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TOPIC: Obama Fiddles while our County Shivers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9ad033005f276c90?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:17 pm
From: Hawke

Burled Frau wrote:

>>> And yet you keep surprising us! Still think Bush is running huh?
>>> Careful, he might beat Obama! Hehe, the big zero chimp 0bama! Bush
>>> was the man in the yellow hat, you big dope!
>>
>> Well, he was the guy you helped put in office and thought so much of.
>> You said jack about his screw ups and can't keep your mouth shut for
>> two seconds about Obama. Come on you chicken shit, tell us you want
>> the republicans back in control. Admit it. That's why you hate Obama
>> so much. You want republicans at the helm so they can sail us into the
>> rocks again. Any you have the gall to call anyone dumb? Give me a break.
>>
>> Hawke
>
> Hah, you are so full of shit, you are a typical lib. I can't wait to see
> the look on your face when 0bama leaves off in 3 years. Whether he loses
> to a Republican or to Hillary, it will be a time for the country to
> rejoice. And there you'll be, all mad at Bush. You big loser zero.

Is that right? We'll see won't we? Tell you what, I bet that when Obama
is up for reelection in 2012 the country will be in much better shape
than when he got it. You think it will be worse off? Didn't you think
having a MBA oil man as our president would be a good thing? Didn't you
think Bush would do a good job as president and would make the country
better off than when he took over? All I can say is if you thought those
things you aren't much good at predictions. I said Bush would be a
disaster. I was right. Now I'm saying Obama will be a success. Let's see
who's right. I'm betting your prediction will suck just like before.

Hawke

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:24 pm
From: Shall not be infringed

On Feb 10, 7:20 pm, "Burled Frau" <acht...@jawol.jah> wrote:
> Fo Shizzle! Why won't homee just take the broom from his ole lady and twitch
> his nose to make it all go away?
> Broken plows, broken economy, broken country, broken dreams. Everyone is
> broke. Where's my change motherfucka?

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-35976-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m2d15-Leading-climate-expert-exposes-global-warming-fraud

Leading climate expert admits global warming fraud
February 15, 8:56 AM
Conservative Examiner Robert Moon

pressure from Freedom of Information requests, top global warming
proponent Dr. Phil Jones now claims to have "lost" all the critical
data on which the infamous "hockey stick" chart was based. He is also
suddenly making shocking concessions devastating to the alarmist war
on science.

Top among them is that the world was actually warmer during Medieval
times...before man ever built his first factory or car. Hence, global
warming is a naturally-occurring, cyclical phenomenon...as reasonable,
fact-based skeptics have been saying since the beginning. Another key
admission was that, for the last 15 years, there has been no global
warming at all.

As the popular T-shirt reads, "Global Warming: It's the Sun, Stupid."

This comes just weeks after the U.N. was caught fabricating evidence
out of thin air to prop up this debunked hoax (as I noted here) and
two months after leading scientists began turning against it in droves
(as I noted here). This would be why most voters continue to reject
this astrology-like pseudo-science on its face.

-------------------------------------------------

These assholes have damaged real science immesurably.

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TOPIC: Socket on a stick
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3ba92c2af2af060e?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:20 pm
From: "Jon Danniken"

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> writes:
>>
>> So like a crow's foot, only a lot weaker?
>
> And requiring a lot less clearance -- remember, that was one of his
> constraints.

Aye, it had to attach the lines up in a four inch deep recess underneath a
wall hanging sink:

http://i45.tinypic.com/qodg9k.jpg

Jon

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:21 pm
From: "Jon Danniken"

Leo Lichtman wrote:
> "Jon Danniken" wrote: (clip) (yes my welds look like turkeysh*t, but
> they will function in this
>> application). (clip)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I'm not qualified to comment on the appearance of your turkey
> droppings, but they look better than mine would have.
>
> But I do want to comment on the photographs. Excellent
> macro-photography. Sharp, well composed, uncluttered, well lit.

Hey thanks Leo, I appreciate that.

Jon

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:23 pm
From: "Jon Danniken"

Bob La Londe wrote:
>
> Nice, I've got a few custom by chop saw and welder sockets myself. So a
> basin wrench wouldn't fit?

I wasn't aware of such a tool at the time I made mine, which led to me
making it myself. It was pretty tight up in there, but if all I had was a
basin wrench I imagine I'd have found a way to get it to work.

Jon

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:39 pm
From: Bob Engelhardt

Jon Danniken wrote:
> ... what process didja use for the welds?

MIG

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TOPIC: Cheater's Notes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/575dd2a6a3913041?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:24 pm
From: Lookout

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:42:09 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:11:56 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>puked:
>
>>>Oh, and everything went like clockwork, according to the clowns we
>>>have in power now...
>>
>>No, you're lying again. They admitted they made mistakes.
>
>Not at first they didn't.

But they DID.

>Not until they were called out on it did
>they acquiesce. Like they continue to do.

And bush still won't admit it
>
>It's a goddam riot watching how Obama listens to the news and reacts
>to every criticism that's made about him. What a douchebag.

But that's not the topic, is it?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:28 pm
From: Lookout

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:34:40 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:45:42 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>puked:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:34:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:56:41 -0500, Cliff
>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:14:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:22:44 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>puked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Every day it becomes more clear why his school transcripts are
>>>>>>>hidden...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They are not hidden. You're lying again.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, prove that I'm a liar and post them. And his thesis, for extra
>>>>>credit.
>>>>
>>>> You are a winger so you would try to lie in any case.
>>>>
>>>> Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.
>>>>
>>>> PLUS the Nobel Peace Prize.
>>>>
>>>>HTH
>>>
>>>It does help. By mentioning the Peace Prize that he received right
>>>before sending 30k off to war, it proves all the more that his
>>>accolades are undeserving. Even HE admitted it.
>>
>>So you're not criticizing Obama but the Nobel committee?
>
>Now that you mention it, I'm also criticizing Occidental, Columbia and
>Harvard, as well as the affirmative action process. Thanks for
>clarifying.

Your blaming a "process"? Fuck you're an idiot.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:41 pm
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:28:46 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
puked:

>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:34:40 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:45:42 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>puked:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:34:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:56:41 -0500, Cliff
>>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:14:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:22:44 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Every day it becomes more clear why his school transcripts are
>>>>>>>>hidden...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They are not hidden. You're lying again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok, prove that I'm a liar and post them. And his thesis, for extra
>>>>>>credit.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are a winger so you would try to lie in any case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.
>>>>>
>>>>> PLUS the Nobel Peace Prize.
>>>>>
>>>>>HTH
>>>>
>>>>It does help. By mentioning the Peace Prize that he received right
>>>>before sending 30k off to war, it proves all the more that his
>>>>accolades are undeserving. Even HE admitted it.
>>>
>>>So you're not criticizing Obama but the Nobel committee?
>>
>>Now that you mention it, I'm also criticizing Occidental, Columbia and
>>Harvard, as well as the affirmative action process. Thanks for
>>clarifying.
>
>Your blaming a "process"? Fuck you're an idiot.

I'm criticizing a process. Am I typing too fast for ya?
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:42 pm
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:55 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
puked:

>>>No, you're lying again. They admitted they made mistakes.
>>
>>Not at first they didn't.
>
>But they DID.

Wrong.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

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TOPIC: OT: Guns Take Lives -- Again!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/55aad5dba11805d9?hl=en
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:33 pm
From: Beryl

John Husvar wrote:
...
> Oh, and the gun in neither case, the professor or the partygoer, did one
> damned thing:

Not all by itself. A gun is only a tool, of course.

> People did something _using_ a gun,

Right. To do a particular job, you often need a particular tool.

> a gun neither you, I nor any other entity could have prevented them having if either was determined to have one.

Agreed. We need to do better.

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:34 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 13, 5:55 pm, Jim Chandler <n4...@gte.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:47:28 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
>
>
>
>
>
> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 12, 3:25 pm, Rich Grise on Google groups
> ><richardgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Br...@nationalgunrights.org>
>
> >> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. If you
> >> do, please forward it to your friends.
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> College student shoots home invader, saves 10 lives
>
> >> Yet another reason to keep a gun in the house . . .
>
> >> Several months ago, in the notoriously dangerous neighborhood of
> >> College Park in Atlanta, Georgia, two armed criminals broke into a
> >> house party of students.
>
> >> After confiscating the group's valuables, the invaders split the men
> >> and women up into different rooms.
>
> >> Witnesses say the perpetrators then counted their rounds and discussed
> >> if they had "enough" ammunition.
>
> >> The students believe the gunmen were going to rape and murder the
> >> entire group of students, who were celebrating a birthday at the end
> >> of the semester.
>
> >> However, one male student, whose identity is being protected by police
> >> and local media, retrieved a handgun from his backpack and fired at
> >> the thug who was detaining the men.
>
> >> (That is: One smart student had prepared for a night in College Park,
> >> Atlanta.)
>
> >> The criminal fled the apartment under the threat of injury and never
> >> returned.
>
> >> The student, continuing on into the girls' room, found the other thug,
> >> 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, preparing to rape his first victim.
>
> >> The student exchanged gunfire with Lavant, lethally wounding him in
> >> the process. Lavant fled through a window and died in front of his
> >> apartment, only one building away.
>
> >> One of the female students was injured during the exchange, but
> >> doctors expect a full and complete recovery.
>
> >> So what's the point
>
> >> A student saved the girls from rape, and saved the whole group of 10
> >> people (including himself) from murder . . . and he did it with a
> >> handgun.
>
> >> This is a perfect example of how ludicrous "big city gun laws" are.
> >> What if this had happened in New York, Chicago, or any of the other
> >> big cities that criminalize their citizens' self defense?
>
> >> Yes, we would be reading an entirely different story -- one so
> >> horrendous that we would shudder at the very words.
>
> >> Either this whole group of friends would have been raped and murdered
> >> by these two sorry excuses for human beings . . . or the hero of this
> >> story would be facing prison time for firearm possession and murder.
>
> >> Thankfully, however, Atlanta hasn't outlawed self-defense yet. And
> >> since someone had a gun and was willing to use it, innocent life was
> >> preserved.
>
> >> Congratulations to the unnamed hero of this story. You saved your
> >> friends' lives.
>
> >> In Liberty,
> >> Dudley Brown
> >> Executive Director
> >> National Association for Gun Rights
>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >> To help the National Association for Gun Rights grow, please forward
> >> this to a friend.
>
> >> To view this email as a web page, please click this link: view online.
>
> >> Help fight gun control. Donate to the National Association for Gun
> >> Rights!
>
> >Why don't you tell the truth lying NRA winger?
>
> >There are too many guns in too many hands of people who should not
> >have them.
>
> >Psych testing for gun ownership is coming.
>
> >TMT
>
> >Prof. in custody in fatal shooting on Ala. campus
> >By KRISTIN M. HALL, Associated Press Writer Kristin M. Hall,
> >Associated Press Writer
> >2 mins ago
>
> >HUNTSVILLE, Ala. – Authorities say a woman opened fire during a
> >faculty meeting at the University of Alabama's Huntsville campus,
> >killing three biology professors and injuring three other school
> >employees.
>
> >University spokesman Ray Garner said the shooter was caught outside
> >the building without incident, and no students were harmed in the
> >shooting Friday.
>
> >Several students identified the woman who was being taken into custody
> >as Amy Bishop, an instructor and researcher at the university. She was
> >taken Friday night in handcuffs from a police precinct to the county
> >jail and could be heard saying, "It didn't happen. There's no way ....
> >they are still alive."
>
> >Local media also named the biology professor as the suspected shooter,
> >though Garner said he could not identify her.
>
> >Police said no charges had been filed and they were interviewing the
> >woman suspect and a man identified as "a person of interest."
>
> >Garner said the three killed were Gopi K. Podila, the chairman of the
> >Department of Biological Sciences, and two other faculty members,
> >Maria Ragland Davis and Adriel Johnson.
>
> >Two others are in critical condition, and a third who was wounded was
> >upgraded to fair condition. The injured were identified as department
> >members Luis Cruz-Vera and Joseph Leahy and staffer Stephanie
> >Monticello. Their specific conditions were not released.
>
> >Sammie Lee Davis said his wife, Maria Ragland Davis, was a researcher
> >who had tenure at the university.
>
> >In a brief phone interview, he said he was told his wife was at a
> >meeting to discuss the tenure status of another faculty member who got
> >angry and started shooting.
>
> >He said his wife had mentioned the shooter before, describing the
> >woman as "not being able to deal with reality" and "not as good as she
> >thought she was."
>
> >Nick Lawton, the son of a biology professor at the school, said his
> >father was not among the victims, but he did not know much more.
>
> >Lawton, 25, was exercising when a friend phoned him to tell him about
> >the shooting. He called his father, Robert Lawton, and found out that
> >he was not hurt, then he let rest of his family know.
>
> >"All I know is that my father is OK," Nick Lawton told The Associated
> >Press.
>
> >Sophomore Erin Johnson told The Huntsville Times a biology faculty
> >meeting was under way when she heard screams coming from a conference
> >room.
>
> >University police secured the building and students were cleared from
> >it. There was still a heavy police presence on campus Friday night,
> >with police tape cordoning off the main entrance to the university.
>
> >The Huntsville campus has about 7,500 students in northern Alabama,
> >not far from the Tennessee line. The university is known for its
> >scientific and engineering programs and often works closely with NASA.
>
> >The space agency has a research center on the school's campus, where
> >many scientists and engineers from NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center
> >perform Earth and space science research and development.
>
> >The university posted a message on its Web site Friday afternoon
> >telling students the campus was closed Friday night and all students
> >were encouraged to go home. Counselors were available to speak with
> >students.
>
> >It's the second shooting in a week on an area campus. Last Friday, a
> >14-year-old student was killed in a middle school hallway in nearby
> >Madison, allegedly by a fellow student.
>
> >"This town is unaccustomed to shootings and multiple deaths," Garner
> >said.
>
> >___
>
> >Associated Press Writers Phillip Rawls and Desiree Hunter in
> >Montgomery, Ala., and Jacob Jordan and Daniel Yee in Atlanta
> >contributed to this report.
>
> You are a typical liberal idiot, TMT. Your name should be changed to
> "I dropped too many tools on my head". Psych testing is only good for
> the moment it is done. It will not tell you ANYTHING about the future
> actions of the one tested. Only a moronic liberal (that's you) would
> believe that testing will do any good.
>
> Jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...and which one of us is ranting and foaming at their conservative
mouth?

Psych testing would likely prevented you from owning a gun...and your
family and neighbors would be safer because of it.

TMT

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:35 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 13, 6:44 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:37:43 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
> >krw wrote:
> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:21:11 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:
> >>>> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Br...@nationalgunrights.org>
>
> >>>> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. If you
> >>>> do, please forward it to your friends.
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> 3 dead, 3 hurt in Alabama campus shooting
> >>> <http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-12-alabama-university-sho...>
> >>> Woman faculty member denied tenure at University of Alabama's Huntsville
> >>> campus, kills three biology professors and injures three other employees
> >>> at the school Friday.
> >>> It's the second shooting in a week on an area campus. Last Friday, a
> >>> 14-year-old student was killed in a middle school hallway in nearby
> >>> Madison, allegedly by a fellow student.
>
> >>> But, gee Rich, if the lady hadn't lost her temper this Friday, she might
> >>> have been able to thwart a crime somewhere next Friday. And that middle
> >>> school kid, he definitely could have thwarted a crime somwehere last
> >>> Thursday if he was in the right place at the right time, but he wasn't,
> >>> so he killed a student on Friday instead.
>
> >> Carrying on an Alabama campus (UAH) is illegal. Seems the perp, as
> >> usual, didn't much care about the law but it did mean that the
> >> victims couldn't defend themselves.
>
> >One day's "victim" can be another day's perp. People snap.
>
> That doesn't change the fact that the others were not permitted to
> defend themselves against the crazy.
>
> BTW, it's not the first time she's killed someone. She killed her
> brother twenty-something years ago. Taxyourtwoshits didn't charge
> her. Surprise, surprise.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It also causes society to ask the question..."How did this crazy
conservative get a gun?"

TMT

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:36 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 13, 9:39 pm, Mensanator <mensana...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 9:08 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 13, 10:31 am, John Ferrell <jferrel...@triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:47:28 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
>
> > > <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >On Feb 12, 3:25 pm, Rich Grise on Google groups
> > > ><richardgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Br...@nationalgunrights.org>
>
> > > >> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. If you
> > > >> do, please forward it to your friends.
> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> College student shoots home invader, saves 10 lives
>
> > > >> Yet another reason to keep a gun in the house . . .
>
> > > >> Several months ago, in the notoriously dangerous neighborhood of
> > > >> College Park in Atlanta, Georgia, two armed criminals broke into a
> > > >> house party of students.
>
> > > >> After confiscating the group's valuables, the invaders split the men
> > > >> and women up into different rooms.
>
> > > >> Witnesses say the perpetrators then counted their rounds and discussed
> > > >> if they had "enough" ammunition.
>
> > > >> The students believe the gunmen were going to rape and murder the
> > > >> entire group of students, who were celebrating a birthday at the end
> > > >> of the semester.
>
> > > >> However, one male student, whose identity is being protected by police
> > > >> and local media, retrieved a handgun from his backpack and fired at
> > > >> the thug who was detaining the men.
>
> > > >> (That is: One smart student had prepared for a night in College Park,
> > > >> Atlanta.)
>
> > > >> The criminal fled the apartment under the threat of injury and never
> > > >> returned.
>
> > > >> The student, continuing on into the girls' room, found the other thug,
> > > >> 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, preparing to rape his first victim.
>
> > > >> The student exchanged gunfire with Lavant, lethally wounding him in
> > > >> the process. Lavant fled through a window and died in front of his
> > > >> apartment, only one building away.
>
> > > >> One of the female students was injured during the exchange, but
> > > >> doctors expect a full and complete recovery.
>
> > > >> So what's the point
>
> > > >> A student saved the girls from rape, and saved the whole group of 10
> > > >> people (including himself) from murder . . . and he did it with a
> > > >> handgun.
>
> > > >> This is a perfect example of how ludicrous "big city gun laws" are.
> > > >> What if this had happened in New York, Chicago, or any of the other
> > > >> big cities that criminalize their citizens' self defense?
>
> > > >> Yes, we would be reading an entirely different story -- one so
> > > >> horrendous that we would shudder at the very words.
>
> > > >> Either this whole group of friends would have been raped and murdered
> > > >> by these two sorry excuses for human beings . . . or the hero of this
> > > >> story would be facing prison time for firearm possession and murder.
>
> > > >> Thankfully, however, Atlanta hasn't outlawed self-defense yet. And
> > > >> since someone had a gun and was willing to use it, innocent life was
> > > >> preserved.
>
> > > >> Congratulations to the unnamed hero of this story. You saved your
> > > >> friends' lives.
>
> > > >> In Liberty,
> > > >> Dudley Brown
> > > >> Executive Director
> > > >> National Association for Gun Rights
>
> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -
>
> > > >> To help the National Association for Gun Rights grow, please forward
> > > >> this to a friend.
>
> > > >> To view this email as a web page, please click this link: view online.
>
> > > >> Help fight gun control. Donate to the National Association for Gun
> > > >> Rights!
>
> > > >Why don't you tell the truth lying NRA winger?
>
> > > >There are too many guns in too many hands of people who should not
> > > >have them.
>
> > > >Psych testing for gun ownership is coming.
>
> > > >TMT
>
> > > >Prof. in custody in fatal shooting on Ala. campus
> > > >By KRISTIN M. HALL, Associated Press Writer Kristin M. Hall,
> > > >Associated Press Writer
> > > >2 mins ago
>
> > > >HUNTSVILLE, Ala. – Authorities say a woman opened fire during a
> > > >faculty meeting at the University of Alabama's Huntsville campus,
> > > >killing three biology professors and injuring three other school
> > > >employees.
>
> > > >University spokesman Ray Garner said the shooter was caught outside
> > > >the building without incident, and no students were harmed in the
> > > >shooting Friday.
>
> > > >Several students identified the woman who was being taken into custody
> > > >as Amy Bishop, an instructor and researcher at the university. She was
> > > >taken Friday night in handcuffs from a police precinct to the county
> > > >jail and could be heard saying, "It didn't happen. There's no way ....
> > > >they are still alive."
>
> > > >Local media also named the biology professor as the suspected shooter,
> > > >though Garner said he could not identify her.
>
> > > >Police said no charges had been filed and they were interviewing the
> > > >woman suspect and a man identified as "a person of interest."
>
> > > >Garner said the three killed were Gopi K. Podila, the chairman of the
> > > >Department of Biological Sciences, and two other faculty members,
> > > >Maria Ragland Davis and Adriel Johnson.
>
> > > >Two others are in critical condition, and a third who was wounded was
> > > >upgraded to fair condition. The injured were identified as department
> > > >members Luis Cruz-Vera and Joseph Leahy and staffer Stephanie
> > > >Monticello. Their specific conditions were not released.
>
> > > >Sammie Lee Davis said his wife, Maria Ragland Davis, was a researcher
> > > >who had tenure at the university.
>
> > > >In a brief phone interview, he said he was told his wife was at a
> > > >meeting to discuss the tenure status of another faculty member who got
> > > >angry and started shooting.
>
> > > >He said his wife had mentioned the shooter before, describing the
> > > >woman as "not being able to deal with reality" and "not as good as she
> > > >thought she was."
>
> > > >Nick Lawton, the son of a biology professor at the school, said his
> > > >father was not among the victims, but he did not know much more.
>
> > > >Lawton, 25, was exercising when a friend phoned him to tell him about
> > > >the shooting. He called his father, Robert Lawton, and found out that
> > > >he was not hurt, then he let rest of his family know.
>
> > > >"All I know is that my father is OK," Nick Lawton told The Associated
> > > >Press.
>
> > > >Sophomore Erin Johnson told The Huntsville Times a biology faculty
> > > >meeting was under way when she heard screams coming from a conference
> > > >room.
>
> > > >University police secured the building and students were cleared from
> > > >it. There was still a heavy police presence on campus Friday night,
> > > >with police tape cordoning off the main entrance to the university.
>
> > > >The Huntsville campus has about 7,500 students in northern Alabama,
> > > >not far from the Tennessee line. The university is known for its
> > > >scientific and engineering programs and often works closely with NASA.
>
> > > >The space agency has a research center on the school's campus, where
> > > >many scientists and engineers from NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center
> > > >perform Earth and space science research and development.
>
> > > >The university posted a message on its Web site Friday afternoon
> > > >telling students the campus was closed Friday night and all students
> > > >were encouraged to go home. Counselors were available to speak with
> > > >students.
>
> > > >It's the second shooting in a week on an area campus. Last Friday, a
> > > >14-year-old student was killed in a middle school hallway in nearby
> > > >Madison, allegedly by a fellow student.
>
> > > >"This town is unaccustomed to shootings and multiple deaths," Garner
> > > >said.
>
> > > >___
>
> > > >Associated Press Writers Phillip Rawls and Desiree Hunter in
> > > >Montgomery, Ala., and Jacob Jordan and Daniel Yee in Atlanta
> > > >contributed to this report.
>
> > > And the only way to put an end to these events is to have more armed
> > > citizens committed to self defense so that the perps can be put down
> > > immediatly without any hope of any other outcome.
>
> > > John Ferrell W8CCW- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > So you are saying that children should be armed to protect themselves
> > from their crazy gunnut parents?
>
> > What firearm do you recommend for a two year old?
>
> A Ruger .22 automatic. It has a nice, long barrel so the kid
> can't reach the trigger if she points it at her head.
>
>
>
>
>
> > TMT- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I disagree...too heavy.

And the parents would see the gun pointed at them before the kid had
the chance to pull the trigger.

TMT

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:38 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 13, 9:53 pm, "Martin H. Eastburn" <lionsl...@consolidated.net>
wrote:
> THe other thing I heard she was very highly regarded in her field.
> The or one of the top level in the country.
>
> What makes me think there was something sour in the faculty.
> Maybe an ego, likely was not social enough for them or religious...
> I don't think we will ever know as those who caused the situation
> are either dead or keeping their mouth shut.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> krw wrote:
> > On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:37:43 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>
> >> krw wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:21:11 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:
> >>>>> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Br...@nationalgunrights.org>
>
> >>>>> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. If you
> >>>>> do, please forward it to your friends.
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> 3 dead, 3 hurt in Alabama campus shooting
> >>>> <http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-12-alabama-university-sho...>
> >>>> Woman faculty member denied tenure at University of Alabama's Huntsville
> >>>> campus, kills three biology professors and injures three other employees
> >>>> at the school Friday.
> >>>> It's the second shooting in a week on an area campus. Last Friday, a
> >>>> 14-year-old student was killed in a middle school hallway in nearby
> >>>> Madison, allegedly by a fellow student.
>
> >>>> But, gee Rich, if the lady hadn't lost her temper this Friday, she might
> >>>> have been able to thwart a crime somewhere next Friday. And that middle
> >>>> school kid, he definitely could have thwarted a crime somwehere last
> >>>> Thursday if he was in the right place at the right time, but he wasn't,
> >>>> so he killed a student on Friday instead.
> >>> Carrying on an Alabama campus (UAH) is illegal. Seems the perp, as
> >>> usual, didn't much care about the law but it did mean that the
> >>> victims couldn't defend themselves.
> >> One day's "victim" can be another day's perp. People snap.
>
> > That doesn't change the fact that the others were not permitted to
> > defend themselves against the crazy.
>
> > BTW, it's not the first time she's killed someone. She killed her
> > brother twenty-something years ago. Taxyourtwoshits didn't charge
> > her. Surprise, surprise.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Got a link to this?

I have been hearing that she was marginal.

I have know some very smart crazy people...who would shoot you as much
as look at you.

TMT

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:38 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 13, 10:32 pm, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
> Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:
> ...
>
> > I think Alex went a little overboard and unnecessarily escalated a
> > crime which should have been nipped in the bud.
>
> Well, Alex sure taught him a lesson. Leaves me wondering how the
> unsuccessful knife wielding robber is going to approach his next victim.

Again...it is fake.

TMT

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:40 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 14, 4:16 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Beryl wrote:
>
> > krw wrote:
> > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:21:11 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>
> > >> Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:
> > >>> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Br...@nationalgunrights.org>
>
> > >>> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. If you
> > >>> do, please forward it to your friends.
> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> 3 dead, 3 hurt in Alabama campus shooting
> > >> <http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-12-alabama-university-sho...>
> > >> Woman faculty member denied tenure at University of Alabama's Huntsville
> > >> campus, kills three biology professors and injures three other employees
> > >> at the school Friday.
> > >> It's the second shooting in a week on an area campus. Last Friday, a
> > >> 14-year-old student was killed in a middle school hallway in nearby
> > >> Madison, allegedly by a fellow student.
>
> > >> But, gee Rich, if the lady hadn't lost her temper this Friday, she might
> > >> have been able to thwart a crime somewhere next Friday. And that middle
> > >> school kid, he definitely could have thwarted a crime somwehere last
> > >> Thursday if he was in the right place at the right time, but he wasn't,
> > >> so he killed a student on Friday instead.
>
> > > Carrying on an Alabama campus (UAH) is illegal. Seems the perp, as
> > > usual, didn't much care about the law but it did mean that the
> > > victims couldn't defend themselves.
>
> > One day's "victim" can be another day's perp. People snap.
>
> According to several news stories it isn't the first time she killed
> someone. She was a suspect when her brother was killed, but the entire
> file about her and that crime are missing.
>
> BTW, i'm surprised she didn't get tenure. She's violent & insane,
> after all.
>
> --
> Greed is the root of all eBay.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And yet you don't find it surprising that being violent and insane she
was able to own a gun.

TMT

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:42 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 14, 9:46 am, MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 7:08 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 13, 10:31 am, John Ferrell <jferrel...@triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:47:28 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
>
> > > <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >On Feb 12, 3:25 pm, Rich Grise on Google groups
> > > ><richardgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Br...@nationalgunrights.org>
>
> > > >> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. If you
> > > >> do, please forward it to your friends.
> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> College student shoots home invader, saves 10 lives
>
> > > >> Yet another reason to keep a gun in the house . . .
>
> > > >> Several months ago, in the notoriously dangerous neighborhood of
> > > >> College Park in Atlanta, Georgia, two armed criminals broke into a
> > > >> house party of students.
>
> > > >> After confiscating the group's valuables, the invaders split the men
> > > >> and women up into different rooms.
>
> > > >> Witnesses say the perpetrators then counted their rounds and discussed
> > > >> if they had "enough" ammunition.
>
> > > >> The students believe the gunmen were going to rape and murder the
> > > >> entire group of students, who were celebrating a birthday at the end
> > > >> of the semester.
>
> > > >> However, one male student, whose identity is being protected by police
> > > >> and local media, retrieved a handgun from his backpack and fired at
> > > >> the thug who was detaining the men.
>
> > > >> (That is: One smart student had prepared for a night in College Park,
> > > >> Atlanta.)
>
> > > >> The criminal fled the apartment under the threat of injury and never
> > > >> returned.
>
> > > >> The student, continuing on into the girls' room, found the other thug,
> > > >> 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, preparing to rape his first victim.
>
> > > >> The student exchanged gunfire with Lavant, lethally wounding him in
> > > >> the process. Lavant fled through a window and died in front of his
> > > >> apartment, only one building away.
>
> > > >> One of the female students was injured during the exchange, but
> > > >> doctors expect a full and complete recovery.
>
> > > >> So what's the point
>
> > > >> A student saved the girls from rape, and saved the whole group of 10
> > > >> people (including himself) from murder . . . and he did it with a
> > > >> handgun.
>
> > > >> This is a perfect example of how ludicrous "big city gun laws" are.
> > > >> What if this had happened in New York, Chicago, or any of the other
> > > >> big cities that criminalize their citizens' self defense?
>
> > > >> Yes, we would be reading an entirely different story -- one so
> > > >> horrendous that we would shudder at the very words.
>
> > > >> Either this whole group of friends would have been raped and murdered
> > > >> by these two sorry excuses for human beings . . . or the hero of this
> > > >> story would be facing prison time for firearm possession and murder.
>
> > > >> Thankfully, however, Atlanta hasn't outlawed self-defense yet. And
> > > >> since someone had a gun and was willing to use it, innocent life was
> > > >> preserved.
>
> > > >> Congratulations to the unnamed hero of this story. You saved your
> > > >> friends' lives.
>
> > > >> In Liberty,
> > > >> Dudley Brown
> > > >> Executive Director
> > > >> National Association for Gun Rights
>
> > > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > >> To help the National Association for Gun Rights grow, please forward
> > > >> this to a friend.
>
> > > >> To view this email as a web page, please click this link: view online.
>
> > > >> Help fight gun control. Donate to the National Association for Gun
> > > >> Rights!
>
> > > >Why don't you tell the truth lying NRA winger?
>
> > > >There are too many guns in too many hands of people who should not
> > > >have them.
>
> > > >Psych testing for gun ownership is coming.
>
> > > >TMT
>
> > > >Prof. in custody in fatal shooting on Ala. campus
> > > >By KRISTIN M. HALL, Associated Press Writer Kristin M. Hall,
> > > >Associated Press Writer
> > > >2 mins ago
>
> > > >HUNTSVILLE, Ala. – Authorities say a woman opened fire during a
> > > >faculty meeting at the University of Alabama's Huntsville campus,
> > > >killing three biology professors and injuring three other school
> > > >employees.
>
> > > >University spokesman Ray Garner said the shooter was caught outside
> > > >the building without incident, and no students were harmed in the
> > > >shooting Friday.
>
> > > >Several students identified the woman who was being taken into custody
> > > >as Amy Bishop, an instructor and researcher at the university. She was
> > > >taken Friday night in handcuffs from a police precinct to the county
> > > >jail and could be heard saying, "It didn't happen. There's no way ....
> > > >they are still alive."
>
> > > >Local media also named the biology professor as the suspected shooter,
> > > >though Garner said he could not identify her.
>
> > > >Police said no charges had been filed and they were interviewing the
> > > >woman suspect and a man identified as "a person of interest."
>
> > > >Garner said the three killed were Gopi K. Podila, the chairman of the
> > > >Department of Biological Sciences, and two other faculty members,
> > > >Maria Ragland Davis and Adriel Johnson.
>
> > > >Two others are in critical condition, and a third who was wounded was
> > > >upgraded to fair condition. The injured were identified as department
> > > >members Luis Cruz-Vera and Joseph Leahy and staffer Stephanie
> > > >Monticello. Their specific conditions were not released.
>
> > > >Sammie Lee Davis said his wife, Maria Ragland Davis, was a researcher
> > > >who had tenure at the university.
>
> > > >In a brief phone interview, he said he was told his wife was at a
> > > >meeting to discuss the tenure status of another faculty member who got
> > > >angry and started shooting.
>
> > > >He said his wife had mentioned the shooter before, describing the
> > > >woman as "not being able to deal with reality" and "not as good as she
> > > >thought she was."
>
> > > >Nick Lawton, the son of a biology professor at the school, said his
> > > >father was not among the victims, but he did not know much more.
>
> > > >Lawton, 25, was exercising when a friend phoned him to tell him about
> > > >the shooting. He called his father, Robert Lawton, and found out that
> > > >he was not hurt, then he let rest of his family know.
>
> > > >"All I know is that my father is OK," Nick Lawton told The Associated
> > > >Press.
>
> > > >Sophomore Erin Johnson told The Huntsville Times a biology faculty
> > > >meeting was under way when she heard screams coming from a conference
> > > >room.
>
> > > >University police secured the building and students were cleared from
> > > >it. There was still a heavy police presence on campus Friday night,
> > > >with police tape cordoning off the main entrance to the university.
>
> > > >The Huntsville campus has about 7,500 students in northern Alabama,
> > > >not far from the Tennessee line. The university is known for its
> > > >scientific and engineering programs and often works closely with NASA.
>
> > > >The space agency has a research center on the school's campus, where
> > > >many scientists and engineers from NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center
> > > >perform Earth and space science research and development.
>
> > > >The university posted a message on its Web site Friday afternoon
> > > >telling students the campus was closed Friday night and all students
> > > >were encouraged to go home. Counselors were available to speak with
> > > >students.
>
> > > >It's the second shooting in a week on an area campus. Last Friday, a
> > > >14-year-old student was killed in a middle school hallway in nearby
> > > >Madison, allegedly by a fellow student.
>
> > > >"This town is unaccustomed to shootings and multiple deaths," Garner
> > > >said.
>
> > > >___
>
> > > >Associated Press Writers Phillip Rawls and Desiree Hunter in
> > > >Montgomery, Ala., and Jacob Jordan and Daniel Yee in Atlanta
> > > >contributed to this report.
>
> > > And the only way to put an end to these events is to have more armed
> > > citizens committed to self defense so that the perps can be put down
> > > immediatly without any hope of any other outcome.
>
> > > John Ferrell W8CCW- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > So you are saying that children should be armed to protect themselves
> > from their crazy gunnut parents?
>
> > What firearm do you recommend for a two year old?
>
> The blunderbuss is a good choice. A young person has a bit of a hard
> time aiming accurately.
>
>
>
>
>
> > TMT- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Again I disagree.

The young have limited strength.

And the parents would need to help them prep the firearm before they
are shot.

TMT

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:43 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 14, 9:57 am, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:09:00 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
>
>
>
>
>
> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 13, 10:51 am, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:21:11 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
> >> >Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:
> >> >> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Br...@nationalgunrights.org>
>
> >> >> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. If you
> >> >> do, please forward it to your friends.
> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >> >3 dead, 3 hurt in Alabama campus shooting
> >> ><http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-12-alabama-university-sho...>
> >> >Woman faculty member denied tenure at University of Alabama's Huntsville
> >> >campus, kills three biology professors and injures three other employees
> >> >at the school Friday.
> >> >It's the second shooting in a week on an area campus. Last Friday, a
> >> >14-year-old student was killed in a middle school hallway in nearby
> >> >Madison, allegedly by a fellow student.
>
> >> >But, gee Rich, if the lady hadn't lost her temper this Friday, she might
> >> >have been able to thwart a crime somewhere next Friday. And that middle
> >> >school kid, he definitely could have thwarted a crime somwehere last
> >> >Thursday if he was in the right place at the right time, but he wasn't,
> >> >so he killed a student on Friday instead.
>
> >> Carrying on an Alabama campus (UAH) is illegal. Seems the perp, as
> >> usual, didn't much care about the law but it did mean that the
> >> victims couldn't defend themselves.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >If the prep had been prevented from getting a gun these people would
> >still be alive.
>
> Too Stupid doesn't realize that it's impossible to prevent anyone from
> getting guns. No surprise, Too Stupid never hides his absolute zero
> IQ.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...another one who fears psych testing.

It is coming...kiss your guns goodbye.

TMT

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:43 pm
From: RBnDFW

Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Rich Grise on Google groups wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 12:44 pm, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> " I then threw your wallet into the big pink "pimp mobile" that was
>>> parked at the curb .... after I broke the windshield and side window
>>> and keyed the entire driver's side of the car"
>>
> <snip>
>
>>> What would you have done if you saw him trashing your car?
>>
>> I'd have tried to stop him, of course, but who drives a big pink
>> pimpmobile anyway?
>
> A big pink pimp?
>
> <snip>
>

That story has been embellished a little more each time I see it.
This is the first I've heard about the pimpmobile

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:44 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 14, 10:00 am, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:12:03 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
>
>
>
>
>
> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 13, 5:55 pm, Jim Chandler <n4...@gte.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:47:28 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
>
> >> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Feb 12, 3:25 pm, Rich Grise on Google groups
> >> ><richardgr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Br...@nationalgunrights.org>
>
> >> >> I thought you would enjoy this story out of Atlanta, Georgia. If you
> >> >> do, please forward it to your friends.
> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> College student shoots home invader, saves 10 lives
>
> >> >> Yet another reason to keep a gun in the house . . .
>
> >> >> Several months ago, in the notoriously dangerous neighborhood of
> >> >> College Park in Atlanta, Georgia, two armed criminals broke into a
> >> >> house party of students.
>
> >> >> After confiscating the group's valuables, the invaders split the men
> >> >> and women up into different rooms.
>
> >> >> Witnesses say the perpetrators then counted their rounds and discussed
> >> >> if they had "enough" ammunition.
>
> >> >> The students believe the gunmen were going to rape and murder the
> >> >> entire group of students, who were celebrating a birthday at the end
> >> >> of the semester.
>
> >> >> However, one male student, whose identity is being protected by police
> >> >> and local media, retrieved a handgun from his backpack and fired at
> >> >> the thug who was detaining the men.
>
> >> >> (That is: One smart student had prepared for a night in College Park,
> >> >> Atlanta.)
>
> >> >> The criminal fled the apartment under the threat of injury and never
> >> >> returned.
>
> >> >> The student, continuing on into the girls' room, found the other thug,
> >> >> 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, preparing to rape his first victim.
>
> >> >> The student exchanged gunfire with Lavant, lethally wounding him in
> >> >> the process. Lavant fled through a window and died in front of his
> >> >> apartment, only one building away.
>
> >> >> One of the female students was injured during the exchange, but
> >> >> doctors expect a full and complete recovery.
>
> >> >> So what's the point
>
> >> >> A student saved the girls from rape, and saved the whole group of 10
> >> >> people (including himself) from murder . . . and he did it with a
> >> >> handgun.
>
> >> >> This is a perfect example of how ludicrous "big city gun laws" are.
> >> >> What if this had happened in New York, Chicago, or any of the other
> >> >> big cities that criminalize their citizens' self defense?
>
> >> >> Yes, we would be reading an entirely different story -- one so
> >> >> horrendous that we would shudder at the very words.
>
> >> >> Either this whole group of friends would have been raped and murdered
> >> >> by these two sorry excuses for human beings . . . or the hero of this
> >> >> story would be facing prison time for firearm possession and murder.
>
> >> >> Thankfully, however, Atlanta hasn't outlawed self-defense yet. And
> >> >> since someone had a gun and was willing to use it, innocent life was
> >> >> preserved.
>
> >> >> Congratulations to the unnamed hero of this story. You saved your
> >> >> friends' lives.
>
> >> >> In Liberty,
> >> >> Dudley Brown
> >> >> Executive Director
> >> >> National Association for Gun Rights
>
> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >> >> To help the National Association for Gun Rights grow, please forward
> >> >> this to a friend.
>
> >> >> To view this email as a web page, please click this link: view online.
>
> >> >> Help fight gun control. Donate to the National Association for Gun
> >> >> Rights!
>
> >> >Why don't you tell the truth lying NRA winger?
>
> >> >There are too many guns in too many hands of people who should not
> >> >have them.
>
> >> >Psych testing for gun ownership is coming.
>
> >> >TMT
>
> >> >Prof. in custody in fatal shooting on Ala. campus
> >> >By KRISTIN M. HALL, Associated Press Writer Kristin M. Hall,
> >> >Associated Press Writer
> >> >2 mins ago
>
> >> >HUNTSVILLE, Ala. – Authorities say a woman opened fire during a
> >> >faculty meeting at the University of Alabama's Huntsville campus,
> >> >killing three biology professors and injuring three other school
> >> >employees.
>
> >> >University spokesman Ray Garner said the shooter was caught outside
> >> >the building without incident, and no students were harmed in the
> >> >shooting Friday.
>
> >> >Several students identified the woman who was being taken into custody
> >> >as Amy Bishop, an instructor and researcher at the university. She was
> >> >taken Friday night in handcuffs from a police precinct to the county
> >> >jail and could be heard saying, "It didn't happen. There's no way ....
> >> >they are still alive."
>
> >> >Local media also named the biology professor as the suspected shooter,
> >> >though Garner said he could not identify her.
>
> >> >Police said no charges had been filed and they were interviewing the
> >> >woman suspect and a man identified as "a person of interest."
>
> >> >Garner said the three killed were Gopi K. Podila, the chairman of the
> >> >Department of Biological Sciences, and two other faculty members,
> >> >Maria Ragland Davis and Adriel Johnson.
>
> >> >Two others are in critical condition, and a third who was wounded was
> >> >upgraded to fair condition. The injured were identified as department
> >> >members Luis Cruz-Vera and Joseph Leahy and staffer Stephanie
> >> >Monticello. Their specific conditions were not released.
>
> >> >Sammie Lee Davis said his wife, Maria Ragland Davis, was a researcher
> >> >who had tenure at the university.
>
> >> >In a brief phone interview, he said he was told his wife was at a
> >> >meeting to discuss the tenure status of another faculty member who got
> >> >angry and started shooting.
>
> >> >He said his wife had mentioned the shooter before, describing the
> >> >woman as "not being able to deal with reality" and "not as good as she
> >> >thought she was."
>
> >> >Nick Lawton, the son of a biology professor at the school, said his
> >> >father was not among the victims, but he did not know much more.
>
> >> >Lawton, 25, was exercising when a friend phoned him to tell him about
> >> >the shooting. He called his father, Robert Lawton, and found out that
> >> >he was not hurt, then he let rest of his family know.
>
> >> >"All I know is that my father is OK," Nick Lawton told The Associated
> >> >Press.
>
> >> >Sophomore Erin Johnson told The Huntsville Times a biology faculty
> >> >meeting was under way when she heard screams coming from a conference
> >> >room.
>
> >> >University police secured the building and students were cleared from
> >> >it. There was still a heavy police presence on campus Friday night,
> >> >with police tape cordoning off the main entrance to the university.
>
> >> >The Huntsville campus has about 7,500 students in northern Alabama,
> >> >not far from the Tennessee line. The university is known for its
> >> >scientific and engineering programs and often works closely with NASA.
>
> >> >The space agency has a research center on the school's campus, where
> >> >many scientists and engineers from NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center
> >> >perform Earth and space science research and development.
>
> >> >The university posted a message on its Web site Friday afternoon
> >> >telling students the campus was closed Friday night and all students
> >> >were encouraged to go home. Counselors were available to speak with
> >> >students.
>
> >> >It's the second shooting in a week on an area campus. Last Friday, a
> >> >14-year-old student was killed in a middle school hallway in nearby
> >> >Madison, allegedly by a fellow student.
>
> >> >"This town is unaccustomed to shootings and multiple deaths," Garner
> >> >said.
>
> >> >___
>
> >> >Associated Press Writers Phillip Rawls and Desiree Hunter in
> >> >Montgomery, Ala., and Jacob Jordan and Daniel Yee in Atlanta
> >> >contributed to this report.
>
> >> You are a typical liberal idiot, TMT. Your name should be changed to
> >> "I dropped too many tools on my head". Psych testing is only good for
> >> the moment it is done. It will not tell you ANYTHING about the future
> >> actions of the one tested. Only a moronic liberal (that's you) would
> >> believe that testing will do any good.
>
> >> Jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Psych testing would tell us that you should not own guns.
>
> You're just too stupid for words, TooStupid.
>
> >Good enough for me and the rest of America.
>
> You speak for "the rest of America"? I don't think so, TooStupid.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Only for the limited vocabulary that you have because of your trailer
parc hume skhooling.
TMT

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:55 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 14, 10:40 pm, Ignoramus16496 <ignoramus16...@NOSPAM.
16496.invalid> wrote:
> Most people who "go postal" and murder their colleagues, are not
> previously described as obviosly deranged. Psychological screening,
> constrained by a multitude of complicated legal issues, would never be
> able to identify such people. It is a legal and practical
> impossibility promoted by gun haters.
>
> i

I would disagrre Ig.

Psych testing could be a part of the process of buying a gun.

You take a drivers test and must meet certain medical requirements.

If you are a pilot, you take a test and must pass a physical.

Getting and passing a psych test could be part of the process.

FWIW...I love guns and have a significant number of them.

To me they are just one more specialized tool.

The continued misuse of guns by those who should not have them in the
first place places the rights of responsible gun owners in jepordy.

TMT

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TOPIC: Coating for polished brass
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/45bf22c635bf1547?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 12:36 pm
From: Beryl

Mark Rand wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:44:17 -0800, gk <glkd@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know what material is used to coat polished brass (to prevent
>> tarnishing) such as bathroom fixtures? I appears to be much tougher than
>> clear lacquer. Polyurethane, maybe? Any info will be appreciated.
>>
>> Gary
>
> Chromium plate :-)
>
>
> Mark Rand
> RTFM

Hahahaa! The only coating that lasts.

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TOPIC: Bob Milby, AKA "Patriot Games," Wanker Extraordinaire
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9448916e52058cac?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 1:01 pm
From: Patriot Games

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:00:01 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
<CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:36:43 +0000, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
>wrote:
>> In article <pdben5tl2qbdll2iun46mfr3vq4oodu9su@4ax.com>,
>> Patriot@America.Com wrote:
>>>On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:56:45 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
>>><CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:19:07 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:08:50 +0100 (CET), noauth
>>>>> <anon@remailer.gabrix.ath.cx> wrote:
>>>>>>In article <c7cc1868-a5f5-45c9-a452-
>>>>>>b9222afe406c@b35g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> Too_Many_Tools
>>>>>><too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Well shitbag? Where are they?
>>>>> You were stupid enough to believe him? AAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>>>I've remained silent on this issue for two reasons, I have Klaus
>>>>killfiled and because I was dealing with another usenet wanker, Bob
>>>>Milby, AKA "Patriot Games," who threatened me with death. Nobody
>>>>should ever ignore threats of violence.
>>>Then why do you RUN and HIDE, Coward?
>> .. says the guy who lacks the balls to sign his own name to his posts.
>The same wanker who ran and hid beneath his mama's bed for weeks when
>challenged to carry out his death threat.

Never happenned.

YOU HAVE 48 HOURS TO MAKE A PUBLIC APOLOGY OR I WILL POST YOUR PRIVATE
EMAIL TO ME.

When PG says "BOO!"....

....Curly 'The Coward' Surmudgeon SCREAMS, RUNS AWAY!!

Watch for yourself:

Are you saying that you will now (finally) send your address to an
email that I will provide?

__ Yes, I promise to send my address to your email.
__ No, I am a COWARD and I REFUSE to send my address to your email.

Pick one.

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TOPIC: Soldering small
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 1:05 pm
From: Doug White

Don Foreman <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in
news:m21fn5hu4auuhmkmdug385pmhl0tltmcdl@4ax.com:

>
> Today I putzed with making suitable drive electronics for my
> summertime bug-free yellow LED reading light mentioned here before:
> http://members.goldengate.net/dforeman/yellowlight/
>
> Being retired and somewhat incorrigable, today became more of a
> "wonder if I can" rather than goal-directed activity making any
> rational sense. I don't have to make sense. I'm retired!
>
> I have 150 pcs of LM358 opamp in the mini SO-8 package in my goodiebox
> so I wondered if I could solder leads to one.
>
> I did.
> http://members.goldengate.net/dforeman/yellow_lite_elex/
>
> The wire is #30AWG wire wrap wire, .010" dia. I gobbed some 5-minute
> epoxy on afterwards to add some robustness.
>
> Guess I'm still ahead of the DT's and Parkinson's. Knock on wood!

Nice work! We have only a couple techs at work who are up to "dead-
bugging" stuff that small with #30 wire. They do it fairly often when
someone screws up a layout or needs to add a part to a design.

I made a "part holder" for soldering small surface mount parts a while
back, and I've been thinking about turning it into a "product" for my
retirement. I won't get rich, but it would be fun to make. The actual
bit that holds the part down is currently a chunk of "orange stick". It
tolerates soldering temps, can be sharpened to suit and is disposable.

The catch is that orange sticks aren't ESD approved. I've been trying to
think of something that isn't too pricey that I could replace it with.
It needs to stand up to soldering temps, be static dissipative, and
thermally non-conducting. It should be moderately rigid, but soft enough
that it can be whittled or pointed. Something in ~ 3/16" diameter rod
would be perfect.

Does anyone know if I can buy carbon loaded teflon rod? Any other ideas
for a material?

Thanks!

Doug White

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TOPIC: Palin?s Unfavorability Ratings At All-Time High
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/444787d3bca9ddfe?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 1:08 pm
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in
news:b75jn5t1hug07326ud0sj3qjtk94ar9afg@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:22:51 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> got double secret
> probation for writing:
>
>>Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>news:i18hn59m5jdqukeopu3jd1lptrubkqeqp6@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:22:58 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> got double
>>> secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>>>news:asjen5l3rorov153oqokepem09hnnopefj@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:08:05 -0600, in the land of
>>>>> alt.usenet.kooks, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> got double secret probation for
>>>>> writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>news:du3en5dihkopob0h8nulvg9akieq0jjf3s@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:03:29 -0600, in the land of
>>>>>>> alt.usenet.kooks, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>>>>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> got double secret probation
>>>>>>> for writing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"§nühw¤£f" <snuhwolf@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>news:Xns9D1E67A1C5F8Dsnuhwolfyahoocom@216.196.97.142:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the
>>>>>>>>> waters of pure thought with
>>>>>>>>> news:bgbdn55bmh1lcgm3m8v4ga2rsj9dbojme9@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:49:47 -0600, Neolibertarian
>>>>>>>>>> <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In article <s58dn5ldqpjmfcfop7jsr1ooro6mk55nl4@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:48:36 -0600, Neolibertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>> <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >The country is split into polarized halves. A little over
>>>>>>>>>>>> >half of United States citizens
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Seem to have IQs not much (if any) above 100.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fewer of them are impresed by Palin, rethugs & wingers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>PPOR.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I think you're just making that up.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Of course.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://secularright.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12
>>>>>>>>>> /i q_ c urve.jpg Oddly most rethugs are on the left.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just searching on "Palins favorability ratings" brings up
>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.aolnews.com/the-grid/article/sarah-palin-hits-new-lo
>>>>>>>>> w- in - poll/19354785
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only 37% approval rating.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Then why are you guys so afraid of her? ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only those so desperate to defend her idiotic mouth breathing
>>>>>>> ever make that claim. The rest just laugh at her and laugh at
>>>>>>> those who support her for being taken in by one of the most
>>>>>>> hamfisted grifters to have ever walked the polical stage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually, no, you guys keep bringing her up.....the conservatives
>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, bringing up her hilarious and entertaining antics is fear?
>>>>> Does than mean the whole ET TC schedule is all fear all the times?
>>>>
>>>>Nope, just wondering you don't simply let her fade off into the
>>>>sunset.
>>>
>>> One more time:
>>> "her hilarious and entertaining antics"
>>> You do understand that concept?
>>>
>>>>Is it because she is a woman? A Republican? Has conservative
>>>>values? Or simply because she is dumb. If the latter where is your
>>>>concern and comments about Paris Hilton? ;)
>>>
>>> No, because so many people wish to take her seriously and that just
>>> ups the fun quotient.
>>
>>That's true.
>>
>> Making them run around screaming "You morans iz
>>> skeered of hers" as the sole rationale their simple minds can grasp.
>>>
>>> Writing notes on your hand like you are a 12 year old cheating on a
>>> test is so very scary.
>>>
>>> But fox has come to the rescue, they found some 20 year old tape of
>>> Diane Feinstein with ink on her hand, so Palin is SAVED!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Many conservatives don't support her either. Ergo, if she were
>>>>>>simply dropped as a subject, she would fade from the public scene
>>>>>>in a few short weeks. However, you guys don't want that to
>>>>>>happen, do you.
>>>>>
>>>>> That would make us much smarter than you.
>>>>
>>>>Oh? I doubt that. ;)
>>>
>>> So you imagine having her go away would be good or bad for the left?
>>
>>I really don't care about either side. Just find it amusing how you
>>folks on the left respond to her every move. ;)
>
> So you are amused by people laughing at the grifter?

Yep. Actually, I am laughing at both sides but you only represent one so
that is all you see. ;)

>>>>> *We* want her out in front, the face of the *opposition*.
>>>>
>>>>Ahhhh......
>>>>
>>>>> Fuck, the entertainment value alone is worth it. Getting caught
>>>>> with crib notes on your hand at a speech where you are being paid
>>>>> 100K. You just can't make shit like that up.
>>>>
>>>>Would you have been happier had she used a telepompter?
>>>
>>> I would not care if she did. What is wrong with using a
>>> teleprompter? Specifically explain the negatives of having a
>>> prepared speech on a teleprompter?
>>
>>Why should I? I was the one with the question. ;)
>
> Which I answered and then added my own question.
>
> So what is the negative of using a teleprompter?

Nothing....nor have I claimed one.

>>> Truly one of the stupidest complaints in history. "He uses a
>>> teleprompter!"
>>>
>>> Now, whining about someone using a teleprompter in a speech and then
>>> getting caught with crib notes like a 12 year old, that is
>>> hilarious.
>>
>>I agree.
>>
>>> Crib notes to answer prescreened questions about your "core" values
>>> no less. How stupid is the grifter that she cannot even remember
>>> those formulaic and basic talking points she spews daily?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> The "populist" required a $100,000 speaking fee before she would
>>>>>>> address her adoring morons. They believed she was going to
>>>>>>> "donate it".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Perhaps she did, perhaps she didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Her claim was easily debunked, how she claimed she would donate
>>>>> would have been against campaign finance law.
>>>>
>>>>Whatever.....as I said, it was her business.....anyway, why would it
>>>>be against campaign finance law....she isn't currently running for
>>>>anything. If you spoke and they paid you a fee would you run afoul
>>>>of campaign finance if you gave your fee to the Red Cross?
>>>
>>> You really should actually have a clue about the subject rather than
>>> hypothesizing about what did not occur.
>>
>>You are one arrogant asshole, you know it. You are also pretty close
>>to going back in the Bozo Bin for it. It you wish to debate lets do
>>so. If you wish to simply make inane comments....
>
> Pointing out that you didn't understand the discussion is not my
> problem. Why discuss an issue with someone that is ignorant of the
> issue? Your hypotheticals have nothing to do with reality.

You said if she donated her fee it would be against campaign finance
laws. I asked why since she isn't a candidate. As long she acts as an
individual or contributes to a PAC, she is fine. Ergo, the question
about if you donated to the Red Cross. You aren't a candidate either
IIRC.

>>> The clue: "how she claimed she would donate"
>>
>>She can claim she wishes to do whatever she wants to. She can do with
>>her fees just about anything she wants to......and you seem to have a
>>problem with that. Oh, well......
>
> No, the specific manner was not going to be legal.

That's fair. The fact that she wishes to donate isn't.

Have you missed
> that part? Have you not bothered to relieve your ignorance of the
> facts?
>
>>
>>>>>>In any case, it was her money to do
>>>>>>with as she pleased. Those that contributed to that fee may or
>>>>>>may not have gotten their money's worth, but that is up to them to
>>>>>>decide.....not you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did I say it was?
>>>>
>>>>Where did I claim you did?
>>>
>>> "up to them to decide.....not you."
>>> Did you forget what you wrote? It wqs still there.
>>
>>I see it.....now where does it say that you had decided? I simply
>>said it wasn't your place.... If you are going to whine about
>>something that is said, it would help if you understood it first. ;)
>
> I never said anything to indicate my desire to decide anything for the
> idiots. You were the one that made the statement indicating that I
> was.

Nope, my comment simply said it wasn't your place to decide. I made no
comment as to whether or not you had or whether or not you would.

>>>>> You really need to practice your reading
>>>>> skills.
>>>>
>>>>Seems like that advice could apply to both of us, eh?
>>>
>>> "up to them to decide.....not you."
>>> Really, so do please explain where I claimed it was up to me to
>>> decide how people spent their money. You stated it was not up to me,
>>> but where exactly did I claim I had the right?
>>
>>Again, reading comprehension. I haven't said that you did.
>
> "not you"
> English?
>
> For it to be not up to me, I would have had to first make a claim of
> rights.

Nope.

> Your presumption that I was deciding anything is wrong.

I made no presumption as to that.

> As I
> stated.
> "Where did I say it was?"

Answered....

> Unless you would like to offer an alternative to your presumption the
> statement stands as correct.

Whatever....

>>> Unless you confused the concept of laughing at the idiots with some
>>> action to halt their laughable use of their money.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>That was a statement as to the severe lack of intelligence on
>>>>> the part of her supporters. I am quite pleased they used their
>>>>> funds to support her. Less money for viable candidates in the long
>>>>> run.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Classic wingnut: Inability to differentiate laughing at them
>>>>>>> from laughing with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why describe yourself like that? No self esteem?
>>>>>
>>>>> Classic wingnut: "I know you are but what am I?"
>>>>
>>>>A classic wingnut.
>>>
>>> Have you begun to understand the majority of people laugh at Palin
>>> and are not even slightly afraid of her or are you sticking by your
>>> original concept that somehow the laughter is really fear.
>>
>>Nope, just asked you a question.... You appear unable to really
>>understand it or answer it.
>
> No, you asked a question that was directly answered now and in the
> past. Yet you have stood by your claim that people who laugh at Palin
> are in fact afraid of her.

I did? I asked a question.....either you can answer it or you can't.
Either you are the representative of "you guys" or you aren't.

Facts contrary have failed at any point to
> sway that opinion of yours.

Unless you have followed this thread and seen what I agree with, you have
no idea what my real opinion is.

An opinion when taken to its conclusion
> means that people like Jon Stewart are fearful of the people they
> mock.

Even Stewart doesn't sniff after her every move like a dog in rut.

> Seriously, believing mockery to be fear is stupid.

Yep.....damn, another point in which we are in agreement. Scary shit,
eh? ;)

>>> Using your thought process: Jon Stewart, he is so afraid of so many
>>> things because he is entertained by the "morans" and laughs at them.
>>>
>>>
>
>

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

"Expecting a carjacker, rapist or drug pusher to care that his
possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist
to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces."

--Joseph T. Chew

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