overwhelming majorities
>usually do rule.
>
But it really wasn't the "people" that wanted that done, but the
people in charge. It was perhaps even an issue of racism as peoples
of German decent weren't throw into camps and they were actually the
bigger threat.
>
>> During that same time frame the wishes of the people were to restrict
>> when and where persons of color could eat and ride on transit.
>> Are you arguing that because the people wanted it that way that it was
>> constitutional ?
>
>
>In a way that is what really happens. When the country was set up
>slavery was constitutional. It was even a part of the compromises
>entered into to get the south to join the union. So just because the
>majority were comfortable with slavery it found its way into the
>constitution. So whatever is the overwhelming will of the people always
>winds up being constitutional. It may take a while but eventually the SC
>agrees with the people.
>
>Hawke
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 2:14 pm
From: Zombywoof

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 23:44:09 -0700, Hawke
<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>On 4/3/2010 2:29 PM, RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>> Hawke<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in
>> news:hp8b4i$hlv$2@speranza.aioe.org:
>>
>>>
>>>>> The U.S. has had a draft numerous times in our history. So have many
>>>>> other countries. Just because we don't have one now doesn't mean we
>>>>> won't have it some time in the future. The point is government has
>>>>> always had the ability to control the public in very complete terms.
>>>>> Now it's doing it in a benign way that is intended to be beneficial
>>>>> for the whole country and some people don't like that. It has the
>>>>> legitimate power to do it. If it can put you in prison or in the
>>>>> military when it wants to it sure can make you participate in a
>>>>> national health care system.
>>>>
>>>> The government is explicitly charged with providing a defense.
>>>> Kindly point out where it has the specific constitutional duty to
>>>> provide health care...
>>>
>>>
>>> It's supposed to promote the general welfare of the people too and
>>> health care is one component of that. But it's also supposed to comply
>>> with the will of the people. The people want a better health care
>>> system put in place.
>>
>> That's true, however, it apparently isn't the one that got put in there.
>
>No, the one that passed was not what anyone really wanted but that is a
>testament to the strength of the special interests fighting to keep
>anything from changing. Remember that there is a specific group that
>makes a very large pot of money from the way the current health care
>system is set up. They don't want any changes made at all. They have so
>much power that it's a miracle we got anything passed that they didn't
>want. Unfortunately, what we got isn't very good but at least it's a start.
>
>>
>> So the government is fulfilling the wishes of the
>>> public. That makes it constitutional.
>
>That's basically how it works.
>
>> Huh? Just because the public wants something makes it constitutional?
>> Is that really your understanding of how it works?
>
>
>In the end that is how it works. Anything that five members of the
>Supreme Court say is constitutional means it's constitutional. My point
>is that whenever a vast majority of Americans want something at least
>five of those justices will eventually come out agreeing with the
>people. Or they will be replaced and new justices that agree with the
>public will be appointed. You have to understand that the constitution
>is really just a documentary expression of the will of the people. They
>can change it any way they want. So if the people really want something
>it's pretty hard for that thing not to some day be found to be
>"constitutional". As for how I understand how it works, I'm a trained
>paralegal and I took constitutional law as part of my legal training. So
>I do know far better than most how the thing works. I was just cutting
>to the chase in what I said earlier.
>
>Hawke
>
So in reality you saying the same thing G.W. did, it's just a damn
piece of paper?
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

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TOPIC: OT - Hyperinflation as a goal?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5baf0df42579e249?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 2:25 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 12:05:23 -0400, Ned Simmons <news@nedsim.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 08:56:32 -0700 (PDT), "clarkmagnuson@gmail.com"
><clarkmagnuson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Those would be bankrupt banks are being bailed out with the difference
>>between the interest they are charged and the treasury bond rate.
>>
>>We the taxpayers are paying the difference.
>>
>>What does it all mean?
>>Ed Huntress does a great job of intelligently spinning the liberal
>>point of view.
>
>When did bailing out banks become a liberal cause?

Since The Obamassiah took office.

Welcome to the Great Depression Part Deux

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 3:29 pm
From: RBnDFW

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "RBnDFW" <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hpdano$th3$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> "cavelamb" <""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net"> wrote in message
>>> news:r8SdnXE8DoY0vSfWnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>> On 4/5/2010 10:36 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>> In other words, home-schooling may be the stupidest economic move
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> ever made in education.
>>>>>
>>>> Is that all that matters, Ed?
>>>>
>>>> The economics of it?
>>> If the results are the same, then yes.
>>>
>>>> If so, what they get for their money may be things you overlooked.
>>>>
>>>> Safe environment.
>>>> no knives, guns, rape, beatings, disease.
>>> Then move to a better neighborhood. If you live in a place like that,
>>> you're abusing your children. Furthermore, if you live in a place like
>>> that, the chance that you're equipped academically to teach children is
>>> very slim.
>> There are plenty of families who lack the ability to relocate.
>> And where to? Even the most affluent suburbs have gang problems.
>
> To someplace safe. Don't cry to me that people are just stuck. I thought
> this was a place full of people who believed that we're responsible for our
> own lives and are free to move.
>
>> I just thank god my kids are grown. If they were in school today, I'd
>> probably send them to a private school, or let my wife - or MIL - teach
>> them.
>
> Well, my son graduated from high school a few years ago. I wouldn't have
> sent him to private school. And the houses in my immediate neighborhood are
> mostly under 2,000 square feet. It's a nice place, but you don't have to be
> affluent.
>
> An "inability to relocate" is a lousy excuse.
>
>>
>>>> Individual instruction.
>>>> self paced - not having to wait for the slow learners.
>>> For slow learners, it can be great -- if the parent knows how to deal
>>> with slow learners. It's something in which my wife has a master's
>>> degree, so don't get me started on the ability of untrained parents to
>>> teach.
>>>
>>> In general, parents can teach well up to middle elementary school. If
>>> they make a real effort, or if they're trained teachers themselves, they
>>> can go beyond that. But not very far beyond, because it requires a number
>>> of specialties to teach beyond 6th grade.
>>>
>>> I don't know how much experience you have with home-schooled kids,
>>> Richard, so I'm not sure what your basing your conclusions upon. There's
>>> good, and there's not so good about it.
>>>
>>>> More satisfactory control of the subject matter.
>>>> and more responsive to the student's interests and aptitude.
>>> "Satisfactory control of subject matter"? Satisfactory to whom?
>>>
>>>> Not a clock driven day.
>>>> Work on it until it's done.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Better selection (in parent's opinion) of subject matter.
>>> What parents do you know who can make a "better selection" of subject
>>> matter?
>> The amount of resources available to home-schoolers rivals that available
>> to the best public schools. You can cookbook the whole thing from online
>> resources. I know people who are doing it. Any of the parents who are
>> home-schooling could get a state teaching certificate easily, if they
>> wanted to.
>
> Again, the results tell the story. Normed for demographics, they come out
> about equal. But it takes 22 home teachers to ACCOMPLISH what one
> professional teacher accomplishes.
>
> Look at the studies -- not the ones promoted by home-school advocates, but
> the ones by professionals who know how to norm the results for parental
> education level (the big one), income, and so on.
>
>> The kids get tested periodically against state standards, and they
>> excel.
>> Don't underestimate the ability and resolve of a motivated parent.
>
> Great. One parent = 1/22 of a real teacher. Marvelous.

You are assuming all teachers are good ones, or the equivalent of your
wife. You ought to see what passes for teachers in the schools today.
You snatch your kid out of that class so fast he's have whiplash.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 4:08 pm
From: Wes

Ignoramus25832 <ignoramus25832@NOSPAM.25832.invalid> wrote:

>> When did bailing out banks become a liberal cause?
>>
>
>I think that we have several people here, who confuse proper economic
>analysis and informed, impartial thinking with a "liberal point of
>view". Bailing out banks is something that was started under the Bush
>administration, and this is a course of action that did not have
>practical alternatives.

Sadly while the conservative view would be 'let them be hoisted with their own petard'
(sorry Shakespeare), I don't think GWB and his advisors thought conservatism was a suicide
pact. On reflection, I think GWB did the right thing though I was all for breaking the
stick off in their arses at the time.

Wes

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 4:20 pm
From: Ignoramus25832

On 2010-04-05, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
> Ignoramus25832 <ignoramus25832@NOSPAM.25832.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> When did bailing out banks become a liberal cause?
>>>
>>
>>I think that we have several people here, who confuse proper economic
>>analysis and informed, impartial thinking with a "liberal point of
>>view". Bailing out banks is something that was started under the Bush
>>administration, and this is a course of action that did not have
>>practical alternatives.
>
> Sadly while the conservative view would be 'let them be hoisted with
> their own petard' (sorry Shakespeare), I don't think GWB and his
> advisors thought conservatism was a suicide pact. On reflection, I
> think GWB did the right thing though I was all for breaking the
> stick off in their arses at the time.

Something needs to be noted: "bailing out the banks" does not mean
bailing out bank shareholders. Shareholders in the nearly-failed
financial institutions, like Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, and
Citibank got wiped out comlpetely or nearly completely. In other
words, they are doing as badly or nearly as badly, as if their
instutions actually went bankrupt.

The parties that really were "bailed out", were the holders of the
DEBT of those institutions. If, say, Citibank or AIG were not bailed
out, then holders of Citibank debt, or FDIC, holders of AIG insurance
contracts etc and the states that insure them, would not be paid.

While the jury is still out, it looks like the government was,
possibly, adequately compensated for the bailout money, by the stakes
that it acquired.

I do think that if the banking system was "allowed to fail", most of
us would live like Gunner now.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 5:05 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"RBnDFW" <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hpdo7k$1c8$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "RBnDFW" <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hpdano$th3$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>> "cavelamb" <""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net"> wrote in message
>>>> news:r8SdnXE8DoY0vSfWnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>> On 4/5/2010 10:36 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>> In other words, home-schooling may be the stupidest economic move
>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>> ever made in education.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is that all that matters, Ed?
>>>>>
>>>>> The economics of it?
>>>> If the results are the same, then yes.
>>>>
>>>>> If so, what they get for their money may be things you overlooked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Safe environment.
>>>>> no knives, guns, rape, beatings, disease.
>>>> Then move to a better neighborhood. If you live in a place like that,
>>>> you're abusing your children. Furthermore, if you live in a place like
>>>> that, the chance that you're equipped academically to teach children is
>>>> very slim.
>>> There are plenty of families who lack the ability to relocate.
>>> And where to? Even the most affluent suburbs have gang problems.
>>
>> To someplace safe. Don't cry to me that people are just stuck. I thought
>> this was a place full of people who believed that we're responsible for
>> our own lives and are free to move.
>>
>>> I just thank god my kids are grown. If they were in school today, I'd
>>> probably send them to a private school, or let my wife - or MIL - teach
>>> them.
>>
>> Well, my son graduated from high school a few years ago. I wouldn't have
>> sent him to private school. And the houses in my immediate neighborhood
>> are mostly under 2,000 square feet. It's a nice place, but you don't have
>> to be affluent.
>>
>> An "inability to relocate" is a lousy excuse.
>>
>>>
>>>>> Individual instruction.
>>>>> self paced - not having to wait for the slow learners.
>>>> For slow learners, it can be great -- if the parent knows how to deal
>>>> with slow learners. It's something in which my wife has a master's
>>>> degree, so don't get me started on the ability of untrained parents to
>>>> teach.
>>>>
>>>> In general, parents can teach well up to middle elementary school. If
>>>> they make a real effort, or if they're trained teachers themselves,
>>>> they can go beyond that. But not very far beyond, because it requires a
>>>> number of specialties to teach beyond 6th grade.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how much experience you have with home-schooled kids,
>>>> Richard, so I'm not sure what your basing your conclusions upon.
>>>> There's good, and there's not so good about it.
>>>>
>>>>> More satisfactory control of the subject matter.
>>>>> and more responsive to the student's interests and aptitude.
>>>> "Satisfactory control of subject matter"? Satisfactory to whom?
>>>>
>>>>> Not a clock driven day.
>>>>> Work on it until it's done.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Better selection (in parent's opinion) of subject matter.
>>>> What parents do you know who can make a "better selection" of subject
>>>> matter?
>>> The amount of resources available to home-schoolers rivals that
>>> available to the best public schools. You can cookbook the whole thing
>>> from online resources. I know people who are doing it. Any of the
>>> parents who are home-schooling could get a state teaching certificate
>>> easily, if they wanted to.
>>
>> Again, the results tell the story. Normed for demographics, they come out
>> about equal. But it takes 22 home teachers to ACCOMPLISH what one
>> professional teacher accomplishes.
>>
>> Look at the studies -- not the ones promoted by home-school advocates,
>> but the ones by professionals who know how to norm the results for
>> parental education level (the big one), income, and so on.
>>
>>> The kids get tested periodically against state standards, and they
>>> excel.
>>> Don't underestimate the ability and resolve of a motivated parent.
>>
>> Great. One parent = 1/22 of a real teacher. Marvelous.
>
> You are assuming all teachers are good ones, or the equivalent of your
> wife. You ought to see what passes for teachers in the schools today.
> You snatch your kid out of that class so fast he's have whiplash.

I see them almost daily. I've been deeply involved with the schools here for
over 15 years.

We have good ones. There are several elements to it, but the first thing is
to get the parents to care about education. If you don't have a lot of
parental involvement at your school board meetings, and I don't mean just
bitching about everything, you're going nowhere.

--
Ed Huntress

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 5:44 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Apr 5, 2:41 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:

> If you know of an exception, I'd love to hear it.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

My two grandneices are being homeschooled. Parents are not average.
Father has a masters or phd. I think mother only has a AB, but might
have a masters. They are in Alaska where the state provides lots of
help to kids being home schooled. I am confident the parents are able
to make better decisions on subject matter than the education
bureaucrats.

Dan

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TOPIC: Shots fired as Supt. holds news conference on shootings in Gun Ban Land
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c79f1554af6ca526?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 2:29 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:18:41 -0700 (PDT), Jim Wilkins <kb1dal@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 5, 12:45 pm, Jim Chandler <n4...@gte.net> wrote:
>> ...
>> That's impossible. Must be a media lie. After all, Chicago has a ban
>> on handguns in place. It IS working, isn't it? :-)
>>
>> Jim
>
>Have they considered banning the drugs that cause the violence?
>
>Or maybe more would be smuggled in from surrounding areas where they
>are legal.

But Gun Bans Always work!!

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 3:56 pm
From: Wes

Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>But Gun Bans Always work!!

For the law abiding citizens, er victims.

Wes

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TOPIC: I need an idea on how to use scrap electrical conduit.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/de1a84b036e9498e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 6 2010 2:47 pm
From: jk

Cross-Slide <3t3d@centurytel.net> wrote:

>> > RTFM
>>
>> Keep in mind that most conduit is Galvanized (Zinc) plated. No
>> Welding without removing the Zinc.
>> _kevin
>
>If you do breathe the zinc fumes, drink lots of milk.

THe plants may not care for the zinc either, as it corrodes off
I know that everywhere on my roof where there is some galv metal,
there is no moss down hill from it.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 3:56 pm
From: Wes

karchiba <kevin.archibald@gmail.com> wrote:

>Keep in mind that most conduit is Galvanized (Zinc) plated. No
>Welding without removing the Zinc.

Or you will learn what the Zinc Flu is.

Wes

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 4:57 pm
From: "Lyndell Thompson"

Drill 1" holes at various locations(as needed) in a 2x4 at about a 15-20
degree angle. Stick 1' pieces of conduit in the holes, nail or screw 2x4 to
workshop wall and hang electrical cords, hoes, rakes shovels etc. on them.
Also make vertical matierial rack this same way with several rows of the
2x4's & conduit.
Lyndell
P.S. I am not much on artwork but here goes.

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"TwoGuns" <R-D-Lorance@neb.rr.com> wrote in message
news:8dcd7eb6-8957-40e1-97f0-a4359cc6def9@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> Recently a neighbor that cleans up construction sites had about 100
> pieces of one inch electrical conduit cutoffs from 1 foot to four feet
> long. On an impulse I offered him $20 for the lot thinking surely I
> can come up with some way of using them. What are some creative things
> some of you have used this stuff for?
> Possible uses I have thought of:
> Rollers for a conveyor system.
> Wind chimes.
> Tent stakes.
>
> Anything?
>
> DL

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TOPIC: #OT# Recession is over!!!
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 6 2010 2:51 pm
From: jk

Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>Does anyone actually deserve 400 million dollars? What's the point of
>having that kind of money in the first place? Once you have all the
>necessities of life covered everything else is just for useless luxuries
>and doesn't do anything for you. Might as well let the government take
>that surplus and use it for the common good. I would be glad to give up
>that money if I were in his shoes. That's better than having one person
>just buy himself more houses, cars, jewelry, and other crap rich people
>buy because they have nothing better to do with their time.

WHile I sort of agree,
One man's luxuries is another mans necessity.
By many standards, you having a computer and internet access is a
luxury, not a basic necessity, and yet you haven't given it away. In a
similar fashion, I am sure he "needs" everything he has.

[THe flip side of expenses always rising to meet or exceed income]

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 3:54 pm
From: Wes

Ignoramus31024 <ignoramus31024@NOSPAM.31024.invalid> wrote:

>Not too surprising, considering that the stock market, bonds and
>commodities all rallied in 2009, and the managers are paid 20% for all
>gains (and 2% for losses). I personally would never invest on such
>terms, but that is just me.

2% on losses? That is insane. One could make good money on a big loss.

Wes

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 4:13 pm
From: Ignoramus25832

On 2010-04-05, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
> Ignoramus31024 <ignoramus31024@NOSPAM.31024.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Not too surprising, considering that the stock market, bonds and
>>commodities all rallied in 2009, and the managers are paid 20% for all
>>gains (and 2% for losses). I personally would never invest on such
>>terms, but that is just me.
>
> 2% on losses? That is insane. One could make good money on a big loss.
>

I agree with you completely.

I would never invest into a hedge fun on such terms.

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TOPIC: Democrats pull in more cash for campaigns than GOP
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 3:48 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

"RONSERESURPLUS" <ronseresurplus@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7b957199-4b0e-4f9c-9ba8-1ea38a16373a@n34g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 4, 5:14?am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/03/AR201...
> ? "Democrats pull in more cash for campaigns than GOP"
> [
> ....
> Eight months before congressional elections, House and Senate Democratic
> candidates lead in nearly every important campaign fundraising category.
> Democratic House sNIPPED FOR BULLSHIT CONTENT!

YEA CLIFF, YOU JUST KEEP TELING YOURSELF THAT WHEN NOV COMES AND THE
MAJORITY OF THAT PACK OF RABBEL IS SENT PACKING, DITTO LORD OBAMA WHO
WILL BE GIVEN HIS EVECTION PAPERS IN 2012 Snoopy could run against
him and win! LOL

Al the assholes Rino and DEm who Voted for This Health Crae
abononation, as wel as Cap and tax, and so many More Socalist Moves
BYE BYE!!!

mccain; "i never considered myself a maverick."
reporter; "yea, you did."

mccain; "i did?"

reporter; "all the time.

mccain; "cindy? did i call myself a maverick?"

cindy; "you used to call yourself a maverick.. an airplane.. the green
avenger.. you've called yourself all kinds of things."

mccain; "wow. the green avenger, huh? i can see that. but an airplane?"

cindy; "remember how you used to pretend you were an airplane and run down
the street flapping your arms making that funny noise?"

mccain; "i never did that."
a
reporter; "excuse me senator, but you did. we used to play the video of it
at the newsroom for laughs when we got bored."

mccain; "wow. that's interesting. that makes me want some mashed potatos."

cindy; "but you just ate 10 minutes ago."

mccain; "i did?"

cindy; "yes."

mccain; "did i think it was good?"

cindy; "i don't know.. you kept making bubbles in them with a straw."

mccain; "well... presidents can do that."

cindy; "but you're not he president."

mccain; "i'm not?"

cindy; "no, you and that moose lady got beat."

mccain; "is she the one that can see russia from her house?"

cindy; "yes."

mccain; "i can see arizona from *my* house."

cindy; "you *live* in arizona."

mccain; "i do?"

cindy; "yes."

mccain; "i thought i lived in alaska."

cindy; "no, that is where the moose sniffing lady lives."

mccain; "can she see arizona from her house?"

cindy; "i don't think so."

mccain; "is it because she *can't*, or she *won't..."

cindy; "What?"

mccain; "i'm trying to diagnose her. i'm a psychiatrist."

cindy; "no you're not.."

mccain; "well.. then i'm an airplane!"

cindy; "oh no.. here we go again..."

mccain; "look at me... BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB.... I'M AN
AIRPLANE!!!!"

reporter; "it looks like i better go... you have your hands full.."

cindy; "i'm very sorry.. i hate it when he does this."

reporter; "well, it could be worse.. he could have his finger on our nuclear
bombs..."

mccain; "BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB..."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/04/joh-mccain-a-maverick-no-more.html?hpid=topnews

HTH
JC

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 5:11 pm
From: Deucalion

On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 07:38:03 -0700, wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:

>On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 04:15:51 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
><CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 20:35:13 -0500, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:03:28 -0700 (PDT), RONSERESURPLUS
>>> <ronseresurplus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Apr 4, 5:14?am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/03/
>>AR201...
>>>>> ? "Democrats pull in more cash for campaigns than GOP" [
>>>>> ....
>>>>> Eight months before congressional elections, House and Senate
>>>>> Democratic candidates lead in nearly every important campaign
>>>>> fundraising category. Democratic House sNIPPED FOR BULLSHIT CONTENT!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>YEA CLIFF, YOU JUST KEEP TELING YOURSELF THAT WHEN NOV COMES AND THE
>>>>MAJORITY OF THAT PACK OF RABBEL IS SENT PACKING, DITTO LORD OBAMA WHO
>>>>WILL BE GIVEN HIS EVECTION PAPERS IN 2012 Snoopy could run against him
>>>>and win! LOL
>>>
>>> Why the caps? Are you that easy to rile? Get control of yourself, man.
>>>>
>>>> Al the assholes Rino and DEm who Voted for This Health Crae
>>>>abononation, as wel as Cap and tax, and so many More Socalist Moves BYE
>>>>BYE!!!
>>>
>>> What grade did you complete?
>>
>>Ron is unique.
>
>In some ways he sure is. But the underlying sentiment is all too
>typical of millions, including a whole bunch who post here. They hate
>"abononations" of all sorts. My favorite is still the death panels.
>Why aren't the Rons of the world taking specific action to abolish
>those? Seems like a worthwhile thing to complain about, and yet...
>silence. Their grannies are getting uplugged, and the only thing
>they're doing about it is writing Usenet posts and experimenting with
>caps lock!? WTF? :-)
>
>> Watch and enjoy the mental breakdown...
>
>Sounds like you believe that he could slip further from reality. Which
>begs the question: if his head fell off, would his body continue to
>post?

I did see an article about another chicken who lived quite a while
without it's head. Let me look it up. BRB.

OK. Here it is. It was Mike the headless chicken and he lived for 18
months after his beheading. So, I guess Ron could go for at least
that long or possibly longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 5:17 pm
From: Lookout

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 15:48:34 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
<jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote:

>
>"RONSERESURPLUS" <ronseresurplus@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:7b957199-4b0e-4f9c-9ba8-1ea38a16373a@n34g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>On Apr 4, 5:14?am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/03/AR201...
>> ? "Democrats pull in more cash for campaigns than GOP"
>> [
>> ....
>> Eight months before congressional elections, House and Senate Democratic
>> candidates lead in nearly every important campaign fundraising category.
>> Democratic House sNIPPED FOR BULLSHIT CONTENT!
>
>
>YEA CLIFF, YOU JUST KEEP TELING YOURSELF THAT WHEN NOV COMES AND THE
>MAJORITY OF THAT PACK OF RABBEL IS SENT PACKING, DITTO LORD OBAMA WHO
>WILL BE GIVEN HIS EVECTION PAPERS IN 2012 Snoopy could run against
>him and win! LOL

The majority?
AHAHAHAHAH They MIGHT lose 25 seats.
>
>
> Al the assholes Rino and DEm who Voted for This Health Crae
>abononation, as wel as Cap and tax, and so many More Socalist Moves
>BYE BYE!!!
>
>mccain; "i never considered myself a maverick."
>reporter; "yea, you did."
>
>mccain; "i did?"
>
>reporter; "all the time.
>
>mccain; "cindy? did i call myself a maverick?"
>
>cindy; "you used to call yourself a maverick.. an airplane.. the green
>avenger.. you've called yourself all kinds of things."
>
>mccain; "wow. the green avenger, huh? i can see that. but an airplane?"
>
>cindy; "remember how you used to pretend you were an airplane and run down
>the street flapping your arms making that funny noise?"
>
>mccain; "i never did that."
>a
>reporter; "excuse me senator, but you did. we used to play the video of it
>at the newsroom for laughs when we got bored."
>
>mccain; "wow. that's interesting. that makes me want some mashed potatos."
>
>cindy; "but you just ate 10 minutes ago."
>
>mccain; "i did?"
>
>cindy; "yes."
>
>mccain; "did i think it was good?"
>
>cindy; "i don't know.. you kept making bubbles in them with a straw."
>
>mccain; "well... presidents can do that."
>
>cindy; "but you're not he president."
>
>mccain; "i'm not?"
>
>cindy; "no, you and that moose lady got beat."
>
>mccain; "is she the one that can see russia from her house?"
>
>cindy; "yes."
>
>mccain; "i can see arizona from *my* house."
>
>cindy; "you *live* in arizona."
>
>mccain; "i do?"
>
>cindy; "yes."
>
>mccain; "i thought i lived in alaska."
>
>cindy; "no, that is where the moose sniffing lady lives."
>
>mccain; "can she see arizona from her house?"
>
>cindy; "i don't think so."
>
>mccain; "is it because she *can't*, or she *won't..."
>
>cindy; "What?"
>
>mccain; "i'm trying to diagnose her. i'm a psychiatrist."
>
>cindy; "no you're not.."
>
>mccain; "well.. then i'm an airplane!"
>
>cindy; "oh no.. here we go again..."
>
>mccain; "look at me... BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB.... I'M AN
>AIRPLANE!!!!"
>
>reporter; "it looks like i better go... you have your hands full.."
>
>cindy; "i'm very sorry.. i hate it when he does this."
>
>reporter; "well, it could be worse.. he could have his finger on our nuclear
>bombs..."
>
>mccain; "BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB..."
>
>http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/04/joh-mccain-a-maverick-no-more.html?hpid=topnews
>
>
>HTH
>JC
>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 4:06 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
> On Apr 4, 1:17 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > Jim Wilkins wrote:
> > > I...Out of
> > > curiosity I asked the Home Depot service desk about parts and was told
> > > they couldn't get anything at all for it, in fact the store displays
> > > had been stripped of small parts by angry customers.
> >
> > You can buy some of them from Campbell Hausfeld. A lot of the parts
> > are industry standard but some people are too lazy to look for
> > replacements, so they steal parts from a store. ...
>
> Curiosity, not necessity. It has a new pressure switch from Northern
> on it.

Model VT6314 Here is the parts list, and almost everything is still
availible.

http://www.chpower.com/chpdfs/manual09/225802_0201.pdf

> I've found that people who want to learn to build and repair equipment
> aren't aware of the suppliers, even the ones who have local outlets,
> so I give them my old Northern, Bailey, Parker, Fastenal et al
> catalogs.
>
> How did you learn about MSC, Grainger, McMaster-Carr?
>
> Google's results for "end mill":
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=end+mill&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
>
> jsw

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 5:07 pm
From: "RogerN"

"Jeff R." <contact@this.ng> wrote in message
news:4bb95dd0$0$32441$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
> news:U9GdnV2jT9hxqSTWnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
>> There's pretty good evidence that they were written before the
>> destruction on the temple in 70AD. For one, they mention Jesus' telling
>> that the temple would be destroyed but there is no mention that it was
>> fulfilled in 70AD. If any new testament writings were from a later date
>> it would have been beneficial to include the destruction of the temple in
>> 70AD and the disciples death for their faith.
>
> That's a pretty shaky foundation upon which to base your argument. You
> argue against the presence of a non-existent omission, as if that proves
> (or even "suggests") your chronology. Skaky indeed, considering the
> hundreds of acknowledged extant contradictions already conceded.
>
>>...Also, it would have been beneficial to leave out the any indication
>>that the disciples thought Jesus would return in their lifetime.
>
> "Beneficial" perhaps, but nowhere near solid foundations for evidence.

But is someones claim from 2000 years later a more solid foundation?

> It would have been (immensely) beneficial if the authors of the gospels
> had simply annotated them as having been written "in the xxxth year of our
> lord...", yet they chose (?) not to. How many books do you own which do
> not have the year they were written clearly indicated at the front? This
> is a minor point, granted, but arguably much more significant than the
> "temple" of the "return" arguments you advance.

How? Anyone could put any date they wanted to on it. Writing a date on it
wouldn't have it accepted by anyone that doesn't accept it otherwise IMHO.

>>...That would indicate that the new testament writings were within 40
>>years of Christs resurrection.
>
> No - it would only suggest that as a possibility. No more.

A possibility based on sound reasoning in contrast to liberal claims based
on unbelief.

>>... Also, in Paul's letter to the Corinthians, he mentions that there were
>>over 500 eye witnesses that saw Jesus after the resurrection and many were
>>still alive at the time of the writing, indicating that the readers could
>>find them and talk to the if they wanted.
>
> Roger, that's one account claiming there were 500, not 500 verifying it
> independently. There is a difference.

Yes, but the reader in that day could have found those that were still alive
and verified that there were indeed 500 eye witnesses.

>>>> The bottom line difference between a liberal and a fundie Christian is
>>>> the Christian believes truth on a solid foundation, the liberal
>>>> believes in destroying solid foundations and building weaker ones to
>>>> believe in.
>
> Extraordinary.
> You have evidence for this broad, sweeping statement?

At least as much evidence as the Liberal Bible Scholars do for what they
teach.

>>>> What's it been, a couple hundred years since slavery in the USA? And
>>>> already the liberal Democrats have conveniently forgot that they were
>>>> the ones wanting slavery.
>>>
>>> Ummm... Roger, don't forget that the warrant for slavery is in the
>>> bible, and the brave individuals - christians or not - who opposed it
>>> did so in the face of biblical injunction as well as majority popular
>>> opinion.
>>>
>>>> Today the issue is killing babies,
>>>
>>> Is that the only issue?
>>
>> No, but it's a dividing issue between Democrats and Republicans just like
>> slavery was years ago, and the Democrats were on the wrong side of the
>> issue.
>
> If I read you correctly, they were the ones who supported the biblical
> warrant. Don't forget that the brave folk who opposed slavery were also
> opposing instructions given to them in the bible.

The Bible instructs on treatment of a slave but that does not necessarily
mean God is pro slavery. Today we still have slavery but just a different
form of it. Back then a slave worked and in return got food and shelter, I
work so that I can have food and shelter. Some work and can barely afford
food and shelter. If a slave refused to do his work he would get punished,
if an employee refuses to do their work they get fired and are punished by
not getting the money they need for their food and shelter.

>>> So, Roger, could you explain again how it's "indoctrination" and
>>> "brainwashing" when non-christians raise their family according to their
>>> own values, yet it's "building on 'solid foundations'" when a christian
>>> does the same thing?
>>>
>>> Just wondering...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeff R.
>>
>> For many there may not be a lot of difference, they don't teach the solid
>> foundation of the scriptures
>
> Roger - the scriptures are *your* myths and legends - not verified facts.
> The ancient Greeks taught Zeus and Mt Olympus.
> Your god and your legends are no different - just a product of our fertile
> imagination.

Ahh, there's the liberalism, that's the kind of stuff they teach that is
absolutely 100% false. The true God answered when he was called upon as
recorded in the Bible and that God does not change, he still answers today.
You can trace this through the Bible, Old Testament, New Testament, the Acts
of the Apostles, and right up to modern times.

In John 14, vs 11-13
11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or
at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you
the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He
will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory
to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

So, if what Jesus is saying is true, then those who has faith in him are
supposed to be able to do miracles, just like he did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWGlkox7qSw

Have you ever heard in the Bible that God gave the people a pillar of light
to follow through the desert? Here's a book of a man's testimony that was
led out of then communist Romania by following a pillar of light sent by
God.

http://plainviewfarm.tripod.com/WIL1-0.html

>>...and many lose their faith when they get older,
>
> You say that like its a *bad* thing!

Yes, being eternally separated from your Heavenly Father that loves you
because you believed a lie is a bad thing.

>> largely due to the teachings of liberals. They believe the liberals
>> arguments instead of looking up the counter arguments. There is a former
>> Atheist that was an investigative reporter for the Chicago Tribune (IIRC)
>> that used his investigative reporting skills on Christianity. Now he
>> writes books and has debates between the most outspoken Atheists and
>> Christians, many Atheists come to these debates and become Christians.
>> They had never heard the other side of the argument before.
>
> Oh pffftphttt!
> I see your anecdote and raise you one.
>
> Which number is currently increasing: believers or non-believers?
> (Not that a majority indicates truth, mind you)

I'm sure it's non-believers because the Bible said it would happen, the
Bible also says liberalism and homosexuality would increase in the end
times.

>
>>
>> RogerN
>
> Keep plugging away, Roger. I hope you've had a pleasant holiday.
>
> --
> Jeff R.

RogerN

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 5:27 pm
From: "RogerN"

"John" <jdslocomb@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:kqcjr5tfvl38ibtf10ols48ar6ras0ng19@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 08:31:58 -0500, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>news:4bb81d54$0$5010$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>
>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
>>> news:qbidnT7Mw4XPjyXWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>><snip>
>>>>>>John D.
>>>>>>(jdslocombatgmail)
>>>>>
>>>>> Oddly enough..Im a banjo player as well. Yet the leftwing fringe kook
>>>>> extremists here think that Im some sort of rightwing fanatic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I simply calls em like I see em.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunner
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The way it works is you have to go to school long enough to be
>>>> indoctrinated with liberalism. When they brainwash you enough to fit
>>>> the
>>>> mold of a liberal then they tell you that you are thinking for
>>>> yourself.
>>>> If you have any opinion that disagrees with modern liberalism as taught
>>>> in schools, then you are not thinking for yourself. Liberals think for
>>>> themselves and give the indoctrinated cookie cutter answer, and anyone
>>>> that comes up with their own answer isn't thinking for themselves.
>>>>
>>>> RogerN
>>>
>>> So how did you escape all of this, Roger? 'Raised by wolves, were you?
>>> Or
>>> didn't you go to school long enough for all of that to happen?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ed Huntress
>>
>>
>>No, just go to school, think for yourself, and see through the liberal BS.
>>
>>On the part of believing in the Bible, I found all kinds of liberal
>>attacks
>>on the Bible, looked at arguments for and against, saw the arguments for
>>being proven true through facts, saw the arguments against dissolving due
>>to
>>the same facts. For example, the book of Isaiah was attacked by liberal
>>Bible scholars making claims that it was written by different people and
>>different times, then the complete, or nearly complete, writings of Isaiah
>>were discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls and dated, bottom line, the Bible
>>was right .. again, the liberals were wrong .. again.
>>
>>RogerN
>>
>
> Roger, I hate to say it but your rationale seem to leap about with the
> dexterity if a kangaroo.
>
> In another post you stated that "God had people write down what
> happened" and now you say that Liberals claim that it was written by
> several people.

Some liberal Bible scholars had claims that the book of Isaiah wasn't
written by Isaiah. They claimed that part was written by one author and
another part was written years later by someone else. So, I guess it wasn't
written by Isaiah, it was written by another man named Isaiah. But the
Bible, the 66 books that make up the Bible, were written by different people
over time. To be clear, I'm not saying that every book was written by a
different person.

> Where is the disagreement? God said WRITE and obviously it happened,
> we have the book as proof. Whether it was written by one man or a
> million monkeys with a million IBM selectrics, if it was done at the
> express direction of God then one can only assume that it met with
> whatever criteria that he/she/it specified.
>
> There is one problem though if you are going to refer to the "Word of
> God". the Moslems have a book that they say was written, actually
> dictated, by the Angel Gabriel at the express direction of God. and
> since it was the same God, the God of Abraham, it must be equally as
> valid as the Jewish books.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John D.
> (jdslocombatgmail)

The Muslims book claims that Jesus was a great prophet but that he did not
die and rise from the Dead. Jesus told that he would die and would rise
from the dead. So, if Jesus didn't die and rise from the dead then how
could he be a great prophet as the Muslims claim? If Jesus did actually die
and rise from the dead then he would qualify to be a great prophet but then
the Muslims book would be wrong. Either way, Jesus could not have been a
great prophet and a false prophet both.

RogerN

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 5:13 pm
From: Searcher7

On Apr 3, 10:43 pm, "DoN. Nichols" <dnich...@d-and-d.com> wrote:
> On 2010-04-04, Jon Elson <el...@pico-systems.com> wrote:
>
> > Searcher7 wrote:
> >> I am looking into getting a metal brake for making 90 degree bends
> >> lengthwise in 24-3/8" long, 16(or possibly 14) gauge steel.
>
> 16 gauge is petty standard for serious brakes. That is what my
> 24" DiAcro has as its maximum. The Chinese imports (Harbor Freight and
> the like) are probably limited to 18 gauge instead. For 14 gauge and
> thicker, you are talking about *seriously* heavy equipment. :-) It was a
> major task getting my 16 gauge 24" DiAcro up onto a workbench. Two
> people siding it up a board ramp which was bowing significantly.
>
> >> I'll also need something that will allow me to turn .005 to .020"
> >> thick sheet metal into "U" channels with 1/4" sides.
>
> And what *width* of 'U'?
>
> >> Assuming that I'll need two different brakes for these two projects,
> >> I'd appreciate any advice on the approximate size and cost of the
> >> hardware I should be looking into.
> > Why would you need two brakes? There are all
> > sorts of brakes, but the most flexible are called
> > finger brakes. Some only allow the side flages to
> > stick up so far before the brake beam hits them.
> > Others have a lot of clearance.
>
> I don't think that a finger (or pan) brake would be very easy to
> produce a U with 1/4" sides -- depending on just how *wide* it is. If
> it is say an inch wide -- fine. When I hear 'U', I think of something
> not as wide as it is tall (like the letter 'U' on my screen. :-)
>
> If it is as wide as the side height (1/4") then that would not
> work well at all -- unless he makes custom fingers for the brake.
>
> > Newer models are in the press brake form, and have
> > even more clearance than most finger brakes. But,
> > these often can't go past 90 degrees with the
> > standard die sets.
>
> Again -- custom die set for the 'U'. Perhaps with a guide
> included for the width of the stock prior to bending, so it remains
> centered as the punch enters the die.
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.
>
> --
> Email: <dnich...@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
> (too) near Washington D.C. |http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
> --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

Thanks everyone.

Ok, 14 gauge is out. :-)

But I definitely need to bend 16 gauge, which I assume is a tiny bit
under 1/16th of an inch.(But correct me if I'm wrong).

Even if I have to use a torch to heat the metal up first, I don't
think that would be a problem.

Depending on the size of the brake I have the option of storing it in
the basement, so I don't think that weight would itself would be an
issue.

The 24-3/8" length comes from a piece I have to duplicate. At least a
few times.

As for the "U", each of the three walls will need to be the same 1/4".

If anyone knows of any links that deal with specific equipment that
may meet my needs or even a site with building instructions I'd
appreciate it.

Thanks again.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 5:21 pm
From: "Michael Koblic"

"DoN. Nichols" <dnichols@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
news:slrnhriogd.mnh.dnichols@Katana.d-and-d.com...
> On 2010-04-04, Michael Koblic <mkoblic@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "DoN. Nichols" <dnichols@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
>> news:slrnhrfuf7.rei.dnichols@Katana.d-and-d.com...
>
> [ ... ]

> BTW Aluminum jaws gripping an aluminum "threaded collet" such as I
> described above will grip better than smooth steel jaws on
> aluminum -- though most steel jaws are not smooth. :-)
>
> But if you bore a set of the aluminum jaws to a close fit on the
> collet you just made, you will have better grip -- especially
> considering that aluminum on aluminum tends to gall, improving
> your grip. :-)
>
> And -- you can take some valve grinding compound, and roll the
> OD of the collet in that (with some force), so when the jaws are
> tightened, the jaws grip a lot better by embedding the compound
> in both the jaws and the OD of the collet.

Is that a problem with steel jaws for later use?

I need some lapping compound for another purpose (lapping dovetails) so I
shall go hunting this week. It is always so much fun watching the faces of
the shop assistants when you ask for something like that...

[...]

> Longer Tommy bars will give more leverage. Make them of a
> larger diameter steel, with the ends turned down to fit the holes and to
> bottom with very little turned down diameter left extending. Perhaps
> make them of drill rod, and harden and draw appropriately. You don't
> want them too hard (brittle), but you want them harder than the supplied
> state of the drill rod.

I put wooden handles on the wood lathe ones.

> But be careful to not make them too long, or you will deform the
> holes in the chuck body and the scroll plate. Consider that my Taig
> 3-jaw only has the holes in the scroll plate, and I need to grip by the
> chuck jaws to keep it from turning. (Hmm ... I probably should drill
> holes for the Tommy bars in the chuck body to go with those in the
> scroll plate.)
>
> But yes -- the chuck key is giving you a *lot* of leverage for
> tightening the scroll plate.

I was kind of concerned - I can make the bars bend in my hands alone. Lord
knows what would happen with more leverage.

>
> BTW -- how well lubricated is the scroll plate? The less you
> have to fight friction in the plate bearings and in the scroll to jaw
> tooth engagement, the more of your force will go towards tightening the
> chuck jaws on the workpiece.

A squirt of graphite as per T-nut post. But I guess it could be better. It
is hard to know without having any standards to compare.

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

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TOPIC: Anyone have an External Hard drive available?
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Date: Mon, Apr 5 2010 5:34 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I've bought from www.pricewatch.com and been satisfied.
Perhaps there is one you can afford.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Snag" <snag_one@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:KOjun.198599$Dv7.43006@newsfe17.iad...

www.newegg.com is your friend . I'm using a laptop drive in
a case I bought
for them for under 10 bucks . They also have cases for
internal desktop
drives , I think .

--
Snag
I've also backed up
everything on multiple
computers .

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