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Today's topics:

* Thermostat set back and other energy savings - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f4607bbef63d250f?hl=en
* The rich pay less taxes - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60e3bc56d2438bd8?hl=en
* Man, 62, dies after being left brain dead from punch in head by racist black
thug - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8c34c96306149d53?hl=en
* Obama voter performs aerial acrobatics on high voltage tower. - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a08ed9cd8d7d78d5?hl=en
* Democrats taxed the railroads to death - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ac21797856baf3de?hl=en
* The CIA is fucking America up the ass. They're responsible for Obama's
election. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/84bc686571456a21?hl=en
* For The Survivalists... Apocalyptic Can Opener - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21144f8a3c868ca1?hl=en
* It's time to stop paying WalMart Welfare - 6 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e27742b0ec7f43?hl=en
* Tom Gardner still here? - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7eb69fec8763bff1?hl=en
* When Did Christian Values Change From 'Love Thy Neighbor' to 'Fuck Off and
Die'? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5a707d69dc51746e?hl=en
* Fabricating 3-D weapons has come a long way - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/968637bccba46e88?hl=en
* Thermostat set-back - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/06857df984d7bae1?hl=en
* Can a Asch be killed but NOT be married? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d2b624b4ab616239?hl=en
* Heavy duty sewing shops? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d3a5b35354cbb8f8?hl=en

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TOPIC: Thermostat set back and other energy savings
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f4607bbef63d250f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 12:43 am
From: "RogerN"


"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
news:BOCdnaGDHZBgsRrPnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@giganews.com...

>We're setting the six thermostats back to 45 deg. at 4:30 closing time and
>65 deg. at 6:30 AM, 1/2 hr. before opening. This seems OK for the people
>and the thermostats won't go below 45. Our gas bills chart usage so it
>will be easy to compare to last year. We also have fans near the ceiling
>to move hot air around corners that come on with the heaters. We covered a
>lot of windows with shrink film and hit any cracks with "Great Stuff".
>Thanks for all the ideas!

A few years back at work, we got a freezing spell sort of sudden, an
electrical room had its door open but they hadn't yet closed the outside
vent. An operator nearby got cold and closed the door to the room.
Sprinkler heads froze and drenched a 4160 volt transformer, switch gear and
a motor control center. Just something to consider, make sure the coldest
areas don't get cold enough to bust pipes and such.

RogerN






== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 2:28 am
From: Karl Townsend


On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 02:43:17 -0600, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net>
wrote:

>"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
>news:BOCdnaGDHZBgsRrPnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>>We're setting the six thermostats back to 45 deg. at 4:30 closing time and
>>65 deg. at 6:30 AM, 1/2 hr. before opening. This seems OK for the people
>>and the thermostats won't go below 45. Our gas bills chart usage so it
>>will be easy to compare to last year. We also have fans near the ceiling
>>to move hot air around corners that come on with the heaters. We covered a
>>lot of windows with shrink film and hit any cracks with "Great Stuff".
>>Thanks for all the ideas!
>
>A few years back at work, we got a freezing spell sort of sudden, an
>electrical room had its door open but they hadn't yet closed the outside
>vent. An operator nearby got cold and closed the door to the room.
>Sprinkler heads froze and drenched a 4160 volt transformer, switch gear and
>a motor control center. Just something to consider, make sure the coldest
>areas don't get cold enough to bust pipes and such.
>
>RogerN
>
If Tom has a security system, I've found temp alarms to be very
useful. have Lo/Hi alarms in the coolers, freezers, greenhouse, and a
couple in my home.

Karl




== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 4:54 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:29:44 AM UTC-5, Tom Gardner wrote:
> We're setting the six thermostats back to 45 deg. at 4:30 closing time
>
Thanks for all the ideas!

One more idea. Set the thermostats back to 45 deg at about 4 O'clock. It will take a little while for the building to cool down enough to be noticeable.

Dan






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TOPIC: The rich pay less taxes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60e3bc56d2438bd8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 12:58 am
From: RightWing Perverts


Rudy Canoza brought next idea :
> On 11/14/2013 7:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> news:l63unj$i1b$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Given the federal government gets more than God, does that mean that
>>> the Federal government more powerful than God, or are they simply over
>>> paid?
>>>
>> With government we give to ourselves.
>
> Bullshit. Government agents, favoring one class of citizens - the
> unproductive parasite class - seize value from another class - the
> producers - and give it to the parasites. That's not "giving to ourselves"
> - *I* am not getting any benefit out of the "transaction."
>
> There is no ethically valid rationale for government agents to take value,
> by threat of force, from productive people in order to it to deadbeats.

Americans like you have no ethics.

Post in US newsgroups Rudy.

No one cares if your kind lives or dies.

You're a fucking buckwheat from the red state USA.

You're freaked out about a negro as a president.

Most Americans are fake Christians, fake capitalists and fake honest
people.

Hell, your right wing doesn't even believe in science.

The Bush tax cuts are in place. Why aren't you so called capitalists
taking advantage of them?

You're just another lazy old white American pig.

YOU DON'T WORK FOR A LIVING, YOU FUCK THE DOG RUDY.






== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 4:03 am
From: Gunner Asch


On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:32:00 -0600, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:

>Gronk <invalid@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in
>news:l63e1h$5il$1@news.mixmin.net:
>
>> Scout wrote:
>>> "Save The Rich" <yeung@yahoo.ch> wrote in message
>>> news:l5mi27$cb1$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>> Bill Shatzer wrote on 11/09/2013 :
>>>>> Wayne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> -snips-
>>>>>
>>>>>> Democrats and republicans. Otherwise the mortgage interest
>>>>>> deduction would have been repealed.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And it should be repealed. I own my home outright and get no
>>>>>> deduction for ownership.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure you do. The property taxes are deductible plus when you sell
>>>>> the old homestead, the first quarter million of capital gains (half
>>>>> million if you're married) is exempt from taxes.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see why the rich should pay any taxes. After all, Reagan's
>>>> Trickle Down economic theory dictates that the wealthier the rich
>>>> get, the more jobs await us, trickling down to our begging hands.
>>>
>>> Yep, and the result was the longest period of sustained economic
>>> growth in US history......
>>
>> With no trickle down, only trickle up. Income disparity grew.
>>
>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2013/03/28/the-mystery-of-inc
>> ome-inequality-broken-down-to-one-simple-chart/
>
>Interesting that the big jump in that disparity happened during the
>Clinton administration from 1996 through 2000. Then it fell off from
>2000 to 2003 when it started climbing again reaching a peak in 2007 when
>the recession come into play.

And 2007 was the year Democrats took both houses of Congress


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TOPIC: Man, 62, dies after being left brain dead from punch in head by racist
black thug
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8c34c96306149d53?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 1:04 am
From: "Bill Steele"


When will America stop tolerating the savage behavior of blacks?
You fucking white people are cowards. You'd stand there and
watch the niggers rape your own mother and not do a thing.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/08/article-2414966-
1BAF96BE000005DC-335_634x412.jpg

A man has died after being knocked to the ground with a single
punch by a stranger in a New York City square.

Jeffrey Babbitt, 62, had been left brain damaged after being
punched in Union Square last week in an apparent racist attack.

Mr Babbitt died after allegedly being hit by Lashawn Marten, a
31-year-old African American, who reportedly said that he wanted
to attack the next white person who walked by.

The 62-year-old, the sole carer of his 92-year-old mother Hedda,
was hit so hard that he fell to the ground but later managed to
stand. His condition deteriorated soon afterwards and he died at
Bellevue Hospital.

His mother Mrs Babbitt, who the retired train conductor shared a
Brooklyn apartment with, had been at his hospital's bedside
since Wednesday.

Two other white men, aged 48 and 18, suffered minor injuries
after allegedly being attacked by Marten as they tried to help
Mr Babbitt who was lying on the ground.

Footage of the aftermath of the assault shows the victim on the
ground, with blood pouring from his head.

Marten, who has a previous criminal record and uses various
aliases, was charged with assault and is due in a Manhattan
court on Tuesday. It is likely his charges will now be upgraded.

According to one female witness last week, Marten said: 'The
next white person who walks by I'm going to f***'.

She added: 'His fist went in and the man's head bobbed and he
hit the ground and you could hear his skull hitting the ground.'

Michael Benson, who also saw that attack, told ABC Local: 'The
guy got agitated for some reason or another and he said, "The
next white person that bumps into me without saying excuse me,
I'm going to knock him out".'

After his racist rant and attack, witnesses said Marten stayed
at the park and waited for police to arrive.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said Marten's alleged comments
about targeting white people before allegedly punching Mr
Babbitt could lead to hate crime charges being made against him.

'Our Hate Crimes Task Force is involved in aspects of that
case,' he added.

Marten is being held on a $1 million bond as police decide
whether to also charge him with a hate crime.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2416446/Jeffrey-Babbit-
dies-racist-hate-attack-stranger-Union-Square-New-York.html

Comments:

The comments below have been moderated in advance.

Alfred Hill, Southhampton, 2 months ago
Let's see where Jesse and big fat Sharpton are. Oh right, no
money to be made on this one. If it were the reverse and a white
guy did that there would be a rally, march and lawsuit against
the city the next day!
57 1880 Click to rate

brianpadrickdrake, Los Angeles, United States, 2 months ago
This is what are "great society" has created. No morals or an
amoral culture. We reap what we sow, and this is the harvest,
folks. You wanted g*dlessness, well, you got it.
111 803 Click to rate

Lanie, Sunnyville, 2 months ago
That is so sad.. Why would someone do something like this? This
poor man.. I feel awful for his elderly mother.. Heart-breaking
story.. :(
5 943 Click to rate

Geva, LA, 2 months ago
I sincerely hope that this poor mans Mother will be taken care
of . If the attacker has anything of value she deserves it .
8 738 Click to rate

ash, CA, 2 months ago
So sad. Just more proof that racism goes both ways.
23 1116 Click to rate

Sophie, Philadelphia, 2 months ago
Haiti in slow motion.....
21 436 Click to rate

Liz, Washington DC, 2 months ago
Just so everyone in the UK understands - this has not been
reported in the US press. I don't understand how this is
unreported, yet Trayvon Martin's death was a national crisis.
Both are reprehensible - and both should be widely condemned...
42 1544 Click to rate

ColtRocker, South, United States, 2 months ago
Hey Obama and Eric, where is the outrage? cricket cricket
30 1212 Click to rate

Womble, Somewhere out there, United Kingdom, 2 months ago
His poor mother. I hope there is someone left to take care of
her... RIP Hope the assailant gets life in prison.
6 627 Click to rate

figaro0314, Nowhere, 2 months ago
So sad. No matter the age, no parent should ever have to bury
their child.
3






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TOPIC: Obama voter performs aerial acrobatics on high voltage tower.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a08ed9cd8d7d78d5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 1:57 am
From: "Bill Steele"


Such skill. Such grace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIn1X1maQuM

I gave him an 8 for the flips off the tower on the way down.






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TOPIC: Democrats taxed the railroads to death
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ac21797856baf3de?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 2:03 am
From: "Bill Steele"


Yes Democrats. Those Democrats who never learn from history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD8bJ0K93EQ

America was forced to subsidize railroad passenger service
because Democrats taxed them out of existence.






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TOPIC: The CIA is fucking America up the ass. They're responsible for Obama's
election.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/84bc686571456a21?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 3:29 am
From: "Demented Diane Swinestein"


The CIA decided that America needed a nigger president.

The president will be a fucking faggot. That has been decided
too.

How's it feel to know your voice and vote don't count for shit?

The U. S. military doesn't have a vote. The Obama
administration made sure of that.

How much more treason are you going to take?






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TOPIC: For The Survivalists... Apocalyptic Can Opener
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21144f8a3c868ca1?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 3:35 am
From: Gunner Asch


On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:12:01 -0800 (PST), BottleBob
<bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:09:49 PM UTC-8, BottleBob wrote:
>> All:
>>
>>
>>
>> I apologize if this has been posted before, or is common knowledge. But I just got this forward and thought I'd pass it along. I'm sure someone will actually try this and let us know if it really works as advertised.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> BottleBob
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>>
>>
>>
>> #83
>>
>> Theoretical speculations
>>
>> Biased interpretations
>>
>> Bogus evaluations
>>
>> Are all eliminated by experimentation
>
>Opps Sorry. It would help if I actually sent the forward, eh?
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH2NahLjx-Y#t=166

Yes, it does work. Asphalt works quicker btw. Or an old rough
sidewalk

Its a good $20 bet winner btw.

Gunner

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 3:48 am
From: Gunner Asch


On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 18:59:20 -0800, Larry Jaques
<ljaques@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:44:48 -0800, "azotic" <H.Beal@network.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"BottleBob" <bottlbob@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:fae453d1-09b0-4374-a7f6-5c6f5ce68aa9@googlegroups.com...
>>> All:
>>>
>>> I apologize if this has been posted before, or is common knowledge.
>>> But I just got this forward and thought I'd pass it along. I'm sure
>>> someone will actually try this and let us know if it really works as
>>> advertised.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> BottleBob
>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>>
>>
>>C.H.U.D.S. Don't need no stinken can opener.
>
>'Splain your acronym, please, Tom.
>
>And I have a P-51 on my keychain, JIC. I like it better than the tiny
>P-38 they used in WWII, y'know, for my large and manly hands.

Thats standard equpment for any survivalist, plus a couple in the
glove box, one in the wallet, one sewed to the inside of ones belt etc
etc

Sharpen the corner into a screw driver shape..it will get some screws
tight/loose. Sharpen the other corner into a blade..it will skin a
rabbit. Messy...but it works

Also micro multitools that hang nicely on ones keychain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiICjsi4G7U

I carry the Leatherman Micra and have standardized on them on all the
keychains here on the homestead. They simply work Good. Even the
tweezers.

http://www.leatherman.com/20.html




Gunner

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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 4:33 am
From: "Jim Wilkins"


"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:v5me89h42j1vp9ojt64mdn5gut7l16r14g@4ax.com...
>
> Sharpen the corner into a screw driver shape..it will get some
> screws
> tight/loose. Sharpen the other corner into a blade..it will skin a
> rabbit. Messy...but it works
>
> Gunner

I've carried a $5 copy of the Swiss Army Knife for decades:
http://swiss-army-military-knife.all-about-switzerland.info/swissarmyknives/swiss-army-knife-military-edition_1099rs.jpg
The small screwdriver on the tip of the can opener works on #2
Phillips if they aren't too tight. The tapered point is a drill bit
that makes starting holes for wood screws. Sulphuric acid doesn't
attack the stainless steel flat blade after it pops the vent caps off
a battery.

The can opener may be slower than the video showed but the knife is
easier to carry than a chunk of concrete.
jsw







== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:15 am
From: "David R. Birch"


On 11/16/2013 5:35 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH2NahLjx-Y#t=166
>
> Yes, it does work. Asphalt works quicker btw. Or an old rough
> sidewalk
>
> Its a good $20 bet winner btw.
>
> Gunner

There seems to be a cut in the video from where the concrete rubbing
starts to where he's ready to squeeze the can. How long would it take
for a small can like he shows?

I'm sure it would take quite a while for that ammo can! If I were using
a lot of the Russian spam can ammo in the field, I think I'd carry an
extra key.

David






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TOPIC: It's time to stop paying WalMart Welfare
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e27742b0ec7f43?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 4:20 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




Rudy Canoza danced again:

> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
> >>>>>> Under 16 years of age $5.87
> >>>>>> At 16 years of age $7.55
> >>>>>> At 17 years of age $9.22
> >>>>>> At 18 years of age $10.90
> >>>>>> At 19 years of age $13.17
> >>>>>> At 20 years of age $15.59.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://cafehayek.com/2013/03/australias-minimum-wage.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The minimum wage in Australia isn't what you claim.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> yes it is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The starting federal minimum wage for under 20 age group
> >>>>> in the US is $4.25
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> there seems to be a crack in your logic. The guy says "The minimum
> >>>> wage in Australia isn't what you claim."
> >>>>
> >>>> You reply "yes it is. The starting federal minimum wage for under 20
> >>>> age group in the US is $4.25"
> >>>>
> >>>> Seems like apples and apples doesn't apply to wages.
> >>>
> >>> I see you are doing the same dance.
> >>>
> >>> The question I asked is why is unemployment lower in
> >>> Australia when their minimum age is so much higher than
> >>> the minimum wage in the US.
> >>>
> >>> I see there are plenty of people who want to demonstrate
> >>> how well they can dance away from the question but nobody is
> >>> going to try to answer the question.
> >>
> >> Well, we'll never know will we?
> > .
> >
> > We do know that all you've done is dance away from
>
> No, the "question" has been addressed,

Sure, The question has been addressed only
with much dancing away from the question.

But no one can tell me why Australia has lower
unemployment even though their minimum wage is
more than double the US minimum wage.

>
> In addition, the left-wing liars who claim there is no disemployment
> effect of a minimum wage.

I have never claimed that?

Low wages also have a disemployment effect.
Consumers are ultimately the only job creators.
With lower wages comes lower spending and that
leads to even more disemployment.

Australia has a minimum wage that is more than
twice the US minimum wage and their higher wages
support more spending and jobs which is why they
have fewer of their workers looking for work.


> Why not raise it to $100 an hour?

Because the negative effects begin to outweigh the
positive effects at some point.




== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 4:44 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:35:19 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

>
> Minimum wage is a right.

Bet you can not find a cite for your statement.

Dan





== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 4:47 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:05:14 PM UTC-5, jim wrot

>
> We do know that all you've done is dance away from
>
> the question.
>
>
>
> here is the question:
>
>
>
> why is unemployment lower in Australia when their
>
> minimum age is so much higher than the minimum wage
>
> in the US.


Still not smart enough to figure it out.

Dan




== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 4:51 am
From: jon_banquer


On Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:44:12 AM UTC-8, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:35:19 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > Minimum wage is a right.
>
>
>
> Bet you can not find a cite for your statement.
>
>
>
> Dan


Don't need to find a cite.





== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:08 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




"dcaster@krl.org" wrote:
>
> On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:05:14 PM UTC-5, jim wrot
>
> >
> > We do know that all you've done is dance away from
> >
> > the question.
> >
> >
> >
> > here is the question:
> >
> >
> >
> > why is unemployment lower in Australia when their
> >
> > minimum age is so much higher than the minimum wage
> >
> > in the US.
>
> Still not smart enough to figure it out.
>

Well good for you.




== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:47 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Saturday, November 16, 2013 7:51:45 AM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

>
> Don't need to find a cite.

Only necessary if you want anyone to believe your statement.

Dan






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TOPIC: Tom Gardner still here?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7eb69fec8763bff1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 4:20 am
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"


Larry Jaques <ljaques@invalid.diversifycomm.com> fired this volley in
news:uetd89h7l9difhfh6r35702d40cf9sovrk@4ax.com:

>>Mesh size most usually refers to "wires per inch". Wires often have
>>more than zero diameter. (in case you didn't know that already)
>
> Knew the latter. <g> Thought it was openings-per-inch. Now I know.
> Thanks.

Heh! Think about it, Larry! You'll go home, have supper, think about it
some more... THEN LAUGH!

Wires-per-inch and openings-per-inch say exactly the same thing. What is
never said when MESH is specified is how big the holes are. For that,
you need to go to the specs on a particular screen... see the wire size.
Usually, they calculate the opening size for you, too, but if not, its
just simple arithmetic; invert the mesh and subtract the wire size from
that.

There are several 'standards' concerning how thick the wires should be
(bolting, milling, etc.), but it boils down to getting the specs, to make
sure.

Then there is "space cloth", where not the wires or openings per inch are
specified, but the actual sizes of the holes.

Fortunately or unfortunately - depending on how you look at it - we build
machines from the ground up to do things with explosive substances nobody
has ever built one for, before. So sometimes we bump up against limits
in the industry's general experience with how certain tools or machines
behave in these applications. We do a lot of scouring of other
industries' experience, too, but still often come up goose-egg.

Lloyd


Lloyd




== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 4:43 am
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"


"Bob La Londe" <none@none.com99> fired this volley in news:l66opn$c3b$1
@dont-email.me:

>
> I hear ya Lloyd, but I've seen you not answer the question asked once
or
> twice two. LOL.
>
> Frustratin' idden' it?

No... I was just trying to educate Larry on what we'd already done, and
already know. If I took exception to anything, it was just that we might
not be thoughtful enough to consider the potential for loose bristles
getting into the product stream. Stuff like that is what we get paid
for.

Tom hasn't answered yet; neither 'to' nor 'not to' the point.


LLoyd







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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:02 am
From: "David R. Birch"


On 11/11/2013 12:09 AM, John B. wrote:

> The prevailing argument seems to be that guns allow one to kill
> someone with out much effort. With a baseball bat you has to run the
> guy down and belabor him over the head and get blood splashed on your
> coat. Takes some effort.

The ease of use also makes it easier for a small person to defend
themselves from a larger one. Or several larger ones. That is the
primary purpose of a gun.
>
> With a gun it is just a twitch of the finger and Blam, the guy is
> gone. (At least that is the way it is on the TV).

Not much useful about guns to be learned from TV.

> But in Modern America I can't see how that is such a bad thing, after
> all y'all can't seem to wash dishes or even get out of the chair to
> change channels on the TV. Why should making it easy for murders be
> such a big deal?

Since most use of guns is NOT for murder, it isn't a big deal.

David





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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:19 am
From: "David R. Birch"


On 11/15/2013 10:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

> The dozen or so actual Liberators Ive handled all came from that
> region and several had a number of body count scratches on the barrel.
>
> One had 11 IRRC. One for each Jap shot with it by its owner, before
> he handed it off to the guy behind him and scooped up his newly
> aquired Arisaka, Nambu and ammo (and the odd sword or three)
>
> Gunner

IIRC, service life of that pistol was only expected to be about 150
rounds. I read a test of the modern version made a few years ago and it
didn't get nearly that far.

David






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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:21 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:16:27 AM UTC-5, Tom Gardner wrote:

>
> I never heard of that, where can I learn more? We STILL don't know
>
> about the road, it could miss us by feet, ODOT won't tell us.

I do not know where you can find more information. You might find some info on welding sites talking about using a welder on the lowest amp setting to thaw out pipes. You can find out about rewinding microwave oven transformers on the internet. Using current to warm the pipes works well where you can not get to the pipes. You only need a couple of turns on the MWO transformer secondary.

If you can get to the pipes you can use heat cables but they are not super cheap. They consist of two wires with a semiconductor material between them and look kind of like 300 ohm twin lead. At room temperature the semiconductor material has high resistance so very little power in consumed. But at about 40 F the semiconductor material has lower resistance and so warms the tape and whatever it is in contact with.

Dan









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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:50 am
From: Uncle Steve


On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:55:57AM -0700, Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
> In article <l86e89l8ijqna7dbi10ht7fctnp95q3mee@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Liberals want everyone to think.
> Conservatives don't.

Idiot. Conservatives want everyone to obey without thinking.
Liberals want everyone to 'feel' and 'emote' without thinking.


Regards,

Uncle Steve

--
Innumerate poets
Expressing ideas poorly
They cry, it is art






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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 6:01 am
From: Ignoramus26083


I have a military M923 truck that I want to sell soon. This truck has
a heavy vinyl "soft top" for the cab, which is supposed to be attached
to a C shaped rubbery plastic strip that is used to hook it up to the
cab.

I have both the top and the strip. At some point, they were sewn
together, but the seam came apart. This is unsightly. I want to find
some shop that can sew such thick and hard stuff together.

Does someone know what sort of business I should look for in yellow
pages. I tried some searches and did not come up with much.

i




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