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TOPIC: Flashlights, old style, hundreds of them...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3480d09a73967956?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:34 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:37:59 -0500, The Daring Dufas
<the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> wrote:

>Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>> The Daring Dufas <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> fired this volley in
>> news:hq4cel$p0r$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> I wonder if I were to attach one to my front door if it would keep
>>> the church people from coming around to proselytize?
>>
>> Just hang a strap-on on the door with the "business end" pointing toward
>> the road. They'll get the idea.
>>
>> Heh! I had a friggin' van-load of them come to my little ranch one day,
>> all suited up for "business".
>>
>> I happened to be pruning trees with my chainsaw that day. I was dirty,
>> covered with sawchips, and draggin' on a cigarette when they pulled up.
>>
>> Now... I speak the King's English just fine, but when I saw what they
>> were, I kind of limp-walked toward them with one leg dragging a little,
>> the RUNNING chainsaw hanging from my right hand, and the weed dangling
>> out of one corner of my mouth. Gently twitching the throttle on the saw,
>> I squinted harshly at them and asked, "Kin Ah hep you move thet thang
>> offn' my proppity?"
>>
>> They moved it rather quickly, thank you! <G>
>>
>> LLoyd
>
>I always wanted to get a Dracula cape and helmet with horns to don
>whenever they came to the door. When answering the door use my most
>evil voice to invite them in because I need someone to sacrifice.
>
>TDD

I had a batch of them show up one sunny Saturday afternoon, a Saturday
afternoon where a pair of lady friends had come over and we were all
...ah...er..playing.

When I peeped out the window at the knock...we all 3 of us answered the
door, au naturale..and as one had worn lipstick...it was obvious that
all three of us were "otherwise engaged" from the lipstick marks here
and there

They never came back.

Sigh..to be young again...snivel...

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Does anyone know this old metal shaper?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/da67813875f7af85?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:36 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:27:55 -0700 (PDT), adsodamelk
<adsomelk7@virgilio.it> wrote:

>Thanks for helps to all.
>I have disassembled it in order to clean varnish and oil; no trace of
>write or brand!
>The stroke is about 15" and the ram has square guides. I have added
>the vise, the two cranks and the single phase motor, so them are not
>original.
>I have examined jet all the shaper in lathes.co.uk, but no trace of
>it.
>
Can you get a "feel"....if its American or if its European?

That may help to narrow it down.

Ive had several shapers and many were so close to each other in
construction that it was hard to tell who had made it.

Gunner, "Shaper Head"

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 11:25 am
From: Dave__67

On Apr 14, 7:38 am, David Billington
<d...@djbillington.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> adsodamelk wrote:
> > Hallo, I'm an italian hobby machinist and i have this old metal
> > shaper. I'd like to know some info about it an it's origin.
> >http://ftp.tiscali.it/porta.foto/foto/Limatrice_destra.jpg
> >http://ftp.tiscali.it/porta.foto/foto/Limatrice_sinistra.jpg
>
> > I hope someone know it.
> > Thanks.
>
> Have a look here, the section on shapers is about 1/3 the way down the
> page in the rightmost column.http://www.lathes.co.uk/page21.html

You owe my employer an hours worth of my salary!

Dave

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TOPIC: OT: [OT] That was funny!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bae1b5ba237c255b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:38 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:30:05 -0700, the infamous Winston
<Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:

>On 4/14/2010 6:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>(...)
>
>> Yeah, I forget that we're used to checking messages in my family, because
>> our home voice mail doesn't give notification of a call. But we're almost
>> always logged in and we have Box.net on the toolbar.
>
>So you don't Twitter (R) or Buzz (R) then?
>
>> One nice thing we have in my town, and in this whole area of NJ, is free
>> wi-fi for subscribers of the cable Internet service, so my netbook is always
>> with me and I'm logged in most of the time. I even have it on when I'm
>> fishing from the pier 10 miles away. It's strange and my netbook smells like
>> fish sometimes. d8-)
>
>It sure doesn't take us long to integrate technological miracles
>into our lives.
>
>I got separated from SWMBO and her sister at a local mall.
>I didn't have my phone.
>
>Stopped into a local coffee shop and asked for the location of a
>pay phone. Now I understand the phrase 'deer in the headlights look'.
>
>So I used their WiFi hot spot to call SWMBO over VoIP using my PDA.

We telephony Luddites would have gone over to the white phone on the
wall (just like airports) and had them page the missing party.
I can't see paying over $100 a month to do internet on a 3" screen.
I really and truly can't.

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STOP THE SLAUGHTER! Boycott Baby Oil!

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TOPIC: How to move rocks 400-1000 lbs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c1a912dbeba11002?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:40 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:49:04 -0700 (PDT), the infamous Jim Wilkins
<kb1dal@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>On Apr 14, 12:15 pm, RBnDFW <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> I have one next to my carport that needs to migrate to somewhere else in
>> the yard. This one is red sandstone, about 4'x8'x18"
>> I have no idea what it weighs.
>
>http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_materials.htm
>Stone weighs around 2.3 to 3 times as much as water. For rough mental
>calculations I use 2.5 for the specific gravity of both stone and
>aluminum, or 2.8 for stone if I have a calculator. Notice that stone
>is "heavy" and aluminum is "light" but they are actually about equally
>dense.
>
>Water weighs 62.4 Lbs per cubic foot.

A cubic yard of granite gravel weighs 4,000 to 5,000 pounds, depending
on grit size. The finer, the heavier.

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STOP THE SLAUGHTER! Boycott Baby Oil!

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TOPIC: OT: Ivy "feet" adhesive removal
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/acbc8cde17e4af81?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:46 am
From: Tim Wescott

stans4@prolynx.com wrote:
> On Apr 14, 8:21 am, "Buerste" <buer...@att.net> wrote:
>> Ivy can be very destructive and I'm amazed at the tenacity of those little
>> glue pads. I've talked to a lot of people and looked for a good way to
>> remove them from various surfaces with no luck. The worst is vinyl siding.
>> Has the DOD looked into this adhesive? (no, a wire brush is NOT a good way
>> to go!)
>>
>> Other than some minor electrical work, replacing a sagging beam and
>> installing a post in the basement, the sale of the old house is a done deal.
>> I had it on the market for a grand total of 12 days before a young couple
>> with kids made an offer and they accepted my counter in a few hours. The
>> house will suite them very well and they can just move in, everything is
>> fresh. But, those ivy feet look terrible on the front porch.
>
> Had that crap on the house when we moved in in '61. We kids had the
> "fun" of pulling the ivy off the brick for several years. Only thing
> I found to get rid of the residue is a propane torch, <snip>

Oh, that'll work well on vinyl siding! It'll get rid of the adhesive,
the siding, the house, the detached garage...

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Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

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TOPIC: ObamaGas $4 on horizon?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/41506d8d2805bc0c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:46 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:34:47 -0400, KG <kgsAT@msbx.net> wrote:

>Yup, blame it on Obama again, after all we know he is responsible for every thing the incompetent
>Bush administration did, one of which was allowing our great United States oil company to begin
>permanently close almost 30% of there refineries because they were not profitable enough. They
>quickly became enamored with the multi billion dollar rape profit of the Bush years.

Odd..here in Bakersfield..they closed 5 refineries during the Clinton
years.

Damn that Bush, eh?

Gunner

>
>On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 03:34:26 +0000 (UTC), falk@green.rahul.net (Edward A. Falk) wrote:
>
>>We've had $4 gas before. We'll have $4 gas again.
>>
>>$4 gas is cheap. Look at gas prices in Europe. You pretty
>>much need to be living in an oil-producing country to have
>>cheaper gas than we have. And if you compare average income
>>to price paid for gas, we look even better.
>>
>>What else can you buy for only $4/gallon?
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_and_diesel_usage_and_pricing#Average_gasoline_prices_around_the_world
>*****************
>Thank You kgsAT@msbx.net
>
>
>To reply to this email please remove the AT
>after the kgs in the reply to address as shown above.
>
>Never ever under estimate the incompetent.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Is it me?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f5258a0f1fcd2347?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:47 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:04:07 -0500, the infamous "Pete C."
<aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> scrawled the following:

>
>Steve B wrote:
>>
>> I see lots of ads on TV for cordless drills. In almost every case, they are
>> chucked up to a simple #2 Phillips bit. Why is that? Don't they know about
>> all the quick change extensions? I have used just a bit in a pinch, but
>> many times, the chuck runs into the wood or something else. Plus there is
>> no slider to hold the screws until they get started. Do you use an
>> extension or not? I almost always do.
>>
>> Steve
>
>I use an impact driver which has a 1/4" hex quick change chuck. If I
>need a long reach I typically use a long bit.

Ditto here, either a long bit or hex extension. www.Rockler.com has
2, 3, and 6" square bits for a couple bucks apiece. I buy from them
when they have their free shipping sales.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=299&filter=square%20drive%20bit
The 2" is my most used, but in tight spaces, the 6" works wonders.

I also bought a 1/4" hex drive 3/8" keyed drill chuck for use with the
impact. The Impactor ate my $1.50 HF keyless chuck in about 30
seconds.

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STOP THE SLAUGHTER! Boycott Baby Oil!

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:49 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:06:26 -0500, the infamous "Karl Townsend"
<karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> scrawled the following:

>
>"Steve B" <deserttraveler@dishynail.net> wrote in message
>news:b33h97-bv3.ln1@news.infowest.com...
>>I see lots of ads on TV for cordless drills. In almost every case, they
>>are chucked up to a simple #2 Phillips bit. Why is that? Don't they know
>>about all the quick change extensions? I have used just a bit in a pinch,
>>but many times, the chuck runs into the wood or something else. Plus there
>>is no slider to hold the screws until they get started. Do you use an
>>extension or not? I almost always do.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
>i normally use a slider. Didn't two days ago. Pushed hard and drill slipped
>off and drive a hole in my thumb. Blood leaks all over when you do that.

"I have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, Karl" as he
hid his scarred hand.

The trick is to whap the back of the driver to sink the screw tip,
then start turning it. You don't need to hold the screw after that so
it's much safer.

P.S: Phillips tips make good skin drills, don't they?

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STOP THE SLAUGHTER! Boycott Baby Oil!

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:53 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:30:38 -0700 (PDT), the infamous Jim Wilkins
<kb1dal@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>On Apr 14, 11:20 am, "Steve B" <deserttrave...@dishynail.net> wrote:
>> I see lots of ads on TV for cordless drills. In almost every case, they are
>> chucked up to a simple #2 Phillips bit. Why is that? Don't they know about
>> all the quick change extensions? I have used just a bit in a pinch, but
>> many times, the chuck runs into the wood or something else. Plus there is
>> no slider to hold the screws until they get started. Do you use an
>> extension or not? I almost always do.
>>
>> Steve
>
>I have a couple of different types of quick couplers but rarely use
>them because they aren't completely reliable and can drop the bit into
>the bushes below the ladder, and I don't yet have a set of GOOD drill
>bits with grooved hex shanks. I probably drill a lot more home-made
>steel and stainless fittings than the average hardware store customer.
>Industrial-quality bits are as easy to lose in the leaves as cheap
>ones.

Put down a tarp before you put up the ladder, Jim. And/or carry a
magnet on a stick which will help you find lost hardware and bits.
I keep a welding triangle in the truck with a coat hanger tied to it.

>My Makita's most recent job was holes for 1/2" lag screws 200' from
>the nearest electric outlet.

Yeah, cordless drivers are an absolute necessity in most construction
areas. But I think he meant "hex extension bit holders" there, big
fella. ;)

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STOP THE SLAUGHTER! Boycott Baby Oil!

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 11:35 am
From: "Pete C."

Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:04:07 -0500, the infamous "Pete C."
> <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> scrawled the following:
>
> >
> >Steve B wrote:
> >>
> >> I see lots of ads on TV for cordless drills. In almost every case, they are
> >> chucked up to a simple #2 Phillips bit. Why is that? Don't they know about
> >> all the quick change extensions? I have used just a bit in a pinch, but
> >> many times, the chuck runs into the wood or something else. Plus there is
> >> no slider to hold the screws until they get started. Do you use an
> >> extension or not? I almost always do.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >
> >I use an impact driver which has a 1/4" hex quick change chuck. If I
> >need a long reach I typically use a long bit.
>
> Ditto here, either a long bit or hex extension. www.Rockler.com has
> 2, 3, and 6" square bits for a couple bucks apiece. I buy from them
> when they have their free shipping sales.
> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=299&filter=square%20drive%20bit
> The 2" is my most used, but in tight spaces, the 6" works wonders.
>
> I also bought a 1/4" hex drive 3/8" keyed drill chuck for use with the
> impact. The Impactor ate my $1.50 HF keyless chuck in about 30
> seconds.

Yes, just like in the socket wrench world there are separate impact
rated extensions, the ordinary hex extensions that work fine on
drill-drivers are destroyed by impact drivers.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 12:22 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:35:06 -0500, the infamous "Pete C."
<aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> scrawled the following:

>
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:04:07 -0500, the infamous "Pete C."
>> <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> scrawled the following:
>>
>> >
>> >Steve B wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I see lots of ads on TV for cordless drills. In almost every case, they are
>> >> chucked up to a simple #2 Phillips bit. Why is that? Don't they know about
>> >> all the quick change extensions? I have used just a bit in a pinch, but
>> >> many times, the chuck runs into the wood or something else. Plus there is
>> >> no slider to hold the screws until they get started. Do you use an
>> >> extension or not? I almost always do.
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >
>> >I use an impact driver which has a 1/4" hex quick change chuck. If I
>> >need a long reach I typically use a long bit.
>>
>> Ditto here, either a long bit or hex extension. www.Rockler.com has
>> 2, 3, and 6" square bits for a couple bucks apiece. I buy from them
>> when they have their free shipping sales.
>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=299&filter=square%20drive%20bit
>> The 2" is my most used, but in tight spaces, the 6" works wonders.
>>
>> I also bought a 1/4" hex drive 3/8" keyed drill chuck for use with the
>> impact. The Impactor ate my $1.50 HF keyless chuck in about 30
>> seconds.
>
>Yes, just like in the socket wrench world there are separate impact
>rated extensions, the ordinary hex extensions that work fine on
>drill-drivers are destroyed by impact drivers.

I'm on my 2rd 1/4hex x 1/4square adaptor, but the newest one is U.S.
made and is lasting better. I had a couple good HF adaptors (plus the
first bad one) but I lost them. The only 1/4hex x 3/8square adaptor
I've tried (from HF, used for driving 6"-8" x 1/2" lags into beams)
has held up well, too.

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STOP THE SLAUGHTER! Boycott Baby Oil!

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TOPIC: A short story
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d4610d162edab5dc?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:47 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:15:25 -0500, RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote:

>John R. Carroll wrote:
>
>> The regular Afghan Army is an excellent, well equipped and disciplined
>> fighting force. As good as there is.
>
>
>No kidding? First of heard that.
>In fact I've seen reports and videos indicating they are worthless
>dopeheads.

Indeed. The several buddies I currently have working in Afghanistan
pretty much agree with your statement.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 12:24 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:15:25 -0500, RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John R. Carroll wrote:
>>
>>> The regular Afghan Army is an excellent, well equipped and
>>> disciplined fighting force. As good as there is.
>>
>>
>> No kidding? First of heard that.
>> In fact I've seen reports and videos indicating they are worthless
>> dopeheads.
>
> Indeed. The several buddies I currently have working in Afghanistan
> pretty much agree with your statement.

Says the man and his 8' centipede and BS insurance stories.
LOL
Credible you are not.

--
John R. Carroll

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Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 1:02 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

RBnDFW wrote:
> John R. Carroll wrote:
>
>> The regular Afghan Army is an excellent, well equipped and
>> disciplined fighting force. As good as there is.
>
>
> No kidding? First of heard that.
> In fact I've seen reports and videos indicating they are worthless
> dopeheads.

Yeah, I've heard some of that. It usually starts out from Army units trying
to explain their lack of success on the field.
This is particularly true in areas that resemble the Korangal Valley. 42
KIA, 10X wounded and for nothing. Rambo Bush charged over the hill without a
plan, without intelligence and in the complete absence of a clear goal. A
brief study of history would have revealed the stupidity behind the original
mission.

The US Army didn't care for the Afghan regulars because they would refuse
stupid mission assignments and were eventually ordered out by their command
and sent where they could do some actual good.

The truth is that it's an American civilian command and not a support
failure.

Spc. Robert Soto of Company B, First Battalion, 26th Infantry
"It confuses me, why it took so long for them to realize that we weren't
making progress up there,"
In June, 2005 a four-man team of SEALs was ambushed on a ridge above the
valley.
Three were killed and the helicopter sent to rescue them was shot down,
killing eight more Navy SEALS and eight other servicemen.

I wonder what Pentagon jackass ordered that up.

I don't know why Spc. Soto was confused.
It's pretty clear his mission was shit for brains from the start.
Our armed forces operate on the principal that everyone going all the way up
the chain of command has been thoughtful, deliberate and careful.

At the highest civilian level, where ultimate goals are set, that means a
carefully considered and well defined outcome.
Soto just couldn't believe that the chain of command had failed right at
the very top. He wouldn't even have considered it.

Had we actually accomplished out original mission, we wouldn't be in
Afghanistan today.
As it is, we are going to be propping up Karzai and his successors with
money, men and material for a long time.
The only result is that we'll end up with less and less men, money and
material and the gangsters in Afghanistan will prosper.
They aren't going anywhere. Afghanistan is their home.

--
John R. Carroll

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TOPIC: Heat/air for small garage/shop
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21ca08258ce8d2a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:52 am
From: stryped

I have been lookign around at used heat/air conditioners for my garage/
shop. It is not used all the time, mainly on weekends currently. It is
a 30x30x10 metal building with 2x4 walls in the inside and 2x4 trusses
on the ceiling.

I found a local heating air guy that has an 80's 3 ton unit that he
says was workign when pulled out of the house. The owner wanted to
upgrade. But, it is not a split system like I have in my house.

Is there a way to use this and it not look bad ? I mean, how would you
do the duct from the outside to the inside with a 2x4 wall?

Would this be too inefficent since it is old even though I am not in
there all the time. It does get terribly hot in there in the summer, I
am not as concerned about heat in the winter. I am in the process of
insulating currently and have no inside wall material as of yet other
than studs.

I have a 100 amp panel in my garage.

This unit is 300 bucks.

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TOPIC: OT-Arm Yourselves OT tea party militia in oklahoma aka "it's starting"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f6618dcf1fcd8b2a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 11:01 am
From: pyotr filipivich

Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:03:02 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:42:41 -0500, "William Wixon"
><wwixon@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>>it'll be ironic if when the time comes for them to select a color for their
>>shirts if they pick "brown".
>>
>>http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/04/12/2109111/lawmakers-tea-party-leaders-in.html
>>
>>
>
>Why would they pick brown?

I suspect were someone to claim that "We" were going to wear brown
shirts, that most Tea Party people would show up in some other color.
"Just because."

>Thats the color of the National Socialists buddies..the Brown Shirts
>
>But then...socialists are like that. Murderous mindless and stupid.
>
>Gunner
>
>
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

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TOPIC: Sheet rock screws: fine vs coarse thread?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/405481ecb9601863?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 11:21 am
From: "Existential Angst"

"Existential Angst" <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:4bc4d846$0$21869$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Awl --
>
> Purpose? Applications?
>
> The minor diameter of the fine thread (under 2") appears to be about .115
> (mebbe less, due to inadequate penetration of caliper edge), and .090 on
> the coarse. Ergo, more "grab" with the coarse.
>
> I'm guessing the following:
>
> Coarse thread is for sheet rock on metal studs -- more grab on studs.

Heh, I'm surprised that some here have asserted that it is the fine thread
that's used on metal studs, coarse for wood.
Not disputing it, just surprised that this would be so, as it would seem
that the greater the ratio of major to minor diameter, the more grab
possible on thin sheet metal.

In fact, there's a company that exploits this with some fancy sheet metal
screws -- forgot their name, but I have a sample pack from them somewhere...

In re-thinking all this, pilot holes could be used to tailor any material to
a coarse thread. Except that, well, altho pilot holes are good, they are
also a pita.

I used to buy only fine thread, pretty much out of reflex, but now I find
myself much more leaning toward coarse thread, overall.
Plus, coarse threads are easier to tap, less chip binding it seems.

My understanding is that fine threads on big bolts is a torque/force
consideration, for getting mating stuff really tight.

But, other than that, I think fine threads may be pretty much superfluous
for general applications, unless, for example, metal studs really do call
for a fine thread screw.

Bottom line is, I think I've convinced myself to dispense with fine thread
anything, unless an application specifically benefits from a fine thread.
Sure will simplify the organization/storage aspect.
--
EA

> Altho framing screws, which afaik are only for metal stud to metal stud,
> also come in coarse and fine thread, so this may muddy this particular
> logic. Mebbe for different gauges of metal studs? I've seen some much
> heavier than others.
>
> Coarse thread for particle board et al.
>
> Fine thread for hardwood.
>
> Opinions?
>
> fyi, there exists a 3/4" and 1 1/8 SR xcrew, very hard to find.
> The 3/4 is VERY handy, when screwing from the back side of a good face,
> and the 1 1/8 occasionally comes in handy.
> A good hardware store, proly one that sells SR screws by the pound, can
> order a 25# box. If he hesitates, tell him that the 3/4" will FLY out of
> the store when people grok their utility.
> --
> EA
>

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TOPIC: US lacks expertise, China to build high speed rail in California
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/80a843cd1f531f5f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 12:22 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Bill McKee wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
> news:lYCdnRRHSOAhqljWnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Bill McKee wrote:
>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>> news:1rCdnSewmvzFzl_WnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> Bill McKee wrote:
>>>>> "Joseph Gwinn" <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:joegwinn-CE3E5D.12291111042010@news.giganews.com...
>>>>>> In article <8-qdnezi64oC9VzWnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>>>>> "Bill McKee" <bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Joseph Gwinn" <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:joegwinn-EA83EA.11491110042010@news.giganews.com...
>>>>>>>> In article <rI-dncLBAs7YWSLWnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>>>>>>> "Bill McKee" <bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:7TMvn.164585$Bs1.54646@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Ignoramus21954 <ignoramus21954@NOSPAM.21954.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> kind of shocking and sad. I have a feeling that they will
>>>>>>>>>>> not build anything due to the typical reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/business/global/08rail.html?src=me&ref=
>>>>>>>>>>> bus
>>>>>>>>>>> iness
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> My last trip maybe 5 years ago from Avignon to Paris was about 3.5
>>>>> hours and lots of it was slow. They may have upgraded since then.
>>>>> But if you stop at many stations in the Central Valley of Calif
>>>>> the time will really slow down. Plus the problem of going over the
>>>>> mountains from LA to the central valley. The Grapevine is 4000'
>>>>> high at the summit and it is only about 40 miles across. Sea
>>>>> level to 4000' back to near sea level in 40 miles. Might be
>>>>> tough for a 180 mph train
>>>>
>>>> Or you could just do what people do when the Grapevine is closed
>>>> and go around it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Another $5 billion?
>>
>> That's got to be the cheaper solution so it wouldn't be another five
>> billion, it might be five billion less.
>>
>>
>
> The problem is all those "public projects" seem to come way in over
> budget.

Oh, I thought it was the Grapevine.

>Lowballed to get it by the voters.

Sometimes.

>BART was going to be $700
> million. Everyone with a brain knew that was 3-4x low. Plus to go
> the coast route, to get around the Grapevine will add a couple hours
> of time to the trip.

You don't go down the coast, you go around the mountain to the east just
like the old road does.
It adds about an hour and a half to the trip by car and a lot of that is
through towns. It would be trivial by HS rail and rights of way wouldn't be
an issue. You'd kill a lot of birds with a single stone.

>The problem is there is not enough people that
> will utilize the service. It will either have to massively
> subsidized to keep the price down, or gas and airplane fares will
> have to skyrocket. I drive from Pleasanton to LA a few times a year
> as the kids and grandbabies live there. Takes about 5 hours and $60
> in gas each way.

I'd say more like six hours but it depends. LA is an hour or more long.
There is also a significant cost associated with depreciation involved. I
stopped flying up to my office in "The City" after 9/11 because I could
drive it faster and didn't have to bother with a rental or cab when I
arrived. Torrance to San Jose is 5 hours if you get out of LA at 2 AM. I
could make downtown SF in about 6.
The Metroliner from SF south is full, or nearly so, every trip. It's also
slow. Given that, high speed rail on the same route would probably have
decent ridership.

The best routes would be East to West and cover some distance anyway.

>I get to take lots of stuff with us and have a car
> when I get there. Flying takes about 3 hours each way, when you
> include getting to the airport, parking and security. And you can
> get tickets for about $50 a person on sale. Hard for the government
> to compete with that price structure when you have to spend many,
> many billions to build the system as well as the cost to run the
> trains.

It isn't "the government" that will be competing. The only thing the
government will be doing is providing funding, probably as bonds, along with
the Chinese. As far as I know, the private sector will end up owning all of
this.

--
John R. Carroll

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TOPIC: Just a heads up....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/507d36381a50823d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 11:28 am
From: Gunner Asch

http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-Nov-elections

Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
Nov-elections

Im simply nutz eh?

Laugh laugh laugh

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 12:19 pm
From: rangerssuck

On Apr 14, 2:28 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Spec...
>
> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
> Nov-elections
>
> Im simply nutz eh?
>
> Laugh laugh laugh
>
> Gunner
>

Yes, you are simply nuts.

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TOPIC: Need suggestions for painting aluminum? / can shaking
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/98d070c0f21a4415?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 11:41 am
From: James Waldby

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:00:37 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:23:25 -0400, [KG wrote]:
>
>>I need suggestions on painting an aluminum clutch cover for a car. I
>>Goggled it and found umpteen hits on how to chemically etch the cover &
>>cleaning it, but this is just a home project to paint it an aluminum
>>color. [...]
>
> I'd clean it thoroughly, using a scotchbrite pad to scuff it up, then
> dry it and rinse with lacquer thinner. Put it on a lazy susan and spray
> away with your aluminum rattle can after a really good shaking. It takes
> a lot to mix the metallic paints well in a can.

> MexiChrome, as they used to call it in SoCal. ;)

Have you found any good (and non-manual) way to shake a can?
I've bungeed cans of insulating foam to a small shaker table
(from a closed Fair-Rite factory, where it was used to shake
bubbles out of potted products) but think it didn't work
particularly well. Any ideas?

Also have a vibrator/tumbler* that might work better,
especially if I make a can-holding bracket that bolts on
in place of the bowl. Probably will try that next.

*<http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93252>

--
jiw

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 12:16 pm
From: rangerssuck

On Apr 14, 8:23 am, KG <kg...@msbx.net> wrote:
> I need suggestions on painting an aluminum clutch cover for a car. I Goggled it and found umpteen
> hits on how to chemically etch the cover & cleaning it, but this is just a home project to paint it
> an aluminum color. The cover is on a show car so it will not see much bad weather. I'm looking
> for a method that can be easily done at home at a reasonable cost. Any realistic suggestions would
> be appreciated.
> *****************
> Thank You kg...@msbx.net
>
> To reply to this email please remove the AT
> after the kgs in the reply to address as shown above.
>
> Never ever under estimate the incompetent.

I've had very good results preheating aluminum parts to 150 degrees or
so before a rather heavy coat of Krylon. The result is almost
indestructible.

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TOPIC: OT Good news (from "who will be the first")
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/de4246196f575c10?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 1:04 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Don Foreman wrote:
> Mary's heart surgery went very well. I was there for 12 hours until
> she shooed me outta there to go grab some grub and call some people.
>

That's great Don.

--
John R. Carroll

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 12:15 pm
From: Spehro Pefhany

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:13:19 -0500, Don Foreman
<dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:

>Mary's heart surgery went very well. I was there for 12 hours until
>she shooed me outta there to go grab some grub and call some people.

That's great news, Don!

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