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TOPIC: Cheater's Notes
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 10:49 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:52:35 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
<nunya@bidness.dev.nul> puked:

>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:29:24 -0600, "§nühw¤£f" <snuhwolf@yahoo.com>
>> puked:
>>
>>> "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> clouded the waters of pure
>>> thought with news:vagln5ht34bm93uaafkealh1h278nkg42d@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:29:18 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>> puked:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:17:38 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>> <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:57:26 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> puked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:29 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>>>> <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:55 -0600, Lookout
>>>>>>>> <mrLookout@yahoo.com> puked:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, you're lying again. They admitted they made mistakes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not at first they didn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But they DID.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=napolitano+system+worked&rls=com.mi
>>>>>> crosoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7S
>>>>>> UNA_en
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have fun
>>>>>
>>>>> When you edited out the previous post you lost any chance of a
>>>>> discussion.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't delete it from the internet, genius. I guess I should
>>>> have considered your ADD problem. Anyway, your Obama
>>>> administration said the homeland security worked like clockwork in
>>>> the case of the xmas bomber.
>>>
>>> How did it now work? Who got hurt?
>>
>> The fucking guy brought an explosive on board an airplane. Exactly
>> the thing homeland security is in place to prevent from happening.
>> That's why they confiscate shampoo and mouthwash from little old
>> ladies.
>
>Homeland Security.TSA doesn't screen passengers in Amsterdam.

Homeland Security is responsible for seeing that people don't get on
airplanes with bombs. Clearly this was another guy that "slipped
through the cracks" like the one that shot up the military base.

>
>>
>> The game plan isn't to have some jackass in coach hopping on top of a
>> terrorist and disarming him. The fact that he brought the shit on the
>> plane shows that the system failed.
>
>You could almost as easily argue that it worked. I wouldn't, but you could.
>Passengers aren't the scardy pants they are being made out to be.

Yeah, that's a good thing. For now, if you try something on a jet,
all bets are off. You try lighting your underwear, you better hope
that they wrestle you away from the passengers before you get your
skull beat in.

But I say "for now" because the first time there's a false alarm, the
shit's gonna hit the fan and the "hero" will be sued into another time
zone. After that, people will be a little reluctant to kick ass
without taking names...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:40 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 01:07:46 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:04:46 -0500, Cliff
><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:20:18 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
>><Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/13/2010 10:04 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>> Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/13/2010 7:21 AM, Cliff wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:33:45 -0500, Beam Me Up Scottywrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/12/2010 3:54 AM, Cliff wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:14:45 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No one ever defended Bush
>>>>>>>>> by saying he was a genius, that's the line you guys use for Obama.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Every day it becomes more clear why his school transcripts are
>>>>>>>>> hidden...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm thinking "Harvard" would like you to forget that by now....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harvard was ashamed of bush, not Obama.
>>>>>> That's your free clue for the day. Use it wisely.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you're saying Harvard has two losers in a row to point to?
>>>>
>>>> Quiet a few other "notable" idiots of recent decades come from there.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently it's a hell of a place to make connections to get a boost
>>>> up in politics. Too bad they don't seem to know anything else.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's a giant Frat house for the "special people"
>>
>> Ones with IQs not in the single digits, eh?
>> Plus a few legacies they have to take & tutor
>>it seems.
>> Who am I thinking of?
>
>Flounder?

Close enough, eh?
http://www.iuptown.com/YaleProtest/bushs_yale_transcript.htm
--
Cliff

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:42 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:33:35 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:15:57 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>puked:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:14:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:22:44 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>puked:
>>>
>>>>>Every day it becomes more clear why his school transcripts are
>>>>>hidden...
>>>>
>>>>They are not hidden. You're lying again.
>>>
>>>Ok, prove that I'm a liar and post them. And his thesis, for extra
>>>credit.
>>
>>What does that have to do with Palin writing cheat notes on her hand?
>>
>>YOU stated they are hidden. Prove it.
>>Or were you lying again?
>
>My proof that they are hidden lies in the fact that they can't be
>produced.
>
>Unless of course you can prove that to be wrong...

http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/09/harvard-law-school-confirms-obamas-magna-cum-laudie.html
"Harvard Law School confirms Obama's magna cum laude"

Racist bigot.
--
Cliff

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:44 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:29:18 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
puked:

>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:33:13 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:29:24 -0600, "§nühw¤£f" <snuhwolf@yahoo.com>
>>puked:
>>
>>>"lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> clouded the waters of pure
>>>thought with news:vagln5ht34bm93uaafkealh1h278nkg42d@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:29:18 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>> puked:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:17:38 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:57:26 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:29 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:55 -0600, Lookout
>>>>>>>><mrLookout@yahoo.com> puked:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>No, you're lying again. They admitted they made mistakes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Not at first they didn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But they DID.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.google.com/search?q=napolitano+system+worked&rls=com.mi
>>>>>>crosoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7S
>>>>>>UNA_en
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Have fun
>>>>>
>>>>>When you edited out the previous post you lost any chance of a
>>>>>discussion.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't delete it from the internet, genius. I guess I should
>>>> have considered your ADD problem. Anyway, your Obama
>>>> administration said the homeland security worked like clockwork in
>>>> the case of the xmas bomber.
>>>
>>>How did it now work? Who got hurt?
>>
>>The fucking guy brought an explosive on board an airplane.
>
>Bush was in office on 9/11. What happened there?
>
>> Exactly
>>the thing homeland security is in place to prevent from happening.
>>That's why they confiscate shampoo and mouthwash from little old
>>ladies.
>
>The security problem happened OVER SEAS. He got on a plain IN ANOTHER
>COUNTRY. They don't confiscate there you jackass.
>
>And he had NO BAGGAGE. How could US authorities take ANYTHING?
>
>Care to try again?
>
>You could actually make some points here if you're smart enough.

Nice job being idiotic.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:44 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:33:08 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:

>
>I'd buy that. In fact, I'd buy that REAL easy.

It's the legs, right?
http://www.counterfeitchic.com/Images/Lipstick_pig.jpg
--
Cliff

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:46 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:34:40 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:45:42 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>puked:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:34:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:56:41 -0500, Cliff
>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:14:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:22:44 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>puked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Every day it becomes more clear why his school transcripts are
>>>>>>>hidden...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They are not hidden. You're lying again.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, prove that I'm a liar and post them. And his thesis, for extra
>>>>>credit.
>>>>
>>>> You are a winger so you would try to lie in any case.
>>>>
>>>> Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.
>>>>
>>>> PLUS the Nobel Peace Prize.
>>>>
>>>>HTH
>>>
>>>It does help. By mentioning the Peace Prize that he received right
>>>before sending 30k off to war, it proves all the more that his
>>>accolades are undeserving. Even HE admitted it.
>>
>>So you're not criticizing Obama but the Nobel committee?
>
>Now that you mention it, I'm also criticizing Occidental, Columbia and
>Harvard, as well as the affirmative action process. Thanks for
>clarifying.

How about your ignorant Klanners?
Who washes their sheets?
--
Cliff

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:46 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:28:46 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:34:40 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:45:42 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>puked:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:34:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:56:41 -0500, Cliff
>>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:14:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:22:44 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Every day it becomes more clear why his school transcripts are
>>>>>>>>hidden...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They are not hidden. You're lying again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok, prove that I'm a liar and post them. And his thesis, for extra
>>>>>>credit.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are a winger so you would try to lie in any case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.
>>>>>
>>>>> PLUS the Nobel Peace Prize.
>>>>>
>>>>>HTH
>>>>
>>>>It does help. By mentioning the Peace Prize that he received right
>>>>before sending 30k off to war, it proves all the more that his
>>>>accolades are undeserving. Even HE admitted it.
>>>
>>>So you're not criticizing Obama but the Nobel committee?
>>
>>Now that you mention it, I'm also criticizing Occidental, Columbia and
>>Harvard, as well as the affirmative action process. Thanks for
>>clarifying.
>
>Your blaming a "process"? Fuck you're an idiot.

He's never denied that.
Probably overlooked the lie.
--
Cliff

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:48 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:41:59 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:

>>>Now that you mention it, I'm also criticizing Occidental, Columbia and
>>>Harvard, as well as the affirmative action process. Thanks for
>>>clarifying.
>>
>>Your blaming a "process"? Fuck you're an idiot.
>
>I'm criticizing a process. Am I typing too fast for ya?

An edusation (like knowing things) is a horrid thing
to have, right?
Then they might have facts & reason too.
--
Cliff

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:50 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:46:32 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:

>On 2/15/2010 2:06 AM, Lookout wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:09:16 -0500, Cliff
>> <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:59:05 -0600, "§nühw¤£f" <snuhwolf@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> clouded the waters of pure thought
>>>> with news:hfifn51co8blctv6k072119h5ctv4ae2e0@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:09:46 -0700, Winston_Smith
>>>>> <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since bushco the rate of economic growth in the US is up 12%.
>>>>>>> That's a one-year all-time record IIRC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wouldn't care to post something to support that little claim,
>>>>>> would you?
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't read the papers, do you?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I LIKE CHARTS!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economics/GDP-Growth.aspx?Symbol=USD
>>>>
>>>> ^_^
>>>
>>> I stand corrected.
>>> 12.1 %.
>>>
>>> Never let it be said that I do not admit my errorss !!!
>>
>> It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.
>> Take a bow
>
>
>Just be sure to check your facts and not to wear yourself out with a lot
>of bowing.

I was pretty close, right?
--
Cliff

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:58 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:26:55 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
puked:

>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:02:57 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:29:18 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>puked:
>>
>>>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:17:38 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:57:26 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>puked:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:29 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:24:55 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No, you're lying again. They admitted they made mistakes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not at first they didn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But they DID.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>Prove it.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.google.com/search?q=napolitano+system+worked&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA_en
>>>>
>>>>Have fun
>>>
>>>When you edited out the previous post you lost any chance of a
>>>discussion.
>>
>>I didn't delete it from the internet, genius. I guess I should have
>>considered your ADD problem. Anyway, your
>
>I didn't vote for him. Stop lying.
>
>>Obama administration said
>>the homeland security worked like clockwork in the case of the xmas
>>bomber. Shows how out of touch they, and you, are...
>
>I had no idea that's what you were talking about.
>
>He was wrong, it didn't.
>
>But bush was in office when 9/11 happened, wasn't he? What happened
>there?
>
>BOTH are just as off topic when you look at the subject line. Stop
>fucking whining.

Just for fun I changed the subject line because it bothered you so
much.

HTH
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 12:31 pm
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:44:22 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:

>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:33:08 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>I'd buy that. In fact, I'd buy that REAL easy.
>
> It's the legs, right?
> http://www.counterfeitchic.com/Images/Lipstick_pig.jpg

One of Barry's classier moments.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

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TOPIC: Alabama professor shot her own brother also 20+ years ago
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7bf5eef8b6b4e4fa?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:05 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 16, 11:05 am, Ignoramus21666 <ignoramus21...@NOSPAM.
21666.invalid> wrote:
> On 2010-02-16, Cydrome Leader <prese...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ignoramus21666 <ignoramus21...@nospam.21666.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 2010-02-16, Larry Jaques <ljaq...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:37:29 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus21666
> >>><ignoramus21...@NOSPAM.21666.invalid> scrawled the following:
>
> >>>>the plot thickens
>
> >>>>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870412470457506356135081...
>
> >>> Not just another "liberal with a gun" story, Ig?
>
> >> Looks like she was a big time kook. Her political affiliation would
> >> certainly be an interesting addition to what I know about her.
>
> > yeah, something isn't right about this person.
>
> > It's funny that in retrospect, everybody then states that "OMG so and so
> > was so weird/scary etc", yet until they actually do something over the
> > top, people keep their mouth shut.
>
> I believe that the faculty did not know of her criminal past (killing
> her brother and pipe bombs), so they were not fully aware of who
> they were dealing with.
>
> > So, has anybody here known/worked with any freaks that they called
> > out as nutty BEFORE they did something crazy?
>
> I have not, but I would like to know, as well.
>
> My own thinking on this matter is that there are many more workplace
> kooks and workplace assholes, than there are workplace killers, so
> guessing who will become a killer is difficult.
>
> i- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I would agree that the school did not know.

And apparently neither the people doing the background check on her if
that was her gun.

If that is the case, I am all for better background checks.

TMT

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TOPIC: Barack Obama plans for your gun rights
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/700d9c3b58f2be81?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:06 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Richard W." <raweich@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:nPCdnTgNu6dLQufWnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@molalla.net...
> Taken from;
>
> http://www.nagr.org/brounsurvey1.aspx?roi=echo3-5833058869-3933042-9f6acccb856a622610ae8986fbf6a55c&pid=fs
>
> Congressman Paul Broun's (R-GA) audio briefing on H.R. 45
>
> Please take a few minutes to listen the short audio briefing Rep. Paul
> Broun (R-GA) has recorded for you.
>
> Unless you and I act now, H.R. 45, one of the most draconian gun control
> bills ever introduced, will continue to gain steam in Congress.
>
> That's why it is so important that you take the short Gun Rights Survey
> below.
>
> And after you've completed the survey, please make an emergency
> contribution of $50 or more to the National Association for Gun Rights.

That bill was introduced over a year ago, before Obama was even sworn in,
and it was Bobby Rush who introduced it. It has no co-sponsors and it's
clearly a local politics initiative to deal with the death of a kid on a bus
in Chicago, which raised a local uproar. It took over a year to even make it
to committee. It may never even come *out* of committee, and it surely will
die if it does.

OTOH, if you want to keep feeding the NAGR with your money, I'm sure they'll
periodically make a plea for funds to "fight" this "onerous" bill. Or
they'll write something that says they are. Or something. Maybe.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Dear Sarah Palin
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/49995c2bf299dcdf?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:10 am
From: Cliff

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:11:26 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <od9gn5pb869av90g6836ooic7dph1f79e7@4ax.com>,
>Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:45:33 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <4j6dn55v4g8druvm6r90fm3avhhmjj22og@4ax.com>,
>> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:44:38 +0545, Kadaitcha Man <anon@no.email> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Forged post alert !!
>> >>
>> >> > [quoted text muted]
>> >> >[snip]
>> >> >
>> >> >Humour isn't your strong point, hey. So much so that you have to steal it
>> >> >and post it, uncredited, to usenet.
>> >>
>> >> Uncensored?
>> >> Posted what I got. Tough luck.
>> >
>> >Comprehension isn't your strong suit is it Cliff.
>> >
>> >He said "uncredited"....not "uncensored"
>> >
>>
>> Don't let the draft from your ears blow your pointy foil hat off.
>> http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/bro/lowres/bron1054l.jpg
>
>
>Time for school cliffy..
>And don't lick the bus windows today will you ?

I'm not the one that forges posts (thus lying even more).
Did you "think" you'd not be noticed lying yet again?

How smart was that?

A) Dumber than Palin
B) Dumber than a rock
C) Pretty bright for a winger

Try to pass this one:

[

SUBJ: College Entrance Exam, Football-Player Version

Time Limit: 3 WKS

Name: _____________________________

1. What language is spoken in France?

2. Give a dissertation on the ancient Babylonian Empire with
particular reference to architecture, literature, law and social
conditions -OR- give the first name of Pierre Trudeau.

3. Would you ask William Shakespeare to
___ (a) build a bridge
___ (b) sail the ocean
___ (c) lead an army or
___ (d) WRITE A PLAY

4. What religion is the Pope?
___ (a) Jewish
___ (b) Catholic
___ (c) Hindu
___ (d) Polish
___ (e) Agnostic
(check only one)

5. Metric conversion. How many feet is 0.0 meters?

6. What time is it when the big hand is on the 12 and the little hand
is on the 5?

7. How many commandments was Moses given? (approximately)

8. What are people in America's far north called?
___ (a) Westerners
___ (b) Southerners
___ (c) Northerners

9. Spell: Bush, Carter, and Clinton
Bush: ____________________________________________
Carter: __________________________________________
Clinton: __________________________________________

10. Six kings of England have been called George, the last one being
George the Sixth. Name the previous five:

11. Where does rain come from?
___ (a) Macy's
___ (b) a 7-11
___ (c) Canada
___ (d) the sky

12. Can you explain Einstein's Theory of Relativity?
___ (a) yes
___ (b) no

13. What are coat hangers used for?

14. The Star Spangled Banner is the National Anthem for what country?

15. Explain Le Chateliers Principle of Dynamic Equilibrium -OR- spell
your name in BLOCK LETTERS.

16. Where is the basement in a three story building located?

17. Which part of America produces the most oranges?
___ (a) New York
___ (b) Florida
___ (c) Canada
___ (d) Wisconsin

18. Advanced math. If you have three apples, how many apples do you
have?

19. What does NBC (National Broadcasting Corp.) stand for?

20. The Cornell University tradition for efficiency began when
(approximately)?
___ (a) B.C.
___ (b) A.D.

* You must correctly answer three or more questions to qualify.
]
--
Cliff

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:14 am
From: Cliff

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:32:55 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:

>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>Dear Sarah Palin,

Forging posts just like the winger that you are I note.
Figures.

BTW, Palin has 5 years of college "studying" basketball appreciation.
Or so she claims, right?

Find her transcripts. All of them.

Do you apppreciate basketball too?
--
Cliff

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 12:08 pm
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:31rln5dv1g7q7vn5t851fkljetmtcfq85r@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:11:26 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <od9gn5pb869av90g6836ooic7dph1f79e7@4ax.com>,
>>Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:45:33 -0800, tankfixer
>>> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <4j6dn55v4g8druvm6r90fm3avhhmjj22og@4ax.com>,
>>> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>>> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:44:38 +0545, Kadaitcha Man <anon@no.email>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Forged post alert !!
>>> >>
>>> >> > [quoted text muted]
>>> >> >[snip]
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Humour isn't your strong point, hey. So much so that you have to
>>> >> >steal it and post it, uncredited, to usenet.
>>> >>
>>> >> Uncensored?
>>> >> Posted what I got. Tough luck.
>>> >
>>> >Comprehension isn't your strong suit is it Cliff.
>>> >
>>> >He said "uncredited"....not "uncensored"
>>> >
>>>
>>> Don't let the draft from your ears blow your pointy foil hat off.
>>> http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/bro/lowres/bro
>>> n1054l.jpg
>>
>>
>>Time for school cliffy..
>>And don't lick the bus windows today will you ?
>
> I'm not the one that forges posts (thus lying even more).
> Did you "think" you'd not be noticed lying yet again?
>
> How smart was that?
>
> A) Dumber than Palin
> B) Dumber than a rock
> C) Pretty bright for a winger
>
> Try to pass this one:
>
> [
>
> SUBJ: College Entrance Exam, Football-Player Version
>
> Time Limit: 3 WKS
>
> Name: _____________________________
>
> 1. What language is spoken in France?
>
> 2. Give a dissertation on the ancient Babylonian Empire with
> particular reference to architecture, literature, law and social
> conditions -OR- give the first name of Pierre Trudeau.
>
> 3. Would you ask William Shakespeare to
> ___ (a) build a bridge
> ___ (b) sail the ocean
> ___ (c) lead an army or
> ___ (d) WRITE A PLAY
>
> 4. What religion is the Pope?
> ___ (a) Jewish
> ___ (b) Catholic
> ___ (c) Hindu
> ___ (d) Polish
> ___ (e) Agnostic
> (check only one)
>
> 5. Metric conversion. How many feet is 0.0 meters?
>
> 6. What time is it when the big hand is on the 12 and the little hand
> is on the 5?
>
> 7. How many commandments was Moses given? (approximately)
>
> 8. What are people in America's far north called?
> ___ (a) Westerners
> ___ (b) Southerners
> ___ (c) Northerners
>
> 9. Spell: Bush, Carter, and Clinton
> Bush: ____________________________________________
> Carter: __________________________________________
> Clinton: __________________________________________
>
> 10. Six kings of England have been called George, the last one being
> George the Sixth. Name the previous five:
>
>
> 11. Where does rain come from?
> ___ (a) Macy's
> ___ (b) a 7-11
> ___ (c) Canada
> ___ (d) the sky
>
> 12. Can you explain Einstein's Theory of Relativity?
> ___ (a) yes
> ___ (b) no
>
> 13. What are coat hangers used for?
>
> 14. The Star Spangled Banner is the National Anthem for what country?
>
> 15. Explain Le Chateliers Principle of Dynamic Equilibrium -OR- spell
> your name in BLOCK LETTERS.
>
> 16. Where is the basement in a three story building located?
>
> 17. Which part of America produces the most oranges?
> ___ (a) New York
> ___ (b) Florida
> ___ (c) Canada
> ___ (d) Wisconsin
>
> 18. Advanced math. If you have three apples, how many apples do you
> have?
>
> 19. What does NBC (National Broadcasting Corp.) stand for?
>
> 20. The Cornell University tradition for efficiency began when
> (approximately)?
> ___ (a) B.C.
> ___ (b) A.D.
>
> * You must correctly answer three or more questions to qualify.
>]

Did you pass, Cliff? ;)

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

"Expecting a carjacker, rapist or drug pusher to care that his
possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist
to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces."

--Joseph T. Chew

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TOPIC: Computer power consumption
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:16 am
From: Cydrome Leader

Michael Koblic <mkoblic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since Jim Wilkins mentioned Kill-A-Watt meter here some time ago it came on
> sale at Lee Valley and I got me one. I spent an interesting hour running
> around the house finding out what consumes electricity while plugged in and
> what does not. What surprised me were the computers.
>
> My most recent purchase (Compaq Presario) does this:
>
> Turned off 2.1W
> Booting 60W
> On but quiet 46W
> Asleep 5.8W
> Hibernating 1.7W
>
> My old computer also draws about 3W while supposedly switched off.
>
> So the questions are:
> 1) Why is the computer drawing any power at all when turned off?

computers have soft switches. they are never off, just like a TV that has
a remote control. they use a few watts just sitting there. The power
supplies are on, in a low power mode.

> 2) Why is the power drawn less when hibernating then when switched off?

A 400mW difference is pretty much nothing. A hibernating computer is as
off as they can get while being unplugged. The tolerances of your chinese
power supply before and after warming up could easily cause that
difference.

A computer is a sleep state is more "on" than computer that is off, but
far less active than one that is running and doing stuff.

> 3) What happens to a computer which is turned off and the plug is pulled?

nothing. it uses no power and does nothing.

> 4) What happens with laptops? Do they draw power from their battery
> continuously even when turned off?

yes. they draw power, but it's very very small- far less than the 1.7 to
2.1 watts a desktop might use when soft-off. The amount drawn is so small
it doesn't even matter in real life.

> and...
>
> Why has this stupid Windows Live Mail program suddenly decided to type ?
> instead of a question mark ???

no idea.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:38 am
From: stans4@prolynx.com

On Feb 16, 8:06 am, Jim Wilkins <kb1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 15, 11:57 pm, "Michael Koblic" <mkob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...Kill-A-Watt ...
> > My most recent purchase (Compaq Presario) does this:
>
> > Turned off 2.1W
> > Booting 60W
> > On but quiet 46W
> > Asleep 5.8W
> > Hibernating 1.7W
>
> > My old computer also draws about 3W while supposedly switched off.
>
> > So the questions are: .......
> > --
> > Michael Koblic,
> > Campbell River, BC
>
> In a discussion on alt.energy.homepower someone (Neon John?) wrote
> that they had tested a Kill-A-Watt against lab equipment and found it
> quite accurate, but like any digital instrument you can't trust that
> the accuracy is as good as the resolution. If the 0.01 Amp display
> resolution matches that of the A/D converter (doubtful) then the
> wattage at 120V would change in steps of 1.2W and the real accuracy is
> no better than +/- one step.
>
> > 1) Why is the computer drawing any power at all when turned off?
>
> The circuit that commands the computer to power up when you press the
> momentary-contact power button has to draw some power itself. I
> believe they were designed for lowest cost rather than efficiency. The
> service manual for my Dell Dimension says to press the power button -
> after- unplugging the AC cord to discharge a large capacitor, before
> swapping parts.
>
> > 2) Why is the power drawn less when hibernating then when switched off?
>
> See above. Your 2.1W and 1.7W readings don't really mean that much
> unless you have checked the calibration of that KAW somehow, like with
> a resistor load. Which I don't suggest. Even if you do the cheap
> methods of converting 120 - 240VAC to a small amount of low voltage DC
> can have high power factors.
>
> > 3) What happens to a computer which is turned off and the plug is pulled?
>
> The front-panel button won't turn it on until you restore AC power.
>
> I have a main power strip on the side of this table that cuts off
> everything, slays the energy vampires. (OK, I'm a fan of Joss Whedon's
> work). The UPS and laptop charger are plugged into it, and sometimes a
> soldering iron and small heat gun. The two desktops are on separate
> strips plugged into the UPS. To use one I turn on the main strip, then
> the UPS and let it self-test, then the strip for that computer. Their
> monitors, USB drives, speakers, printers and keyboard lamp more than
> double the power demand.
>
> > 4) What happens with laptops? Do they draw power from their battery
> > continuously even when turned off?
>
> This Latitude doesn't, the batteries stay at 100% when it's shut down
> or in hibernation. Standby does use some battery power.
> I recently had to replace the 2032 CMOS batteries in my 10-year-old
> Compaq laptops. Their main batteries are dead so I run them off AC and
> they wake up from hibernation with no battery installed, usually the
> instant I plug in the charger. Ergo they must not need battery power
> in hibernation. The only symptom of the dead CMOS battery was the 1980
> date.
>
> jsw

Hibernation is basically off with the previous state of the computer
written to disk, so no power needed to maintain that state. It's got
a flag that tells the boot code that it was in hibernation, so it goes
and loads that state up and theoretically, you're back where you
were. Occasionally, the disk write goes haywire and it can't
successfully read the hibernation file, so you end up like you would
from a cold boot. Standby just powers the CPU and peripherals down to
minimum power required, but maintains the memory contents as-is.
Nothing written to disk. If you pull the plug, you've just lost all
open files and changes. I hate standby. The trade-off is the almost
immediate response when resuming, no need to read a hibernation file
or run POST, it just powers up the CPU and disk and starts where it
left off.

Laptops probably draw current when "off", they're checking that power
button just like their big brothers. You could find out how much by
connecting the wall wart power supply to the watt meter, get a not-
connected figure, remove the battery from the laptop and then connect
the power plug to it and get that figure. It isn't going to be much,
might be less than what the wattmeter can read. If the battery is in,
the charger is going to be trickling power into it to keep it charged.

Stan

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TOPIC: Trijicon
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8210cfe1feffd9c3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:15 am
From: Cliff

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:13:36 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <5j9gn594q7be2hsfp4oa23v45ivrfqb2ce@4ax.com>,
>Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:52:18 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> You claim they are lying.
>> >> Where are the false advertising complaints & suits?
>> >
>> >If it bothers you go ahead and file a suit..
>> >I just don't do business with companies that stretch the truth when they
>> >advertize.
>> >
>>
>> But you claim the US military does, right?
>> Is this about bible & superstition verses again?
>
>Who knows what is running around inside your head.. You rarely stay on
>subject from one post to the next.

So you cannot support your claims.
Probably just more winger lies anyway.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Sarah Palin's Google Search Story
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/13f96d4ffbcc13f1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:16 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 01:17:41 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:33:37 -0500, Cliff
><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lWY_KFYcZg
>>
>> LOL
>
>AHAHHAHHA

"How it came about."
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: So which "tea party" are you talking about?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5e31e7d07984c609?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:17 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net> wrote:

>It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
>stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.

You pushing Ex-Lax?
--
Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 11:45 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:1qrln5lnlf88vbktk50p3ljr79k15dtapq@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
> wrote:
>
>>It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
>>stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.
>
> You pushing Ex-Lax?
> --
> Cliff

I think he's upset because she's not supporting the Sons of Timothy McVeigh.
If she isn't itching to kill illegal immigrants or government officials, she
must be a liberal stalking horse.

There are some very weird people out there calling themselves
"conservatives."

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: OT: Liberals, Conservatives, Guns
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/55aad5dba11805d9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 12:02 pm
From: Beryl

Don Foreman wrote:
...
>>> Those inclined to take responsibility for their own wellbeing
>>> react more strongly to threats
>
>> I think you're saying that conservatives react more emotionally.
>
> Not surprising that you'd think that, but that isn't what I said.

What I think is that you prefer to simply say "more strongly" and leave
it at that because that sounds, well, strong! Just like a Clint Eastwood
character, right?

> I also did not politicize it as you seem to feel necessary.

That's what the study was about.

"To test their theory, the researchers recruited 46 adults with strong
political beliefs."

"The study involved 46 Nebraska residents, chosen for having strong
political beliefs from a larger population of randomly selected
individuals."

"John Hibbing of the University of Nebraska and colleagues tested 46
Nebraskans with strong political beliefs on their fear response."

I didn't make it up.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 12:23 pm
From: John Fields

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:36:37 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah>
wrote:

>
>
>"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
>news:l7sjn5tq2n6cie58to4dd12thrd7t1iiu5@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:33:15 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:f84248c1-89a5-4181-ad64-4338b029729e@c16g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> It also causes society to ask the question..."How did this crazy
>>>> conservative get a gun?"
>>>>
>>>> TMT
>>>
>>>Turns out she was an avid 0bama supporter, always talking about him to the
>>>point that she was off-putting to her colleagues.
>>
>> ---
>> And you know that, how???
>>
>> Were you there?
>> ---
>>
>>>It's no wonder they disliked her enough to vote against her tenure.
>>
>> ---
>> And you know that, how???
>>
>> Were you there?
>>
>> JF
>
>I didn't have to be there, I read it in the lib rags.

---
Hmm...

You appear to have nothing but scorn for what you label as "lib", and
yet you reference what you read in their "rags" (another scornful term)
as true.

Sounds to me like you want to cherry-pick as required to support your
position.
---

>Quote:
>"A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a
>third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was "obsessed" with
>President Obama to the point of being off-putting."
>
>http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1232943&srvc=home&position=emailed

---
"He said she said..."

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TOPIC: Puter Prob-Tapping the knowledge base
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f8d2df2ad28424c4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 12:29 pm
From: stans4@prolynx.com

On Feb 15, 4:03 pm, JR North <junkjasonrno...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Have an old Pentium-S ISA puter. Printer problems...
> The BIOS has 12 combinations of port/config settings for the parallel
> port. If the printer cable is disconnected from the printer on boot,
> Bios configures the port properly(cable ok). If booted with the printer
> connected, POST shows no parallel port active. tried all combinations of
> BIOS configs for the port, all same result. The printer (dot
> matrix)works ok on another puter. Reseated port ribbon on the MB.
> Pulling what's left of my hair out. This puter has run several years
> with no printer connected.
> Iders?
> JR
> Dweller in the cellar
>
Did the cable work OK on another machine? Chased my tail several
times because the cable died. Haul the printer into the shop, hook it
up, no failure, haul it back, hook it up, doesn't work. Didn't take
the cable back along with the printer.

On some MBs, the header has no polarization for those ribbon
connectors, make sure you're putting it on the right way 'round. On
some older MBs, that can burn out the port, sends power through the
chip to a dead short. Also, did the parallel port cable come with the
MB? There's no real standards for those header connections, another
brand could, and usually did, use different pins for different
signals. Later machines had the parallel port firmly bolted to the MB
and soldered in, no possibility for mistakes.

Since it's a dot matrix, it probably doesn't do the bidirectional
thing like much later lasers and inkjets. What you want to set the
BIOS to is the original AT parallel port specs, you'll have to look
those up, I really don't remember. And turn off any of the fancy
stuff. You'll have a hex I/O address, an IRQ and a third parameter
related to bidirectional stuff. That's the one that needs to be
turned off or set to none or whatever your choice is. Usually the
default setting is for the first printer, if you can discover what
that is. Printer IRQs usually don't share too well, either

If the port is toast, you can probably find an ISA parallel card from
a recycler or surplus joint for cheap. If you've got no slots, but DO
have USB, there are USB->Printer cables available. I paid $10 for
mine, works on all OSes I have that support USB. Was just plug and
play, no fiddling around with IRQs or anything. Box saw the Laserjet,
loaded drivers and away we went. I'd recommend that route instead of
parallel ports, those printer cables run about $30 around here, the
converter cable was way cheaper. Inland was the brand name, from
Microcenter. Make sure the onboard port is disabled if you go that
route, you don't want conflicts.

Stan

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