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TOPIC: Steel recomendations for bandsaw axle
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/2dfeaa151fa87496?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:19 pm
From: John

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "john"<amdinc@intergrafix.net> wrote in message
> news:9Oednafvo7PGkubWnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> "Wes"<clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>> news:y7b%m.292775$mn3.78829@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>> "Ed Huntress"<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yup, that's been my experience with it, too. I use it because I happen
>>>>> to
>>>>> have a couple of bars of normalized 4140 that were given to me, and
>>>>> I've
>>>>> used it for a number of little shaft jobs, turning it with what is
>>>>> probably
>>>>> M2 -- my ancient stash of Crucible Rex (no number) -- on a 64-year-old
>>>>> South
>>>>> Bend 10L, with a rocker (lantern) toolpost. It cuts nicely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is 41L40 much different that 4140? Reason I asked, is I ordered a piece
>>>> of that to make
>>>> something and got impatient when I saw it wasn't going to make it to me
>>>> until 1/4/2010. I
>>>> really hate turning 1.25" dia stock into 9/16" dia stock but I didn't
>>>> feel
>>>> like waiting.
>>>> 12L14 is a joy btw.
>>>>
>>>> Wes
>>>
>>> 'Don't know about it, Wes, and I've never machined it. If it's as
>>> advertised, it must be something like 12L14 is to 1214.
>>>
>>> If you try it, please let us know how it is.
>>>
>>
>>
>> 41L40 has lead in it to make machining easier. It is not recommended to
>> weld because of the lead. 4140 can be easy or hard to cut depending on
>> the sulfur content. I think the max allowable sulfur is .2% The more
>> sulfur the harder it is to weld it, but the easier it is to machine it. If
>> you get a piece with no sulfur in it machining will be miserable.
>>
>> John
>
> Huh. It's interesting that a strict alloy like 4140 would allow enough
> difference in sulfur to have much effect on machineability. It's not
> something I have a lot of experience with, and most that I've turned
> probably all came from the same batch.
>

I learned about the sulfur from hard experience. I was running a job
making pins from 4140 and the job was going good. I would make about 500
at a run. Well one run was giving me a lot of grief. busting inserts,
not holding size, and a bunch of other problems. I tested the hardness
and checked the certs. I had the metal assayed and it agreed with the
certs papers. The only thing different in this batch of material was
that it had absolutely no sulfur content in it. ( it came from Romania)
I guess the sulfur gives the necessary lubrication to make cutting it
easy.

John

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:34 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"John" <amdinc@intergrafix.net> wrote in message
news:RpWdnQQRtv2g2ebWnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "john"<amdinc@intergrafix.net> wrote in message
>> news:9Oednafvo7PGkubWnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>> "Wes"<clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:y7b%m.292775$mn3.78829@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>> "Ed Huntress"<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup, that's been my experience with it, too. I use it because I
>>>>>> happen
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have a couple of bars of normalized 4140 that were given to me, and
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> used it for a number of little shaft jobs, turning it with what is
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> M2 -- my ancient stash of Crucible Rex (no number) -- on a
>>>>>> 64-year-old
>>>>>> South
>>>>>> Bend 10L, with a rocker (lantern) toolpost. It cuts nicely.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is 41L40 much different that 4140? Reason I asked, is I ordered a
>>>>> piece
>>>>> of that to make
>>>>> something and got impatient when I saw it wasn't going to make it to
>>>>> me
>>>>> until 1/4/2010. I
>>>>> really hate turning 1.25" dia stock into 9/16" dia stock but I didn't
>>>>> feel
>>>>> like waiting.
>>>>> 12L14 is a joy btw.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes
>>>>
>>>> 'Don't know about it, Wes, and I've never machined it. If it's as
>>>> advertised, it must be something like 12L14 is to 1214.
>>>>
>>>> If you try it, please let us know how it is.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 41L40 has lead in it to make machining easier. It is not recommended to
>>> weld because of the lead. 4140 can be easy or hard to cut depending on
>>> the sulfur content. I think the max allowable sulfur is .2% The more
>>> sulfur the harder it is to weld it, but the easier it is to machine it.
>>> If
>>> you get a piece with no sulfur in it machining will be miserable.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> Huh. It's interesting that a strict alloy like 4140 would allow enough
>> difference in sulfur to have much effect on machineability. It's not
>> something I have a lot of experience with, and most that I've turned
>> probably all came from the same batch.
>>
>
>
> I learned about the sulfur from hard experience. I was running a job
> making pins from 4140 and the job was going good. I would make about 500
> at a run. Well one run was giving me a lot of grief. busting inserts, not
> holding size, and a bunch of other problems. I tested the hardness and
> checked the certs. I had the metal assayed and it agreed with the certs
> papers. The only thing different in this batch of material was that it had
> absolutely no sulfur content in it. ( it came from Romania) I guess the
> sulfur gives the necessary lubrication to make cutting it easy.
>
>
> John

Yes, and it doesn't take much sulfur. There are two ways to introduce it
into a steel alloy, and one method, called "microalloying," produces a big
gain in machineability with small amounts of sulfur. But it doesn't just
happen by dumping in some sulfur. I don't remember what the microalloying is
all about, but it requires a specific process.

Lead and bismuth are other elements added to improve machineability. And
some screw-machine stock, made for applications where lead and sulfur can't
be tolerated, gets a machineability boost from the addition of calcium. In
the late '70s, calcium-containing alloys became popular for making a lot of
automobile parts.

--
Ed Huntress

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:57 pm
From: John

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Wes"<clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:7hHen.298087$N07.225936@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>> "Ed Huntress"<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Wes"<clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>> news:y7b%m.292775$mn3.78829@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>> "Ed Huntress"<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yup, that's been my experience with it, too. I use it because I happen
>>>>> to
>>>>> have a couple of bars of normalized 4140 that were given to me, and I've
>>>>> used it for a number of little shaft jobs, turning it with what is
>>>>> probably
>>>>> M2 -- my ancient stash of Crucible Rex (no number) -- on a 64-year-old
>>>>> South
>>>>> Bend 10L, with a rocker (lantern) toolpost. It cuts nicely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is 41L40 much different that 4140? Reason I asked, is I ordered a piece
>>>> of that to make
>>>> something and got impatient when I saw it wasn't going to make it to me
>>>> until 1/4/2010. I
>>>> really hate turning 1.25" dia stock into 9/16" dia stock but I didn't
>>>> feel
>>>> like waiting.
>>>> 12L14 is a joy btw.
>>>>
>>>> Wes
>>>
>>> 'Don't know about it, Wes, and I've never machined it. If it's as
>>> advertised, it must be something like 12L14 is to 1214.
>>>
>>> If you try it, please let us know how it is.
>>
>>
>> I think I'm going to turn it into bolts for my RGG gatling gun. I turned
>> some 1144 today
>> at work. That was pretty nice to work with.
>
> Now, what in the HELL are you going to do with a Gatling gun? Are you doing
> Civil War re-enactments, or are you joining the Michigan Militia?<g>
>
>>
>> Not sure how this thread got brought back to life.
>
> Somebody just checks in every once in a while, probably.
>

It was me not paying attention to the dates of the last post. The
bandsaw axle sort of got my attention. I bought a DoAll model C-80 out
of the scrap yard for 400 bucks a while ago and had to make new spindles
for it. The bearings had spun on the axles and they had to be replaced
as well as the bearings. The metal I used was from some of the scrap
of the pins I made of the 4140. I still have a barrel full of the out
of tol. pins accumulated over the years. I just used another piece today
to make up a lathe chuck wrench. By the way to get a good finish on the
metal you have to take at least ten thou. per side and turn at least 300
ft/min.

John

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TOPIC: OT: Barack Obama plans for your gun rights
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/700d9c3b58f2be81?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:20 pm
From: Conscience

On 2010-02-16 17:12:56 -0800, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> said:

>> How many earmarks are in the bill?
>
> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:
>
> If you find any, let us know.

Gotta love it. Earmarks from left-wing douche bags (redundancy alert)
in bills that rape the Constitution are okay.

But earmarks in a bill to defend SCOTUS-decided rights are anathema.

Fucking moronic Dem Party.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:27 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
news:hlfg9p$lc4$1@news.albasani.net...
> On 2010-02-16 17:12:56 -0800, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net>
> said:
>
>>> How many earmarks are in the bill?
>>
>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:
>>
>> If you find any, let us know.
>
> Gotta love it. Earmarks from left-wing douche bags (redundancy alert) in
> bills that rape the Constitution are okay.
>
> But earmarks in a bill to defend SCOTUS-decided rights are anathema.
>
> Fucking moronic Dem Party.

Did you find any earmarks in H.R. 45? Or did your hammer come down on an
empty pan?

--
Ed Huntress

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:36 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b7b45e8$0$22521$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
> "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
> news:hlfg9p$lc4$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2010-02-16 17:12:56 -0800, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net>
>> said:
>>
>>>> How many earmarks are in the bill?
>>>
>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:
>>>
>>> If you find any, let us know.
>>
>> Gotta love it. Earmarks from left-wing douche bags (redundancy alert) in
>> bills that rape the Constitution are okay.
>>
>> But earmarks in a bill to defend SCOTUS-decided rights are anathema.
>>
>> Fucking moronic Dem Party.
>
> Did you find any earmarks in H.R. 45? Or did your hammer come down on an
> empty pan?
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

Looks like the elected barnacles are really excited about the legislation:

ALL ACTIONS:
introduced 1/6/2009
Sponsor: Rep Rush, Bobby L.
Cosponsors (None)
1/6/2009: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
Latest Major Action:
2/9/2009: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland
Security.
The bill's covered with shit and nobody's ever going to touch it. Nobody.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:50 pm
From: Conscience

On 2010-02-16 17:27:04 -0800, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> said:

>
> "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
> news:hlfg9p$lc4$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 2010-02-16 17:12:56 -0800, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net>
>> said:
>>
>>>> How many earmarks are in the bill?
>>>
>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:
>>>
>>> If you find any, let us know.
>>
>> Gotta love it. Earmarks from left-wing douche bags (redundancy alert) in
>> bills that rape the Constitution are okay.
>>
>> But earmarks in a bill to defend SCOTUS-decided rights are anathema.
>>
>> Fucking moronic Dem Party.
>
> Did you find any earmarks in H.R. 45? Or did your hammer come down on an
> empty pan?

I didn't ask the question, and wasn't the OP.

So sorry, asshole.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 6:43 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:nKHen.83404$Fe4.15672@newsfe21.iad...
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4b7b45e8$0$22521$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
>> news:hlfg9p$lc4$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> On 2010-02-16 17:12:56 -0800, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net>
>>> said:
>>>
>>>>> How many earmarks are in the bill?
>>>>
>>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:
>>>>
>>>> If you find any, let us know.
>>>
>>> Gotta love it. Earmarks from left-wing douche bags (redundancy alert)
>>> in bills that rape the Constitution are okay.
>>>
>>> But earmarks in a bill to defend SCOTUS-decided rights are anathema.
>>>
>>> Fucking moronic Dem Party.
>>
>> Did you find any earmarks in H.R. 45? Or did your hammer come down on an
>> empty pan?
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>
>
> Looks like the elected barnacles are really excited about the legislation:
>
> ALL ACTIONS:
> introduced 1/6/2009
> Sponsor: Rep Rush, Bobby L.
> Cosponsors (None)
> 1/6/2009: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
> Latest Major Action:
> 2/9/2009: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland
> Security.
> The bill's covered with shit and nobody's ever going to touch it. Nobody.

As we've said, there's no way this bill is going to pass. The only thing
it's going to do is to suck up some donations to the NAGR from people who
aren't paying attention.

--
Ed Huntress

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 7:00 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
news:hlfi1i$nil$1@news.albasani.net...
> On 2010-02-16 17:27:04 -0800, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net>
> said:
>
>>
>> "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
>> news:hlfg9p$lc4$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> On 2010-02-16 17:12:56 -0800, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net>
>>> said:
>>>
>>>>> How many earmarks are in the bill?
>>>>
>>>> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:
>>>>
>>>> If you find any, let us know.
>>>
>>> Gotta love it. Earmarks from left-wing douche bags (redundancy alert)
>>> in
>>> bills that rape the Constitution are okay.
>>>
>>> But earmarks in a bill to defend SCOTUS-decided rights are anathema.
>>>
>>> Fucking moronic Dem Party.
>>
>> Did you find any earmarks in H.R. 45? Or did your hammer come down on an
>> empty pan?
>
> I didn't ask the question, and wasn't the OP.
>
> So sorry, asshole.

So, it was an empty pan. What were the "earmarks" you were talking about
then?

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Cheater's Notes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/575dd2a6a3913041?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:31 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

"Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:h7eln55j64qhb2n5bf1dqhfb8mkoj2khig@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:02:46 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah>
> wrote:

> His presidency isn't over. Stop being an ass.

Silly asshat. I didn't ask him to post the accomplishments that he hasn't
accomplished yet. We already know what those are.

I just want him to post 6 or 7 of the Presidential accomplishments that he
already has accomplished, as claimed on TV.

I find it hard to believe that he was so mesmerized by 0bama's good looks
and tight ass, that he didn't hear any of the many, many accomplishments. I
only wanted Hack to list say, the first 6 or 7.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 6:38 pm
From: Lookout

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:02:46 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:52:51 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>puked:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:44:20 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:23:38 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>puked:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:01:11 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:27:20 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>puked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:15:09 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:00:38 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:41:59 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:28:46 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:34:40 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:45:42 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:34:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:56:41 -0500, Cliff
>>>>>>>>>>>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:14:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:22:44 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Every day it becomes more clear why his school transcripts are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hidden...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They are not hidden. You're lying again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ok, prove that I'm a liar and post them. And his thesis, for extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>credit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are a winger so you would try to lie in any case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUS the Nobel Peace Prize.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HTH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It does help. By mentioning the Peace Prize that he received right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>before sending 30k off to war, it proves all the more that his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>accolades are undeserving. Even HE admitted it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>So you're not criticizing Obama but the Nobel committee?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Now that you mention it, I'm also criticizing Occidental, Columbia and
>>>>>>>>>>>Harvard, as well as the affirmative action process. Thanks for
>>>>>>>>>>>clarifying.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Your blaming a "process"? Fuck you're an idiot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm criticizing a process. Am I typing too fast for ya?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You can't. A 'process' doesn't name things. Entities do, dumbass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A process is a series of events that are executed in a certain way.
>>>>>>>You don't think that's something that could be criticized?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You weren't specific about what so, no.
>>>>>
>>>>>I didn't specifically say "the affirmative action process"?
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, you're a troll...
>>>>
>>>>No, you didn't.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now that you mention it, I'm also criticizing Occidental, Columbia and
>>>>>>>>>>Harvard, as well as the affirmative action process. Thanks for
>>>>>>>>>>clarifying.
>>>
>>>Troll.
>>
>>Nah..you're just pissed you lost again.
>
>Ya know, I don't think you're a world class asshole or anything, but
>I'm gonna take a week break from your trolling. Don't bother
>responding until then because you're in time out.

IOW he got his ass handed to him

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 6:40 pm
From: Lookout

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:31:42 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah>
wrote:

>
>
>"Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:h7eln55j64qhb2n5bf1dqhfb8mkoj2khig@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:02:46 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah>
>> wrote:
>
>> His presidency isn't over. Stop being an ass.
>
>Silly asshat. I didn't ask him to post the accomplishments that he hasn't
>accomplished yet. We already know what those are.
>
>I just want him to post 6 or 7 of the Presidential accomplishments that he
>already has accomplished, as claimed on TV.

It's an asinine request and not worthy of a response.
>
>I find it hard to believe that he was so mesmerized by 0bama's good looks
>and tight ass, that he didn't hear any of the many, many accomplishments. I
>only wanted Hack to list say, the first 6 or 7.

He's not. You're just an ass.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 6:59 pm
From: "Sid9"

"Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fnlmn5du121sh52nlvoqfj414pv6mimsi6@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:31:42 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:h7eln55j64qhb2n5bf1dqhfb8mkoj2khig@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:02:46 -0600, "Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> His presidency isn't over. Stop being an ass.
>>
>>Silly asshat. I didn't ask him to post the accomplishments that he hasn't
>>accomplished yet. We already know what those are.
>>
>>I just want him to post 6 or 7 of the Presidential accomplishments that he
>>already has accomplished, as claimed on TV.
>
> It's an asinine request and not worthy of a response.
>>
>>I find it hard to believe that he was so mesmerized by 0bama's good looks
>>and tight ass, that he didn't hear any of the many, many accomplishments.
>>I
>>only wanted Hack to list say, the first 6 or 7.
>
> He's not. You're just an ass.
/.
.
Here's six:

1. Restored stem cell research funding
2. Increased the VA budget
3. Reduced interest on college loans
4. More Pell grants for students
5. Restored Pay-Go that Republicans killed
6. American investment and Recovery Act

There are many more..... see if schmucko can look some up himself

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TOPIC: Computer power consumption
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8aeb6e09f365ba73?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:37 pm
From: Bruce L. Bergman

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:06:35 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
<kb1dal@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 15, 11:57 pm, "Michael Koblic" <mkob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...Kill-A-Watt ...
>> My most recent purchase (Compaq Presario) does this:
>>
>> Turned off 2.1W
>> Booting 60W
>> On but quiet 46W
>> Asleep 5.8W
>> Hibernating 1.7W
>>
>> My old computer also draws about 3W while supposedly switched off.
>>
>> So the questions are: .......
>> --
>> Michael Koblic,
>> Campbell River, BC
>
>In a discussion on alt.energy.homepower someone (Neon John?) wrote
>that they had tested a Kill-A-Watt against lab equipment and found it
>quite accurate, but like any digital instrument you can't trust that
>the accuracy is as good as the resolution. If the 0.01 Amp display
>resolution matches that of the A/D converter (doubtful) then the
>wattage at 120V would change in steps of 1.2W and the real accuracy is
>no better than +/- one step.

Switching Mode power supplies are going to throw a monkey wrench in
those accuracy tests. You have to test for that specifically.

>> 1) Why is the computer drawing any power at all when turned off?
>
>The circuit that commands the computer to power up when you press the
>momentary-contact power button has to draw some power itself. I
>believe they were designed for lowest cost rather than efficiency. The
>service manual for my Dell Dimension says to press the power button -
>after- unplugging the AC cord to discharge a large capacitor, before
>swapping parts.

You are also supplying power to the Real Time Clock chip so you
don't run down the lithium battery on the motherboard, and the LAN
card and it's "Wake On LAN" circuit used on certain industrial use
machines - print spoolers and the like.

Some computers are also set up to power-up or wake-up when the phone
on the modem rings, or power the modem and answer the line while the
computer is still booting/waking. So it can sleep or hibernate and
still be used as a fax machine, or be remotely polled at 2 AM in a
business setting.

>> 2) Why is the power drawn less when hibernating then when switched off?
>
>See above. Your 2.1W and 1.7W readings don't really mean that much
>unless you have checked the calibration of that KAW somehow, like with
>a resistor load. Which I don't suggest. Even if you do the cheap
>methods of converting 120 - 240VAC to a small amount of low voltage DC
>can have high power factors.

It's a switching-mode power supply, and you might be getting
anomalous low or high readings at those low power levels. Do a little
research on "Q Factor" where power panels with large numbers of
computers burn up the neutral wires and the busbars in the panels.

The power supplies take little nibbles out of each cycle and the
cumulative current on the neutral is higher than the power phase draw
- they don't balance out like normal phase-neutral loads, because each
computer is taking it's nibble at a different moment in the cycle.

More prevalent on 120/208V 3-phase panels. They make special panels
and special "High Q Factor" 480V to 120/208V transformers with
double-sized neutral bussing to handle this. And you double-up the
neutral conductors or bus-bars between them.

>> 3) What happens to a computer which is turned off and the plug is pulled?
>The front-panel button won't turn it on until you restore AC power.
>
>I have a main power strip on the side of this table that cuts off
>everything, slays the energy vampires. (OK, I'm a fan of Joss Whedon's
>work). The UPS and laptop charger are plugged into it, and sometimes a
>soldering iron and small heat gun. The two desktops are on separate
>strips plugged into the UPS. To use one I turn on the main strip, then
>the UPS and let it self-test, then the strip for that computer. Their
>monitors, USB drives, speakers, printers and keyboard lamp more than
>double the power demand.

All well and good, but you'll be changing the CMOS battery more
often. Better than the old days, when the battery was molded into the
RTC chip, and you have to replace the whole thing.

Okay to kill the power totally to all the other peripherals, but
leave the computer itself plugged in. Plus, you want it to be turned
on overnight at least once a week - especially on Patch Tuesdays, when
Mickeysoft tries to plug all the holes.

I just let it run, they seem to live a whole lot longer that way. So
it costs a few pennies a day, big whoop.

>> 4) What happens with laptops? Do they draw power from their battery
>> continuously even when turned off?
>
>This Latitude doesn't, the batteries stay at 100% when it's shut down
>or in hibernation. Standby does use some battery power.
>I recently had to replace the 2032 CMOS batteries in my 10-year-old
>Compaq laptops. Their main batteries are dead so I run them off AC and
>they wake up from hibernation with no battery installed, usually the
>instant I plug in the charger. Ergo they must not need battery power
>in hibernation. The only symptom of the dead CMOS battery was the 1980
>date.

They use a tiny bit too, but they have better power management.

--<< Bruce >>--

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 6:14 pm
From: "Michael Koblic"

"Howard Eisenhauer" <howarde@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:vf7mn5lo0rn92oajbb9vli9hak5ir496cd@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:57:04 -0800, "Michael Koblic"
> <mkoblic@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Snip*
>>
>>Why has this stupid Windows Live Mail program suddenly decided to type É
>>instead of a question mark ÉÉÉ
>
> Votre clavier lui-même remis à "français", la mienne est-ce que
> parfois (Win 7).

Mon clavier did it only in Windows Live Mail - in the word processor it was
"anglais". And stopped doing it once I closed down and restarted the WLM.
Personally, I think WLM is un morceau de merde for many other reasons. Not
as good as the old Outlook Express.

But c'est la vie!

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC
- Diploma in Franglais - failed

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 6:25 pm
From: "Michael Koblic"

"Bruce L. Bergman" <bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6qgmn5ttvmn9fk0np004l1b4frbauqceho@4ax.com...

<snip>

> Okay to kill the power totally to all the other peripherals, but
> leave the computer itself plugged in. Plus, you want it to be turned
> on overnight at least once a week - especially on Patch Tuesdays, when
> Mickeysoft tries to plug all the holes.
>
> I just let it run, they seem to live a whole lot longer that way. So
> it costs a few pennies a day, big whoop.

It took me a couple of weeks before I managed to stop the bloody thing
waking me up when it felt like it, so no, thanks. It can jolly well patch
when I tell it to. It's not just MS that wants to run when it pleases -
others seem to want to do so, too.

The worst was the Window Media Centre: It was waking up every morning doing
its thing and because the software was loaded wrong in the factory, there
was no way to access it. After spending two hours on the phone with HP
support I had to re-load the whole thing including all the programs I put on
myself. I was not best pleased.

I guess you buy cheap crap you gotta expect these things. I would not have
bought it if were not for the good reviews.

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

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TOPIC: Sorta OT... Metal Shipping Containers (Ocean) Anyone?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:07 pm
From: "Paul Hovnanian P.E."

Joe AutoDrill wrote:
>
> Anyone have a good source for full sized shipping containers at a decent
> cost or donation to a charity?
>
> Looking for one or two that are still able to be shipped (good condition) to
> send overseas for a charity in a few months...

Overseas where?

What with the recent economic downturn, its likely that the recuced
demand for shipping has left a few of these strewn around the globe. Its
cheaper to find one near the intended destination than to have one
shipped (unless you can put stuff in it that's got to go there anyway).

--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, "Let there be Light."
And there was still nothing, but you could see it.

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TOPIC: CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:48 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012
By Michael O'Brien - 02/16/10 01:35 PM ET
52 percent of Americans said President Barack Obama doesn't deserve
reelection in 2012, according to a new poll.

44 percent of all Americans said they would vote to reelect the president in
two and a half years, less than the slight majority who said they would
prefer to elect someone else.

Obama faces a 44-52 deficit among both all Americans and registered voters,
according to a CNN/Opinion Research poll released Tuesday. Four percent had
no opinion.

The reelection numbers are slightly more sour than Obama's approval ratings,
which are basically tied. 49 percent of people told CNN that they approve of
the way Obama is handling his job, while 50 percent disapprove.

Still, the 2012 election is still a long way's away, with this fall's
midterm elections looming large. Republicans are hoping to make inroads into
Congress, while Democrats are hoping to hold onto gains won in the 2006 and
2008 cycles.

Respondents to CNN were split at 46 percent as to whether they preferred a
generic Republican or Democratic candidate in this fall's elections.

At least one retiring lawmaker is confident Obama will sail to reelection,
with Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) predicting Monday the president would win
"overwhelmingly" in 2012.

The CNN poll, conducted Feb. 12-15, has a three percent margin of error.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/81213-52-say-obama-doesnt-deserve-reelection-

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 6:15 pm
From: "Existential Angst"

"Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote in message
news:4b7b4af6$1@news.x-privat.org...
> CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012
> By Michael O'Brien - 02/16/10 01:35 PM ET
> 52 percent of Americans said President Barack Obama doesn't deserve
> reelection in 2012, according to a new poll.

Heh, he might have to give back his Nobel peace prize, as well...

Re-election.... by then, sheeit, we'll all be so mindfucked -- and
broke -- and I'll proly be so addle-brained **I** might vote for Palin....
And in '08, everytime I saw Palin, I gave the Obamarama mo' money, mo'
money, and mo' money!!

But hear this: If/when Michelle runs for Prez, sheeit, I'll apply to be her
man-servant..... holy shit.....
--
EA

>
>
> 44 percent of all Americans said they would vote to reelect the president
> in two and a half years, less than the slight majority who said they would
> prefer to elect someone else.
>
> Obama faces a 44-52 deficit among both all Americans and registered
> voters, according to a CNN/Opinion Research poll released Tuesday. Four
> percent had no opinion.
>
> The reelection numbers are slightly more sour than Obama's approval
> ratings, which are basically tied. 49 percent of people told CNN that they
> approve of the way Obama is handling his job, while 50 percent disapprove.
>
> Still, the 2012 election is still a long way's away, with this fall's
> midterm elections looming large. Republicans are hoping to make inroads
> into Congress, while Democrats are hoping to hold onto gains won in the
> 2006 and 2008 cycles.
>
> Respondents to CNN were split at 46 percent as to whether they preferred a
> generic Republican or Democratic candidate in this fall's elections.
>
> At least one retiring lawmaker is confident Obama will sail to reelection,
> with Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) predicting Monday the president would win
> "overwhelmingly" in 2012.
>
> The CNN poll, conducted Feb. 12-15, has a three percent margin of error.
>
> http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/81213-52-say-obama-doesnt-deserve-reelection-

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TOPIC: Loyalists try to block Kennedy Miniseries
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:51 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

Kennedy Miniseries Stirs Controversy

By DAVE ITZKOFF
Published: February 16, 2010

A new mini-series about John F. Kennedy's presidency that is being prepared
by the History channel does not yet have a cast or a premiere date. Not a
frame of footage has been shot. It does, however, have prominent critics who
want it brought to a halt.

The critics, including Theodore C. Sorensen, a former Kennedy adviser, say
they have read the scripts for the project and that those contain errors of
fact and emphasis. But like a similar controversy over a 2003 television
film about Ronald Reagan, the dispute over the embryonic Kennedy series
seems to say as much about the enduring place of the Kennedys as a
battleground in the culture wars as it does about history itself.

The mini-series, called "The Kennedys," is the brainchild of Joel Surnow, a
creator of the Fox action show "24" and an outspoken political conservative.
That raised alarms among Kennedy partisans when the History channel said in
December that it would pick up the project.

Now a documentary filmmaker who makes no secret of his liberal politics is
releasing an Internet video in which Kennedy scholars say the scripts offer
a portrait of the president and his family that is, at best, inaccurate, and
at worst, a hatchet job.

"It was political character assassination," the filmmaker, Robert Greenwald,
said of the screenplays in a telephone interview. "It was sexist titillation
and pandering, and it was turning everything into a cheap soap opera of the
worst kind." Mr. Greenwald said he is hoping that his 13-minute video and an
accompanying petition, at stopkennedysmears.com, will take on lives of their
own on the Web. A title card at the film's conclusion reads: "Tell the
History Channel I refuse to watch right-wing character assassination
masquerading as 'history.' "

The charges come as a surprise to the members of the production team behind
"The Kennedys," who say that the scripts for the eight-part series are still
being rewritten, and that criticism of the project is premature.

"Next year, when it's done and it's on the air, if people want to criticize
it, so be it," said Stephen Kronish, the screenwriter of "The Kennedys," who
said he identifies himself as a liberal Democrat. "But at this stage of
evolutionary development it seems that Greenwald's agenda becomes all the
more obvious."

Given the r�sum�s of the players in the debate it is understandable why
everyone sees agendas everywhere. On one side is Mr. Surnow, an Emmy
Award-winning producer and friend of prominent conservatives like Rush
Limbaugh. During Mr. Surnow's tenure as executive producer, his hit series
"24" was criticized for its seemingly permissive attitude toward torture.

On the other side is Mr. Greenwald, the founder of the advocacy media
company Brave New Films, who has created documentaries like "Outfoxed:
Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism," a condemnation of the Fox News Channel,
and "Iraq For Sale: The War Profiteers."

Before turning to nonfiction films Mr. Greenwald was a director and producer
of made-for-television movies. From his contacts in that industry - agents,
managers, casting directors, location scouts - he said he began receiving
copies of "The Kennedys" scripts this year. He then recruited a group of
historians to appear in his video, including Mr. Sorensen and Nigel
Hamilton, whose 1992 best seller "J.F.K.: Reckless Youth" was criticized by
the Kennedy family.

They say the "Kennedys" screenplays contain many factual errors, some benign
and others less so. For example, they say the scripts refer to exit polling
for the 1960 presidential election when exit polling had not yet been
invented; and that President Kennedy introduced the Peace Corps during the
Bay of Pigs crisis in April 1961, when in fact he signed an executive order
creating the corps one month earlier.

Beyond this, they say the scripts invent scenes that never occurred, like an
exchange that suggests Kennedy came up with the idea for the Berlin Wall. As
Mr. Sorensen bluntly says in the video, "Every single conversation with the
president in the Oval Office or elsewhere in which I, according to the
script, participated, never happened."

In another scene cited, a Secret Service agent approaches the president
while he is having sex in a pool with a young woman who is not his wife; in
yet another, the president asks his brother Robert, "What do you do when you're
horny?" and tells him that if he doesn't have sex with unfamiliar women
"every couple of days I get migraines."

In short, "The Kennedys" "does everything in its power to demean and make
them quite disgusting figures," Mr. Greenwald said. "No network or cable
channel has ever done anything anywhere close to this, in the way in treats
a president."

But the debate around "The Kennedys" recalls a similar flare-up around the
mini-series called "The Reagans" that CBS was to show in 2003. In that case
the network canceled its planned broadcast after conservatives criticized
the project - before it was shown, and based on scripts and portions of the
film. The conservatives complained about depictions of Ronald Reagan as
being insensitive to AIDS victims, and that Nancy Reagan was shown as being
reliant on a personal astrologer. ("The Reagans" later played on Showtime,
the cable channel.)

Mr. Kronish, the "Kennedys" screenwriter, said that the History channel's
standards for producing its mini-series are more rigorous than the broadcast
networks', and that his finished scripts will require bibliographic
annotations and legal vetting before filming proceeds. He also said that he
was drawing upon nonfiction works, including books by Seymour Hersh, Robert
Dallek, David Talbot and others. "If I'm wrong," he said, "I guess all of
them are wrong."

Mr. Kronish acknowledged that some factual details, like the date that the
Peace Corps was established, were changed for concision or dramatic license,
but not with malicious intent.

"This is not a documentary," he said. "It is a dramatization." As its
author, Mr. Kronish said, it was his job to "take these people off the dusty
pages of history and make them come alive."

"We do not go into this with an agenda other than to be factually accurate
and entertaining," he said. "The rest of it, let the chips fall where they
may."

David McKillop, the senior vice president of programming and development for
the History channel, said that Mr. Kronish had already begun submitting
annotated drafts of his scripts, and that the channel stands by their
accuracy.

Mr. Greenwald said that he was not seeking to censor the History channel.

"Anyone has a right to do whatever they want," Mr. Greenwald said. "I would
never suggest that History channel doesn't have a right. What I'd suggest is
something called the History channel should not be doing political
propaganda."

Mr. Kronish, for his part, said that he was "not out to destroy the sacred
cow" of the Kennedy presidency, but that in being faithful to history, the
mini-series would necessarily contain elements that might upset Kennedy
adherents.

President Kennedy "was part of my youth and the first president I was aware
of," he said. "But there are things that are part of their story and aren't
admirable, because they were human."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/arts/television/17kennedy.html

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TOPIC: Springsteen, Fonda, James Taylor, Carly Simon: F U 0bama!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 5:57 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

http://www.amazon.com/No-Nukes-Various-Artists/dp/B000002H48

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TOPIC: On 0bama's watch:: TSA catches 4 year old terrorist
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 6:05 pm
From: "Burled Frau"

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_region/20100215_Daniel_Rubin__Another_case_of_TSA_overkill.html

Another case of TSA overkill

By Daniel Rubin
Inquirer Columnist

Just when I thought I was out of the Transportation Security Administration
business for a few columns, they pull me back in.

Did you hear about the Camden cop whose disabled son wasn't allowed to pass
through airport security unless he took off his leg braces?

Unfortunately, it's no joke. This happened to Bob Thomas, a 53-year-old
officer in Camden's emergency crime suppression team, who was flying to
Orlando in March with his wife, Leona, and their son, Ryan.

Ryan was taking his first flight, to Walt Disney World, for his fourth
birthday.

The boy is developmentally delayed, one of the effects of being born 16
weeks prematurely. His ankles are malformed and his legs have low muscle
tone. In March he was just starting to walk.

Mid-morning on March 19, his parents wheeled his stroller to the TSA
security point, a couple of hours before their Southwest Airlines flight was
to depart.

The boy's father broke down the stroller and put it on the conveyor belt as
Leona Thomas walked Ryan through the metal detector.

The alarm went off.

The screener told them to take off the boy's braces.

The Thomases were dumbfounded. "I told them he can't walk without them on
his own," Bob Thomas said.

"He said, 'He'll need to take them off.' "

Ryan's mother offered to walk him through the detector after they removed
the braces, which are custom-made of metal and hardened plastic.

No, the screener replied. The boy had to walk on his own.

Leona Thomas said she was calm. Bob Thomas said he was starting to burn.

They complied, and Leona went first, followed by Ryan, followed by Bob, so
the boy wouldn't be hurt if he fell. Ryan made it through.

By then, Bob Thomas was furious. He demanded to see a supervisor. The
supervisor asked what was wrong.

"I told him, 'This is overkill. He's 4 years old. I don't think he's a
terrorist.' "

The supervisor replied, "You know why we're doing this," Thomas said.

Thomas said he told the supervisor he was going to file a report, and at
that point the man turned and walked away.

A Philadelphia police officer approached and asked what the problem was.
Thomas said he identified himself and said he was a Camden officer. The
Philadelphia officer suggested he calm down and enjoy his vacation.

Back home in Glassboro a week later, Bob Thomas called the airport manager
and left her what he calls a terse message.

He was still angry enough last week to call me after I'd written a couple of
columns about travelers' complaints of mistreatment by screeners at the
airport.

"This was just stupid," he told me.

At the very least, it was not standard procedure.

On Friday, TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis said the boy never should have been
told to remove his braces.

TSA policy should have allowed the parents to help the boy to a private
screening area where he could have been swabbed for traces of explosive
materials.

She said she wished Thomas had reported the matter to TSA immediately. "If
screening is not properly done, we need to go back to that officer and offer
retraining so it's corrected."

Davis also said TSA's security director at the airport, Bob Ellis, called
Thomas last week to apologize. He gave Thomas the name of the agency's
customer service representative, in case he has a problem at the airport in
the future.

Afterward, Thomas said he appreciated Ellis' call. He said he had no
interest in pursuing the matter further or in filing a lawsuit.

"I'm just looking for things to be done right," he said. "And I just want to
make sure this isn't done to anyone else. Just abide by your standard
operating procedures."

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TOPIC: Injection molding forum?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 6:34 pm
From: "Karl Townsend"

>>I could probably help out a little Ed.
>>I've done a lot of things but one of them was 30 years designing and
>>building injection molds.
>
> I have a post-grad certificate in plastic injection mold design, but
> John would probably be a better bet.

I've got a few years under my belt running injection mold presses. Only
complete hydraulic, no toggles. Mostly on HPM and Cincinnati. My focus was
on running them faster, adding pickers, going to runnerless molds, etc. Not
much prototype work.

Karl

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TOPIC: FS -- 275 amp Pipeline Welder, Continental 163 engine
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 6:41 pm
From: Ignoramus21666

On 2010-02-17, Bruce L Bergman <bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tempting, but the road trip to Chicago wrecks the prospects. (Last
> time I figured it, $2,500 for gasoline alone LA-Cleveland-LA.)
>
> And I'd have to rebuild my flatbed single-axle trailer to get it
> home, you can't take that rig on the freeway.

Yes, shipping will kill the deal.

The trailer actually tows better on the highway than on other roads,
because highways are smoother.

>>Funny story about gas powered, trailer welders. I borrowed my dad's one day
>>to work on my race car, before I owned a welder. Taking back to dad, the
>>tongue decided to break off. Nice thing about it, that the welder is self
>>powered. Cranked up the welder on the side of a street in Berkeley, CA and
>>rewelded the tongue. Always figured the local's would have complained about
>>welding without a special permit.
>
> Please tell me it has safety chains between the welder chassis and
> the tow vehicles that are run through rings on the drawbar...
>
> Those 4-tire "farm trailer" style can be street towed, but no
> springs means slow and easy. They are not stable if you get it moving
> too fast.
>
> Check with your state, if they are 'construction equipment' that is
> not normally driven/towed on the street they don't necessarily need
> plates and tags.

I believe that this is the case, this is a trailer with a small piece
of equipment (welder) bolted to it. Needs lights, yes, but no
license.

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TOPIC: Threading on Hardinge DV59?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 16 2010 6:45 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-02-16, Jamie <jamespage01@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the comments everyone.
> Ned -
> The lathe has a turret, but I just bought a tailstock for it also.
> I will definitely follow your advice and get a die holder - I think
> Hardinge made one for the turret that has some sort of quick release/
> retract gizmo - need to look into it further.
>
> The limiting factor on designing a system to make custom / unusual
> threads is that the lathe only goes down to 200 rpm. I might have to
> make some auxillary drive system that you can engage with the regular
> transmission in neutral. Probably a fools errand, but it might be
> funto try anyway.

Well ... I do 5.8-27 threads in brass at 850 RPM with no
problems with my Clausing 12x24" and a bed turret with a 1" Geometric
die head and the proper chasers.

The real problem is that for *unusual* threads, you first have
to find the chasers for that thread. You can custom order them but
after a few different unusual threads it might be cheaper to get another
lathe with a leadscrew and quick-change gearbox. :-) Figure perhaps
$150.00 or so for a custom set of chasers -- and they'll ask you want
material you want to thread so they can make the chasers with the right
rake in addition to everything else.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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