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TOPIC: 20% beleive in aliens...less than % believing Obama is messiah
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e94140ecf190cac8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 8:25 pm
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:db6b9889-47a3-42d3-b655-96104ef8fa3d@n3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 10, 10:51 am, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> > Coincidence...I think not.
>>
>> > They walk among us: 1 in 5 believe in aliens?
>>
>> What % believes he's from Kenya?- Hide quoted text -
>
> The same stupid 20%.
>
> Laugh..laugh..laugh...
>

Exactly!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 9:05 pm
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:725195c2-830b-4184-a473-251b7ccf9888@4g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 10, 1:30 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@america.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 07:51:47 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>>
>> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >Coincidence...I think not.
>> >No wonder Republicans/Tebagg'less'ers are so into anal probing.
>>
>> Dennis Kookcinich is a Republican?
>>
>> Your opinion is worthless...
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 01:11:22 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>>
>> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Mar 28, 7:51 pm, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
>> ><PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Article=189993
>> >> DES MOINES – Governor Chet Culver today signed legislation that will
>> >> help protect Iowa families by taking guns out of the hands of abusers.
>> >> Senate File 2357 prohibits a person who has been convicted of a
>> >> domestic abuse crime, or is subject to a permanent civil protective
>> >> order, from possessing firearms or other offensive weapons.
>> >Hmmm...great idea...the Feds should make it a national law.
>>
>> It already is DUMBASS!
>>
>> Bwahahahahahhahahahaha!!!
>>
>> Domestic Violence Offender Gun
>> Banhttp://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/922(g)(9).html
>> "The act bans shipment, transport, ownership and use of guns or
>> ammunition by individuals convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence,
>> or who are under a restraining (protection) order for domestic abuse.
>> The act also makes it unlawful to knowingly sell or give a firearm or
>> ammunition to such
>> person."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban
>>
>> It was passed in 1996, DUMBASS!
>>
>> Bwahahahahahhahahahaha!!!
>>
>> It was passed by Republicans, DUMBASS!
>> The Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban ("Gun Ban for Individuals
>> Convicted of a Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence", Pub.L.
>> 104-208, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(9) was an amendment to the Omnibus
>> Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 enacted by the 104th United
>> States Congress in
>> 1996.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban
>>
>> 104th United States Congress
>> Senate Majority: Republican Party
>> House Majority: Republican
>> Partyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/104th_United_States_Congress
>>
>> Please change your name from "Too_Many_Tools" to "Not_Enough_Brains."
>>
>> Hahahahahahhahahahaha!!!
>>
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
>
> Have you been anal probed yet today?

I'm sure he hasn't had time to visit your mommies today, either of them.

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TOPIC: Obama sneeks off to puff on his crack pipe.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5219714412fc085a?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 8:34 pm
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5idiGLGKQYwDSrpj-R7QVJDNuSDPAD9F0D2080

Obama leaves WH without press, breaking protocol

(AP) WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama quietly breached years of protocol
on Saturday morning by leaving the White House without the press with him.

About two hours before reporters were supposed to be in position to leave
with the president, Obama left the grounds of the White House. Members of
the press were told he was attending one of his daughter's soccer games in
northwest Washington, D.C.

The White House press corps traditionally travels with the president
anywhere he goes, inside and outside the country, to report on the
president's activities for the benefit of informing the public and for
historical record.

After Obama left, a press aide hastily gathered members of the media who
happened to be at the White House early or working on other matters. They
rushed to a van and left the White House to catch up with the president.

Too late. By the time, the press van appeared to arrive at the president's
location, the press was told he was already departing. Time to go back to
the White House.

Reporters and photographers didn't have a chance to see him or his vehicle
to verify his presence at any location.

Although nobody outside the White House or the press may have noticed, Obama
broke years of tradition.

The small press "pool" that accompanies the president had been told to
gather at the White House at 11:30 a.m. He left about 9:20 a.m.

Asked what happened, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said: "The president
decided this morning to attend his daughter's soccer game. The pool was
assembled as soon as possible to be there as well."

Obama eventually left the White House again on Saturday for a round of golf.
This time, the press was with him.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 9:02 pm
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote in message
news:4bc14372@news.x-privat.org...
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5idiGLGKQYwDSrpj-R7QVJDNuSDPAD9F0D2080
>
>
> Obama leaves WH without press, breaking protocol
>
> (AP) WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama quietly breached years of
> protocol on Saturday morning by leaving the White House without the press
> with him.
>
> About two hours before reporters were supposed to be in position to leave
> with the president, Obama left the grounds of the White House. Members of
> the press were told he was attending one of his daughter's soccer games in
> northwest Washington, D.C.
>
> The White House press corps traditionally travels with the president
> anywhere he goes, inside and outside the country, to report on the
> president's activities for the benefit of informing the public and for
> historical record.
>
> After Obama left, a press aide hastily gathered members of the media who
> happened to be at the White House early or working on other matters. They
> rushed to a van and left the White House to catch up with the president.
>
> Too late. By the time, the press van appeared to arrive at the president's
> location, the press was told he was already departing. Time to go back to
> the White House.
>
> Reporters and photographers didn't have a chance to see him or his vehicle
> to verify his presence at any location.
>
> Although nobody outside the White House or the press may have noticed,
> Obama broke years of tradition.
>
> The small press "pool" that accompanies the president had been told to
> gather at the White House at 11:30 a.m. He left about 9:20 a.m.
>
> Asked what happened, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said: "The
> president decided this morning to attend his daughter's soccer game. The
> pool was assembled as soon as possible to be there as well."
>
> Obama eventually left the White House again on Saturday for a round of
> golf. This time, the press was with him.
>
>
>

http://shavedlongcock.blogspot.com/2010/04/obama-ditches-press-today-something-no.html

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 9:10 pm
From: Winston_Smith

"Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:

>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5idiGLGKQYwDSrpj-R7QVJDNuSDPAD9F0D2080
>Obama leaves WH without press, breaking protocol
>
>(AP) WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama quietly breached years of protocol
>on Saturday morning by leaving the White House without the press with him.
...
>The White House press corps traditionally travels with the president
>anywhere he goes, inside and outside the country, to report on the
>president's activities for the benefit of informing the public and for
>historical record.

He probably had a cell meeting and didn't want that in the historical
record.

__
WS in a.s and m.s
Two parties, not a dimes worth of difference.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 9:13 pm
From: Winston_Smith

Playing the post in one group and direct responses to a different
group game -

"Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
Also known as Hot Ham and Cheese and a dozen other aliases.

He probably had a cell meeting and didn't want that in the historical
record.

__
WS in a.s and m.s
Two parties, not a dimes worth of difference.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 9:50 pm
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

Too_Many_Tools the loony Lib disguised as WS said:

"Winston_Smith" <not_real@bogus.net> wrote in message
news:hvi2s5l624tet4vv4kasvm010q5knaruqb@4ax.com...
> Playing the post in one group and direct responses to a different
> group game -
>
> "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
> Also known as Hot Ham and Cheese and a dozen other aliases.
>
>>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5idiGLGKQYwDSrpj-R7QVJDNuSDPAD9F0D2080
>>Obama leaves WH without press, breaking protocol
>>
>>(AP) WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama quietly breached years of
>>protocol
>>on Saturday morning by leaving the White House without the press with him.
> ...
>>The White House press corps traditionally travels with the president
>>anywhere he goes, inside and outside the country, to report on the
>>president's activities for the benefit of informing the public and for
>>historical record.
>
> He probably had a cell meeting and didn't want that in the historical
> record.
>
No, he was just sneaking away to hit on his crack pipe like the headline
says. You loons are always trying to cover for him. Say hi to your mommies
for me.

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TOPIC: MIG at home garage legality
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1a6a4e50fb608d27?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 8:36 pm
From: jk

clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

> If welding steel just put a magnet on the part - not much magnetic
>flux required to keep the metal attached with no gravity to make it
>flow

Except that you are past the Curie point in the "puddle" aren't you?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 8:50 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-04-11, clare@snyder.on.ca <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:06:25 -0400, Joseph Gwinn
><joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <1_GdnWDJRcGFWCLWnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>> "Bill McKee" <bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Tim Wescott" <tim@seemywebsite.now> wrote in message
>>> news:IumdnbsujcDQPCLWnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@web-ster.com...
>>> > Wes wrote:
>>> >> Ignoramus21954 <ignoramus21954@NOSPAM.21954.invalid> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Which kind of brings up a question, can one weld in weightlessness.

[ ... ]

>>> > Maybe not MIG -- maybe just go outside, make sure everything is clean, and
>>> > do _unshielded_ metal-arc welding in the vacuum. Seems like welding
>>> > inside would crap up the atmosphere pretty quick, although if you just had
>>> > to I suppose you'd need to.

[ ... ]

>>> > SMAW may be needed, and work, in a vacuum. It would be handy to add the
>>> > neato alloying elements that come from the stick coating, but I bet you'd
>>> > need special coatings to work.

[ ... ]

>>> Maybe even easier to weld in space. Outside that is. No shielding gas
>>> required. Maybe some flux depending on the material. Biggest problem would
>>> be weighlessness. the weld pool may not pool. Just float away from the
>>> welding pressures.
>>
>>I think that surface tension will keep the weld puddle in place.

Maybe -- what are the forces created by the arc (assuming that
you can strike an arc in vacuum)?

> If welding steel just put a magnet on the part - not much magnetic
> flux required to keep the metal attached with no gravity to make it
> flow

Would the puddle not be above the curie point? No magnetic
response to help you.

Enjoy,
DoN.

--
Email: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 11:09 pm
From: "Bill McKee"

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote in message
news:55adnay-FeV3IF3WnZ2dnUVZ_vOvnZ2d@posted.isomediainc...
> Bill McKee wrote:
>
>>
>> "Tim Wescott" <tim@seemywebsite.now> wrote in message
>> news:IumdnbsujcDQPCLWnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@web-ster.com...
>>> Wes wrote:
>>>> Ignoramus21954 <ignoramus21954@NOSPAM.21954.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Which kind of brings up a question, can one weld in weightlessness.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe spot welding and friction welding. I'm betting agaist MIG.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, since I'm assuming we are in space in some sort of vessel, what is
>>>> the atmosphere we
>>>> working with?
>>>
>>> Maybe not MIG -- maybe just go outside, make sure everything is clean,
>>> and
>>> do _unshielded_ metal-arc welding in the vacuum. Seems like welding
>>> inside would crap up the atmosphere pretty quick, although if you just
>>> had to I suppose you'd need to.
>>>
>>> Maybe before we go to Mars NASA needs to develop a JB Weld that'll work
>>> in a vacuum.
>>>
>>> SMAW may be needed, and work, in a vacuum. It would be handy to add the
>>> neato alloying elements that come from the stick coating, but I bet
>>> you'd
>>> need special coatings to work.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim Wescott
>>> Control system and signal processing consulting
>>> www.wescottdesign.com
>>
>> Maybe even easier to weld in space. Outside that is. No shielding gas
>> required. Maybe some flux depending on the material. Biggest problem
>> would
>> be weighlessness. the weld pool may not pool. Just float away from the
>> welding pressures.
>
> Can you weld upside down with a given process?
>
> --
> Paul Hovnanian paul@hovnanian.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Have gnu, will travel.

True you can weld upside down. But you may have faster cooling from the
convection and maybe more surface pressure. If any gas generated in the
welding, it would have a tendency to blow the metal all directions.

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TOPIC: OT computer/video question OT
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ac7232947b553889?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 8:39 pm
From: "Snag"

I just downloaded and installed ATI Catalyst Control Center . I now have
A COLOR PICTURE ON MY FUCKIN" TEEVEE !!!

Helps to have the proper software for the video card .
Y'al have all been most helpful , and I appreciate everyones contributions
to my problems .
THANKS !!!

--
Snag
"90 FLHTCU "Strider"
'39 WLDD "PopCycle"
BS 132/SENS/DOF

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TOPIC: Who will be the first?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f434d5963fd21822?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 8:47 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:44:18 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>
><dcaster@krl.org> wrote in message
>news:776a5786-9c88-4303-8730-2a79370ff0ba@v13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>On Apr 10, 5:00 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> I don't think I read more than 20% of the posts on RCM. I don't read about
>> CNC electronics or three-phase motors, either. That's just too close to
>> production manufacturing, which I'm not interested in for hobby's sake.
>>
>> Ed Huntress
>
>>Three phase motors are hobby stuff now. No big thing to buy three
>>phase motors at $10 / hp. I have bought and sold some at about $5/
>>hp. The VFD's can be found pretty cheap too. So for hobby money you
>>can convert your machine tool to variable speed. I converted my lathe
>>to variable speed via a VFD and am planning on doing the same to my
>>drill press.
>>
>> Dan
>
>To me, hobby machining stops at a 10" SB lathe and a Rockwell mill.
>Bridgeports and CNC lathes, etc., make up a pretty extreme hobby.
>
>But each to his own. I'm just not interested in getting into it at that
>level.

I have a B'Port but I could certainly get along with a smaller knee
mill. Both my lathe and my mill are 3-phase but I've never used nor
felt the need for variable speed on either. I can shift gears on the
lathe or move the belt on the mill pulley, not in any hurry.

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TOPIC: Question for electronics majors.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0fb06a99861a038b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 8:49 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:14:11 -0700, "Stu Fields" <eh@iwvisp.com>
wrote:

>
>"cavelamb" <""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net"> wrote in message
>news:6fednVGlzdDOel3WnZ2dnUVZ_sKmnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> On 4/10/2010 9:22 AM, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
>>> Hey all - the cordless drill saga continues. At low RPM, they have
>>> very little torque. If I substituted a higher voltage feed supply, and
>>> kept the same (presumably) PWM original control, and taking note of
>>> controller ratings, would this give more torque considering more
>>> energy (from the higher voltage) is being transferred to the motor
>>> where it does more "work" - (not sure of the right techo word here)
>>>
>>> Andrew VK3BFA.
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind . . .
>>
>> Power - Current x Voltage
>>
>> or
>>
>> Power = Current SQUARED x Resistance
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Richard Lamb
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/
>
> Another handy formula Power = (Torque x rpm)/5252
>
>In PWM it is possible to increase the pulse width to get more energy into
>the motor. Yes if you hold the rpm constant by an external load, you will
>increase the torque per the above equation. You can also burn up the motor.
>The way torque was obtained in my old Triumph was to put a larger sprocket
>on the back wheel which reduced the rpm of the wheel for the same engine rpm
>which still produced the same power being provided to the rear wheel. Lower
>wheel rpm with same power had more torque.
>
MOST PWM drill controllers (at least both of my Craftsman ans my
Ryobi) have speed feedback - the thumbswitch sets the SPEED of the
motor and the controller provides whatever current is required to
provide the speed called for by the trigger setting (within reason)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 10:27 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 07:22:35 -0700 (PDT), Andrew VK3BFA
<VK3BFA@wia.org.au> wrote:

>Hey all - the cordless drill saga continues. At low RPM, they have
>very little torque. If I substituted a higher voltage feed supply, and
>kept the same (presumably) PWM original control, and taking note of
>controller ratings, would this give more torque considering more
>energy (from the higher voltage) is being transferred to the motor
>where it does more "work" - (not sure of the right techo word here)
>
>Andrew VK3BFA.

A DCPM motor's max torque is determined by its max current,
independent of speed unless speed affects cooling by internal fan.
Aside from cooling, max torque at max rated current is the same from
stall to the highest speed where it can draw max rated current.

A wound-field series-connected DC motor (unusual in cordless tools)
can deliver significantly greater torque at low speeds.

If your motor's torque droops at low speeds, the problem is in the
controller.

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TOPIC: OT Responsible millionaires for higher taxes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ecf823165bb60d03?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 9:38 pm
From: F. George McDuffee

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:08:57 -0400, "Buerste"
<buerste@buerste.com> wrote:

>> I vaguely remember reading an article that said if somehow the all the
>> money the richest people had was redistributed evenly among the
>> population of the country, the yield to each person would be
>> surprisingly small. Does anybody have any clearer memory of that? Didn't
>> get anywhere with Google so far.
>
>I remember reading that if all the present wealth was redistributed evenly,
>it would all be back in the hands of the original owners in a few years.
===========
That's the claim, but I doubt it.

To be sure the money/wealth would again be quickly concentrated
into a few hands, but most likely these would be different hands.

In many cases, the founder of the fortune/dynasty passed on years
ago, and his heirs have no real idea how he did it, only a
collection of family myths/legends.

In other cases the socio-economic/cultural/political
circumstances [and luck] that allowed the growth of the original
dynasty/trust have completely changed, e.g. Rockefeller would be
unable to re-establish an oil monopoly, Sam Walton would be
unable to reestablish Walmart, etc.

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 10:18 pm
From: Ignoramus27467

On 2010-04-11, F George McDuffee <gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
> To be sure the money/wealth would again be quickly concentrated
> into a few hands, but most likely these would be different hands.
>
> In many cases, the founder of the fortune/dynasty passed on years
> ago, and his heirs have no real idea how he did it, only a
> collection of family myths/legends.

Great point and it is something that I completely missed.

I remember how years ago, my girlfriend had a side job and worked at a
house occupied by a rich family, with several adult siblings living
together.

I was invited ones to look and was kind of impressed, these heirs
lived a life of leisure, seemed very kind to one another, I remember
how they sat in chairs and discussed civilly some latest developments
of something. They were just very nice people all around. I would not
terribly mind such life for my kids.

It seemed to be great in very many ways, but for sure they would not
be able to re-earn their wealth, if it was redistributed.

> In other cases the socio-economic/cultural/political
> circumstances [and luck] that allowed the growth of the original
> dynasty/trust have completely changed, e.g. Rockefeller would be
> unable to re-establish an oil monopoly, Sam Walton would be
> unable to reestablish Walmart, etc.

I would invest, on the spot, into any business that Sam Walton would
open, in this hypothetical scenario.

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TOPIC: US lacks expertise, China to build high speed rail in California
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/80a843cd1f531f5f?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 9:38 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:04:54 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:57:58 -0700, Larry Jaques
><ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:36:21 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
>><gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:22:35 -0500, Ignoramus21954
>>><ignoramus21954@NOSPAM.21954.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>kind of shocking and sad. I have a feeling that they will not build
>>>>anything due to the typical reasons.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/business/global/08rail.html?src=me&ref=business
>>>
>>>
>>>Its interesting to know what happened the last time "chinese came to
>>>America to build railroads"
>>
>>Yabbut, this time, they insist upon being paid in advance for it. And
>>we're insisting on doing all the labor ourselves, no doubt paying top
>>dollar to unionistas instead of putting people to work at decent
>>wages. I wish Ahnold luck in funding it, though.
>
>
>So the sides of the railroads across the nation wont be fertilized by
>the mouldering bodies of Chinese and Irish?

Nope. It'll be illegal aliens (and a few USAtians) if the unions and
Liberals have any say in it...and they have a lot of say both there
and here. <disgruntled sigh>

--
Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace
will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will
blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy,
while cares will drop away from you like the leaves of Autumn.
-- John Muir

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 9:43 pm
From: Eregon

Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
news:5oc2s51n8bhsorff1m1u4tsot7jc5uo58q@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:20:18 -0500, the renowned Ignoramus27467
> <ignoramus27467@NOSPAM.27467.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-04-10, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:22:35 -0500, Ignoramus21954
>>><ignoramus21954@NOSPAM.21954.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>kind of shocking and sad. I have a feeling that they will not build
>>>>anything due to the typical reasons.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/business/global/08rail.html?src=me&
>>>>ref=business
>>>
>>>
>>> Its interesting to know what happened the last time "chinese came to
>>> America to build railroads"
>>
>>They built railtoads? What else happened?
>
> Sweet and sour chicken balls and moo goo gai pan.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Chinese_cuisine
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Chinese_cuisine
>
>
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany

Also Chop Suey. <grin>

Iggy really _should_ do his own research. <GRIN>

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 11:02 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:20:18 -0500, Ignoramus27467
<ignoramus27467@NOSPAM.27467.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-04-10, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:22:35 -0500, Ignoramus21954
>><ignoramus21954@NOSPAM.21954.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>kind of shocking and sad. I have a feeling that they will not build
>>>anything due to the typical reasons.
>>>
>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/business/global/08rail.html?src=me&ref=business
>>
>>
>> Its interesting to know what happened the last time "chinese came to
>> America to build railroads"
>
>They built railtoads? What else happened?

You havent been following the thread have you?

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 11:03 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:28:13 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:20:18 -0500, the renowned Ignoramus27467
><ignoramus27467@NOSPAM.27467.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-04-10, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:22:35 -0500, Ignoramus21954
>>><ignoramus21954@NOSPAM.21954.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>kind of shocking and sad. I have a feeling that they will not build
>>>>anything due to the typical reasons.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/business/global/08rail.html?src=me&ref=business
>>>
>>>
>>> Its interesting to know what happened the last time "chinese came to
>>> America to build railroads"
>>
>>They built railtoads? What else happened?
>
>Sweet and sour chicken balls and moo goo gai pan.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Chinese_cuisine
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Chinese_cuisine
>

YUMMMM!!!!
>
>Best regards,
>Spehro Pefhany

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: 80 year old waterpump that still works
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 9:56 pm
From: Ignoramus27467

http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/Antique-Electric-Water-Pump/Antique-Electric-Water-Pump-6762.jpg

And the company is still around also.

I want to look THAT good at the age of this pump.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 10:17 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:27:57 -0400, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:

>Today, I thought I'd make the rear barrel plate for my gatlingun. Simple round disk with
>an array of 10 threaded holes, a central hole for a hex bushing and a dowel pin hole at 12
>o'clock.
>
>Easiest way to do this looks like I bolt the round plate to a chunk of flat stock and hold
>the flat stock in my mill vise. I look around and find a 3/8 NC cap screw. Okay, I'll
>use that with a washer to hold the plate down. Grab the tap stand, what is a 1/8 NPT tap
>doing in the 3/8 NF hole?
>
>Okay, I'll look for another bolt. Didn't find another bolt but I did find some 1/2 NC
>threaded rod. Sweet. Back to the tap stand, there is a 5/8 NC tap in the hole for the
>1/2 NC tap. I have a feeling this isn't going to be my day.
>
>Rummage around some more, I find what I think is a 1/2-20 bolt, that would be good enough.
>Check the tap stand, hey, I got a 1/2 NF tap! Check bolt to tap to see if pitch is same.
>Match.
>
>Drill and tap hole. Bolt falls into hole. ???? Look at tap stand and see there is such a
>thing as a 7/16-20 fastener and by Jove I have a tap for it. I put tapped hole on other
>side of plate.
>
>Now we are cooking but I'm worrying that with a washer to bridge the 9/16" hole in my
>plate, I might not have enough thread engagement since the bolt I have is rather short.
>One more trip to the junk box I found the 7/16-20 bolt in and I find a FHSC in 7/16-20.
>That works really well, the head centers my plate rather well over the center of the
>tapped hole.
>
>Indicate the barrel plate to find center, calculate x-y's of the 10 threaded holes and
>plug away with spot drilling, drilling, chamfering and then tapping.
>
>Unfortunately, on hole #10 I let the tap I was using go in too deep while power tapping
>with the Bridgeport and the quill hit the quill stop and started to lift once side of the
>flat stock I was using causing a crooked hole.
>
>Good thing I bought extra stock. I'm going to need it.
>
>Wes

Bummer, that eau chitte moment after some investment in labor.

I am attempting to do stress-free pillar bedding of a rifle. I've
never done it before so I'm going *very* slowly. I think I'm ready
for final goo (epoxy) but I won't do that until I've slept on it. I'd
really prefer not to have this be an oopsie. It's not an expensive
rifle but I'd still like to get it right.

Traditional goo has been acraglass, but I'm using Devcon 10110. Fitch
and I call it d22 because 10110 in binary is 22 in decimal.
(b10110=d22) It's very dense steel-filled epoxy used and advocated by
a guy who beds a lot of competition benchrest rifles.

I'm hoping to get below half-MOA (minute of arc) accuracy, i.e.
groups shot from 100 yards with max center-to-center distance of under
half an inch from this rifle. The rifle is a Savage "package rifle",
an inexpensive "consumer" off-the-rack rifle in .243. It's a sporter,
not a benchrest rifle, but it's been a shooter as found so I really
hope with some pucker that I improve it rather than screwing it up.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/

Yikes! I don't know if they're getting MSRP for these, but I paid
about half that for mine about 3 years ago, brand new, at the General
Store in Osakis MN.
http://tinyurl.com/yckr3g8

The scope was a cheap Simmons, long since replaced. Not knocking the
Savage package rifle concept, it's an excellent value. The rifle as
found with the Simmons 3-9x scope had more than sufficient accuracy
for 90% of deerhunters shooting from a tree stand. Most deer in MN
are taken at ranges of well under 100 yards.

More when (if) I can get it apart after the goo cures, get it
reassembled correctly, get the scope re-mounted and re-zeroed and see
how it shoots. It shot about 1 MOA before with 70 gn bullets, didn't
do as well with 100 gn because the rifling isn't quite steep enough to
be optimal for 100 gn. I don't care, 70 gn is ample for target and
varmints. I'd use a heavier caliber if I hunted deer.

If this turns out well then my next project will be my .22-250.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 10:43 pm
From: "RAM³"

Don Foreman <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in
news:b4k2s5t33qs53btjcgbipakep5gth7mhk0@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:27:57 -0400, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>Today, I thought I'd make the rear barrel plate for my gatlingun.
>>Simple round disk with an array of 10 threaded holes, a central hole
>>for a hex bushing and a dowel pin hole at 12 o'clock.
>>
>>Easiest way to do this looks like I bolt the round plate to a chunk of
>>flat stock and hold the flat stock in my mill vise. I look around and
>>find a 3/8 NC cap screw. Okay, I'll use that with a washer to hold
>>the plate down. Grab the tap stand, what is a 1/8 NPT tap doing in
>>the 3/8 NF hole?
>>
>>Okay, I'll look for another bolt. Didn't find another bolt but I did
>>find some 1/2 NC threaded rod. Sweet. Back to the tap stand, there
>>is a 5/8 NC tap in the hole for the 1/2 NC tap. I have a feeling this
>>isn't going to be my day.
>>
>>Rummage around some more, I find what I think is a 1/2-20 bolt, that
>>would be good enough. Check the tap stand, hey, I got a 1/2 NF tap!
>>Check bolt to tap to see if pitch is same. Match.
>>
>>Drill and tap hole. Bolt falls into hole. ???? Look at tap stand and
>>see there is such a thing as a 7/16-20 fastener and by Jove I have a
>>tap for it. I put tapped hole on other side of plate.
>>
>>Now we are cooking but I'm worrying that with a washer to bridge the
>>9/16" hole in my plate, I might not have enough thread engagement
>>since the bolt I have is rather short. One more trip to the junk box I
>>found the 7/16-20 bolt in and I find a FHSC in 7/16-20. That works
>>really well, the head centers my plate rather well over the center of
>>the tapped hole.
>>
>>Indicate the barrel plate to find center, calculate x-y's of the 10
>>threaded holes and plug away with spot drilling, drilling, chamfering
>>and then tapping.
>>
>>Unfortunately, on hole #10 I let the tap I was using go in too deep
>>while power tapping with the Bridgeport and the quill hit the quill
>>stop and started to lift once side of the flat stock I was using
>>causing a crooked hole.
>>
>>Good thing I bought extra stock. I'm going to need it.
>>
>>Wes
>
> Bummer, that eau chitte moment after some investment in labor.
>
> I am attempting to do stress-free pillar bedding of a rifle. I've
> never done it before so I'm going *very* slowly. I think I'm ready
> for final goo (epoxy) but I won't do that until I've slept on it. I'd
> really prefer not to have this be an oopsie. It's not an expensive
> rifle but I'd still like to get it right.
>
> Traditional goo has been acraglass, but I'm using Devcon 10110. Fitch
> and I call it d22 because 10110 in binary is 22 in decimal.
> (b10110=d22) It's very dense steel-filled epoxy used and advocated by
> a guy who beds a lot of competition benchrest rifles.
>
> I'm hoping to get below half-MOA (minute of arc) accuracy, i.e.
> groups shot from 100 yards with max center-to-center distance of under
> half an inch from this rifle. The rifle is a Savage "package rifle",
> an inexpensive "consumer" off-the-rack rifle in .243. It's a sporter,
> not a benchrest rifle, but it's been a shooter as found so I really
> hope with some pucker that I improve it rather than screwing it up.
>
> http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/
>
> Yikes! I don't know if they're getting MSRP for these, but I paid
> about half that for mine about 3 years ago, brand new, at the General
> Store in Osakis MN.
> http://tinyurl.com/yckr3g8
>
> The scope was a cheap Simmons, long since replaced. Not knocking the
> Savage package rifle concept, it's an excellent value. The rifle as
> found with the Simmons 3-9x scope had more than sufficient accuracy
> for 90% of deerhunters shooting from a tree stand. Most deer in MN
> are taken at ranges of well under 100 yards.
>
> More when (if) I can get it apart after the goo cures, get it
> reassembled correctly, get the scope re-mounted and re-zeroed and see
> how it shoots. It shot about 1 MOA before with 70 gn bullets, didn't
> do as well with 100 gn because the rifling isn't quite steep enough to
> be optimal for 100 gn. I don't care, 70 gn is ample for target and
> varmints. I'd use a heavier caliber if I hunted deer.
>
> If this turns out well then my next project will be my .22-250.
>
>

Be advised that many Savage rifles are most accurate when the barrel is
free-floated.

My (now "ancient" @ 30 years old) 110DL .30/06 was lucky to get 1.5 MOA
from the box but, having floated the barrel, it'll provide me with 1-hole
5-round 100-yd groups if I'm doing my part of the work.

Earlier I'd had a 110MDL in .264 Win. Mag. that had given similar
results. (It was stolen from my apartment. 8-{ )

Be sure that the action, itself, is snug but be prepared to sand out the
barrel channel. (A sheet of carbon paper makes both a good marker AND a
good gauge.)

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TOPIC: OT: [OT] That was funny!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 10:57 pm
From: Winston

On 4/10/2010 4:42 PM, Wes wrote:

(...)

> Might as well admit defeat now.

I disagree!

There is hope (even for us older folks) in our brain's
plastic nature. Over the last few months, I decided to test
my brain's plasticity.
I figured that I would recall the day and date without
checking an external reference. Right now, I can tell you
it's Saturday April 10th. (Yes I checked it after I typed
it.)

It's simple. At the end of each month, I memorize
only one number; that is the date of the first
Monday for the following month. For instance, the first
Monday in February and March fell on the 1st.
The first Monday in April fell on the 5th.

So just now, I recalled that I was in the first week
of April and that the first Monday fell on the 5th.
I recalled that it was Saturday so, that makes the
date 5 plus 5 (though I visualize the week as a sort
of 'dice' '5' pattern with Monday in the top left corner
and two dots representing the weekend on a second die.)

Next week, I'll recall that I'm in the 'second week' so
I will merely add an offset of 7 to arrive at the date.
Next Wednesday will fall on the 14th, because the second
Monday in April will fall on the (5+7) or 12th.

In the third week, I will offset the numbers by 14.
That Monday will fall on the 5+14 or the 19th.

The first week of the month is often a special case.
In the first week of April, I reasoned that if the first
Monday of the month had not occurred yet, then the date
can only be in the range 1-4. I just count backwards
which makes that Thursday April 1st. (Not a hint.)

It works a treat and inspires confidence. I wonder what
other tricks people employ to remember stuff.

--Winston <-- Says Use it or Lose it. :)

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TOPIC: Battery drill external battery pack
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 11:06 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:11:09 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I've had moments when I'm away from a power socket. But, a
>short cord to battery pack would be no big concern.

Thats pretty much how I was figuring it as well.

After reading this thread..Ill be converting a very nice high end
Craftsman cordless drill to external battery pack. I picked it up at a
yard sale for $2. All three battery packs are stone dead and wont take a
charge.

Ill gut one pack, hook a long wire to it and connect to a battery. The
other two battery packs Ill save and perhaps rebuild when money gets
better.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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