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TOPIC: Off topic
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 12:06 pm
From: JR North

This is nothing. You want to see a real cesspool? Rec.boats.
JR
Dweller in the cellar

hans@fantasy.nl wrote:

> Hi, I just subscribed to this newgroup since I am interested in metal
> working.
> To my surprise most of the subjects are political, at least a great
> number of them.
> Being a non US resident (Dutch in fact) I wonder why all these off-
> topic subjects should appear in this newsgroup.
> Hans

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:03 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:03:40 -0400, "Existential Angst"
<UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:

>"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:vg5ps5l339m0798p8q0jlahpr2e6bsmnrt@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:48:16 +0200, hans@fantasy.nl wrote:
>>
>>>Hi, I just subscribed to this newgroup since I am interested in metal
>>>working.
>>>To my surprise most of the subjects are political, at least a great
>>>number of them.
>>>Being a non US resident (Dutch in fact) I wonder why all these off-
>>>topic subjects should appear in this newsgroup.
>>>Hans
>>
>> Because my friend..we are a happy group of people who do work metal, and
>> chat about other things as we do so. Now if you have any questions,
>> suggestions or things to show, we would be most happy to look at them,
>> comment on them, give suggestions, ask questions and so forth.
>>
>> Here...
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch
>>
>> This is what Im currently doing at the moment.
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/CurrentProjects02#
>
>Nice pics!
>Nice bmw. R75? R90? what year?
>Are you riding it? It should last pert near forever.

Its a 1978 R90/6. I bought it with 35k on the odo in 1986..it now has
187k on the odometer..and its now just starting to use a little oil.
Original clutch, starter etc etc. It needs tires and a battery.
Shrug..when I get work regular again.

Ive ridden it to the East Coast, down into Mexico, Canada, all over the
West.
Ive pulled at least 10 Harleys into the nearst town with it as well.
<G>

They ARE a bit hard on clutch cables. So there are two (new) of them
laying along the frame under the tank. Shrug.

>
>Hey, your response to the OP was a little misleading -- he might think
>you're *rational*!!!
>
>My response to him would be:
> If you (in Holland) were corPirately fucked in the ass the way we are
>here, you'd be off-topic posting too.

This topic has come up more than once. If one wants pure
metalworking..Pluaski (sp?) etc etc provide nearly 100% metal working.

For metalworking and talk between friends..its hard to beat this
newsgroup. Even with more than a few brain dead leftards <G>

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Harbor Freight helmet stopped working
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 11:53 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Not sure I want to trust my eye sight to a HF product. I
don't have that much confidence.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Chet" <ancr@nospam.centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:2DYyn.274340$Dv7.211641@newsfe17.iad...
I've got one of Harbor Freight's helmets.
I only weld periodically, so before using the helmet I let
it charge in the
sunlight for about 15 minutes as Gunner suggested.
I then test it by looking at a bare lightbulb, or a strong
sun reflection on
a metal surface.
Shade should dim...
If it dims, you're good to go...
Chet

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 12:56 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:53:18 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Not sure I want to trust my eye sight to a HF product. I
>don't have that much confidence.

Actually..many of their products are Quite Good. Some are even
outstanding. A few is junk, but most..most is good enough for weekend
workers. And their warranty is Excellent.

I give them a strong B+ for products/price.

An example...

Their 4" welding grinders cost $19 normally, $15 on sale. They last at
least 5 yrs. I have 4 of them that are at least that old ..and I use
them regularly.

A matching Makita, Millwaukee, Metabo etc etc start off at $65 and go to
$145. They work the same with plenty of horsepower, as the Makita etc
etc. I can buy 6 of them, for the price of one Metabo

And frankly..I can use 6 of them where one Metabo is simply not enough.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:33 pm
From: "Bill McKee"

"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:o1dps5djafaj4t6q9oqueo3aaai4hq7n02@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:53:18 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Not sure I want to trust my eye sight to a HF product. I
>>don't have that much confidence.
>
>
> Actually..many of their products are Quite Good. Some are even
> outstanding. A few is junk, but most..most is good enough for weekend
> workers. And their warranty is Excellent.
>
> I give them a strong B+ for products/price.
>
> An example...
>
> Their 4" welding grinders cost $19 normally, $15 on sale. They last at
> least 5 yrs. I have 4 of them that are at least that old ..and I use
> them regularly.
>
> A matching Makita, Millwaukee, Metabo etc etc start off at $65 and go to
> $145. They work the same with plenty of horsepower, as the Makita etc
> etc. I can buy 6 of them, for the price of one Metabo
>
> And frankly..I can use 6 of them where one Metabo is simply not enough.
>
> Gunner
>
>
> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> the subject." Grey Ghost

You will not go blind from it not darkening. Temporarily you will be
blinded due to the brightness, but the lens will still block the UV rays.
Which do the real damage. I would check the batteries. My Jackson helmet
would not turn on, and the batteries were dead or weak. It also charges
from the sun or welding, but I spent about $8 at Walmart for two more
batteries.

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TOPIC: 1938 Austria......
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 12:51 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:00:10 -0500, Ignoramus9593
<ignoramus9593@NOSPAM.9593.invalid> wrote:

>The real history of Anschluss was not exactly as presented.
>
>The referendum took place a month after Hitler took over Austria. (and
>predictably yielded a 99.97% vote).
>
>Lame attempts to draw parallels between Obama administration and the
>Hitler regime are laughable to any serious student of WWII. I would
>recommend to anyone to read at least 100 lbs of books on WWII, pretty
>much any selection should get one started.

Your opinion is indeed..noted.
>
>Anschluss was supported by many in Austria, but not to the extent that
>the fake Hitler sponsored referendum implied.
>
>After the war, Austria cleverly tried to wiggle out of its war
>responsibility by pretending to be a "victim of Anschluss".
>Fortunately enough, it did not prevent Austria from paying its share
>of reparations. Unfortunately, their self selected status as "victims"
>of Hitler prevented them from doing de-Nazification to any serious
>extent.
>
>The positive effect of reparations and wartime destruction mentioned,
>is that Austria (as well as Germany) is now a peace loving
>country. They are rejecting war and economic instability.
>
>i

Yes..and?

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 2:04 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

RBnDFW wrote:
> Dave__67 wrote:
>> On Apr 19, 12:54 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Dave__67
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <spamTHIS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 18, 8:24 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Subject: 1938 Austria
>>>>> Kitty Werthmann is a native Austrian who remembers well the Third
>>>>> Reich reign of terror in Europe.
>>>>> Now in her 80's Werthmann is a leader of the South Dakota branch
>>>>> of the Eagle
>>>>> Forum, a conservative organization headed up by talk radio
>>>>> personality and political activist Phyllis Schlafly.
>>>>> Werthmann spends her time speaking on socialism and how Hitler
>>>>> took power.
>>>>> 1938 Austria
>>>>> "After America , There is No Place to Go"
>>>>> The author of this article lives in South Dakota and appears to
>>>>> be very active in attempting to maintain our freedom. I encourage
>>>>> everybody to read this article and pass it along. I see so many
>>>>> parallels in this country–are we going to sit by and watch it
>>>>> happen? Spread the word; also contact your congressional reps;
>>>>> vote them out if they don't do what they should. If you don't
>>>>> want to be bothered, then you're part of the problem! Google
>>>>> Kitty Werthmann and you will see articles and videos.
>>>>> http://lornakismet.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/werthmann1.jpg
>>>>> America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don't Let
>>>>> Freedom Slip Away
>>>>> By: Kitty Werthmann
>>>>> What I am about to tell you is something you've probably never
>>>>> heard or will ever read in history books.
>>>>> snipped
>>>>> read more »
>>>> "I believe that I am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you
>>>> that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort
>>>> history. We elected him by a landslide - 98% of the vote."
>>>> Especially apropos as the next bunch are probably going to be
>>>> elected by a fairly high margin.
>>>> Dave
>>> You forget this bunch was elected by a "fairly high margin"?
>>> And what they have done so far......?
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>
>> I'm just reminding folks that the gov't power grab is not a just a
>> left or just a right phenomenon, that an influx of repubs over the
>> next few elections does not mean that a single damn thing has been
>> 'fixed'.
>
> I'm thinking the Tea Party people culling (not in the Gunner sense)
> the 'moderate" Republicans. Look what's happening to McCain right now.

And Bob Bennett, Charlie Crist and so on and so forth.

LOL

--
John R. Carroll

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:26 pm
From: Ignoramus9593

On 2010-04-19, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:01:56 -0500, Ignoramus9593
><ignoramus9593@NOSPAM.9593.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-04-19, JR North <junkjasonrnorth@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>> Just imagine if we had lost the war. There would be little Nazi Girl
>>> Scouts selling cookies shaped like Swastikas, U-Boats,, Stukas, Tiger
>>> Tanks and gas chamber doors. All baked over the smouldering embers of
>>> burning books and Jewish bodies.
>>
>>I think that it is unrealistic to think that if the Allies lost the
>>war, the United States would be taken over by Germany. The effect on
>>the United States would be withdrawal from Europe, and, possibly, from
>>the Pacific theatre.
>>
>>i
>
> Do you think that after 50 yrs of owning Europe, Russia and all of
> Eurasia..the Germans couldnt take the US?
>
> You would be terribly wrong.

Though it is hypothetical, I think that no, it would not be able to
take over the US. With the ocean in between, and nuclear weapons, it
would not be realistic.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:30 pm
From: Ignoramus9593

On 2010-04-19, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:00:10 -0500, Ignoramus9593
><ignoramus9593@NOSPAM.9593.invalid> wrote:
>
>>The real history of Anschluss was not exactly as presented.
>>
>>The referendum took place a month after Hitler took over Austria. (and
>>predictably yielded a 99.97% vote).
>>
>>Lame attempts to draw parallels between Obama administration and the
>>Hitler regime are laughable to any serious student of WWII. I would
>>recommend to anyone to read at least 100 lbs of books on WWII, pretty
>>much any selection should get one started.
>
> Your opinion is indeed..noted.
>>
>>Anschluss was supported by many in Austria, but not to the extent that
>>the fake Hitler sponsored referendum implied.
>>
>>After the war, Austria cleverly tried to wiggle out of its war
>>responsibility by pretending to be a "victim of Anschluss".
>>Fortunately enough, it did not prevent Austria from paying its share
>>of reparations. Unfortunately, their self selected status as "victims"
>>of Hitler prevented them from doing de-Nazification to any serious
>>extent.
>>
>>The positive effect of reparations and wartime destruction mentioned,
>>is that Austria (as well as Germany) is now a peace loving
>>country. They are rejecting war and economic instability.
>>
>>i
>
> Yes..and?

The history is not as simple as Republican chain letters would
suggest. Republicans are preying on the uninformed.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 11:50 am
From: JR North

Cut or get some uhmv 1/4" square rod, hopefully slightly oversize,heat
and press into the groove. Secure with CA.
JR
Dweller in the cellar

tnik wrote:

> On 4/19/2010 6:04 AM, Cliff wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions?
>> [
>> I've made an error turning a customers 12.5" dia x 40" long uhmw
>> plastic roller.
>> It has a "V" groove every inch (about 38) for the length. The V
>> grooves have a
>> flat bottom and we roughed them with a dogbone style insert. As we
>> plunged the
>> center material of the V groove, we cut .250" too deep. Plenty of
>> stock left on
>> the sides, but the center is too deep. Is there a process with heat,
>> like a
>> heated roller, that could be used to push the excess material into our
>> mistake?
>> The area that needs to be filled is roughly a 1/4" square groove.
>> ]
>
>
> Well, I'm going to guess that you can't because from what I've read, you
> can't mold UHMW which is in essence what you need to do to 'fill' in the
> groove.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 12:54 pm
From: Strabo

Winston_Smith wrote:
> Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 18, 7:17 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>> Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>>> Aren't there already laws prohibiting all that? A bunch of laws?
>>>>> Stacks of laws? Layer upon layer of laws?

>>>> Yeah, like murder. That's against the law isn't it? People still do it
>>>> anyway. Some people do. So should we no have laws become some people
>>>> break them? Laws never stop everyone from doing wrong. They do stop a
>>>> lot though and that is all we expect, not perfection.
>>> I don't refrain from murdering because it's against the law. I
>>> refrain because it's wrong.
>> Why is it wrong?
>
> You gotta work that one out for yourself. Come at it from religion,
> morality, ethics, or philosophy, the conclusion seems to be the same.
>

"Why is it wrong?" Amazing isn't it? No concept of morality or
principle, only atheism and a fear of raw power.

But, that explains why some believe that laws of prohibition are
necessary for their survival. No matter that career criminals are
sociopaths or impulse driven individuals with little regard for
social graces. If one law doesn't do it, pass another.

It also explains why Hawke, TMT and others are deathly afraid of
individualism and libertarianism. They can't tolerate freedom and
liberty. They must have a strong government to protect them.

>
>> Humanists seem to look to the natural world for their moral cues,
>> because, after all, we're just animals.
>
> Works there too. Willful killing is rare in the animal kingdom, at
> least within a species. Few fights are to the death as there are
> clear and common rules for who backs down before it gets to that
> point.
>
>>> Normal people instinctively know what's right and wrong and act
>>> accordingly.
>> Our society is now full of adult "crack babies" and others with no
>> sense of right or wrong.
>
> They are not "normal people" and there is no reason to consider them
> differently than any other criminal that kills.
>
>>> The only reason we have to reduce that natural sense to
>>> laws is to provide a basis to prosecute and punish people that break
>>> normal standards. Once we can prosecute them ten times over what's
>>> the value of law eleven?
>>>
>>> It's questionable if laws actually prevent anything because the
>>> criminal always figures they can get away with it or they wouldn't do
>>> the crime in the first place.
>>>
>>> Punishment is not really a deterrent. All we need for that is to
>>> frame some poor bastard and make a lot of publicity about catching
>>> him. And again, the criminal has figured they have a way to get away
>>> with it that the guy in the newspaper wasn't smart enough to see.
>
> __
> WS in a.s and m.s
> Two parties, not a dimes worth of difference.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 12:58 pm
From: "Paul K. Dickman"

"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
news:Wo2dne4GBvq1qlHWnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
>
> I live in Illinois coal mine country. My friend that works in a union
> mine was telling about the union wanting them to go to a non-union mine
> and beat up their laborers. The union had the money ready to bail them
> all out of jail. Think it's over the top nuts look up the Galatia mine in
> Galatia Illinois, I think they had the national guard there at one point.
>
> RogerN

That was 30 years ago Roger. What's next, the Herrin massacre.

Paul K. Dickman

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:25 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:58:39 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
<pkdickman@ameritech.net> wrote:

>
>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
>news:Wo2dne4GBvq1qlHWnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>
>>
>> I live in Illinois coal mine country. My friend that works in a union
>> mine was telling about the union wanting them to go to a non-union mine
>> and beat up their laborers. The union had the money ready to bail them
>> all out of jail. Think it's over the top nuts look up the Galatia mine in
>> Galatia Illinois, I think they had the national guard there at one point.
>>
>> RogerN
>
>That was 30 years ago Roger. What's next, the Herrin massacre.
>
>Paul K. Dickman
>
Odd..the SEIU recently beat the shit out of a black Tea Party member

So you are claming that Unions dont still use thug tactics?

Is that your claim?

Want cites? <VBG>

Id be happy to spend 5 minutes and make you read a bunch of stuff about
Union thugs that is less than 5 yrs old.

Gunner

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:42 pm
From: "Buerste"

"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c2c7e43-70a5-47e4-8e26-8f3299ab6416@z7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 18, 7:55 pm, "Buerste" <buer...@buerste.com> wrote:
> "Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:37a2c008-7b12-4fd0-b8e1-ff352ace2cde@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> <snip>
> You have a point, but I'd rather just vote them out. Put
> Constitutionalists in those slots. People who give a shit about
> America.
>
> I'd settle for people that have READ the Constitution, or at least the
> bills
> they pass.

Well, that would make sense, too. OK, let's set the bar real low and
see what happens.

If it was law that Congress had to READ bills, they would repeal that
law...after not reading it. Pelosi would tell them they had to pass it to
find out what was in it...again...still.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:49 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:58:39 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
> <pkdickman@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in message
>>news:Wo2dne4GBvq1qlHWnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> I live in Illinois coal mine country. My friend that works in a union
>>> mine was telling about the union wanting them to go to a non-union mine
>>> and beat up their laborers. The union had the money ready to bail them
>>> all out of jail. Think it's over the top nuts look up the Galatia mine
>>> in
>>> Galatia Illinois, I think they had the national guard there at one
>>> point.
>>>
>>> RogerN
>>
>>That was 30 years ago Roger. What's next, the Herrin massacre.
>>
>>Paul K. Dickman
>>
> Odd..the SEIU recently beat the shit out of a black Tea Party member
>
> So you are claming that Unions dont still use thug tactics?
>
> Is that your claim?

That was Elston McGowan, a Baptist minister, and his cronies. So you're
saying that Baptist ministers are thugs?

--
Ed Huntress

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:50 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Buerste" <buerste@buerste.com> wrote in message
news:hqif7a$823$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> "Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3c2c7e43-70a5-47e4-8e26-8f3299ab6416@z7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 18, 7:55 pm, "Buerste" <buer...@buerste.com> wrote:
>> "Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:37a2c008-7b12-4fd0-b8e1-ff352ace2cde@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>> <snip>
>> You have a point, but I'd rather just vote them out. Put
>> Constitutionalists in those slots. People who give a shit about
>> America.
>>
>> I'd settle for people that have READ the Constitution, or at least the
>> bills
>> they pass.
>
> Well, that would make sense, too. OK, let's set the bar real low and
> see what happens.
>
> If it was law that Congress had to READ bills, they would repeal that
> law...after not reading it. Pelosi would tell them they had to pass it to
> find out what was in it...again...still.

And if you actually read them, who knows what you'd say next?

Face it, Tawwwwwm: You're just so much hot air in a bag.

--
Ed Huntress

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:04 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:03:45 -0500, Ignoramus9593
<ignoramus9593@NOSPAM.9593.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-04-19, John R. Carroll <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>> Winston wrote:
>>> On 4/19/2010 10:08 AM, John R. Carroll wrote:
>>>> Ignoramus9593 wrote:
>>>>> On 2010-04-19, Winston<Winston@bigbrother.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Let's say that I sell you a product that I know is worthless
>>>>>> and will almost certainly cause you to lose a large amount
>>>>>> of time and money. Let's say that I game the system
>>>>>> so that the product appears to be well regarded and a good
>>>>>> value; I use that to convince you to buy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's say that I sold you a lathe that was made of parts handpicked
>>>>> to fail, greased with abrasive added to grease, pee instead of oil,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Furthermore, assume that my client actually built this lathe so that
>>>>> it will fail as early as possible, say to eliminate competition
>>>>> (just to make this example more realistic).
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that full well, sell you a lathe like that, and say "here's a
>>>>> lathe, as far as I know it is great, it runs, but it is sold AS IS".
>>>>>
>>>>> Then the lathe fails in 2 weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would I be a fraud? Yes. Would saying something like "but the buyer
>>>>> considered hilself sophisticated", absolve me from responsibility?
>>>>> No.
>>>
>>> Nicely put, Ig.
>>>
>>>> They haven't been charged with, or done, anything criminal.
>>>
>>> Bill Moyers Journal that aired last night:
>>>
>>> http://video.pbs.org/video/1471123509/#
>>>
>>> "SIMON JOHNSON: (...) the person who nailed this intellectually a
>>> long time ago was from the University of Chicago. George Stigler.
>>> Not a man of the left. He got a Nobel Prize for his observation.
>>> All regulated industries end up with the industry capturing the
>>> regulators."
>>>
>>> It's a little disingenuous to claim that nothing criminal took place
>>> only because the captured regulators were told to regard broad
>>> categories of theft as 'technically legal'.
>>>
>>
>> I follow Moyers to the extent possible and he's just excellent.
>>
>> There isn't anything "disingenuous" about such a claim at all.
>> You and Ig are placing the failure of both the voters and regulatory
>> agencies on the backs of the regulated.
>> I'm not condoning GS's behavior in any way, I'm saying that putting people
>> in jail anytime someone gets mad is a bad idea.
>> Even promoting that possibility is counterproductive.
>
>I never suggested that the fraud was criminal.
>
>i
Fraud is always criminal

Mistakes are not.

Which are you referring to?

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: OT - I think Gunner should run for office on the Teabagger Ticket
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/98af221afb72e333?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:14 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Apr 15, 9:51 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Time to shut up Gunner and show us what you can do...
>
> Laugh...laugh...laugh...
>
> TMT

So Gunner...why haven't announced your running today?

On the anniversity of the Oklahoma City bombing I would consider it to
be appropriate timing to answer the call of your Countrymen.

TMT

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:16 pm
From: pyotr filipivich

I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:07:52
-0700 in misc.survivalism:
>
>
>> I'm having a surreal afternoon.
>>-
>
>Enjoy it!
>

I did. Saturday it was raining and thundeery - my local logger
decided he wasn't climbing no trees in the wet. And that was before
the thunderstorm.
Sunday after the wedding, we topped the one remaining hazardous
tree. Almost went where intended - almost. But it did hit the
alternative target, so no damage done to the neighbor's shed. Now
I've all this slash to deal with. But this is so much fun...

pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 2:10 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:16:22 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
><gunnerasch@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:07:52
>-0700 in misc.survivalism:
>>
>>
>>> I'm having a surreal afternoon.
>>>-
>>
>>Enjoy it!
>>
>
> I did. Saturday it was raining and thundeery - my local logger
>decided he wasn't climbing no trees in the wet. And that was before
>the thunderstorm.
> Sunday after the wedding, we topped the one remaining hazardous
>tree. Almost went where intended - almost. But it did hit the
>alternative target, so no damage done to the neighbor's shed. Now
>I've all this slash to deal with. But this is so much fun...
>

Chain saw or hand saw..or ax to clean up the limbs?

And of course..a rake at the end.

<G>

Been there, done that..got the splinters.
>
>pyotr
>-
>pyotr filipivich.
>Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
>you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: OT - The Republicans and the Tea Party would feel right at home
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/16926fddaae01dea?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:18 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

Shame that they were born in the United States and not Iran where they
would feel right at home.

And I thought earthquakes were caused by conservatives falling out of
bed....

Laugh...laugh...laugh...

TMT

Iranian cleric: Promiscuous women cause quakes
By SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI, Associated Press Writer Scheherezade
Faramarzi, Associated Press Writer

BEIRUT – A senior Iranian cleric says women who wear immodest clothing
and behave promiscuously are to blame for earthquakes.

Iran is one of the world's most earthquake-prone countries, and the
cleric's unusual explanation for why the earth shakes follows a
prediction by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that a quake is certain to
hit Tehran and that many of its 12 million inhabitants should
relocate.

"Many women who do not dress modestly ... lead young men astray,
corrupt their chastity and spread adultery in society, which
(consequently) increases earthquakes," Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi was
quoted as saying by Iranian media. Sedighi is Tehran's acting Friday
prayer leader.

Women in the Islamic Republic are required by law to cover from head
to toe, but many, especially the young, ignore some of the more strict
codes and wear tight coats and scarves pulled back that show much of
the hair.

"What can we do to avoid being buried under the rubble?" Sedighi asked
during a prayer sermon Friday. "There is no other solution but to take
refuge in religion and to adapt our lives to Islam's moral codes."

Seismologists have warned for at least two decades that it is likely
the sprawling capital will be struck by a catastrophic quake in the
near future.

Some experts have even suggested Iran should move its capital to a
less seismically active location. Tehran straddles scores of fault
lines, including one more than 50 miles (80 kilometers) long, though
it has not suffered a major quake since 1830.

In 2003, a powerful earthquake hit the southern city of Bam, killing
31,000 people — about a quarter of that city's population — and
destroying its ancient mud-built citadel.

"A divine authority told me to tell the people to make a general
repentance. Why? Because calamities threaten us," Sedighi said.

Referring to the violence that followed last June's disputed
presidential election, he said, "The political earthquake that
occurred was a reaction to some of the actions (that took place). And
now, if a natural earthquake hits Tehran, no one will be able to
confront such a calamity but God's power, only God's power. ... So
let's not disappoint God."

The Iranian government and its security forces have been locked in a
bloody battle with a large opposition movement that accuses
Ahmadinejad of winning last year's vote by fraud.

Ahmadinejad made his quake prediction two weeks ago but said he could
not give an exact date. He acknowledged that he could not order all of
Tehran's 12 million people to evacuate. "But provisions have to be
made. ... At least 5 million should leave Tehran so it is less
crowded," the president said.

Minister of Welfare and Social Security Sadeq Mahsooli said prayers
and pleas for forgiveness were the best "formulas to repel
earthquakes."

"We cannot invent a system that prevents earthquakes, but God has
created this system and that is to avoid sins, to pray, to seek
forgiveness, pay alms and self-sacrifice," Mahsooli said.

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TOPIC: OT - China factories break labor rules
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4c68428b9ea44569?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:25 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

Hmm...80 hour weeks...that's 16 hours/day 7 days a week.

And these are the factories that are monitored.

Republicans would feel right at home in China...as the employer.

TMT

China factories break labor rules
By WILLIAM FOREMAN, Associated Press Writer William Foreman,
Associated Press Writer
Mon Apr 19, 7:10 am ET

GUANGZHOU, China – Two factories that make Microsoft Corp. products in
southern China violated overtime regulations and failed to properly
register the use of workers aged 16 to 18, officials said Monday.

The problems at the plants in the city of Dongguan were initially
raised last week by the National Labor Committee, a New York-based
nonprofit that monitors the treatment of foreign workers by U.S.
companies. The group alleged that the teen laborers worked long shifts
and were not allowed to use bathrooms during working hours at the
plants, owned by Taiwan-based KYE Systems Corp.

The factories make Webcams, computer mice and Xbox controllers for
Microsoft, the world's biggest software company.

Investigators with Dongguan's human resources bureau said in a report
that factories are allowed to hire workers between the ages of 16 and
18 as long as the laborers are registered with the authorities. The
KYE factories had 385 such workers — most supplied by vocational
schools — and 326 weren't properly registered, the report said.

Employees were also forced to work an excessive amount of overtime in
March, clocking about 280 hours, the report said. Copies of the labor
contract also weren't given to employees, the document said.

But officials said that based on interviews with workers, there were
no restrictions against using the restroom during shifts. The report
said the company's policy was to give workers 10-minute breaks for
every two hours worked.

KYE Systems Corp. spokesman Lai Jin-hui told The Associated Press,
"Assembly line workers are allowed to go to bathroom only if they
report the need."

Lai insisted that factories did nothing wrong regarding overtime and
had followed regulations that limit the workweek to 60 hours. But Lai
acknowledged that the factories failed to properly register workers
and would now fix the problem.

The human resources bureau report said the factories have been ordered
to comply with the law and would be monitored closely.

Last week, Microsoft said it does quarterly onsite assessments and
gets weekly reports from KYE about certain labor and safety criteria.
The software maker said a team of independent auditors would visit the
factories and monitor the situation pending results of its inspection.

___

Associated Press writer Annie Huang in Taipei, Taiwan, contributed to
this report.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:44 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Apr 19, 4:25 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hmm...80 hour weeks...that's 16 hours/day 7 days a week.
>

> TMT
>

I wish you liberals would pay more attention to grade school math. 16
hour days 7 days a week is 112 hours a week.

LMAO at TMT who obviously does not have too many calculators.

Dan

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 2:12 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:44:33 -0700 (PDT), "dcaster@krl.org"
<dcaster@krl.org> wrote:

>On Apr 19, 4:25 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hmm...80 hour weeks...that's 16 hours/day 7 days a week.
>>
>
>> TMT
>>
>
>I wish you liberals would pay more attention to grade school math. 16
>hour days 7 days a week is 112 hours a week.
>
>LMAO at TMT who obviously does not have too many calculators.
>
> Dan

TMT is simply a mental runt. Worst of the litter.

He should have been put down at birth. While it may not have increased
the value of the litter..it would have been kinder to society as a
whole.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Electric Motor Phase Correction Question
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/09ececa261b3605b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 19 2010 1:30 pm
From: Jon Elson

Bob wrote:
> I have a 7.5 HP TEFC Motor on a hot high pressure washer. My 3 phase
> power is generated from a rotary converter. This motor is not happy
> with my home made power and trips the heaters. Normal load is about 9
> Amps under load but the one leg pulls 13-14A and trips the heaters.
> The contactor is a small GE unit with integral heaters and I have them
> set on max which is 14A IIRC.
>
9 A? What voltage? In the US, a 240 V 3-phase motor draws roughly 3 A
per HP. So, I'd expect a 7.5 Hp 3-phase motor to draw roughly 22 A per
line on 240 V. Ohhh, pressure washer -- must be some of those inflated
HP readings. So, it probably is really a 3 Hp motor.

Jon

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