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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 12:07 am
From: Hawke

>>> At least in the one above, I get paid and get an education at least
>>> partially funded. In the healthcare thingy, I have to pay monies out.
>>> If the government wants everyone to have healthcare, then, damnit, do it.
>>> Don't require people to have to purchase a product or go to jail.
>>
>> I agree, but like I told you already, nobody is going to go to jail for
>> not buying insurance. That's specifically in the bill. I've seen it
>> myself.
>
> I'm sorry but you are wrong.
> There is specific penalties for not obtaining insurance.
> Those penalties include fines and/or jail time.

Nope, that's wrong. A fine is the maximum that anyone would be subject
to for not buying insurance. Not only that there isn't even a penalty if
you don't pay the fine either.

Hawke

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 3:01 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 09:25:55 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <v30er5l8ovoqiflo2jq9bssq14v272o183@4ax.com>,
>Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:59:52 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <1gicr5lb7jft4bm62l9ek0apsib5h08bfb@4ax.com>,
>> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:47:39 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <i8uar5phs7c9vv3c1uhe4g46mqvrer277u@4ax.com>,
>> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 19:07:55 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >In article <0fs5r5dbvbh6vrfiqec6m5gnhajjhgoudm@4ax.com>,
>> >> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:11:00 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >In article <mml0r5p29etm2kvp5jgcifq0n9m4k8r5li@4ax.com>,
>> >> >> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:30:36 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >In article <a9qvm511bjhp3a8j5ur99kgt312mb5ijjq@4ax.com>,
>> >> >> >> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> Hence the court had to make new law, right?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >What new law is that ?
>> >> >> >> >> >Go ahead and take all the pages you need.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html
>> >> >> >> >> "Overruling two important precedents about the First Amendment rights of
>> >> >> >> >> corporations, ..."
>> >> >> >> >> "The decision will be felt most immediately in the coming midterm elections
>> >> >> >> >> ..."
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >What new law was that ?
>> >> >> >> >You still havn't explained ...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Wingers are always objecting to courts making "new law".
>> >> >> >> This case is a perfect example of such.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yet you can't explain what that "new law" might be even given numerous
>> >> >> >opportunities..
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I can see you never paid attention in class either.
>> >> >> Any class. About anything.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Eighth grade & out (knowing it all)?
>> >> >> At about age 19?
>> >> >
>> >> >I can't speak to your education, or obvious lack thereof..
>> >> >
>> >> >You still trying to find that new law you claim was made ?
>> >>
>> >> Was it legal before?
>> >> Nope.
>> >
>> >Yup, it was entirely legal prior to your fascist buddies passing yet
>> >another unconstitutional law.
>>
>> What unconstitutional law might that be?
>
>The McCann-Fiengold monstosity, but you knew that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act
"But, in December 2003, the Supreme Court upheld most of the legislation in
McConnell v. FEC."
[
President Barack Obama expressed his concern over the Supreme Court's decision
during his State of the Union speech, delivered January 27th, saying, "With all
due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a
century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests ï¿½-
including foreign corporations ï¿½- to spend without limit in our elections. I
don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful
interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American
people. And I'd urge Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to
correct some of these problems." President Obama also called the decision, "ï¿½a
major victory for big oil, Wall Street banks, health insurance companies and the
other powerful interests that marshal their power every day in Washington to
drown out the voices of everyday Americans.ï¿½
]

Hence it was indeed constitutional and you had something else in mind
or are just willingly ignorant, as usual.

See who "Citizens United" really is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United

>
>>
>> >The SC ruling merely corrected that mistake.
>>
>> Corporations are not proper persons & never have been.
>
>So if I understand you correctly no corporation should be allowed to
>spend money on indipendant campaign communications ?
>I just want to understand your position.
>
>
>>
>> >>
>> >> >Or are you surrendering and trying to change the subject ?
>> >> >Again...
>> >>
>> >> You lose again.
>> >
>> >Every day the Fascist's you defend remain in power America loses...
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
>> "Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives; values; and
>> systems such as the political system and the economy."
>> "Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the
>> conventional left-right political spectrum,"
>> "Fascism is strongly opposed to core aspects of the Enlightenment and is an
>> opponent of liberalism, .."
>> "Italian Fascism's economy was based on corporatism and a number of other
>> fascist movements similarly promoted corporatism."
>> "They promoted the interests of successful businesses while banning trade
>> unions and other workers' organizations."
>>
>> You don't even know the meaning of simple words.
>
>I had to use something.

So you just lied like a winger?

>since you object to being called leftists,
>socialists or communists...

You don't even know the meaning of simple words.

>
>
>>
>> Ignorant winger.
>
>That you surely are...

Ignorant winger.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Insurance claim....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6a2e038156446545?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 1:30 am
From: Wes

Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>>I suspect for any insurance company there is a host of horror stories. Hell, we have been
>>hearing those for months in regards to health care.
>
>You have. I gave up pay-TV 3 years ago this month. <satisfied grin>

You haven't missed much.

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TOPIC: Rush to flee US
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/589453ba81b739ca?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 12:32 am
From: Kadaitcha Man

"Cliff", thou big-bellied insatiate and luxurious woman. All the
infections that the sun sucks up from bogs, fens, flats, on thee fall,
and make thee by inch meal a disease. Ye modulated:

=-9999 subject "handbags"
=-9999 subject "shoes"
=-9999 subject "cheap"
=-9999 subject "wholesale"
=-9999 subject "low price"
=-9999 subject "prada""
=-9999 subject "paypal"
=-9999 subject "watches"
=-9999 subject "dunhill"
=-9999 subject "vuitton"
=-9999 subject "chanel"
=-9999 subject "dior"
=-9999 subject "sneakers"
=-9999 subject "sandals"
=-9999 subject "replica"
=-9999 subject "jewellery"
=-9999 subject "cheap"
=-9999 from "clhuprich"

--
This sentence is false.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 2:46 am
From: Cliff

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 14:32:36 +0700, Kadaitcha Man <anon@no.email> wrote:

>"Cliff", thou big-bellied insatiate and luxurious woman. All the
>infections that the sun sucks up from bogs, fens, flats, on thee fall,
>and make thee by inch meal a disease. Ye modulated:
>
>=-9999 subject "handbags"
>=-9999 subject "shoes"
>=-9999 subject "cheap"
>=-9999 subject "wholesale"
>=-9999 subject "low price"
>=-9999 subject "prada""
>=-9999 subject "paypal"
>=-9999 subject "watches"
>=-9999 subject "dunhill"
>=-9999 subject "vuitton"
>=-9999 subject "chanel"
>=-9999 subject "dior"
>=-9999 subject "sneakers"
>=-9999 subject "sandals"
>=-9999 subject "replica"
>=-9999 subject "jewellery"
>=-9999 subject "cheap"
>=-9999 from "clhuprich"

So where did Rush flee to, as he promised he would?
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: What a load of snake oil (non political) FD-47
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9673aaaa19a7fb62?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 12:40 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 01:55:28 -0500, Ignoramus17332
<ignoramus17332@NOSPAM.17332.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-04-04, Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 20:02:47 -0500, the infamous Wes
>><clutch@lycos.com> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>cavelamb <""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net"> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Anyone with a functioning brain would stop watching that thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>TV on for noise, I have tinnitus.
>>
>> Have you tried a white noise generator? It's much more intelligent.
>> (googling now...just found this http://www.simplynoise.com/
>> I think I like the brown/red noise the best. It's kinda like surf, and
>> it masks my tinnitus best.
>
>Mildly related, I have a radio with some conservative radio show on
>24x7 in my shed. This seems to keep pests away from the shed. It
>works. The only thing that surprises me is the choice of commercials
>on that show.
>
>i

Obviously it keeps the blood suckers and other trash away. Bloodsuckers
HATE conservative radio.

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Democrats pull in more cash for campaigns than GOP
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ff3e7d156cc158b5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 2:14 am
From: Cliff

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/03/AR2010040301050.html?hpid=topnews
"Democrats pull in more cash for campaigns than GOP"
[
....
Eight months before congressional elections, House and Senate Democratic
candidates lead in nearly every important campaign fundraising category.
Democratic House lawmakers appear likely to reverse their seven-cycle record of
being outspent by House Republicans, according to recent finance reports.

Democrats in both chambers are enjoying the traditional advantages of
majority-party status -- and then some. They lead in donations by political
action committees, by committees affiliated with the national political parties
or with House and Senate leaders, and in individual contributions to incumbent
lawmakers. In some instances, their lead exceeds what the Republicans had when
that party controlled both chambers in the 2005-06 midterm election cycle.
....
]

I guess not even the new corporation citizens want any wingers & rethugs back.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: So typical of Faux & Palin
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fa9992825f0a1162?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 2:35 am
From: Cliff

http://journalstar.com/entertainment/small-screen/television-and-radio/article_e27adc6a-3f81-11df-997f-001cc4c002e0.html
"Jeff Korbelik: All bets are off with Palin's show on Fox"
[
Fox News debuted "Real American Stories" Thursday, a show profiling Americans
overcoming adversity and helping others.

Sounds pretty safe unless the host of the show is former Alaska governor and
vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, and then all bets are off.

A firestorm of sorts broke out prior to the show hitting the air. Fox News
planned to use interviews with Toby Keith and LL Cool J done more than a year
ago.

LL Cool J, for one, was not happy, writing on his Twitter account: "Fox lifted
an old interview I gave in 2008 to someone else & are misrepresenting to the
public in order to promote Sarah Palin's Show. Wow."
]

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TOPIC: WTT-30 taper & 40 Taper Drill tooling
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a706d4519bfb43a0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 3:22 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 22:54:46 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 22:44:20 -0400, "Buerste" <buerste@buerste.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:gf8fr5h4tld561ahtes1c4j488re6h8oo9@4ax.com...
>>> Im needing both a NMTB 30 and an NMTB 40 tool with a drill chuck (5/8'
>>> prefered) attached. OR NMTB 30/40 tooling with Jacobs stub so I can
>>> attach my own drill chucks.
>>>
>>> Ive been running into some space limitations so need shorter tooling.
>>>
>>> Ive got plenty of GOOD drill chucks and a few GOOD R8 drill chucks to
>>> trade. Jacobs/Albrect/Rohm
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>
>>E-mails to you are bouncing, you're mising some good jokes.
>>
>>
>evidently you didnt get my email changes
>
>New/current email addys are:
>
>gunnerasch AT hotmail.com
>gunnerasch AT gmail.com
>
>I had to let the lightspeed account go away. I simply couldnt afford it
>any more. Hated to drop it..had it for 12 yrs.
>
>Gunner

Knowing how he loves to lie ... perhaps he made one too many
death threats someplace to someone.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: OT-Democrats host gunfight
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c159ca960168a4d1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 3:16 am
From: "Buerste"

"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:02bgr5tab7vvugaj4hv34othha9omco20m@4ax.com...
<snip>

>Must be all them black Republicans eh?
>

Are they clinging to religion too!

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TOPIC: Manufacturing is BOOMING in USA
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c816c7bd5e73ce02?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 3:38 am
From: "David R.Birch"

Ed Huntress wrote:

>> Here now! Banjo players are all carefree, happy fellows, like myself.
>> Most of us wouldn't know a politician if we met him; heck, some of us
>> don't even know what color one is :-)
>
> There are times that I'd like to smash my TV and computer, buy some fishing
> rods and a banjo, and go live in a cabin.
>
> But I'm hooked.

How about we set up a fund to buy James Taylor a banjo?

David

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 6:17 am
From: "RogerN"

"Jeff R." <contact@this.ng> wrote in message
news:4bb81411$0$5591$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
> news:qbidnT7Mw4XPjyXWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
>> The way it works is you have to go to school long enough to be
>> indoctrinated with liberalism. When they brainwash you enough to fit the
>> mold of a liberal then they tell you that you are thinking for yourself.
>> If you have any opinion that disagrees with modern liberalism as taught
>> in schools, then you are not thinking for yourself. Liberals think for
>> themselves and give the indoctrinated cookie cutter answer, and anyone
>> that comes up with their own answer isn't thinking for themselves.
>>
>> RogerN
>
> Kind'a like fundie christians, huh?
>
> --
> JR
>

Actually there is a huge difference that a liberal probably can never see.
Solid foundations are laid but liberals destroy foundations and then build
their own by "thinking for themselves", the problem is that their foundation
isn't 10% as good as the one they destroyed. Over time they erode the
foundation for the belief until the can claim anything they want. Tearing
down a solid foundation for a belief and then building a weaker one, and
then believing the weaker foundation is true is how liberals change the
facts of history over time.

Some examples, liberals today think they know what happened 2000 years ago
but the people that were actually there at the time don't. That is why God
had people write down what happened and preserve it over time.

Another example, liberals claim the New Testament wasn't written until
hundreds of years after the fact. Though they don't have any actual
original documents, what was written and what was left out dates the
documents. For example, the same libtards that claim the NT was written
hundreds of years after it happened also claim the Disciples thought Jesus
would return in their life time. That reveals an error in logic that
liberals are willing to ignore because their goal is to destroy truth, not
believe truth.

The bottom line is that liberal beliefs are built on destroying solid
foundations and building ever weakening foundations, the result is that the
actual truths get erased over time. Others take a base line, the solid
foundation truth, and don't destroy the foundation unless they find evidence
that the foundation is flawed.

The bottom line difference between a liberal and a fundie Christian is the
Christian believes truth on a solid foundation, the liberal believes in
destroying solid foundations and building weaker ones to believe in. What's
it been, a couple hundred years since slavery in the USA? And already the
liberal Democrats have conveniently forgot that they were the ones wanting
slavery. Today the issue is killing babies, in the future they will
probably be trying to wipe out the fact they were the ones for killing
babies.

For a liberal, truth is what they want it to be, for others, the truth is
the truth.

RogerN

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 6:31 am
From: "RogerN"

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4bb81d54$0$5010$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
> news:qbidnT7Mw4XPjyXWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@earthlink.com...
<snip>
>>>>John D.
>>>>(jdslocombatgmail)
>>>
>>> Oddly enough..Im a banjo player as well. Yet the leftwing fringe kook
>>> extremists here think that Im some sort of rightwing fanatic.
>>>
>>> I simply calls em like I see em.
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>
>> The way it works is you have to go to school long enough to be
>> indoctrinated with liberalism. When they brainwash you enough to fit the
>> mold of a liberal then they tell you that you are thinking for yourself.
>> If you have any opinion that disagrees with modern liberalism as taught
>> in schools, then you are not thinking for yourself. Liberals think for
>> themselves and give the indoctrinated cookie cutter answer, and anyone
>> that comes up with their own answer isn't thinking for themselves.
>>
>> RogerN
>
> So how did you escape all of this, Roger? 'Raised by wolves, were you? Or
> didn't you go to school long enough for all of that to happen?
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

No, just go to school, think for yourself, and see through the liberal BS.

On the part of believing in the Bible, I found all kinds of liberal attacks
on the Bible, looked at arguments for and against, saw the arguments for
being proven true through facts, saw the arguments against dissolving due to
the same facts. For example, the book of Isaiah was attacked by liberal
Bible scholars making claims that it was written by different people and
different times, then the complete, or nearly complete, writings of Isaiah
were discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls and dated, bottom line, the Bible
was right .. again, the liberals were wrong .. again.

RogerN

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 6:46 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 23:40:48 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>
> >> Oddly enough..Im a banjo player as well. Yet the leftwing fringe kook
> >> extremists here think that Im some sort of rightwing fanatic.
> >>
> >> I simply calls em like I see em.
> >
> >
> > You should have plenty of free, leftist catgut after the cull... ;-)
>
> You know..Id not thought about that...true indeed! Though given the
> source...think it would ever be able to be tuned?

After all the drugs are rinsed out, and think of all the cats it'll
save...

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

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TOPIC: OT - Hyperinflation as a goal?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5baf0df42579e249?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 4:24 am
From: "John R. Carroll"

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4bb698f0$0$21703$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
> news:_qKdnR6mL5Zb4ivWnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>> news:GvCdnbAGRL-oeC7WnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> Wes wrote:
>>>>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's difficult to stimulate real growth with deficit spending. At
>>>>>> best, it might turn a decline around, but the effect is a weak one.
>>>>>> Stimulus is not about creating long-term sustainable growth.
>>>>
>>>> AAAAAHHHH - Not exactly.
>>>> At least there is another aspect to this. What you defecit spend ON
>>>> can create the foundation for future growth and this is an important
>>>> consideration.
>>>
>>> In theory, it can. In practice, it's very difficult, or maybe
>>> impossible, to direct *enough* of a stimulus into projects that
>>> specifically lead to real growth.
>>
>> The TVA lead to real growth Ed.
>
> But that's one example, and I'm not sure how much good it actually did in
> the short run. They were still building the TVA when I was a kid, and used
> to fish down there at Dale Hollow Reservoir.
>
> I'm not saying that some projects don't lead to growth. I'm saying that,
> in the short time in which it's necessary to get money moving through the
> economy in a downturn, you can't find a lot of those in which to invest.
>
>> So did the construction of the Interstate highway System, the St.
>> Lawrence
>> Seaway, and the Erie Canal. Some jobs were produced right away to build
>> the
>> things but they all made real long term growth possible far beyond
>> anything
>> that would have been possible in their absence. The Corps of Engineers
>> hasn't stopped digging and dredging in NJ in your lifetime. The economy
>> would collapse if they did.
>
> I think we're talking about different things.

Yes, we are.

>
> Ok, I'm not going to try to pick nits. I think the important thing to
> remember is that deficit spending in a recession has one primary
> objective: to increase demand. If you can do it while building for the
> future, great.
>
> But stimulus is inherently always too late, and often too little, as it
> was this time. We needed over $ trillion a year ago (one estimate, based
> on Japan's experiences, says $2.1 trillion was the amount needed, based on
> real-world experience) last January. Politically, it's impossible.
> Economically, it's the only thing that makes sense.

You are talking about creating jobs quickly.
I'm talking about government doing the things it does well to create the
opportunity for prosperity and growth.
Those "things" don't always require any spending at all.
Sometimes they do but rather than looking only at the spending side, it's
good to think about what you get for your money.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 5:42 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Apr 4, 12:43 am, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:

> > Oh, come on, Dan. We aren't talking about 15 students versus 30. We're
> > talking about *one on one* versus mass classes.
>
> > Ed Huntress
> >I do not think it makes any difference.
>
> I do. Wanna' fight? <g>
>
Whatever. But you are not likely to change my mind. So what's the
point?

>
> Meantime, based on the data, it takes 22 times as many teachers to teach a
> given group of home-schooled students as to teach a given group of
> publically educated students. That's pretty piss-poor productivity.
>

As far as I can tell public schools do not have productivity as a
goal.

> > Also the kids are motivated to do well because they are
> >doing it for their parents.
>
> Pure speculation on your part.
>
Absolutely, but certainly very likely. I doubt that most kids love
their teachers more than their parents.

> > They would not be as motivated to work as
> >hard for a teacher, even if it was a one on one situation.
>
> See above.
>
Dan

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TOPIC: So Much For 'Energy Star' Ratings
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5403aac4554cfb17?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 4:31 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Apr 4, 3:57 am, Wes <clu...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Larry Jaques <ljaq...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
> >>But, but, you haven't been empowered to feel smug and superior. You'll
> >>have to do it entirely on your own without permission.
>
> >Doesn't the Organic label also allow you to charge quadruple the price
> >for the same stuff anyone else sells without the label, all while
> >feeling smug and superior and sustainable and LoCarbon?
>
> Only if you drive to the store to buy it in your Prius. Southpark had a great episode on
> Smug.
>
> Wes

The disconnect between the people who demand that stuff and those who
provide it is really funny. If you met the crew who built these you
might mistake us for a biker gang:
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/g-m-en-v-sharpening-the-focus-of-future-urban-mobility/

jsw

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TOPIC: OT: Looking for used B52 inner tubes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/abfe3dc276505694?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 4:42 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Apr 3, 11:52 pm, spaco <sp...@baldwin-telecom.net> wrote:
> Any of you guys know where I might find large aircraft inner tubes such
> as for the B52?
> I guess 747 inner tubes would work too.
>
> Pete Stanaitis
> --------------------

Those were the best toys a kid at the beach could ever have. I doubt
the SAC base in NH ever had to throw one away, they all went straight
to Hampton Beach.

jsw

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TOPIC: I brought home another toy today
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7909885201f00459?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 5:06 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Apr 4, 1:17 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Jim Wilkins wrote:
> > I...Out of
> > curiosity I asked the Home Depot service desk about parts and was told
> > they couldn't get anything at all for it, in fact the store displays
> > had been stripped of small parts by angry customers.
>
> You can buy some of them from Campbell Hausfeld. A lot of the parts
> are industry standard but some people are too lazy to look for
> replacements, so they steal parts from a store. ...

Curiosity, not necessity. It has a new pressure switch from Northern
on it.

I've found that people who want to learn to build and repair equipment
aren't aware of the suppliers, even the ones who have local outlets,
so I give them my old Northern, Bailey, Parker, Fastenal et al
catalogs.

How did you learn about MSC, Grainger, McMaster-Carr?

Google's results for "end mill":
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=end+mill&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

jsw

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 6:43 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
> On Apr 4, 1:17 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > Jim Wilkins wrote:
> > > I...Out of
> > > curiosity I asked the Home Depot service desk about parts and was told
> > > they couldn't get anything at all for it, in fact the store displays
> > > had been stripped of small parts by angry customers.
> >
> > You can buy some of them from Campbell Hausfeld. A lot of the parts
> > are industry standard but some people are too lazy to look for
> > replacements, so they steal parts from a store. ...
>
> Curiosity, not necessity. It has a new pressure switch from Northern
> on it.
>
> I've found that people who want to learn to build and repair equipment
> aren't aware of the suppliers, even the ones who have local outlets,
> so I give them my old Northern, Bailey, Parker, Fastenal et al
> catalogs.
>
> How did you learn about MSC, Grainger, McMaster-Carr?

Working in manufacturing. We used them, plus dozens of other
suppliers for parts to keep our plant running. The ME office had about
30 feet of shelves full of current catalogs. Unfortunately, I didn't
get a chance to inventory all the suppliers when they decided to close
the plant. i wasn't allowed to take any of the catalogs, but they all
went into a construction dumpster. :(

I have local Northern, Grainger and three Fastenal stores. I deal
with all three companies.

One of our suppliers was Accurate Screw Machine, who made hardware
for electronics.

> Google's results for "end mill":
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=end+mill&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

20,000,000 hits. :)

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

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TOPIC: Qualcomm's Competition Lured Jon Banquer Away?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/adbd506bd0bf6da3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 6:32 am
From: "vinny"

"Joe788" <joemama788@aol.com> wrote in message
news:db662755-a1ee-4d27-8a80-5bea9c1d2c76@l25g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 3, 11:21 am, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is Jon Banquer is being paid well over 100,000 a year for his
> services?
>
> Did Jon Banquer gave notice at Qualcomm after working there for 2
> years and cash out before Qualcomm's stock tumbled $10 a share?

HAHAHAHA!!! We all knew it was only a matter of time before you were
canned, Jon. A little shocking though that you couldn't even hack it
in *faux* shop.

**********
I realized he changed jobs after his vx software post.

Changing jobs a lot is directly related to overselling yourself...in jon's
case.

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TOPIC: Terrorists strike again !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d6fc092ce2bbfea7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 5:40 am
From: Mirror of TRVTH

On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 02:48:51 -0400, "atlas bugged"
<atlasbuggedbyspam@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Mirror of TRVTH" wrote in message
> news:o5kfr5thq670e57h721nstvr05cbrkoc71@4ax.com...
> > What the mid-east neads is a great legal mind to come in and
> > sue the pants off the lot of them. You can do it, Chuck.
>
> What? Who are you talking about?
>
> > The Pallies always fold immediately, and wtf do Jewish
> > lawyers know. You'll win a default judgment, and nobody
> > will ever file a counterclaim. You could make enough money
> > to pay Cannon et al's legal fees & punitive damages.
>
> Jeez, the usual anon hate-gang from AUK is usually much less explicit in
> their anti-semitism. Sure smells "Henri," don't it?

The inability to recognize irony is a common kook trait.
Likewise, paranoid delusion of one poster being another.

> > Any usenet-chaser can clean up auk. Be a hero, and clean up
> > the whole fucking middle east!

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TOPIC: Am I a fool to buy this mill/drill?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a1b543030985642c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 5:44 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Apr 3, 8:47 pm, "Michael Koblic" <mkob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Tom Ivar Helbekkmo" <t...@hamartun.priv.no> wrote in messagenews:m239zcon9y.fsf@athene.hamartun.priv.no...
> > ...How did you hold the bolts
> > when turning them down and threading them, without damaging the existing
> > thread?
>
> I did it in my Taig which has a 3-jaw with aluminium jaws. I tried with two
> hex nuts etc. but in the end I just gripped them and ripped them. The
> advantage - no damage to the threads. The PITA - the alu jaws do not grip
> well enough to allow threading. On anything.
> Michael Koblic,
> Campbell River, BC

I've gotten slightly better results with a threaded rod coupler and a
hex nut. It still doesn't run true but there's more to grab.

If the job is worth it I make a cup out of 1" drill rod and thread a
hole in the bottom, starting the thread on the lathe and finishing it
with a tap, which cuts much better when it has only a little to
remove. This is faster than lathe threading to final size.

This one here is tapped 1/2-13. The bottom of the cup is barely two
threads thick or about 4mm and that has proven strong enough to turn
down a pile of stainless steel bolts for Segway battery mounting
studs. The head tightened within the cup or a nut on the outside keeps
the bolt from wobbling.

I made them to use in 5C collets, and short enough to tighten the bolt
head with a wrench. If you make them for a chuck a pipe cap turned
cylindrical on the OD might be better to leave room for a socket
wrench inside. I'd thread the cap onto a nipple to chuck it and cut
both the OD and the thread for best concentricity. Face off around the
hole afterwards so the bolt doesn't tilt when tightened.

jsw

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TOPIC: HAPPY EASTER
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/47f610af05fef19f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 6:10 am
From: Brian Lawson

Hey All,

HAPPY EASTER.

Seems to have gotten lost in the flame wars, but I wish everyone the
best anyway.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 7:20 am
From: Wes

Brian Lawson <lawsonb@ciaccess.com> wrote:

>Hey All,
>
>HAPPY EASTER.

Happy Easter back to you and the rest of the group.

Wes

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