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TOPIC: Cheater's Notes
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:05 am
From: Lookout

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 07:40:52 -0800 (PST), Tater Gumfries
<tater@kernsholler.net> wrote:

>On Feb 8, 4:03 pm, "Sid9" <s...@belsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Sarah "Palm Pilot" read her entire speech word for word from paper on the
>> lectern.
>
>Typically, that's what Obama does too -- read his speech. Difference
>is, he can speak intelligently off the cuff too. Imagine Palin having
>a sit down with Democrats askin her hard questions.
>
>Tater

She tried that with Katie Couric and ABC's Gibson..and we all got to
see exactly what she can do when speaking off the cuff. She's a
fucking idiot.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:06 am
From: "John R. Carroll"

Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2009/02/12/obamas-pre-approved-press-list-last-getting-notice

"pre-approved journalists", not questions.

--
John R. Carroll

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:08 am
From: Lookout

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:19:00 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
(Gray Ghost) wrote:

>Tater Gumfries <tater@kernsholler.net> wrote in news:bf627b5c-82bd-4341-9e9d-
>02552e13021b@l26g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Feb 8, 4:03 pm, "Sid9" <s...@belsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Sarah "Palm Pilot" read her entire speech word for word from paper on the
>>> lectern.
>>
>> Typically, that's what Obama does too -- read his speech. Difference
>> is, he can speak intelligently off the cuff too. Imagine Palin having
>> a sit down with Democrats askin her hard questions.
>>
>> Tater
>>
>
>Ask him to pronounce "corpsman". IMO he sounded about as stupid and
>uneducated as an inner city dropout.

You never complained when bush screwed up nuclear. Why?

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:10 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:52:43 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
puked:

>On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:15:54 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:06:20 -0500, Cliff
>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>
>>>On 8 Feb 2010 07:15:01 -0600, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbrown@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>>news:s7mvm59ig2tga227km7phfvgumcfasapcn@4ax.com...
>>>>> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>>>>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>>>
>>>>Six words, stupid. A good speaker uses notes, not like a certain jackass
>>>>we know who can't give a speech without a TelePrompter. At least Palin
>>>>doesn't need to lug one of those around everywhere she goes.
>>>
>>> A written speach is one thing.
>>> IIRC Even Lincoln had written down his Gettysburg Address.
>>> Simple Q & A is quite another.
>>>
>>> Or are you claiming it was a put-up fraud & she could not even
>>>remember four lines?
>>
>>Have you EVER done any public speaking?
>
>I have. I used to MC promotion and retirement parties while in the
>Army. Never once had to write something on my hand. In fact It think
>it's an utterly juvenile thing to do. When my daughter was young she'd
>write phone numbers on her had and I made her stop. It's an absolutely
>asinine thing to do.
>And to be honest the cheaters in school did it easily when ever they
>wanted. The DUMB kids wrote on their hands and got caught. And that's
>what she is..the dumb kid in class who got caught cheating.

Maybe if the speech changes from time to time, a few bullet points
might be in order. But congratulations on being some kinda version of
the Sham-Wow guy.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:40 am
From: grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
news:N4Wdneec9MkdOezWnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com:

> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2009/02/12/obamas-pre-appr
> oved-press-list-last-getting-notice
>
> "pre-approved journalists", not questions.
>

And you point is what? That the sheep will challenge the shepherd?

--
God, guns and guts made America great.

And Janet Napolitano nervous.

Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 11:13 am
From: "John R. Carroll"

Gray Ghost wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in
> news:N4Wdneec9MkdOezWnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>
>>
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2009/02/12/obamas-pre-appr
>> oved-press-list-last-getting-notice
>>
>> "pre-approved journalists", not questions.
>>
>
> And you point is what? That the sheep will challenge the shepherd?

No.
Obama selectively calls on journalists, unlike Palin, who cribs answers to
pre-approved questions from a single group of friendly questioners.

--
John R. Carroll

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 11:23 am
From: No-bammer

Jeff M wrote:

> No-bammer wrote:
>
>> Cliff wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>> [
>>> This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
>>> http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-notes-on-her-hand/
>>>
>>> She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved questions.
>>> And there
>>> are actually human beings walking around who think she should be
>>> President.
>>> Wow...E
>>> ]
>>
>>
>> What notes. Looked like subjects to talk about without any help from a
>> teleprompter. Liberal are truly ignorant fools. Buckwheat has a lot
>> more than subjects wrote down on his teleprompter. Buckwheat could
>> have had any number of subjects wrote down on hand, paper etc. and he
>> still wouldn't have known what to say without his teleprompter.
>
>
> It's funny how some Rightards will buy into this sort of spin. Ignorant
> people who are so gullible and eager to unquestioningly swallow and
> regurgitate lies and spin, such as the birther scam, which is why
> corporate manipulation of the electorate with sophisticated and heavily
> funded media campaigns is such a worry. Slickly packaged and endlessly
> repeated lies will drown out both truth and reason, being far more
> palatable and digestible to the intellectually hapless and easily misled
> voters they are targeted to, i.e., those who are simply unprepared and
> unequipped to sort out the facts from the coming tidal wave of lies.

I believe you are describing left wing wackos like yourself.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 11:24 am
From: No-bammer

rangerssuck wrote:

> On Feb 9, 9:48 am, No-bammer <no-bam...@fgi.net> wrote:
>
>>Cliff wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036226
>>> "Sarah Palin Reads Cheat Notes Off Her Hand:"
>>>[
>>>This would be funny if it weren't also pretty sad:
>>>http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/sarah-palin-reads-cheat-note...
>>>She had to do this, despite only accepting pre-approved questions. And there
>>>are actually human beings walking around who think she should be President.
>>>Wow...E
>>>]
>>
>>What notes. Looked like subjects to talk about without any help from a
>>teleprompter. Liberal are truly ignorant fools. Buckwheat has a lot more
>>than subjects wrote down on his teleprompter. Buckwheat could have had
>>any number of subjects wrote down on hand, paper etc. and he still
>>wouldn't have known what to say without his teleprompter.
>
>
> Excuse me, but who is this "Buckwheat" you keep referring to?

I think you know.

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TOPIC: Home of the Free, the Brave and the Gay
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e498f6bd3200ff6e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:10 am
From: Lookout

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:34:33 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <78p1n55as75m53if6tdjki2onh3a7surul@4ax.com>,
>mrLookout@yahoo.com says...
>>
>> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:35:23 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <hkp9rn$o3s$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> >CurlySurmudgeon@live.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:19:15 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <hko2ui$ejp$5@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> >> > CurlySurmudgeon@live.com says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:19:59 -0800, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > In article <hklkvq$ka9$3@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> >> >> > CurlySurmudgeon@live.com says...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:35:05 -0800, tankfixer
>> >> >> >> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > In article <elism5ppqor452cvvbq2ao7sg91lg3hbcu@4ax.com>,
>> >> >> >> > mrLookout@yahoo.com says...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:15:58 -0800, tankfixer
>> >> >> >> >> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >In article <hthrm557sros14sreabtsk8jpjb1f78ba6@4ax.com>,
>> >> >> >> >> >mrLookout@yahoo.com says...
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:59:51 -0800, tankfixer
>> >> >> >> >> >> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <n64qm5d1g9vhmu93uvmip3d5m8r5snrb6p@4ax.com>,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >mrLookout@yahoo.com says...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:48:57 -0800, tankfixer
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <Xns9D16783E5B805hopewell@216.196.97.130>, "RD
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >(The Sandman)" says...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Beam Me Up Scotty
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <Then-Destroy-Everything@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> news:4b6c496f$0$6035
>> >> $ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 2/5/2010 12:24 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 3, 11:53 pm, tankfixer
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> In article <b7a5d4f6-1ca1-4167-bfc1-
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> 5c83d77af...@a5g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> too_many_to...@yahoo.com says...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Both homo and hetrosexuality are normal...check the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> science.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Last time I checked a hetrosexual couple can
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> reporduce by having sex.. A homosexual couple
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> cannot..
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Do you think it normal a species would evolve in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> such a manner as to not be able to reproduce itself
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> ?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> When was the military's mission reproduction of the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> species?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please stay on topic.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> TMT
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > *So the military has a mission* , and you say that
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > mission is more important than social functions like
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > reproduction?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Doesn't that mean that anything including making Gays
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > happy, and reproduction of heterosexuals are NOT the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > mission and therefore the Military is not obliged to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > make any special social allowances for reproduction
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > sexual behavior or NON reproductive sexual behavior
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > that would in any way disrupt or impede any part of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the MISSION of keeping America safe.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If the DNR and the EPA and other Government agencies
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > are willing to take years to do a study an owl or a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > rat to secure their safety and then ban any
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > improvement that would risk the goal of their
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > reproduction and survival.... then we deserve at
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > least the same consideration before you force the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > MILITARY to allow GAYS and GAY marriages, and Gay sex
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in the Barracks, and GAY parades, in the military.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gays have been in the military for decades. Hell I was
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in the military in the 50s and early 60s, gays were
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> there. We mostly didn't give a damn as long as they
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> could cover our six. If they could do that and shoot
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> straight, we didn't care if they were green, black,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> white, hetero or homo. We did joke about the "Velvet
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Club" but as long as it stayed to itself, no problem.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kind of an informal "Don't ask, don't tell", although we
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> always had a pretty good idea who was a member and who
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wasn't.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Pretty much how it works nowdays.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> And how would you know?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Since I am currently serving and you are not who would you
>> >> >> >> >> >> >think knows ?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Prove it.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Go look me up in AKO.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Never heard of it. I've been out since 85.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Then you arn't nearly as smart as you think you are..
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > AKO, Army Knowledge Online
>> >> >> >> > https://www.us.army.mil/
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Why should USAF, Navy, Marine or Coast Guard personnel be aware of
>> >> >> >> Army shit?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Only the stupid ones ignore what other services are doing. Shall we
>> >> >> > include you in that count ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Then you should be able to tell us, without looking it up, what the
>> >> >> AIM-9X is for, define the E-8C J-STARS program and the purpose of DD
>> >> >> Form 2900 is.
>> >> >
>> >> > AIM-9X is the latest version of the Sidewinder missle. It uses an all
>> >> > aspect sensor and IIRC has a range of around 10 or 12 NM
>> >> >
>> >> > The E-8 program is an offshoot of the AWACS concept that allows the USAF
>> >> > to provide ground surveillance over a large area. A prototype was used
>> >> > in Desert Storm to provide movement info on Iraqi forces.
>> >> >
>> >> > Don't know the form, most soldiers, sailors or airmen don't know the
>> >> > forms used by their service unless they happen to personally use it.
>> >> >
>> >> > But a DD form would cover all components.. You obviously looked up what
>> >> > it is since it's not a form that would have been in use during your
>> >> > service.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> It is stupid to assume others have the same intimate knowledge as
>> >> >> specialized personal. You've shown your stupidity repeatedly. I do
>> >> >> not care to be categorized with your ilk.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is stupid is to assume that service members don't know of where to
>> >> > go find the information they need.
>> >>
>> >> True. Stop making that assumption.
>> >>
>> >> > Right at the bottom of the AKO login page are links to the other
>> >> > branches..
>> >> > And at the bottom of THEIR login pages are links to each service.
>> >>
>> >> Which is where you found the info above.
>> >
>> >You mean to answer your questions ?
>> >No, other than looking up the form out of curiosity the other two I
>> >answered from memory.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> And it is stupid to assume ex-service members give a shit about what the
>> >> Army is doing, what their programs are or what they think.
>> >
>> >my invitation to visit AKO was extended to the OP who thinks I never
>> >served.
>> >If it bothers you then feel free to butt out.
>>
>> And as you were told we BOTH got a bad certificate warning. I'm not
>> going to go there.
>
>Poor baby..
>
>>
>> Still waiting for proof.
>
>You couldn't get into AKO even if you did go to the site, they don't let
>posers like you in

Posers? I have no need to go there.
And you still have no proof. You've proven you don't have any first
hand military experience repeatedly.

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TOPIC: Low speeds - any disadvantages?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6bc7cd3f77e41b75?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:10 am
From: Dudley Simons

Dave H. wrote:
> Not strictly model engineering (motorbike engineering and supercharging!),
> but...
>
> About to arrange a trip to the next town to look at a medium-sized lathe
> (English, geared head 6.5/13" x 40", 20" into gap although the spindle
> bore's too small for e.g. fork stanchions, has a non-working suds pump and
> tank etc.) and may consider it if it's in reasonable shape, one concern is
> the speed range - 8 speeds from 30 - 750 RPM - and whether the low top speed
> is going to cause problems? The only issue I can think of (other than slow
> removal of material when cutting!) is that may be a bit slow for
> small-diameter work in work-hardening materials, but as this would be my
> first lathe since college over 30 years ago any hints and tips would be
> appreciated!
>
> Another concern is that the quadrant lever and clutch knob for the sliding
> and cross power feeds (ooh, luxury....) appear to be missing - I've a fair
> idea how they (should) work and aptitude enough to rebuild car and 'bike
> gearboxes, so is this going to be a serious can of worms should there be
> problems with 'em? They were manufactured into the 70's and fairly popular
> (if a bit pricey new...) and had spares support into the 90's so there may
> be spares still around... Famous Last Words?
>
> As manufactured it's Imperial, and bikes seem to all be Metric these days -
> apart from threading (which may need a 127 gear or similar made if it has
> gone missing over the last 50 years), am I making a rod for my own back by
> not going for a Metric lathe? I have a bunch of Metric (and Imperial)
> measuring tools and can probably remember 40 thou = 1 mm...
>
> I should be able to see/hear it running so can check for noisiness and slop
> in the bearings, head, QC 'box etc., and I'll be able to check the ways and
> see what tooling's with it, anything else that I should be checking? Apart
> from how much trouble I'm going to get from SWMBO, of course...
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave H.

One small detail - how much do they want for it and how much will it
cost you to move it?

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:25 am
From: "Dave H."

"Dudley wrote...
> One small detail - how much do they want for it and how much will it cost
> you to move it?

They'll deliver at cost (having big wagon and being all of 8 miles
away...) - and a reserve of £200 on it, which ain't bad if it's all there
and working! Just off to see if it is.... And whether it'll fit in the shed
:)

Dave H.
--
(The engineer formerly known as Homeless)

"Rules are for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise men" -
Douglas Bader

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:36 am
From: Don Foreman

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:24:56 -0000, "Dave H."
<hopefuldave_doesnt_eat_spiced_ham@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Not strictly model engineering (motorbike engineering and supercharging!),
>but...
>
> About to arrange a trip to the next town to look at a medium-sized lathe
>(English, geared head 6.5/13" x 40", 20" into gap although the spindle
>bore's too small for e.g. fork stanchions, has a non-working suds pump and
>tank etc.) and may consider it if it's in reasonable shape, one concern is
>the speed range - 8 speeds from 30 - 750 RPM - and whether the low top speed
>is going to cause problems? The only issue I can think of (other than slow
>removal of material when cutting!) is that may be a bit slow for
>small-diameter work in work-hardening materials, but as this would be my
>first lathe since college over 30 years ago any hints and tips would be
>appreciated!
>
> Another concern is that the quadrant lever and clutch knob for the sliding
>and cross power feeds (ooh, luxury....) appear to be missing - I've a fair
>idea how they (should) work and aptitude enough to rebuild car and 'bike
>gearboxes, so is this going to be a serious can of worms should there be
>problems with 'em? They were manufactured into the 70's and fairly popular
>(if a bit pricey new...) and had spares support into the 90's so there may
>be spares still around... Famous Last Words?
>
>As manufactured it's Imperial, and bikes seem to all be Metric these days -
>apart from threading (which may need a 127 gear or similar made if it has
>gone missing over the last 50 years), am I making a rod for my own back by
>not going for a Metric lathe? I have a bunch of Metric (and Imperial)
>measuring tools and can probably remember 40 thou = 1 mm...
>
>I should be able to see/hear it running so can check for noisiness and slop
>in the bearings, head, QC 'box etc., and I'll be able to check the ways and
>see what tooling's with it, anything else that I should be checking? Apart
>from how much trouble I'm going to get from SWMBO, of course...
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Dave H.

My lathe has speeds up to 1000 RPM in "low range" and up to 2000 in
high range -- but the high range doesn't work (RPC too small to start
it) and I've not missed it in over 10 years of use. I very rarely
use the 1000 rpm setting.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 11:06 am
From: "basilisk"

"Dave H." <hopefuldave_doesnt_eat_spiced_ham@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Jmdcn.36646$En7.25203@newsfe07.ams2...
> Not strictly model engineering (motorbike engineering and supercharging!),
> but...
>
> About to arrange a trip to the next town to look at a medium-sized lathe
> (English, geared head 6.5/13" x 40", 20" into gap although the spindle
> bore's too small for e.g. fork stanchions, has a non-working suds pump and
> tank etc.) and may consider it if it's in reasonable shape, one concern is
> the speed range - 8 speeds from 30 - 750 RPM - and whether the low top
> speed is going to cause problems? The only issue I can think of (other
> than slow removal of material when cutting!) is that may be a bit slow for
> small-diameter work in work-hardening materials, but as this would be my
> first lathe since college over 30 years ago any hints and tips would be
> appreciated!
>
> Another concern is that the quadrant lever and clutch knob for the sliding
> and cross power feeds (ooh, luxury....) appear to be missing - I've a fair
> idea how they (should) work and aptitude enough to rebuild car and 'bike
> gearboxes, so is this going to be a serious can of worms should there be
> problems with 'em? They were manufactured into the 70's and fairly popular
> (if a bit pricey new...) and had spares support into the 90's so there may
> be spares still around... Famous Last Words?
>
> As manufactured it's Imperial, and bikes seem to all be Metric these
> days - apart from threading (which may need a 127 gear or similar made if
> it has gone missing over the last 50 years), am I making a rod for my own
> back by not going for a Metric lathe? I have a bunch of Metric (and
> Imperial) measuring tools and can probably remember 40 thou = 1 mm...
>
> I should be able to see/hear it running so can check for noisiness and
> slop in the bearings, head, QC 'box etc., and I'll be able to check the
> ways and see what tooling's with it, anything else that I should be
> checking? Apart from how much trouble I'm going to get from SWMBO, of
> course...
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave H.
> --
> (The engineer formerly known as Homeless)
>
> "Rules are for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise men" -
> Douglas Bader
>
The slow speed will be of a concern with small parts, but it may be possible
to increase
the motor sheave size or even drive the motor with a vfd.

I'm not familiar with this particular lathe but one other concern might be
the minimum
feed speed, some of the older slow lathes wouldn't feed less than .010",
(even much more in big machines) , it may be tedious to do fine finish work.
YMMV, and for the price it would still be a good deal.

basilisk

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 11:08 am
From: "Karl Townsend"

> My lathe has speeds up to 1000 RPM in "low range" and up to 2000 in
> high range -- but the high range doesn't work (RPC too small to start
> it) and I've not missed it in over 10 years of use. I very rarely
> use the 1000 rpm setting.

Don, I'm surprised. For the small parts with perfect finish that you make,
I'd frequently be up to the top 4000 rpm on my 10EE or 4500 rpm on my CHNC.
I stayed at lower rpm for years till "the kid" taught me to "run that
machine". He was used to having 10K at his disposal.

Karl

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:15 am
From: Lookout

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 07:12:45 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
<CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:17:40 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:31:32 -0500, Zombywoof <fishwings@live.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:29:30 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
>>><CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:17:45 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:04:29 -0500, Cliff
>>>>> <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN07113352 "Study links sugary
>>>>>> soft drinks to pancreas cancer"
>>>>>>[
>>>>>>* Regular soda drinkers had 87 percent higher risk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>* Theory is that sugar fuels tumors
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100208/sc_livescience/
>>>>beermaybegoodforyourbones
>>>>>
>>>>> Beer May Be Good For Your Bones
>>>>>
>>>>> That's BONES gummer, not boner. You still won't be able to get it up
>>>>> with a Viagra and nude pictures of Barbara Bush.
>>>>
>>>>Wow, viagra and nude barbara bush. That's like snorting lines and
>>>>taking a quaalude.
>>>>
>>>Dude; you are waaay show your age.
>>>
>>>Livein on Red's Vitamin C & Cocaine!
>>
>> And of course zombie still thinks we had a "Nazi" salute in 1892
>> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>
>Please, something to wipe the image of a nude Barbara Bush from my
>fevered mind. Got any ludes?

That's an old one I haven't used for years. I see it still works

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:18 am
From: Winston

On 2/9/2010 9:18 AM, David Courtney wrote:
> The Wisconsin DOT just sent out a flyer with my license plate renewal,
> claiming "Crash statistics show that roundabouts reduce fatal crashes by
> about 90%, reduce injury crashes about 75%, and reduce overall crashes by
> about 35% when compared to other types of intersection control."
> www.wisconsinroundabouts.gov
> "Today's roundabouts are much smaller than the "traffic circles" of
> earlier years."

About 82.54% of statistics are made up on the spot, though.

--Winston

--
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:23 am
From: Cross-Slide <3t3d@centurytel.net>

On Feb 9, 10:05 am, Joe788 <joemama...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 11:54 pm, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Leading Surfcam VAR for the San Diego area now gone.
>
> > With 20 plus years in the business he has this to say:
>
> >http://www.performancecadcam.com/
>
> You're too stupid to realize that he's literally insulting YOU by
> writing that.
>
> Your stupidity knows no bounds.

Joe,
It is poor sportsmanship to foul someone else line. Right when they
are playing a HUGE sucker too..
He was going to reel him in and get a trophy.
Like the time the little nutjob p1ssed all over himself telling
everyone that he was the " L'Enfant Terrible " What a hoot!
Don't spoil the next one now, OK?

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:24 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:05:35 -0600, F. George McDuffee
<gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
<snip>
>While it is true that many of these problems are the result of
>long standing practices going back many years, it is also true
>that the Obama administration did not make the required
>regulatory changes, pounding these up the banker's nose [I said
>NOSE] with a 10 pound maul as required during the 18 months since
>the collapse of Lehman Brothers.
>
>(1) A new super Glass-Steagall-Volker act has not been enacted.
>(2) Derivatives and commodity trading/speculation are still
>largely unregulated.
>(3) A "small enough to fail" market share and capitalization cap
>on financial institutions including banks and insurance companies
>has not been imposed.
<snip>
===========
I have received several off-list emails on this observation.

Todays Wall Street Journal has an article that parallels this.
See
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703630404575053514188773400.html
<
Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:56 am
From: F. George McDuffee

Today's Wall Street Journal has an article that parallels this
observation. See
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703630404575053514188773400.html
<snip>
Banking is based on trust. The banks get our paychecks and hold
our savings; they know where we spend our money and they keep it
private. If we don't trust them, the whole system breaks down.
Yet for years, Wall Street CEOs have thrown away customer trust
like so much worthless trash.

Banks and brokers have sold deceptive mortgages for more than a
decade. Financial wizards made billions by packaging and
repackaging those loans into securities. And federal regulators
played the role of lookout at a bank robbery, holding back anyone
who tried to stop the massive looting from middle-class families.
When they weren't selling deceptive mortgages, Wall Street
invented new credit card tricks and clever overdraft fees.

In October 2008, when all the risks accumulated and the economy
went into a tailspin, Wall Street CEOs squandered what little
trust was left when they accepted taxpayer bailouts. As the
economy stabilized and it seemed like we would change the rules
that got us into this crisis—including the rules that let big
banks trick their customers for so many years—it looked like
things might come out all right.

Now, a year later, President Obama's proposals for reform are
bottled up in the Senate. The same Wall Street CEOs who brought
the economy to its knees have spent more than a year and hundreds
of millions of dollars furiously lobbying Washington to kill the
president's proposal for a Consumer Financial Protection Agency
(CFPA).
<snip>
========

How long are the American people going to put up with a financial
system where the leaders state "crises should be expected every
five to seven years." J.P. Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/13/business/econwatch/entry6093076.shtml
"Not to be funny about it, but my daughter asked me when she came
home from school 'what's the financial crisis,' and I said, 'Well
it's something that happens every five to seven years,''' Dimon
said. "We shouldn't be surprised, but we need to do a better
job."

This coming on top of Lloyd Blankfein's [head of Goldman-Sachs]
statement that the "bankers are doing gods work" does nothing to
inspire my confidence in the mental stability of the financial
industry leadership.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6907681.ece

FWIW -- the US banking and financial industries [or more exactly
their executives, officers and directors] appear dead set on
committing mass professional suicide, ala Jonestown. In and of
itself I do not see this as a serious problem, but they appear
determined to take everyone and everything with them when they
go.

When individuals exhibit these tendencies they are labeled
psychotic, and are regarded as posing a danger to themselves and
others. The normal result is immediate civil commitment in a
secure mental health facility, medical examination/intervention
and as required forced medication.

At the very least individuals with such overt "death wishes"
should be prevented from continued employment in highly sensitive
positions such as airline pilots, nuclear power-plant operators
AND RUNNING THE NATIONS FINANCIAL SECTORS either as regulators or
executives.

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:26 am
From: Winston

On 2/9/2010 7:58 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Winston<Winston@bigbrother.net> writes:

(...)

>> I bumped it once and there was flashing lights and a ticking sound!
>>
>> Scared the crap out of me.
>
> Ah, so you're this guy?
> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/11/bmw.html

I wish.
That guy found out how to make his headlights less bright.

Prolly knows how to turn off his horn, too.

--Winston

--
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:36 am
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:39:49 -0600, Don Foreman
<dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:

>On 9 Feb 2010 00:53:59 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" <dnichols@d-and-d.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 2010-02-08, dcaster@krl.org <dcaster@krl.org> wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 4:24 am, "DoN. Nichols" <dnich...@d-and-d.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> A neighbor loaned me a snow blower (Toro) after seeing me trying
>>>> to use a "power shovel" which is very limited at the end of 100' of
>>>> heavy gauge extension cord, even if it weren't closer to the house. :-)
>>>> He was returning from digging out an even older local resident on the
>>>> street.
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy,
>>>> DoN.
>>>
>>> Speaking of snow blowers, does anyone have plans for a pretty good
>>> one. I had planned on making a simple one without power to the
>>> wheels. Now I am rethinking that.
>>
>> I think that based on my experience with this Toro (which had no
>>powered wheels) and the steep slope of my driveway, I would want powered
>>treads -- perhaps from a snowmobile but geared down to a more reasonable
>>speed.
>>
>> And the ability to raise or lower the snow beater relative to
>>the tread level, so you could start working at a level which would be
>>high enough so you were within the capacity of the blower. With the
>>Toro, we had to use a shovel to knock down the higher accumulations and
>>blow it a layer at a time.
>
>The two-stage Toro 521 (5 hp, 21" swath) with powered wheels was
>probably the best model they ever made for homeowners in snow country.
>It's not too heavy to manhandle even for a 68-year old gent with a
>half-functional ticker with electronic aid, and it does not need
>assistance with a shovel in deep snow. Ya just take smaller bites. It
>can throw even fairly wet heavy snow quite a ways and it can chew thru
>the drift left by the municipal plow at the end of the driveway.
>Ya adjust the speed and size of bite to the situation, it'll get 'er
>done.
>
>I would not now be able to manage it without the powered wheels, but
>with power including reverse, no problem. My exercise hour today was
>spent with Mr. Toro. More puffing and sweat than walking 3 miles on
>the treadmill while watching Law & Order but my cardiologist tells me
>to be active, I won't break if I do that but will decay if I don't.
>I've had softer drill instructors. Gettin' old is not for sissies.
>
>I'm sure getting tired of snow.
Virtually NO two stage machines are available without wheel drive -
and if they were they would be pretty useless. Two stage units are
"snow blowers"
Single stage units are commonly available without wheel drive. These
are called snow THROWERS. The beaters draw the unit into the snow.

The best allround unit for a homeowner in "snow country" is NOT a
5/21. Too small. An 8/26 is much better - with electric start and a
differential like an Ariens Pro.
I had a 5/26 for years - just a bit underpowered but big enough to do
the job with a Tecumseh H50 SnowKing.

Currently using a 5-21 track-drive with a 5HP Briggs - too small to
really do the job, and the Briggs engine lacks the grunt the
physically larger Tec engine provided. (although the same HP rating)

Thankfully this year I've only needed it once - but it sounds like I
may need it in the morning, or Tomorrow.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:49 am
From: Paul Conners

> I need to replace my outdoor motion sensor lights.

Don't hijack USENET threads.

You'll get better responses if you start your own thread.

If you're not sure how to do this:

1. don't "Reply" to a message -- that's a sure way to have it appear in the
middle of this thread (the definition of "hijack"). Instead, create a New
message and ask your question.

2. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:50 am
From: Paul Conners

> Try Google terms "light fixture" with "slipfitter" or "tenon" for ideas on
> lights that mount on lamp standards.

thanks Charles! Those terms are exactly what helps me do a good Google
search.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 10:56 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"Burled Frau" <achtung@jawol.jah> wrote in message
news:4b70f339$1@news.x-privat.org...
>
>
> "Winston_Smith" <not_real@bogus.net> wrote in message
> news:his1n59g25jbfq115hmb5uj84g4dq8jirp@4ax.com...
>> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>"Winston_Smith" <not_real@bogus.net> wrote in message
>>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <_PZbn.52497$Np1.51...@newsfe19.iad>
>>>>>> John Redthorn <noem...@nomail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > John died today at 77 . Longest serving congressman in Pa history .
>>>>>
>>>>>You mean an American hero died today.
>>>>
>>>> Demonstrably the most corrupt member of the Bush and 0bama Congresses.
>>>>
>>>> Rest of TMTs usual trite snipped.
>>>
>>>then demonstrate it..
>>
>> You dispute it? Must be a D, huh?
>
> He wasn't an American hero. He was an un-American dildo. Just like the
> ones TMT's mommies (both of them ) use.

yeah. He showed up for the war, not like a republicon. they know true
heroism is deserting{Bush} or dodging{cheney}

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 11:11 am
From: cavelamb

Ignoramus11495 wrote:
> On 2010-02-09, Bob La Londe <nospam@nospam.no> wrote:
>> "Ignoramus11495" <ignoramus11495@NOSPAM.11495.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:vvidnWEpLsi75ezWnZ2dnUVZ_jFi4p2d@giganews.com...
>>> On 2010-02-09, Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
>>>> If I were going to all that trouble, I'd be looking for a good 2 part
>>>> catalyzed epoxy paint.
>>> Pete, I would like to know why you think so, just so that I can
>>> understand why epoxy is better.
>> Epoxy is one of the more resistant resins. Some chemicals obviously will
>> eat it, but in normal usage its only real Achilles heel is UV radiation
>> primarily from sunlight.
>>
>
> OK, I changed my mind and I will use epoxy. I assume I need to remove
> the primer that I put on, which will be easy.
>
> i

Yes. You'll need a compatible primer.
A two-part epoxy primer would be ideal.
Randoplate or EpiBond are my personal favorites.
Then a top coat to protect from UV.

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

"The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power
to tell just when the hands will stop, at late or early hour...
Now is the only time you own. Live, love, toil with a will.
Place no faith in time. For the clock may soon be still."

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 9 2010 11:12 am
From: Pete Keillor

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:48:41 -0600, Ignoramus11495
<ignoramus11495@NOSPAM.11495.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-02-09, Bob La Londe <nospam@nospam.no> wrote:
>> "Ignoramus11495" <ignoramus11495@NOSPAM.11495.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:vvidnWEpLsi75ezWnZ2dnUVZ_jFi4p2d@giganews.com...
>>> On 2010-02-09, Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
>>>> If I were going to all that trouble, I'd be looking for a good 2 part
>>>> catalyzed epoxy paint.
>>>
>>> Pete, I would like to know why you think so, just so that I can
>>> understand why epoxy is better.
>>
>> Epoxy is one of the more resistant resins. Some chemicals obviously will
>> eat it, but in normal usage its only real Achilles heel is UV radiation
>> primarily from sunlight.
>>
>
>OK, I changed my mind and I will use epoxy. I assume I need to remove
>the primer that I put on, which will be easy.
>
>i

Maybe not, I'd ask the epoxy paint supplier. One of the outstanding
features of epoxy is adhesion to metal, so you might want to. On the
other hand, when I bought two part epoxy from Sherwin Williams, they
recommended a primer. I don't remember what kind, but it was not
water based.

Pete Keillor

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