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Today's topics:

* It's time to stop paying WalMart Welfare - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e27742b0ec7f43?hl=en
* Thermostat set back and other energy savings - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f4607bbef63d250f?hl=en
* When Did Christian Values Change From 'Love Thy Neighbor' to 'Fuck Off and
Die'? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5a707d69dc51746e?hl=en
* For The Survivalists... Apocalyptic Can Opener - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21144f8a3c868ca1?hl=en
* Fabricating 3-D weapons has come a long way - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/968637bccba46e88?hl=en
* Thermostat set-back - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/06857df984d7bae1?hl=en
* Can a Asch be killed but NOT be married? - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d2b624b4ab616239?hl=en
* Heavy duty sewing shops? - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d3a5b35354cbb8f8?hl=en
* Do You Believe Obama This Time? How About Now? …Now? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f69b8420ab34ecef?hl=en
* Tom Gardner still here? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7eb69fec8763bff1?hl=en
* Wanted for Treason Flyer - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/72907b45a8635650?hl=en
* Democrats taxed the railroads to death - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ac21797856baf3de?hl=en
* "Adolph Hitler, A Man Of The Left"-- Title Of Chapter 2 of Jonah Goldberg's
Book, "Liberal Fascism" - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/de20af6330da0207?hl=en
* The rich pay less taxes - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60e3bc56d2438bd8?hl=en

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TOPIC: It's time to stop paying WalMart Welfare
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/48e27742b0ec7f43?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 4:47 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:05:14 PM UTC-5, jim wrot

>
> We do know that all you've done is dance away from
>
> the question.
>
>
>
> here is the question:
>
>
>
> why is unemployment lower in Australia when their
>
> minimum age is so much higher than the minimum wage
>
> in the US.


Still not smart enough to figure it out.

Dan




== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 4:51 am
From: jon_banquer


On Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:44:12 AM UTC-8, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:35:19 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > Minimum wage is a right.
>
>
>
> Bet you can not find a cite for your statement.
>
>
>
> Dan


Don't need to find a cite.





== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:08 am
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt.net>




"dcaster@krl.org" wrote:
>
> On Friday, November 15, 2013 8:05:14 PM UTC-5, jim wrot
>
> >
> > We do know that all you've done is dance away from
> >
> > the question.
> >
> >
> >
> > here is the question:
> >
> >
> >
> > why is unemployment lower in Australia when their
> >
> > minimum age is so much higher than the minimum wage
> >
> > in the US.
>
> Still not smart enough to figure it out.
>

Well good for you.




== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:47 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Saturday, November 16, 2013 7:51:45 AM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:

>
> Don't need to find a cite.

Only necessary if you want anyone to believe your statement.

Dan






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TOPIC: Thermostat set back and other energy savings
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f4607bbef63d250f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 4:54 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:29:44 AM UTC-5, Tom Gardner wrote:
> We're setting the six thermostats back to 45 deg. at 4:30 closing time
>
Thanks for all the ideas!

One more idea. Set the thermostats back to 45 deg at about 4 O'clock. It will take a little while for the building to cool down enough to be noticeable.

Dan






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TOPIC: When Did Christian Values Change From 'Love Thy Neighbor' to 'Fuck Off
and Die'?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5a707d69dc51746e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:02 am
From: "David R. Birch"


On 11/11/2013 12:09 AM, John B. wrote:

> The prevailing argument seems to be that guns allow one to kill
> someone with out much effort. With a baseball bat you has to run the
> guy down and belabor him over the head and get blood splashed on your
> coat. Takes some effort.

The ease of use also makes it easier for a small person to defend
themselves from a larger one. Or several larger ones. That is the
primary purpose of a gun.
>
> With a gun it is just a twitch of the finger and Blam, the guy is
> gone. (At least that is the way it is on the TV).

Not much useful about guns to be learned from TV.

> But in Modern America I can't see how that is such a bad thing, after
> all y'all can't seem to wash dishes or even get out of the chair to
> change channels on the TV. Why should making it easy for murders be
> such a big deal?

Since most use of guns is NOT for murder, it isn't a big deal.

David





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TOPIC: For The Survivalists... Apocalyptic Can Opener
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21144f8a3c868ca1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:15 am
From: "David R. Birch"


On 11/16/2013 5:35 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH2NahLjx-Y#t=166
>
> Yes, it does work. Asphalt works quicker btw. Or an old rough
> sidewalk
>
> Its a good $20 bet winner btw.
>
> Gunner

There seems to be a cut in the video from where the concrete rubbing
starts to where he's ready to squeeze the can. How long would it take
for a small can like he shows?

I'm sure it would take quite a while for that ammo can! If I were using
a lot of the Russian spam can ammo in the field, I think I'd carry an
extra key.

David





== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 7:21 am
From: PCS


On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:20:38 AM UTC-5, BottleBob wrote:
> On Friday, November 15, 2013 5:50:05 AM UTC-8, PCS wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Say BB,
>
> >
>
> > Still using that chin-up bar from Kris?
>
>
>
> Paul:
>
>
>
> Why, yes I am. Got up to 44 Dips in one set yesterday with the Dip bar attachment. Plus cranked out 480 V's (sort of arm assisted deep knee bends off the bar), for cardio. Managed 20 Chinups on the first set the day before. So his Holobarre is getting plenty of use over here. :)
>
>
>
>
>
> > Do you know what the heck ever happened to him?
>
>
>
> We had a little spat a couple of months ago, and shortly thereafter he seems to have withdrawn from all public contact.
>
>

Thanks for the reply Bob.

Not just all idle curiosity on my part.

I too used to correspond with him on a semi-regular basis.
That was until he went over the edge, IMO, with some pretty insane jihads on AMC.

I stopped communicating in disgust at what seemed to be a huge waste of time and talent.

He did earn some renewed respect when he seemed to be getting his act together and making a real go at his "folly". That was last March when he announced he'd bought that big-assed Haas router.

I was however genuinely worried after he shoehorned that GR510 into his basement. I didn't think he knew how far in over his head he was getting with that. At the time I thought he must be taking his business advice from BottleBob ;-).

So anyway, here's hoping he's just busy in his basement, sloshing about in his bunny slippers, and having a ball.

Somehow though I doubt it.
He never had that kind of luck.

--
PaulS










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TOPIC: Fabricating 3-D weapons has come a long way
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/968637bccba46e88?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:19 am
From: "David R. Birch"


On 11/15/2013 10:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

> The dozen or so actual Liberators Ive handled all came from that
> region and several had a number of body count scratches on the barrel.
>
> One had 11 IRRC. One for each Jap shot with it by its owner, before
> he handed it off to the guy behind him and scooped up his newly
> aquired Arisaka, Nambu and ammo (and the odd sword or three)
>
> Gunner

IIRC, service life of that pistol was only expected to be about 150
rounds. I read a test of the modern version made a few years ago and it
didn't get nearly that far.

David






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TOPIC: Thermostat set-back
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/06857df984d7bae1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:21 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"


On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:16:27 AM UTC-5, Tom Gardner wrote:

>
> I never heard of that, where can I learn more? We STILL don't know
>
> about the road, it could miss us by feet, ODOT won't tell us.

I do not know where you can find more information. You might find some info on welding sites talking about using a welder on the lowest amp setting to thaw out pipes. You can find out about rewinding microwave oven transformers on the internet. Using current to warm the pipes works well where you can not get to the pipes. You only need a couple of turns on the MWO transformer secondary.

If you can get to the pipes you can use heat cables but they are not super cheap. They consist of two wires with a semiconductor material between them and look kind of like 300 ohm twin lead. At room temperature the semiconductor material has high resistance so very little power in consumed. But at about 40 F the semiconductor material has lower resistance and so warms the tape and whatever it is in contact with.

Dan









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TOPIC: Can a Asch be killed but NOT be married?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d2b624b4ab616239?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 5:50 am
From: Uncle Steve


On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:55:57AM -0700, Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
> In article <l86e89l8ijqna7dbi10ht7fctnp95q3mee@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Liberals want everyone to think.
> Conservatives don't.

Idiot. Conservatives want everyone to obey without thinking.
Liberals want everyone to 'feel' and 'emote' without thinking.


Regards,

Uncle Steve

--
Innumerate poets
Expressing ideas poorly
They cry, it is art





== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 6:02 am
From: Don Kresch


On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 23:08:40 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:38:36 -0600, Don Kresch
><spamcatch@spamcatch.org> wrote:
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And laws do not require a government.
>>>>>
>>>>>Enforcement of those laws certainly do.
>>>>
>>>> No, it does not.
>>>
>>>So Donnie....when I..
>>
>> Why do I keep thinking that repeating a red herring/strawman
>>will somehow magically make it not fallacious?
>
>Because you are mentally ill?

No such thing as mental illness. And thanks for thinking that
repeating a red herring/strawman will somehow magically make it not
fallacious. It shows that you are incapable of rational thought on
this subject.


Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.




== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 8:33 am
From: "Dr. Bill Zarhigh"


On 11/15/2013 11:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:34:27 -0800, "Dr. Bill Zarhigh"
> <rubbinggummersnoseinit@taft.con> wrote:
>
>> On 11/13/2013 10:22 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:03:56 -0600, Don Kresch
>>> <spamcatch@spamcatch.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 23:27:19 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:03:07 -0600, Don Kresch
>>>>> <spamcatch@spamcatch.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:30:24 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:57:37 -0600, Don Kresch
>>>>>>> <spamcatch@spamcatch.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:01:33 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:54:01 -0600, Don Kresch
>>>>>>>>> <spamcatch@spamcatch.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:57:39 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>>>>>>>>>> <ThenDestroyEveryThing@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/11/2013 8:39 PM, Don Kresch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:45:13 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ThenDestroyEveryThing@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:07:32 -0600, Don Kresch <spamcatch@spamcatch.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:07:40 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ThenDestroyEveryThing@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/11/2013 1:11 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <DwZfu.137629$4q1.69586@en-nntp-12.dc1.easynews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestroyEveryThing@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2013 5:51 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <CKMfu.14390$as5.10845@en-nntp-14.dc1.easynews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestroyEveryThing@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/2013 7:24 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <DQrfu.27567$9X3.15003@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestroyEveryThing@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2013 10:28 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <826e49a53a8d3d31fdedb007bde3b177@dizum.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Keith Miller" <kmiller@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/10/pedophilia-sexual-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orientation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People can classify themselves as heterosexual, homosexual,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asexual, metrosexual. There are endless sexual orientations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the sun, and now, pedophilia can be added to the list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pedophilia is still illegal and will remain illegal. So who cares how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's classified?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget Necrophiliacs.... they are an orientation, and they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their live partners lay in a tub full of ice water and become very still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they can't find a dead partner or they kill someone so they can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestiality?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can dead people give legal informed consent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's in a Last Will and Testament. They also don't need to consent if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they aren't a person and check your liberal view of what a baby in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uterus is, you KILL them and certainly Marriage to a corps is far less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destructive and violent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Huh? Care to translate that word salad into English.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can a Fetus be killed but NOT be married?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since a fetus isn't a consenting adult, how could it be married?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It violates our rights if you limit marriage to consenting adults.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if it violates MY rights and YOUR rights when government limits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marriage to a Man and woman? Won't it also or still "violate my rights"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you limit marriage to only heterosexuals and gays?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why one and NOT the other? If I have a right to marry another man why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT a right to marry anything else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You've been told this before, but somehow you ignore it. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "consent", and I'd LOVE to see you show that, say, a fetus can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consent. Do it. I fucking DARE you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I sign contracts to become liable and partnered with things like a car
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and licensed to it, or even a gun when you get one and are liable for it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and linked to it(closer than the laws links you to your Spouse).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's nice, but doesn't show that a fetus can consent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And why do you keep bringing up "liberals"? That's a red
>>>>>>>>>>>> herring with me, given that I'm an ANARCHIST.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You Anarchists don't run the country, Liberals have been.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's nice, but again: has nothing to do with me. So bringing
>>>>>>>>>> up what "liberals" have done when you post to me is really a red
>>>>>>>>>> herring.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're more akin to Liberals and the chaos they create with their
>>>>>>>>>>> illogical interpretations of the Constitution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, you and the "liberals" are the enemy to me. You are both
>>>>>>>>>> socialists (statists). All government is socialist. You want there to
>>>>>>>>>> be a government. Therefore, you want there to be socialism.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You are more likely to
>>>>>>>>>>> vote for Obama than for Romney.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Voting is immoral.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama is creating chaos, you want chaos.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, chaos is what you get with government. Anarchy is natural
>>>>>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you dont have a problem with a larger individual crushing your
>>>>>>>>> skull with a baseball bat and taking your car?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Huh? Where did that bit of stupidity come from?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your an anarchist. Its implicit. No rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. That's not what it means. It means no chiefs/rulers, not
>>>>>> no rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And laws do not require a government.
>>>>>
>>>>> Enforcement of those laws certainly do.
>>>>
>>>> No, it does not.
>>>
>>> So Donnie....when I..a big old ugly redneck too hideous for words,
>>> decides I want your house, your ride, and your old lady..but not you
>>> and the kids...whats to stop me from simply bashing in their skulls
>>> ...and yours with a large hammer and tossing your carcasses out in the
>>> front lawn for the crows to feed on?
>>
>> Government doesn't stop that today, gummer.
>
>
> Sure it does. Most of it.

No. Government isn't what does that.


> Now...will you and yours be next?

No - no "list".





== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 8:34 am
From: "Dr. Bill Zarhigh"


On 11/15/2013 11:06 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:24:18 -0800, "Dr. Bill Zarhigh"
> <rubbinggummersnoseinit@taft.con> wrote:
>
>> On 11/13/2013 9:19 PM, Olrik wrote:
>>> Le 2013-11-14 00:15, Dr. Bill Zarhigh a écrit :
>>>> On 11/13/2013 9:13 PM, Olrik wrote:
>>>>> Le 2013-11-14 00:09, Dr. Bill Zarhigh a écrit :
>>>>>> On 11/13/2013 8:41 PM, Olrik wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 2013-11-13 14:34, Dr. Bill Zarhigh a écrit :
>>>>>>>> On 11/13/2013 10:22 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:03:56 -0600, Don Kresch
>>>>>>>>> <spamcatch@spamcatch.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 23:27:19 -0800, Gunner Asch
>>>>>>>>>> <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:03:07 -0600, Don Kresch
>>>>>>>>>>> <spamcatch@spamcatch.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:30:24 -0800, Gunner Asch
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:57:37 -0600, Don Kresch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <spamcatch@spamcatch.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:01:33 -0800, Gunner Asch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:54:01 -0600, Don Kresch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <spamcatch@spamcatch.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:57:39 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ThenDestroyEveryThing@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/11/2013 8:39 PM, Don Kresch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:45:13 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ThenDestroyEveryThing@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:07:32 -0600, Don Kresch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <spamcatch@spamcatch.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:07:40 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ThenDestroyEveryThing@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/11/2013 1:11 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <DwZfu.137629$4q1.69586@en-nntp-12.dc1.easynews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeamMeUpScotty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ThenDestroyEveryThing@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2013 5:51 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CKMfu.14390$as5.10845@en-nntp-14.dc1.easynews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeamMeUpScotty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ThenDestroyEveryThing@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/2013 7:24 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <DQrfu.27567$9X3.15003@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BeamMeUpScotty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ThenDestroyEveryThing@Blackhole.nebulx.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2013 10:28 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <826e49a53a8d3d31fdedb007bde3b177@dizum.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Keith Miller" <kmiller@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/10/pedophilia-sexual-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orientation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People can classify themselves as heterosexual,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexual,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asexual, metrosexual. There are endless sexual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orientations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the sun, and now, pedophilia can be added
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pedophilia is still illegal and will remain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegal. So who cares how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's classified?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget Necrophiliacs.... they are an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orientation, and they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their live partners lay in a tub full of ice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and become very still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they can't find a dead partner or they kill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone so they can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bestiality?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can dead people give legal informed consent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's in a Last Will and Testament. They also don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to consent if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they aren't a person and check your liberal view of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what a baby in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uterus is, you KILL them and certainly Marriage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corps is far less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destructive and violent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Huh? Care to translate that word salad into English.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can a Fetus be killed but NOT be married?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since a fetus isn't a consenting adult, how could it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be married?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It violates our rights if you limit marriage to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consenting adults.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if it violates MY rights and YOUR rights when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government limits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marriage to a Man and woman? Won't it also or still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "violate my rights"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you limit marriage to only heterosexuals and gays?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why one and NOT the other? If I have a right to marry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another man why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT a right to marry anything else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You've been told this before, but somehow you ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "consent", and I'd LOVE to see you show that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fetus can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consent. Do it. I fucking DARE you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I sign contracts to become liable and partnered with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and licensed to it, or even a gun when you get one and are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liable for it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and linked to it(closer than the laws links you to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spouse).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's nice, but doesn't show that a fetus can consent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And why do you keep bringing up "liberals"? That's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> red
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herring with me, given that I'm an ANARCHIST.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You Anarchists don't run the country, Liberals have been.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's nice, but again: has nothing to do with me. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up what "liberals" have done when you post to me is really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> red
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herring.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're more akin to Liberals and the chaos they create with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illogical interpretations of the Constitution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you and the "liberals" are the enemy to me. You are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> socialists (statists). All government is socialist. You want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a government. Therefore, you want there to be socialism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are more likely to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote for Obama than for Romney.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voting is immoral.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama is creating chaos, you want chaos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, chaos is what you get with government. Anarchy is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you dont have a problem with a larger individual crushing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skull with a baseball bat and taking your car?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Huh? Where did that bit of stupidity come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your an anarchist. Its implicit. No rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope. That's not what it means. It means no chiefs/rulers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> no rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And laws do not require a government.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Enforcement of those laws certainly do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, it does not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So Donnie....when I..a big old ugly redneck too hideous for words,
>>>>>>>>> decides I want your house, your ride, and your old lady..but not
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> and the kids...whats to stop me from simply bashing in their skulls
>>>>>>>>> ...and yours with a large hammer and tossing your carcasses out in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> front lawn for the crows to feed on?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Government doesn't stop that today, gummer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello, new Idiot-of-the-Week Bill!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing can't stop that, but in «Kresch» scenario, there's no
>>>>>>> consequences, as there's no enforcement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There can be enforcement without government.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course. But there also can be no consequences.
>>>>
>>>> False.
>>>
>>> There are no consequences if there's no enforcement,
>>
>> There can be enforcement without government.
>
> The moment a group becomes the enforcers..they become the government.

False.






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TOPIC: Heavy duty sewing shops?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d3a5b35354cbb8f8?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 6:01 am
From: Ignoramus26083


I have a military M923 truck that I want to sell soon. This truck has
a heavy vinyl "soft top" for the cab, which is supposed to be attached
to a C shaped rubbery plastic strip that is used to hook it up to the
cab.

I have both the top and the strip. At some point, they were sewn
together, but the seam came apart. This is unsightly. I want to find
some shop that can sew such thick and hard stuff together.

Does someone know what sort of business I should look for in yellow
pages. I tried some searches and did not come up with much.

i




== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 6:29 am
From: BobH


On 11/16/2013 7:01 AM, Ignoramus26083 wrote:
> I have both the top and the strip. At some point, they were sewn
> together, but the seam came apart. This is unsightly. I want to find
> some shop that can sew such thick and hard stuff together.
>
> Does someone know what sort of business I should look for in yellow
> pages. I tried some searches and did not come up with much.

Try looking for places that make awnings or tents. Another place would
be automotive upholstery shops.

BobH





== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 6:42 am
From: "Steve W."


Ignoramus26083 wrote:
> I have a military M923 truck that I want to sell soon. This truck has
> a heavy vinyl "soft top" for the cab, which is supposed to be attached
> to a C shaped rubbery plastic strip that is used to hook it up to the
> cab.
>
> I have both the top and the strip. At some point, they were sewn
> together, but the seam came apart. This is unsightly. I want to find
> some shop that can sew such thick and hard stuff together.
>
> Does someone know what sort of business I should look for in yellow
> pages. I tried some searches and did not come up with much.
>
> i

Look for a place that does boat canvas or tent making. Also auto
upholstery or leather work.

--
Steve W.




== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 6:44 am
From: BQ340


On 11/16/2013 9:01 AM, Ignoramus26083 wrote:
> I have a military M923 truck that I want to sell soon. This truck has
> a heavy vinyl "soft top" for the cab, which is supposed to be attached
> to a C shaped rubbery plastic strip that is used to hook it up to the
> cab.
>
> I have both the top and the strip. At some point, they were sewn
> together, but the seam came apart. This is unsightly. I want to find
> some shop that can sew such thick and hard stuff together.
>
> Does someone know what sort of business I should look for in yellow
> pages. I tried some searches and did not come up with much.
>
> i
>

Do you have a local canvas shop or a shoe repair shop?



MikeB

--
Email is valid





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TOPIC: Do You Believe Obama This Time? How About Now? …Now?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f69b8420ab34ecef?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 6:06 am
From: Frank


> http://blog.heritage.org/2013/11/15/believe-obama-time-now-now/
>
> Obama is an ignorant piece of crap. Nothing but mouth and ego.
> His stupidity will cost the Democrats for years.
>

Three cheers for Obama.
He is a Conservative in disguise.
None of us could have done the damage to Liberalism that he has wrought.






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TOPIC: Tom Gardner still here?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7eb69fec8763bff1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 6:44 am
From: Larry Jaques


On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 06:20:57 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

>Larry Jaques <ljaques@invalid.diversifycomm.com> fired this volley in
>news:uetd89h7l9difhfh6r35702d40cf9sovrk@4ax.com:
>
>>>Mesh size most usually refers to "wires per inch". Wires often have
>>>more than zero diameter. (in case you didn't know that already)
>>
>> Knew the latter. <g> Thought it was openings-per-inch. Now I know.
>> Thanks.
>
>Heh! Think about it, Larry! You'll go home, have supper, think about it
>some more... THEN LAUGH!

You're exactly right. <g> The finer the wire, the larger the
openings.


>Wires-per-inch and openings-per-inch say exactly the same thing. What is
>never said when MESH is specified is how big the holes are. For that,
>you need to go to the specs on a particular screen... see the wire size.
>Usually, they calculate the opening size for you, too, but if not, its
>just simple arithmetic; invert the mesh and subtract the wire size from
>that.

That's a problem when some rebel comes out with a "heavy duty"
version. Then there's the metric v. Imperial measurement variance.


>There are several 'standards' concerning how thick the wires should be
>(bolting, milling, etc.), but it boils down to getting the specs, to make
>sure.

I guess your own standard has to be set and told in the product
manual, doesn't it?


>Then there is "space cloth", where not the wires or openings per inch are
>specified, but the actual sizes of the holes.

_That_ is the only one which truly makes sense.


>Fortunately or unfortunately - depending on how you look at it - we build
>machines from the ground up to do things with explosive substances nobody

You are so lucky you never grew up. <wink> Most of us boys have to
grow up and away from our explosive childhoods. I remember once when
my mother came running into my room, asking if I was OK. I had been
seated in front of my chemistry set playing with calcium carbide in a
Clorox bottle, and when I came to the end of squeezing it, the flame
decided to go back inside the bottle. The resultant explosion was a
bit smoky and loud, and it blew me onto my back. I was lying on the
floor in a smoky room laughing (out loud) at my stupidity when Mom
came in. Needless to say, I had a healthy new respect for carbide and
I got to thing about it for a month while my chem set was off limits.


>has ever built one for, before. So sometimes we bump up against limits
>in the industry's general experience with how certain tools or machines
>behave in these applications. We do a lot of scouring of other
>industries' experience, too, but still often come up goose-egg.

Do you have to buy various products to see if they meet your specs in
the machines, too, or is precision of screening less important? I
would think it to be fairly important for the consistency of your
compound(s).

One question came to mind when you described the machine. How do you
let in new material to screen? Is the brush lifted periodically so
more can flow under it, or does it just rush in from the side, or are
the clusters of bristles wide enough to allow material in between
them, or what?

--
We are always the same age inside.
-- Gertrude Stein





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TOPIC: Wanted for Treason Flyer
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/72907b45a8635650?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 6:44 am
From: Klaus Schadenfreude


On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 23:23:30 +0100 (CET), "Bill Steele"
<ws21-4079F1.15415511112013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net> wrote:

>http://www.jfk.org/go/collections/item-
>detail?fedoraid=sfm:1999.023.0017
>
>Interesting how most of the transgressions on this poster for
>JFK,
>
>are the exact same complaints about Barack Hussein Obama.
>
>Will history repeat itself?

Yep, the same nutcases back then have reproduced and their children
are using the same arguments today.

Amazing.






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TOPIC: Democrats taxed the railroads to death
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ac21797856baf3de?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 6:44 am
From: Fred Hababorbitz


On Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:03:06 AM UTC-6, Bill Steele wrote:
> Yes Democrats. Those Democrats who never learn from history.
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD8bJ0K93EQ
>
>
>
> America was forced to subsidize railroad passenger service
>
> because Democrats taxed them out of existence.

It was Dwight D. Eisenhower (a republican) that killed the railroads with interstate highways. This seemed like a good idea at the time, but the failure was to build government (tax payer) subsidized rail along side of the interstate system. If you think Amtrak is expensive, just think what this would cost.





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TOPIC: "Adolph Hitler, A Man Of The Left"-- Title Of Chapter 2 of Jonah
Goldberg's Book, "Liberal Fascism"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/de20af6330da0207?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 7:07 am
From: "Sid9"



"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
news:c9978$5283de9f$414e828e$11888@EVERESTKC.NET...
> On 11/13/2013 8:38 AM, John McCluskey wrote:
>> In article <l5v881$46a$1@dont-email.me>
>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@block.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/10/2013 10:21 AM, Lucretius wrote:
>>>> In this chapter Goldberg writes: "If we put aside for the moment the
>>>> question of whether Hitlerism was a phenomenon of the right, what is
>>>> indisputable is that Hitler was in no way a conservative--a point
>>>> scholars careful with their words always underscore. Certainly to
>>>> suggest Hitler was a conservative in any sense related to American
>>>> conservatism is lunacy.
>>>
>>> I agree with that. Hitler was right wing, but that isn't the same as
>>> being a conservative.
>>
>> In other words, American liberalism is the same as Hitlerism.
>
> No. Nazism was right-wing. Goldberg overstates his position.
>

What's with all the definitions?
Hitler was a murdering piece of shit that caused the deaths of an estimate
60 million human beings





== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 7:26 am
From: John Lott III


After serious thinking Sid9 wrote :
> What's with all the definitions?
> Hitler was a murdering piece of shit that caused the deaths of an estimate 60
> million human beings

The logic of history is clear.

Hitler was in the military and liked Guns. He even used one on his
Dog and then himself to end his big fascist party!

George Bush pretended to be that way. Despite how he stopped being a
member of the NRA and was really only in a Champange regiment to avoid
the Vietnam war.

Obama? Not the same.

He doesn't like guns, never claimed to be in the military.

Unlike Hitler or Bush.






== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 7:37 am
From: "David R. Birch"


On 11/16/2013 9:07 AM, Sid9 wrote:
.
> What's with all the definitions?
> Hitler was a murdering piece of shit that caused the deaths of an
> estimate 60 million human beings

More like 20 million, but either number leaves him behind Stalin and Mao.

David






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TOPIC: The rich pay less taxes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60e3bc56d2438bd8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 16 2013 7:17 am
From: Dhu on Gate


On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:27:35 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:

> On 11/15/2013 4:24 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:06:39 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/14/2013 7:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>>> news:l63unj$i1b$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the federal government gets more than God, does that mean that
>>>>> the Federal government more powerful than God, or are they simply over
>>>>> paid?
>>>>>
>>>> With government we give to ourselves.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. Government agents, favoring one class of citizens - the
>>> unproductive parasite class - seize value from another class - the
>>> producers - and give it to the parasites. That's not "giving to
>>> ourselves" - *I* am not getting any benefit out of the "transaction."
>>>
>>> There is no ethically valid rationale for government agents to take
>>> value, by threat of force, from productive people in order to it to
>>> deadbeats.
>>
>> Dood, this is a Consumer Society: production is a matter of permission
>
> No.

baltch.

Dhu



--
Ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco.




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