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TOPIC: OT: Guns Save Lives -- Again!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/55aad5dba11805d9?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 6:59 am
From: John Fields

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:39:42 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah>
wrote:

>
>
>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:62e4a451-9c8b-4d73-82ac-8961f79b70a6@d2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 14, 4:16 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Beryl wrote:
>>>
>>> > krw wrote:
>>> > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:21:11 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > >> Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:
>>> > >>> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Br...@nationalgunrights.org>
>>>
>>> > >>> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. If
>>> > >>> you
>>> > >>> do, please forward it to your friends.
>>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > >> 3 dead, 3 hurt in Alabama campus shooting
>>> > >> <http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-12-alabama-university-sho...>
>>> > >> Woman faculty member denied tenure at University of Alabama's
>>> > >> Huntsville
>>> > >> campus, kills three biology professors and injures three other
>>> > >> employees
>>> > >> at the school Friday.
>>> > >> It's the second shooting in a week on an area campus. Last Friday, a
>>> > >> 14-year-old student was killed in a middle school hallway in nearby
>>> > >> Madison, allegedly by a fellow student.
>>>
>>> > >> But, gee Rich, if the lady hadn't lost her temper this Friday, she
>>> > >> might
>>> > >> have been able to thwart a crime somewhere next Friday. And that
>>> > >> middle
>>> > >> school kid, he definitely could have thwarted a crime somwehere last
>>> > >> Thursday if he was in the right place at the right time, but he
>>> > >> wasn't,
>>> > >> so he killed a student on Friday instead.
>>>
>>> > > Carrying on an Alabama campus (UAH) is illegal. Seems the perp, as
>>> > > usual, didn't much care about the law but it did mean that the
>>> > > victims couldn't defend themselves.
>>>
>>> > One day's "victim" can be another day's perp. People snap.
>>>
>>> According to several news stories it isn't the first time she killed
>>> someone. She was a suspect when her brother was killed, but the entire
>>> file about her and that crime are missing.
>>>
>>> BTW, i'm surprised she didn't get tenure. She's violent & insane,
>>> after all.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Greed is the root of all eBay.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> And yet you don't find it surprising that being violent and insane she
>> was able to own a gun.
>>
>> TMT
>
>That's probably why she got one the lib way, illegally. The cops say she had
>no permit. Leave it to libs to steal guns and then point them in the wrong
>direction.

---
"Steal guns?"

And who would she have stolen it from?

That's total nonsense.

You quote no statistics which prove your point so, in the same vein, I
could argue that most "libs" who've gone over the edge buy guns in order
to off themselves or, if they can't quite bring themselves to make that
happen, to die by cop.

But I'm a little confused with the meaning of "libs" in the context you
present...

Are you referring to "liberals", in the political sense, or "libbers" in
the sense of deranged women who use their gender in order to carry out
their nefarious deeds?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:29 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:42:48 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus12951
<ignoramus12951@NOSPAM.12951.invalid> scrawled the following:

>On 2010-02-16, Beryl <fourl@road.net> wrote:
>> Ignoramus16496 wrote:
>>> Most people who "go postal" and murder their colleagues, are not
>>> previously described as obviosly deranged. Psychological screening,
>>> constrained by a multitude of complicated legal issues, would never be
>>> able to identify such people. It is a legal and practical
>>> impossibility promoted by gun haters.
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> Psychological screening has identified a class of people who shouldn't
>> be trusted with guns. You won't like what was found.
>
>Why easily startled people should not be trusted with guns?
>
>You seem to be making giant leaps of logic, probably trying to pull my
>leg.
>
>The referenced "study" involved 46 people, hardly enough to come to
>any conclusions.

46 people from Nebraska isn't a crosssection of Americans or humans.
Good news: the Nebraska AG office just notified me that they've
finally gotten the money that's owed me from the Nebraska property
mgmt firm who jilted me. The last $109 is on its way now. Invoice:
$270, their first check: $18.20. I was -startled-, I was. <bseg>

That Righties are more startled may be because they're more alert, and
actually -noticed- what was happening around them. ;)

>> Easily Startled People May Be More Politically Conservative
>><http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,424864,00.html>
>>
>> Right-wingers more startled by sudden noises and spiders than liberals,
>> study finds
>><http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057909/Right-wingers-startled-sudden-noises-spiders-liberals-study-finds.html>
>>
>> The physiology of personal politics
>><http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2008/09/the_physiology_of_personal_pol.html>

Please don't feed the Beryl troll.

--
It's a great life...once you weaken.
--author James Hogan

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:49 am
From: Don Foreman

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:58:29 -0800, Beryl <fourl@road.net> wrote:

>Don Foreman wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:29:39 -0800, Beryl <fourl@road.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ignoramus16496 wrote:
>>>> Most people who "go postal" and murder their colleagues, are not
>>>> previously described as obviosly deranged. Psychological screening,
>>>> constrained by a multitude of complicated legal issues, would never be
>>>> able to identify such people. It is a legal and practical
>>>> impossibility promoted by gun haters.
>>>>
>>>> i
>>> Psychological screening has identified a class of people who shouldn't
>>> be trusted with guns. You won't like what was found.
>>>
>>> Easily Startled People May Be More Politically Conservative
>>> <http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,424864,00.html>
>>>
>>> Right-wingers more startled by sudden noises and spiders than liberals,
>>> study finds
>>> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057909/Right-wingers-startled-sudden-noises-spiders-liberals-study-finds.html>
>>>
>>> The physiology of personal politics
>>> <http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2008/09/the_physiology_of_personal_pol.html>
>>
>> This should not be surprising. Those inclined to take responsibility
>> for their own wellbeing react more strongly to threats than those who
>> would rely on the government for their wellbeing.
>
>I think you're saying that conservatives react more emotionally.

Not surprising that you'd think that, but that isn't what I said. A
senseless idiot does not react to stimuli in her environment. Life
happens to her. Sentient beings that do react aren't necessarily
reacting emotionally; emotions take time to develop, reactions are
quicker than that. Appropriate first response to unknown stimulus
(loud noise) is assessment: threat or nuisance? Thunder, gunfire,
wind-slammed door or intruder? That's analytical, not emotional.

I also did not politicize it as you seem to feel necessary. There
have been and probably still are some responsive/responsible liberals.
I won't wear either label.

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TOPIC: Palin caught lying again !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/11438d55184e2ddd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:04 am
From: Patriot Games

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:53:21 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/opinion/perspectives/612138-263/palin-makes-a-few-errors-in-convention.html
> "Palin makes a few errors in convention speech – and on Fox"
>[
>On Fox News Sunday, Palin repeated her false claim that Alaska produces
>one-fifth of the nation's energy:
>Palin (Feb. 7): [Alaska is the] largest, most diverse state in the union, 20
>percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy coming from our state.
>This is far from true, just as it was in 2008 when she claimed the same thing.
>Back then we noted that the U.S. Energy Information Administration showed that
>Alaska accounted for 3.5 percent of all domestic energy production in 2005, the
>most recent figures then available.
>Now the figure is even lower. The EIA's current statistical breakdown shows
>Alaska's energy production made up just under 2.9 percent of the U.S. total in
>2007.
>]
> How stupid can one winger be?

Why do DemocRATs always LIE?

Crude Oil Production - Current - Monthly-Thousand Barrels

U.S.: 163,974
Alaska (PADD5): 19,743
Alaska (Offshore): 5,755 Total: 25,498
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_crd_crpdn_adc_mbbl_m.htm

15.5%

High Point 1987:
U.S.: 257,844
Alaska (PADD5): 63,325
Alaska (Offshore): 4,469 Total: 67,794

26.3%

Average = 20.9%

Palin said "one-fifth."

20.9% IS one-fifth.

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS1&f=M

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPAK1&f=M

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=M_EPC0_FPF_AKSF_1&f=M

Offshore Gross Withdrawals of Natural Gas (Million Cubic Feet)
U.S. Total 2007: 3,492,744
Alaska Total: 374,204

10.7%

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/ng/ng_prod_off_s1_a.htm

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TOPIC: Computer power consumption
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8aeb6e09f365ba73?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:06 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Feb 15, 11:57 pm, "Michael Koblic" <mkob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...Kill-A-Watt ...
> My most recent purchase (Compaq Presario) does this:
>
> Turned off 2.1W
> Booting 60W
> On but quiet 46W
> Asleep 5.8W
> Hibernating 1.7W
>
> My old computer also draws about 3W while supposedly switched off.
>
> So the questions are: .......
> --
> Michael Koblic,
> Campbell River, BC

In a discussion on alt.energy.homepower someone (Neon John?) wrote
that they had tested a Kill-A-Watt against lab equipment and found it
quite accurate, but like any digital instrument you can't trust that
the accuracy is as good as the resolution. If the 0.01 Amp display
resolution matches that of the A/D converter (doubtful) then the
wattage at 120V would change in steps of 1.2W and the real accuracy is
no better than +/- one step.

> 1) Why is the computer drawing any power at all when turned off?
The circuit that commands the computer to power up when you press the
momentary-contact power button has to draw some power itself. I
believe they were designed for lowest cost rather than efficiency. The
service manual for my Dell Dimension says to press the power button -
after- unplugging the AC cord to discharge a large capacitor, before
swapping parts.

> 2) Why is the power drawn less when hibernating then when switched off?
See above. Your 2.1W and 1.7W readings don't really mean that much
unless you have checked the calibration of that KAW somehow, like with
a resistor load. Which I don't suggest. Even if you do the cheap
methods of converting 120 - 240VAC to a small amount of low voltage DC
can have high power factors.

> 3) What happens to a computer which is turned off and the plug is pulled?
The front-panel button won't turn it on until you restore AC power.

I have a main power strip on the side of this table that cuts off
everything, slays the energy vampires. (OK, I'm a fan of Joss Whedon's
work). The UPS and laptop charger are plugged into it, and sometimes a
soldering iron and small heat gun. The two desktops are on separate
strips plugged into the UPS. To use one I turn on the main strip, then
the UPS and let it self-test, then the strip for that computer. Their
monitors, USB drives, speakers, printers and keyboard lamp more than
double the power demand.

> 4) What happens with laptops? Do they draw power from their battery
> continuously even when turned off?
This Latitude doesn't, the batteries stay at 100% when it's shut down
or in hibernation. Standby does use some battery power.
I recently had to replace the 2032 CMOS batteries in my 10-year-old
Compaq laptops. Their main batteries are dead so I run them off AC and
they wake up from hibernation with no battery installed, usually the
instant I plug in the charger. Ergo they must not need battery power
in hibernation. The only symptom of the dead CMOS battery was the 1980
date.

jsw

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TOPIC: Socket on a stick
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3ba92c2af2af060e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:18 am
From: "Jon Danniken"

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:12:25 -0800, the infamous "Jon Danniken"
> <jondanSPAMniken@yaSPAMhoo.com> scrawled the following:
>
>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> That's a good rig. I've built some odd tools like
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Here is what less creative people use:
>>> http://www.google.com/products?q=basin+wrench+&hl=en&aq=f
>>
>> A- HA! I knew there had to be a "proper" tool to solve this
>> problem, but I came up with my solution before I had a chance to
>> post the question over at terrylove's forum.
>>
>> Besides, I'm a sucker for any excuse to do some welding.
>
> If that's so, why does it still look like turkey droppings (your
> term), Jon?
>
> You should be outwelding -Ernie- at this point. <vbg>

Yeah, give me about 30 years for that one! ;->

Jon

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TOPIC: Cheater's Notes
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:26 am
From: Lookout

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:02:46 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah>
wrote:

>
>
>"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>news:hlc9pd$78a$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> Burled Frau wrote:
>>
>>>> Ask all you want. You're getting nothing from me. I could ask you for
>>>> Bush's accomplishments and then deny he had any but I don't play games
>>>> like you. You'll never get to hear Obama's accomplishments from me.
>>>> You'll have to find them all by yourself. But don't worry, it won't be
>>>> hard as unemployment goes down, as we pull out of Iraq, as the economy
>>>> improves, you'll hear all about it on TV and on the internet. Just keep
>>>> your eyes open and maybe this time you will notice things like the
>>>> decline in job losses from 700K a month to very few, and an economy that
>>>> is actually growing compared to one in recession. For most people they
>>>> are easy to see but you do have trouble seeing things other people see
>>>> easily. But as usual you'll be the last to notice and you will never
>>>> acknowledge it either.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It was your claim that 0bama appeared on TV and rattled off a list of
>>> accomplishments. But we all know that he has failed the American public
>>> on issues of health care, the wars, education, the economy, etc. He's a
>>> big zero, all smoke and mirrors, and when asked to back up your bold
>>> statement, you couldn't think of one single accomplishment as President.
>>> In fact, you claim his one accomplishment as President was becoming
>>> President, which really means he accomplished zero as President. Thanks
>>> for your affirmation.
>>
>> First off, when I informed you about Obama's speech where he spoke about
>> the things he had accomplished in the first year, that was an observation
>> not a claim. You have a computer so you could verify what I
>
>
>crystal ball on...
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/a25b48b7670b81e9?hl=en&dmode=source
>
>>>> Still can't find any accomplishments of 0bama? I see.

His presidency isn't over. Stop being an ass.

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:27 am
From: Lookout

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:15:09 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:00:38 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>puked:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:41:59 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:28:46 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>puked:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:34:40 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:45:42 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>puked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:34:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:56:41 -0500, Cliff
>>>>>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:14:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:22:44 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Every day it becomes more clear why his school transcripts are
>>>>>>>>>>>hidden...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>They are not hidden. You're lying again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ok, prove that I'm a liar and post them. And his thesis, for extra
>>>>>>>>>credit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are a winger so you would try to lie in any case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PLUS the Nobel Peace Prize.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>HTH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It does help. By mentioning the Peace Prize that he received right
>>>>>>>before sending 30k off to war, it proves all the more that his
>>>>>>>accolades are undeserving. Even HE admitted it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So you're not criticizing Obama but the Nobel committee?
>>>>>
>>>>>Now that you mention it, I'm also criticizing Occidental, Columbia and
>>>>>Harvard, as well as the affirmative action process. Thanks for
>>>>>clarifying.
>>>>
>>>>Your blaming a "process"? Fuck you're an idiot.
>>>
>>>I'm criticizing a process. Am I typing too fast for ya?
>>
>>You can't. A 'process' doesn't name things. Entities do, dumbass.
>
>A process is a series of events that are executed in a certain way.
>You don't think that's something that could be criticized?

You weren't specific about what so, no.

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:29 am
From: Lookout

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:17:38 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:57:26 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>puked:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:29 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:55 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>puked:
>>>
>>>>>>No, you're lying again. They admitted they made mistakes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not at first they didn't.
>>>>
>>>>But they DID.
>>>
>>>Wrong.
>>
>>Prove it.
>
>http://www.google.com/search?q=napolitano+system+worked&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA_en
>
>Have fun

When you edited out the previous post you lost any chance of a
discussion.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 8:01 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:27:20 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
puked:

>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:15:09 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:00:38 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>puked:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:41:59 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:28:46 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>puked:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:34:40 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:45:42 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:34:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:56:41 -0500, Cliff
>>>>>>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:14:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:22:44 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Every day it becomes more clear why his school transcripts are
>>>>>>>>>>>>hidden...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>They are not hidden. You're lying again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Ok, prove that I'm a liar and post them. And his thesis, for extra
>>>>>>>>>>credit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are a winger so you would try to lie in any case.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PLUS the Nobel Peace Prize.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>HTH
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It does help. By mentioning the Peace Prize that he received right
>>>>>>>>before sending 30k off to war, it proves all the more that his
>>>>>>>>accolades are undeserving. Even HE admitted it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So you're not criticizing Obama but the Nobel committee?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now that you mention it, I'm also criticizing Occidental, Columbia and
>>>>>>Harvard, as well as the affirmative action process. Thanks for
>>>>>>clarifying.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your blaming a "process"? Fuck you're an idiot.
>>>>
>>>>I'm criticizing a process. Am I typing too fast for ya?
>>>
>>>You can't. A 'process' doesn't name things. Entities do, dumbass.
>>
>>A process is a series of events that are executed in a certain way.
>>You don't think that's something that could be criticized?
>
>You weren't specific about what so, no.

I didn't specifically say "the affirmative action process"?

Ok, you're a troll...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 8:02 am
From: grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)

"lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote in
news:gg6ln5tvk4uggth3u6dl0d82gekortpc18@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:00:38 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
> puked:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:41:59 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:28:46 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> puked:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:34:40 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:45:42 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>puked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:34:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:56:41 -0500, Cliff
>>>>>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:14:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:22:44 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Every day it becomes more clear why his school transcripts are
>>>>>>>>>>>hidden...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>They are not hidden. You're lying again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ok, prove that I'm a liar and post them. And his thesis, for
>>>>>>>>>extra credit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are a winger so you would try to lie in any case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PLUS the Nobel Peace Prize.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>HTH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It does help. By mentioning the Peace Prize that he received right
>>>>>>>before sending 30k off to war, it proves all the more that his
>>>>>>>accolades are undeserving. Even HE admitted it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So you're not criticizing Obama but the Nobel committee?
>>>>>
>>>>>Now that you mention it, I'm also criticizing Occidental, Columbia and
>>>>>Harvard, as well as the affirmative action process. Thanks for
>>>>>clarifying.
>>>>
>>>>Your blaming a "process"? Fuck you're an idiot.
>>>
>>>I'm criticizing a process. Am I typing too fast for ya?
>>
>>You can't. A 'process' doesn't name things. Entities do, dumbass.
>
> A process is a series of events that are executed in a certain way.
> You don't think that's something that could be criticized?
> --
> lab~rat >:-)
> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
>

I think his sanity is dangling by it's last thread.

--
God, guns and guts made America great.

And Janet Napolitano nervous.

Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 8:02 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:29:18 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
puked:

>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:17:38 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:57:26 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>puked:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:29 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:55 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>puked:
>>>>
>>>>>>>No, you're lying again. They admitted they made mistakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not at first they didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>But they DID.
>>>>
>>>>Wrong.
>>>
>>>Prove it.
>>
>>http://www.google.com/search?q=napolitano+system+worked&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA_en
>>
>>Have fun
>
>When you edited out the previous post you lost any chance of a
>discussion.

I didn't delete it from the internet, genius. I guess I should have
considered your ADD problem. Anyway, your Obama administration said
the homeland security worked like clockwork in the case of the xmas
bomber. Shows how out of touch they, and you, are...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 8:08 am
From: grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)

"lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote in
news:9n6ln51rqca81m36bvcsk797rbos0bq9v2@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:57:26 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
> puked:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:29 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:55 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>puked:
>>>
>>>>>>No, you're lying again. They admitted they made mistakes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not at first they didn't.
>>>>
>>>>But they DID.
>>>
>>>Wrong.
>>
>>Prove it.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=napolitano+system+worked&rls=com.microsoft:
> en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA_en
>
> Have fun

Just for the record...

He will not read any of this, but he will come back, call you a vile name and
use profanity.

The left is nothing if not consistent. They should be euthanized for the
safety of the rest of us.

> --
> lab~rat >:-)
> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

--
God, guns and guts made America great.

And Janet Napolitano nervous.

Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 8:29 am
From: "§nühw¤£f"

"lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> clouded the waters of pure
thought with news:vagln5ht34bm93uaafkealh1h278nkg42d@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:29:18 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
> puked:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:17:38 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:57:26 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>puked:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:29 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:55 -0600, Lookout
>>>>><mrLookout@yahoo.com> puked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, you're lying again. They admitted they made mistakes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not at first they didn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But they DID.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Prove it.
>>>
>>>http://www.google.com/search?q=napolitano+system+worked&rls=com.mi
>>>crosoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7S
>>>UNA_en
>>>
>>>Have fun
>>
>>When you edited out the previous post you lost any chance of a
>>discussion.
>
> I didn't delete it from the internet, genius. I guess I should
> have considered your ADD problem. Anyway, your Obama
> administration said the homeland security worked like clockwork in
> the case of the xmas bomber.

How did it now work? Who got hurt?

^_^

> Shows how out of touch they, and
> you, are... --

With what?

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== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 8:30 am
From: "§nühw¤£f"

grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) clouded the waters
of pure thought with
news:Xns9D217164145E6Wereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142:

> "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote in
> news:9n6ln51rqca81m36bvcsk797rbos0bq9v2@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:57:26 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>> puked:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:29 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:55 -0600, Lookout
>>>><mrLookout@yahoo.com> puked:
>>>>
>>>>>>>No, you're lying again. They admitted they made mistakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not at first they didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>But they DID.
>>>>
>>>>Wrong.
>>>
>>>Prove it.
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=napolitano+system+worked&rls=com.mi
>> crosoft:
>> en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA_en
>>
>> Have fun
>
> Just for the record...
>
> He will not read any of this, but he will come back, call you a
> vile name and use profanity.
>
The fuck you say!
FFS!

> The left is nothing if not consistent. They should be euthanized
> for the safety of the rest of us.
>

Pussies like you never will.
Now go stand in the corner.

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TOPIC: Fixed! Tachometer on Clausing VS13 Lathe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f6f81f2cfb79cdeb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:26 am
From: joel

after quite a bit of research, consulting with a friend who's an
electronics geek, etc. the tachometer on my Clausing is fixed! The opto
sensor and the LCD needed to be replaced, and suitable parts were found
at Digikey, but there was still a nasty intermittent problem happening.
finally diagnosed it down to a overheating diode in the power supply.
works like a champ now.

--Joel

--
remove "xxxnospamxxx" to reach me

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TOPIC: FS -- 275 amp Pipeline Welder, Continental 163 engine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/dc43134cee7f371e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:29 am
From: "JTMcC"

What the heck is a "375 amp pipeline welder"?

JTMcC.

"Ignoramus12951" <ignoramus12951@NOSPAM.12951.invalid> wrote in message
news:CsednYdfkPLOm-fWnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 2010-02-16, Ignoramus12951 <ignoramus12951@NOSPAM.12951.invalid> wrote:
>> Works great and comes with a 4 wheeled trailer. This is a "big one",
>> not a little 200a welder. Nice external appearance. New waterpump
>> etc. Big leads also included.
>
> Make it 375 amps, not 275.
>
> Also it has both CC and CV mode.
>
> Also, one of the wheels mounting plates (to which the wheel is bolted)
> is missing a chunk. I am sure it needs to be replaced.
>
> Also the trailer has no springs. I just drove it for 50 miles and I
> know that it works, but it is a little bumpy.
>
> i
>
>> Pintle hitch. No lights on trailer.
>>
>> Price for rec.crafts.metalworking readers is less than I expect to get
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> i

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:51 am
From: Ignoramus21666

On 2010-02-16, JTMcC <firstrateYUPfab@citlink.net> wrote:
> What the heck is a "375 amp pipeline welder"?

A welder to weld pipelines maybe? with 375 amps of current?

> JTMcC.
>
>
> "Ignoramus12951" <ignoramus12951@NOSPAM.12951.invalid> wrote in message
> news:CsednYdfkPLOm-fWnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On 2010-02-16, Ignoramus12951 <ignoramus12951@NOSPAM.12951.invalid> wrote:
>>> Works great and comes with a 4 wheeled trailer. This is a "big one",
>>> not a little 200a welder. Nice external appearance. New waterpump
>>> etc. Big leads also included.
>>
>> Make it 375 amps, not 275.
>>
>> Also it has both CC and CV mode.
>>
>> Also, one of the wheels mounting plates (to which the wheel is bolted)
>> is missing a chunk. I am sure it needs to be replaced.
>>
>> Also the trailer has no springs. I just drove it for 50 miles and I
>> know that it works, but it is a little bumpy.
>>
>> i
>>
>>> Pintle hitch. No lights on trailer.
>>>
>>> Price for rec.crafts.metalworking readers is less than I expect to get
>>> elsewhere.
>>>
>>> i
>
>

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TOPIC: Alabama professor shot her own brother also 20+ years ago
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7bf5eef8b6b4e4fa?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:40 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:37:29 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus21666
<ignoramus21666@NOSPAM.21666.invalid> scrawled the following:

>the plot thickens
>
>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704124704575063561350818900.html?mod=WSJ_article_LatestHeadlines

Not just another "liberal with a gun" story, Ig?

--
It's a great life...once you weaken.
--author James Hogan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:50 am
From: Ignoramus21666

On 2010-02-16, Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:37:29 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus21666
><ignoramus21666@NOSPAM.21666.invalid> scrawled the following:
>
>>the plot thickens
>>
>>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704124704575063561350818900.html?mod=WSJ_article_LatestHeadlines
>
> Not just another "liberal with a gun" story, Ig?
>

Looks like she was a big time kook. Her political affiliation would
certainly be an interesting addition to what I know about her.

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TOPIC: So which "tea party" are you talking about?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5e31e7d07984c609?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:42 am
From: Lookout

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
wrote:

>It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
>stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.
>WS
>
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/will-palin-and-the-neocon_b_456824.html?view=print
>Ron Paul vs. Sarah Palin for the Soul of the Tea Parties
>
>There's trouble brewing between the Ron Paul libertarians who staged
>the the first modern tea party in 2007 by dumping tea into Boston
>Harbor, and the neocon war hawks led by Sarah Palin who are furiously
>trying to hijack their message.
>
>After I appeared on MSNBC talking about Sarah Palin's appearance at
>the Nashville tea party convention, several libertarians told me they
>were unhappy with the exchange.
>
>I said that Sarah Palin's hawkish message on Iran was oddly out of
>place in a group whose roots belong to the Ron Paul libertarians,
>particularly as the anti-interventionist Rand Paul is looking strong
>in the Kentucky Senate Senate race -- and Palin just endorsed him. The
>woman who appeared with me representing the tea partiers disagreed
>with that premise, and claimed she was very much an interventionist.
>
>My libertarian friends couldn't imagine what she was doing on TV
>representing the tea parties in the first place, and thought it was a
>sad day when the opposition stated their position more fairly than
>their supposed allies.
>
>But it underscores a rift between the anti-tax, pro-civil rights
>libertarians who started the tea parties and the corporatist neocon
>grifters of the GOP who are now trying to swoop in and capitalize on
>all of the hype. And in the irony of ironies, tea party-identified
>candidates are now trying to oust Ron Paul from his Texas House seat.
>
>Paul appeared on Rachel Maddow last night to speak about it. Rachel
>asked him about his relationship to the tea parties, and he said:
>
>I think the message gets a little bit diluted when a lot of people
>come in and the Republican party wants to make sure that maybe there's
>a Neocon type of influence.
>
>Ron Paul was reluctant to reject Sarah Palin's endorsement of his son,
>and mostly tried to change the subject. But this morning Doug Bandow,
>a Senior Fellow at the Campaign for Liberty, has a piece denouncing
>the Daniel Pipes foolishness (echoed by Sarah Palin last weekend)
>which says Obama would help himself politically by bombing the bejesus
>out of Iran:
>
>There are no good solutions in Iran. The world will be a better place
>if Iran becomes democratic and abandons any nuclear weapons program.
>But initiating war likely would inhibit reform in Iraq while making
>the world a more dangerous place. The disastrous experience of Iraq
>should teach us many lessons, the most important of which is that war
>always should be a last resort. That standard is no where close to
>being met in Iran.
>
>One of FDL's reporters was at the Nashville tea party convention, and
>said there was a promo booth set up by ConAgra. ConAgra. Agricultural
>subsidies are one of the biggest forms of corporate welfare around,
>and there's a big corporate push underway to convince the tea party
>activists that they're not. They are. Red State has endorsed Stephen
>Fincher for John Tanner's seat, despite the fact that he's taken over
>$300,000 in campaign contributions from families who have received
>over $80 million in farm subsidies. The mid-south tea party did an
>impressive investigation into the donations and called Fincher out for
>it. In the report, they rely heavily on the work of the progressive
>environmental organization EWG.
>
>Despite our disagreements on immigration, unions and host of other
>issues, I have respect for libertarians like Bruce Fein and Ron Paul
>who took a lot of arrows in the back from fellow Republicans during
>the Bush years for opposing FISA, domestic spying, warrentless
>wiretapping, the wars and the bank bailout. It was a principled thing
>to do and it wasn't easy.
>
>As a result, Ron Paul was denied the ability to speak at the
>Republican convention in St. Paul, and held his own convention across
>town. Glenn Greenwald and I attended. While we disagree with the
>libertarians about more things than we probably agree on, it's usually
>centered on an honest disagreement about the appropriate role of
>government. The GOP establishment, on the other hand, struck a bargain
>for power with corporate America that is totally at odds with
>everything the libertarians stand for.
>
>The independent libertarians in the tea party movement probably have
>more points of honest intersection with progressives on the war, civil
>liberties, accountability and transparency than with the GOP and the
>"For Sale" sign they've affixed to the taxpayer trough. Alan Grayson
>and Ron Paul worked closely together to pass the bill to Audit the Fed
>in the House, and both opposed the reconfirmation of Ben Bernanke. It
>was nothing the establishment GOP had any interest in, who lined up
>right behind Bernanke.
>
>Ron Paul has been tireless in taking his message to college campuses,
>and he has tremendous support among younger people who identify
>themselves as fiscal conservatives but are uncomfortable with fundies
>and their gay-bashing. But as the libertarian message is gaining
>traction, it is being hijacked by the Neocons -- and Sarah "bridge to
>nowhere" Palin leads the parade. Ron Paul supporters were outraged by
>Palin's speech and the whopping fee she charged for her appearance at
>the Nashville convention.
>
>It's completely incoherent that there are now tea party-identified
>candidates trying to oust Ron Paul himself from his seat. I hope the
>libertarians lay down markers and come down on the side of ending the
>war and ConAgra's corporate welfare, and showing Palin -- and her many
>bombs -- to the door.

There is a meeting of teabagger leaders meeting Michael Steele (head
of RNC) today...over 51 are there!
There isn't a teabagger party. There are a bunch of idiots running
around all calling themselves teabaggers with no leadership and it's
hilarious to watch these uncontrolled little pissants tear apart the
republican party.

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TOPIC: 0bama's "bi-partisan" health care ploy
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/a440ebf0b627a9a5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:45 am
From: Lookout

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:08 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
wrote:

>http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/GOP-responds-to-Obamas-Health-Care-Summit-invite-No-Thanks-84321682.html
>GOP responds to Obama's Health Care Summit invite: No Thanks?
>
>House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, issued a statement late
>Saturday in response to President Obama's Friday invite to a
>bipartisan Health Care Summit at the White House.
>
>Boehner and other Republican leaders are complaining that the event is
>simply political gamesmanship and that Obama is planning to have a
>health care deal finalized before anyone even sits down at the
>meeting, which is scheduled to take place on Feb. 25.
>
>Here's Boehner's statement:
>"A productive bipartisan discussion should begin with a clean sheet of
>paper. We now know that instead of starting the 'bipartisan' health
>care 'summit' on Feb. 25 with a clean sheet of paper, the president
>and his party intend to arrive with a new bill written behind closed
>doors exclusively by Democrats -- a backroom deal that will transform
>one-sixth of our nation's economy and affect every family and small
>business in America. They will then engage a largely handpicked
>audience in a televised 'dialogue' according to a script they have
>largely pre-determined. They will do this as a precursor to embarking
>on a legislative course that Democratic congressional aides
>acknowledge has also been pre-determined -- a partisan course that
>relies on parliamentary tricks to circumvent the will of the American
>people and engineer a pre-determined outcome. It doesn't sound much
>like bipartisanship to me."

The conservatives asked for open, televised meetings. Obama is giving
them that. Now they are running away from what they asked for.
Typical shit from the shit heads

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TOPIC: Threading on Hardinge DV59?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b51df4aeb29d92d7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 8:10 am
From: Jamie

Thanks for the comments everyone.
Ned -
The lathe has a turret, but I just bought a tailstock for it also.
I will definitely follow your advice and get a die holder - I think
Hardinge made one for the turret that has some sort of quick release/
retract gizmo - need to look into it further.

The limiting factor on designing a system to make custom / unusual
threads is that the lathe only goes down to 200 rpm. I might have to
make some auxillary drive system that you can engage with the regular
transmission in neutral. Probably a fools errand, but it might be
funto try anyway.
J

On Feb 15, 8:52 am, Ned Simmons <n...@nedsim.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:42:01 -0800 (PST), Jamie
>
> <jamespag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I know this is an oddball thing to ask but...
> >Has anyone heard of someone making mods to a DV59 so they can turn an
> >occasional unusual thread?
> >I'm pondering designing an easily attachable/removable add-on so I can
> >do it. I know that for doing lots of threading it would make more
> >sense to get a different lathe, but I might do this anyway just to
> >have a bizarre project.
>
> >Anyone care to dissuade me or point to an existing solution?
>
> The most obvious is a Geometric die head and chasers.
>
> Does your lathe have a tailstock or a turret?
>
> --
> Ned Simmons

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TOPIC: OT - The Continuing Climate Meltdown -- More embarrassments for the U.N.
and 'settled' science
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e6f4247dc9fe0cea?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 8:13 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:58:38 -0500, the infamous Joseph Gwinn
<joegwinn@comcast.net> scrawled the following:

>The title tells the story. The fallout from Climategate continues.
>
><http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870363040457505378146577400
>8.html>

It's all over now, except to knock it through those thick "believer"
skulls, eh?

--
It's a great life...once you weaken.
--author James Hogan

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TOPIC: Drop in December new-home sales fuels concern over recent gains Re: US
economy grows at fastest rate in 6 years
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b65ecc276c719e1a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 8:35 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:56:42 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
<snip>
>It looks encouraging. At $0.20/mile for battery replacement cost, we're not
>there yet. And it's disconcerting that it's taken so long to get even close
>to a viable battery. It makes me question what kinds of brick walls they're
>really running into. They should have had this one licked 20 years ago, and
>it shouldn't have taken billions of dollars to get there.
<snip>
==========
It may be due to the way the payout is structured. You pay for
"research," you get "research." You pay for results, you get
results.

Another approach is to implement Deep Throat's advice and "follow
the money." Who are the corporations and individuals who have
the most to lose if there is a significant shift away from import
petroleum based fuels? In many cases the major losers would not
be the oil companies, who can shift their output from fuels to
petrochemicals, but rather the commodity traders/speculators, mid
eastern governments, etc.

It is well to remember that vehicle fuel taxes provide a
substantial amount state and local governmental funds. How will
this revenue be replaced if electric cars are widely introduced?

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

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