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TOPIC: TurboNut progress
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 9:24 am
From: steamer

Christopher Tidy <cdt22NOSPAM@cantabgold.net> wrote:
>You mean like the way you can blow a ball bearing round using compressed
>air? Funny but neat!
--Exactly. Being basically a lazy bastard with limited time on any
project it just seemed like a way to shave a few seconds here and there..

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Blue Cross socks us
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : $23,000/yr!! ...
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

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TOPIC: Oil filter wrench
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/60ec5e63639fffb7?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 9:28 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:48:14 -0700 (PDT), the infamous
stans4@prolynx.com scrawled the following:

>On Mar 20, 4:20 pm, John <johnmand...@freenetname.co.uk> wrote:
>> On some
>>
>> > filter makes, those rubber gaskets get vulvanized to both sides, don't
>> > leak, but just about makes it impossible to remove.
>>
>> > Stan
>>
>> Do you oil the rubber gasket before you fit the filter? It stops the
>> gasket sticking to the engine as you describe.
>> I'm in UK and don't know the engine you're talking about but I've used
>> one of these for yearshttp://www.lawson-his.co.uk/drapertools/product.php?product=20945
>> It's worked every time and is cheap. It would be easy to make if
>> they're not sold in US.
>>
>> John
>
>Yeah, they're ALWAYS oiled up when I stick them in, doesn't always do
>the trick. Sometimes the gasket sticks to the engine side when the
>filter spins off, that's a lot of fun trying to peel off.

Doublecheck your torque settings. You are likely overtightening the
filter. Do it like a wheel bearing: crank it down (seating the gasket
tightly in the oil filter), loosen it, then spin it up more lightly.

Are you using high quality oils and filters, Stan?

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 9:35 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:32:10 -0500, the infamous Don Foreman
<dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> scrawled the following:

>On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:01:48 -0700, "Steve B" <newid@nowhere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I just changed oil on my 2006 Dodge Ram 2500 with the Cummins. Some genius
>>engineer put the oil filter in a nearly inaccessible place. I took my
>>regular oil filter wrench, cut the handle off it, and welded two old sockets
>>on the stub so I could slip it up in there and get the thing off and back
>>on. Barely enough room at that.
>>
>>Is a wrench made that sockets up from the center, and upon turning,
>>constricts? I have one that is 16 sided or something like that, but not all
>>filters are hex shaped. And the ones that are don't always spin off with
>>that flimsy little plastic goober.
>>
>>Anyone know of a good filter wrench configured like that?
>>
>>Steve
>>
>http://auto-part.co.cc/engine-tools/worlds-best-universal-oil-filter-wrench-3-jaws.html

Good product. Whenever I had a problem filter and had room, I used
these: http://www.toolsurge.com/prodview.asp?sku=CHA-480

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:55 am
From: spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)

In article <mfqh77-65a.ln1@news.infowest.com>, "Steve B"
<deserttraver@dishymail.net> wrote:
>
>"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
>news:2bfbq5hatn16mvshu5o85a59csph605e8m@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:01:48 -0700, "Steve B" <newid@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I just changed oil on my 2006 Dodge Ram 2500 with the Cummins. Some
>>>genius
>>>engineer put the oil filter in a nearly inaccessible place. I took my
>>>regular oil filter wrench, cut the handle off it, and welded two old
>>>sockets
>>>on the stub so I could slip it up in there and get the thing off and back
>>>on. Barely enough room at that.
>>>
>>>Is a wrench made that sockets up from the center, and upon turning,
>>>constricts? I have one that is 16 sided or something like that, but not
>>>all
>>>filters are hex shaped. And the ones that are don't always spin off with
>>>that flimsy little plastic goober.
>>>
>>>Anyone know of a good filter wrench configured like that?
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>
>>
> http://auto-part.co.cc/engine-tools/worlds-best-universal-oil-filter-wrench-3-
>jaws.html
>
>Looks like this one got the most votes. Will try to get one locally.

I have one similar to this, that works very well on small filters.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02820519000P

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:57 am
From: spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)

In article <q3icq5djs7bnrrrjkldihgmoiu921cjh3k@4ax.com>, ljaques@diversify.invalid wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:48:14 -0700 (PDT), the infamous
>stans4@prolynx.com scrawled the following:

>>Yeah, they're ALWAYS oiled up when I stick them in, doesn't always do
>>the trick. Sometimes the gasket sticks to the engine side when the
>>filter spins off, that's a lot of fun trying to peel off.
>
>Doublecheck your torque settings. You are likely overtightening the
>filter. Do it like a wheel bearing: crank it down (seating the gasket
>tightly in the oil filter), loosen it, then spin it up more lightly.

I spin it on finger-tight, then grab it with my whole hand and give it 1/4
turn more. Never had one leak, and never had any trouble removing one either.

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TOPIC: Wingers keep lying !!!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 9:29 am
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

On 3/21/2010 5:47 AM, Cliff wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:29:55 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
> <Then-Fire-A-Full-Spred-Of-Photon-Torpedoes@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>
>>> So rape is fine with you.
>>> Move to Alaska.
>> Your head is already occupying your hole so you are secure.
>
> I'm not te one trying to justify & excuse rapes.

Sure you are... you are looking for someone to pin it on so you don't
have to consider your roll in it.

Just like all things Liberals do, they try to find a way to blame
someone else for everything.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 9:54 am
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

On 3/21/2010 5:45 AM, Cliff wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:35:42 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
> <Then-Fire-A-Full-Spred-Of-Photon-Torpedoes@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/20/2010 2:32 PM, Cliff wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:36:32 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
>>> <Then-Fire-A-Full-Spred-Of-Photon-Torpedoes@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are launched through the windshield because you were wearing no seat
>>>> belt, it happens because you chose to wear or not wear the things that
>>>> could in bad situation save you from some harm, you chose to ride rather
>>>> than walk, I don't lay blame.... but you should except responsibility
>>>> for your actions.
>>>
>>> This adds to all our insurance & medical costs.
>>
>>
>> NO, I'm fine with all my medical and insurance, no added costs.....
>
> You add to MINE.

Name one time...

it never happened.

>> They might lay in a hospital intensive care at age 86 and cost more so
>> death now is minor. Besides insurance is for the other guy in car
>> accidents, not for me, if it gets too expensive I quit driving.
>
> So said the last guy with tickets ....

That might be another reason to stop driving but I still have my license
and have never had it taken or suspended or had a ticket drive up my
insurance costs. While that may be your incentive to not drive, I don't
know about getting tickets or DUI since I don't and never did get those.
I liked my safe driver discounts.

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TOPIC: Al Gore takes aim
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4e2ba8fcc22c79a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 9:33 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Joseph Gwinn" <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:joegwinn-502901.12225521032010@news.giganews.com...
> In article <4ba53e24$0$31264$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>
>> You're talking about one measurement path, a Great Circle, which may or
>> may
>> not cross numerous currents, the initiation site for El Nino, and so on.
>> From that you're trying to draw a conclusion about global warming. You
>> don't
>> know if the pattern between here and NZ is pro-cyclical or
>> counter-cyclical
>> to the earth's temperature as a whole. You are talking about a
>> measurement
>> taken over a short span of years, while the data being looked at by
>> serious
>> scientists is data from decades at least, and hundreds of years in some
>> cases.
>
> Well, I don't have a dog in the debate from which this is taken, but I
> will add
> that it is not impossible to disentangle all those things. What is done
> is the
> acoustic equivalent of computerized tomography.
>
> Here is a random article dredged up by google:
> <http://jjap.ipap.jp/link?JJAP/40/5446/>.
>
> Joe Gwinn

Joe, I'm going to skip the article, because there are 2,000 or 3,000 that
I'd have to read first. One can "disentangle" the currents, but there is
still fundamental debate about the influences that initiate the El Ninos,
for example. So you can separate some effects but now you will have experts
arguing over the causes -- and reading one article or two or a hundred won't
tell you the full story behind those causes.

For us non-experts, it's like searching for the golden fleece.

--
Ed Huntress

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:32 am
From: Last Post

On Mar 1, 9:38 am, hal wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:40:38 GMT, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <okbno55oaudlohjug9m0fbdtk9eio2h...@4ax.com>, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
> >> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6200OE20100301?type=politicsNews
> >> "Al Gore takes aim at climate change skeptics"
> >>[
> >>Former Vice President Al Gore on took aim at skeptics who doubt the reality of
> >>human-caused climate change, saying he wished it were an illusion but that the
> >>problem is real and urgent.
> >>.....
> >>]
>
> >And we should all do exactly what Al says, because everyone knows he is an
> >eminent climate scientist.
>
> He is the spokesman for hundreds if not thousands of climate
> scientists all whom agree that this problem is real and urgent.

ø Gore is the spokesman only for the IPCC 52 and
even that number is shrinking.

ø Nobody can control the wind
Nobody can control the rain or snow
Nobody (collectively) can control climate.
Global temps are within natural variations
Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation

  Get used to it!!

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:36 am
From: Last Post

On Mar 21, 3:19 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2010 05:20:57 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf...@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote in news:ho1h9c$vh4$7
> >@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> >> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:37:23 +0000, D Murphy <dmurf...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>news:eak6q5tkh677j35fsmiocsh8nqom3fbvbq@4ax.com:
>
> >>>> On 14 Mar 2010 05:29:18 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>olution-status-fcsts-web.pdf
>
> >>>> Looks like 1998 was the hot year and its been getting cooler ever
> >>>> since.
>
> >>> Cliff isn't very good at math and has little understanding of
> >science.
> >>> It's funny how he will dismiss ten years of cooler temperatures as
> >>> "weather" but cites an El Nino as a sign of impending global doom.
>
> >> Untrue: http://
> >>www.g2weather.com/.a/6a010535bea9f5970b010536311139970b-800wi
>
> >Wow. I'm convinced. That nifty graph proves Cliff got better at math
> >between 1950 and 2000.
>
> >Or not.
>
> >But seeing as it doesn't cover this winter, it probably doesn't support
> >his claims.
>
> Does not cover next year either.
> So what?
>
> But it does show that "ten years of cooler temperatures"
> is a big winger lie. As usual & as expected.
> --
> Cliff

ø Cliff why don't you jump over one, you do not
contribute anything here.

ø Nobody can control the wind
Nobody can control the rain or snow
Nobody (collectively) can control climate.
Global temps are within natural variations
Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation

  Get used to it!!

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:38 am
From: Last Post

On Mar 21, 1:32 pm, Last Post <last_p...@primus.ca> wrote:
> On Mar 1, 9:38 am, hal wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:40:38 GMT, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
> > wrote:
>
> > >In article <okbno55oaudlohjug9m0fbdtk9eio2h...@4ax.com>, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
> > >> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6200OE20100301?type=politicsNews
> > >> "Al Gore takes aim at climate change skeptics"
> > >>[
> > >>Former Vice President Al Gore on took aim at skeptics who doubt the reality of
> > >>human-caused climate change, saying he wished it were an illusion but that the
> > >>problem is real and urgent.
> > >>.....
> > >>]
>
> > >And we should all do exactly what Al says, because everyone knows he is an
> > >eminent climate scientist.
>
> > He is the spokesman for hundreds if not thousands of climate
> > scientists all whom agree that this problem is real and urgent.
>
> ø Gore is the spokesman only for the IPCC 52 and
> even that number is shrinking.
>
> ø Nobody can control the wind
> Nobody can control the rain or snow
> Nobody (collectively) can control climate.
> Global temps are within natural variations
> Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation
>
>   Get used to it!!
>
> — —
> | In real science the burden of proof is always
> | on the proposer, never on the skeptics. So far
> | neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
> | iota of valid data for global warming nor have
> | they provided data that climate change is being
> | effected by commerce and industry, and not by
> | natural causes

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:44 am
From: Joseph Gwinn

In article <4ba64a4b$0$4994$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

> "Joseph Gwinn" <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:joegwinn-502901.12225521032010@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <4ba53e24$0$31264$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> > "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >>
> >> You're talking about one measurement path, a Great Circle, which may or
> >> may
> >> not cross numerous currents, the initiation site for El Nino, and so on.
> >> From that you're trying to draw a conclusion about global warming. You
> >> don't
> >> know if the pattern between here and NZ is pro-cyclical or
> >> counter-cyclical
> >> to the earth's temperature as a whole. You are talking about a
> >> measurement
> >> taken over a short span of years, while the data being looked at by
> >> serious
> >> scientists is data from decades at least, and hundreds of years in some
> >> cases.
> >
> > Well, I don't have a dog in the debate from which this is taken, but I will add
> > that it is not impossible to disentangle all those things. What is done
> > is the acoustic equivalent of computerized tomography.
> >
> > Here is a random article dredged up by google:
> > <http://jjap.ipap.jp/link?JJAP/40/5446/>.
> >
> > Joe Gwinn
>
> Joe, I'm going to skip the article, because there are 2,000 or 3,000 that
> I'd have to read first.

Not if the intent is to understand the method.

> One can "disentangle" the currents, but there is
> still fundamental debate about the influences that initiate the El Ninos,
> for example. So you can separate some effects but now you will have experts
> arguing over the causes -- and reading one article or two or a hundred won't
> tell you the full story behind those causes.

Well, it *is* an active research topic for sure, but they are figuring it out.
And this is their tool. My point was that such a tool does exist.

> For us non-experts, it's like searching for the golden fleece.

So, there is no reason to believe either side, and therefore no reason to
believe or to do anything at all? That's the obvious conclusion, because the
alternative is to choose on faith alone which of the warring groups to believe.

Joe Gwinn

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TOPIC: WAY OT [OT] Speak Landscaper
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 9:40 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:23:56 -0700, the infamous Winston
<Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:

>On 3/20/2010 6:04 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:54:17 -0700, the infamous Winston
>> <Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:
>
>(...)
>
>>> I zipped into the garage and snapped up the street valve
>>> wrench. After shutting off the street valve, the
>>> mini tsunami subsided at last.
>>
>> It's a good thing that you had one. Um, why DID you have one?
>
>Larry, I'm shocked. It is a tool, so why wouldn't I have one?

Easy answer: Because you're not a landscaper or city Public Works
"worker" (must use that term loosely around govvy jobs.)

> (Side story: During the repairs to the back patio, the
> contractor parked his skid steer between my house and the
> next door neighbor who is a great guy that I help with
> mechanical stuff occasionally. So I'm talking with my
> neighbor and he looks at the skid steer and says "Did you
> buy that for your project? It wouldn't surprise me."
>
> That still cracks me up! :)
>
> I can stop lusting after tools any time I want, though.
>
> And no, the contractor wouldn't let me drive the loader
> around. Grr. :)

I'm going to rent one for myself some day. They're only $150 a day,
so it's cheaper than a pair of fresh HD trabajadors, who might be able
to do the same amount of work in one day.

>> Well, at least it hasn't interrupted your Easter egg hunts...yet.
>
>Watch This Space.

ohshit...

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 9:48 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:12:23 -0700, the infamous Winston
<Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:

>On 3/20/2010 6:00 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>(...)
>
>> The feelings instantly lessened when I quit watching TV 3
>> years ago.
>
>I want the patience and moral strength necessary to stop
>watching television and I want them RIGHT NOW!
>
>:) :)

Detoxing from TeeVee in 3 Easy Steps + 1:

1) Don't pay this month's cable bill.

2) Use dykes to snip coax cable at the wall.

3) Ask wifey (neighbor, friend, etc.) the way to your SHOP and go get
some more projects done!

4) When you're tired from that, relax and read all the unfinished
books on your bookshelf and wherever else you store them.

When you're satisfied that you don't need TV any more, send me the
equivalent amount of a year's cable payments for my consultation fee.

P.S: Once you're away from TV for a month, ask your doctor to
discontinue your high blood pressure medicine. He'll find that it's
alright (maybe even _low_) now.

--
Instant Gratification Takes Too Long!
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TOPIC: DIY surge protection...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 9:41 am
From: stans4@prolynx.com

On Mar 20, 9:47 am, "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>
wrote:
> Awl --
>
> On the main breaker box, for the whole house.
>
> First Q: Is surge protection strictly lightning-related?
>
> Holmes on Homes was emphasizing this, saying $500 wasn't much for the
> protection it affords.
> $500?????????????? Holy shit.....
>
> Isn't surge protection just some capacitors?? Connected to where? Each hot
> to ground? Between hots? Values?
> I have a ton of run/start caps, 20 to 100 uF, 370 V.
>
> If you have surge protection on the mains, do you then need those itty-bitty
> surge protectors fer yer pyooters?
>
> Also, sometimes equipment will have an iron-like ring around a wire -- I
> think in power supplies, mebbe surge protectors.
> What is that ring doing? And which wires go thru it? Hot? Hot+return?
> --
> EA

Ferrite rings are for EMI, so the buzz in the box stays there and not
in your radio or stereo. Switching power supplies can generate a
whole lot of hash and that's the type that's gradually replacing the
old-syle wall warts. The ring is acting as a choke for RF, also
generated by the computer itself. Different deal than surge
protection, but also needed these days.

Look up "surgistor" or MOV, that's what's in those surge protectors.
They're rated in joules, the amount of energy they can pass. The
higher, the better, and more costly they get. The better surge
protector strips will say how much energy they can handle on the
package. I assume the panel versions do the same. What none of the
ad copy says is that MOVs have a distinct lifespan. They WILL wear
out after snubbing "x" number of spikes and become useless. Some of
the power strip units tie the neon switch light to the MOVs. If no
light when switched on, the MOVs have expired and it's time for a new
strip. But nobody tells the consumer about it. So there's a whole
lot of dead protectors out there that are just power strips now.
Usually there's MOVs between ground and each supply wire and between
the supply wires. Not rocket science.

As far as lightning protection, they'll do part of that, up to the
energy rating. Which is why you need the tiered approach. Arrestors
on the line in, surge protectors on the panel and on each high-value
electronic item. My sister is always getting hits, they blow the
phones off the walls, but since she's gotten decent surge protectors,
those get fried instead of the computer or video equipment. They have
to be replaced, but she gets the sort with insurance attached, so not
that costly.

There are other approaches to surge and spike protection, an MG set is
pretty much immune to any such up to direct lightning strikes. A
ferro-resonant transformer used to be a big part of the innards of one
line of power conditioners, pretty much immune to spikes, but the
transformer itself was noisier than a whole switch yard. Had one in a
corner of the shop for a mini-computer, had to go outside to talk to
anyone. None of those will snub spikes on LAN, phone or video cables,
for that you have to go to power strips with built-in protection or
stand-alones.

Stan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:37 am
From: "Bob F"

cncmillgil wrote:

> How bout a surge from downed power lines? Ours got knocked down from
> ice on trees falling on the main lines into the house 4am Christmas
> eve. Started a fire (12" flames) on the Belkin UL approved spike/
> surge protector right next to the christmas tree & plasma TV! Could
> never get an answer as to why this happened. Knocked out a couple
> other surge strips including a plug in CO2 detector.
> Thank god thats all that happened.
>
> http://users.cin.net/~milgil/Belkin_burned1.JPG
> http://users.cin.net/~milgil/Belkin_burned2.JPG
> http://users.cin.net/~milgil/Belkin_burned3.JPG
> http://users.cin.net/~milgil/Belkin_burned4.JPG
> http://users.cin.net/~milgil/Belkin_burned5.JPG
>
> Must be something to do with the end of the power- where it
> dissipates ?

Looks like a pretty good case for metal enclosed surge protectors.

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TOPIC: What steel for pry bars?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 9:42 am
From: "Steve W."

Bob Engelhardt wrote:
> Steve W. wrote:
>> I think I would try using a clamp style nail puller on a slide hammer to
>> remove the nails. Less damage to the tin and probably much faster. I
>> would probably take a set of vice grips, weld a set of tapered jaws on
>> the end to grip under the nail head. Then attach that to a slide hammer.
>
> I'm skeptical - I think that getting under the nail head would be more
> time consuming than getting behind the tin. Here's a picture of a
> sharpened pry bar getting behind the tin. The arrow points to a nail head!

With a sharp set of points it should be easier to get under the heads
than tearing the tin. Even with the paint on there. Have you tried a
GOOD cats paw?

>
>> Tin is VERY, VERY easy to damage. BTDT working on a church kitchen
>> ceiling. Decided that decorative tin is WAY to much trouble...
>
> It certainly is a lot of trouble! Today we discovered that some
> ceilings have gotten wet and the nails rusted. The heads come off or
> the tin tears before the nails pull out. !&%$#(!

In that case I would probably try a flush cutting tool and just cut the
heads off.
This style will get in under the head
http://www.shorinternational.com/images/ImagesP/plr784.gif

>
> We are being motivated by the high prices this stuff brings from the
> yuppies. And it's volunteer labor being used <G>. There's a limit,
> though, so we'll see how far it goes.
>
> Bob

--
Steve W.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:33 am
From: Bob Engelhardt

Steve W. wrote:
> With a sharp set of points it should be easier to get under the heads
> than tearing the tin. Even with the paint on there. Have you tried a
> GOOD cats paw?

All the cat's paws I have access to are much too crude/blunt/thick. But
your post's inspired me to try making one.

> In that case I would probably try a flush cutting tool and just cut the
> heads off.
> This style will get in under the head
> http://www.shorinternational.com/images/ImagesP/plr784.gif

That's a nice one - the site has a bunch of nice cutters:
http://www.shorinternational.com/pliersend.htm
The 2nd one down, the "Oblique Flush Cut Nippers" ($168.00) looks very
well made <G>.

Bob

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TOPIC: Surface Plates
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bc2625a5c4711576?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:00 am
From: "Bob La Londe"

"Andrew VK3BFA" <VK3BFA@wia.org.au> wrote in message
news:fd4f043d-c7e1-4dc0-935c-0d4a02d2a8de@s2g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 21, 7:16 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> wrote:
>> Surface Plates are often made of granite.
>> Why don't they make them from harder rock ?
>> --
>> Cliff
>
> Granite is a hard rock.

Granite is a pretty generic term referring to a rock formed of an assortment
of minerals. It can have a very wide range of hardness based on the
specific mineral composition and the size of individual mineral crystals.

I'm sure there is a specific definition of whether a rock is granite or
something else, but that definition encompasses a wide range of "granites."

I would expect its selection is that because of its composition it does not
experience a wide range of expansion and contraction over a relatively long
time period by human standards (but not by geological standards). Or it
could simple be because of price.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 11:29 am
From: "vinny"

"Bob La Londe" <nospam@nospam.no> wrote in message
news:ho5jb4$3r7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Andrew VK3BFA" <VK3BFA@wia.org.au> wrote in message
> news:fd4f043d-c7e1-4dc0-935c-0d4a02d2a8de@s2g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 21, 7:16 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>> wrote:
>>> Surface Plates are often made of granite.
>>> Why don't they make them from harder rock ?
>>> --
>>> Cliff
>>
>> Granite is a hard rock.
>
> Granite is a pretty generic term referring to a rock formed of an
> assortment of minerals. It can have a very wide range of hardness based
> on the specific mineral composition and the size of individual mineral
> crystals.
>
> I'm sure there is a specific definition of whether a rock is granite or
> something else, but that definition encompasses a wide range of
> "granites."
>
> I would expect its selection is that because of its composition it does
> not experience a wide range of expansion and contraction over a relatively
> long time period by human standards (but not by geological standards). Or
> it could simple be because of price.
>

A lot was price. It doesnt need produced like steel. And at the time it was
as abundant as dirt.
Of course its freakishly stable.
Since then world has ran out of pink granite, the hardest and most stable.
Hitler had a stadium made from it, and now everyone wants that granite.

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TOPIC: labelling plastic parts bins
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b20ea27b9e6c5356?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:01 am
From: "Bob La Londe"

Don't they have slots to slide a card into the front? Just print cards and
slide them into the slots if that's the case.

"Stu Fields" <eh@iwvisp.com> wrote in message
news:XfqdnZjXSfbinzjWnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@linkline.com...
> I have a number of plastic parts bins purchased from Global. I want to
> put some adhesive backed computer generated labels on the bins. The
> labels peel off after about a week. Any ideas on what adhesive to use??
> I've tried Elmers, hot glue and some acrylic. None of these seem to work.
> Global has said they don't know either>>>
>
> Stu Fields
>

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TOPIC: Is Sarah Palin going bald?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ea159f271de50845?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:12 am
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

On 3/21/2010 12:34 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> On Mar 20, 1:15 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> wrote:
>> http://www.zeitgeistyreport.com/breaking-news/2010/03/19/is-sarah-pal...
>> "Is Sarah Palin going bald?"
>> [
>> Lately the mentally deficient bespectacled one has been sporting an obvious wig,
>> which has led many to speculate whether or not she's trying to cover something
>> up. It was well reported that during her campaign in 2008 she was so stressed
>> patches of her hair had fallen out, but maybe the follicle loss may be due to
>> more significant reasons. The greatest cause of female baldness is a disease
>> called alopecia, this could be what's going on here. Or perhaps it just might be
>> a sign from God!
>> ....
>> ]
>
> More likely the sex change didn't take.
>
> Laugh...laugh...laugh...
>
> TMT

Makes me think of Liberals, Slimy, no spine, and switch hit when it
comes to sex....... Dddddoooooohhhhhh I was thinking of worms!!!

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TOPIC: OT - work shoes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0076210173ec998f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 4:21 pm
From: "DanG"

I remember PF Flyers as the shoe of choice because they were the
new low top design, though canvas shoes were only allowed for gym
class, not regular classes. The traditional high tops were
Converse All Stars, in white only as I recall.

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"Steve B" <deserttraver@dishymail.net> wrote in message
news:a6qh77-879.ln1@news.infowest.com...
>
> "Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:a0a545be-5ee3-46b7-acea-5a4729ae0430@a37g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> If that doesn't float your boat, I've found that New Balance
>>> running/walking shoes seem to be the longest-wearing
>>> tenny-runner style
>>> of shoe out there -- but you should still consider yourself
>>> lucky if you
>>> get a pair that holds out for more than a year.
>>>
>> Tom
>>
>> If you are into wide width shoes, EEE or wider try
>> "wideshoes.com".
>> The New Balance shoes on my feet right now have lasted 4 years.
>> Everyday wear except for Sunday. Con is $90.00 but they fit my
>> wide,
>> EEEEE, feet. I actually have two pairs of them since I beat
>> them but
>> good. So I will be4 good for at least 8 years with the two
>> pairs. When
>> they get too scroungy looking it is clothes washer time.
>>
>> Bob AZ
>
> I've had up to six pairs of NBs at a time. They are all on a
> shelf in different states of decay, and SWMBO reminds me when I
> wear too new a pair for the activities of that day. Reminds me
> of being a kid and having "school shoes" and "play shoes." Dad
> was good about it, tho. We got a replacement every year. I
> loved Keds for play shoes. "Run faster and jump higher" I think
> was their slogan.
>
> "Are those your SCHOOL shoes" was dad's slogan.
>
> Steve
>

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TOPIC: OT: CNC Paper & Plastic
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d0fc9c7d29a91da1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:22 am
From: "Bob La Londe"

"Bob La Londe" <nospam@nospam.no> wrote in message
news:ho0b6u$v7j$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> I just installed a system with a bunch of plastic covers over paper labels
> for buttons.
>
> Hole in sheet of heavy paper for buttons. Print on paper to label button.
> Snap plastic template over assembly to protect paper label.
>
> Now my first idea was to put a marker in my little CNC mill and use a
> stick font to label each button hole. Of course the paper sheet came
> preprinted on one side, and because of dynamics can't just be turned over.
> If I turn them over I have to cut an extra hole in the sheet. Since this
> is a brand new system and equipment I would like to do a neater job than
> that for the client.
>
> I can call the manufacturer and order some blank sheets (I hope) but they
> are notoriously slow for small items like this. I was think it would be
> nice to throw a piece of linen paper on a block and cut it to fit. The
> outside dimensions are not that big of a deal. I can do that close enough
> on the paper cutter in the office, but I am not sure how I would get a
> decent cut for the button holes. Fast spinning tiny mill cutter? I don't
> think a vinyl cutter blade would do the trick as paper tends to dull
> blades fairly quickly if a not used in a sawing or semi sawing fashion.
>
> The paper is about the same thickness or weight as high quality linen
> paper. Not near as thick and heavy as a paper manilla folder.
>
> I figured I could outside cut each piece and stick it on a block of wood
> with some light photo mount, or maybe make a sandwich block, but similar
> projects in the past have met with mixed results. I've done stencils for
> spray painting on the mill before with card stock, and with plastic sheet,
> and I was never totally satisfied with the results for either one. While
> this isn't the same application it is the same type of job.
>
> Hmmm... I haven't done the sandwich block before. I think I'll give that
> a shot.

Well, I tried making a couple punches. The round one was easy and worked
very well. Just turned it out of a bolt on my mini lathe, but the
rectangular one for the rectangular buttons has given me fits. I've made
two so far. One with an inner taper and one with an outer taper. I wasn't
happy with either one. I am thinking I need to do some hardening to help
with results. A soft backboard results in poor cutting, and a hard
backboard results in 2-3 holes punching before the punch dulls and / or
folds over.

I started the sandwich plate thing, but got tired of the time it took to
machine each button hole in my top plate. I may still go that way though
since the punches are meeting with poor results.

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TOPIC: 6 quarts of oil instead of 5, in my pickup
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6f3afb5dee7a89fb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 10:33 am
From: "Pete C."

clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:39:33 GMT, Yooper <thumper93@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:57:38 -0400, clare wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:08:28 GMT, Yooper <thumper93@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:46:41 -0500, Ignoramus4239 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2010-03-19, Steve W. <csr684@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Ignoramus4239 wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2010-03-19, Steve W. <csr684@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Ignoramus4239 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Sorry, I meant 6 liter V8.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> That's odd. I believe we have the same model truck (6.0 Liter)
> >>>and mine definitely takes 6 quarts with filter. Just looked in my owners
> >>>manual.
> >> 4 .5 Canadian quarts., 5.11 liters, or 5.4 US Quarts.
> >
> >
> > I don't know where you are getting 5.4 quarts, Clare. My owners manual
> >is right in front of me.
> Not sure of the capacity on the 6.0, but a very common capacity on
> north american engines . a canadian gallon is hald a quart low - 5
> liters just about bang on, and that is virtually 5 1/5 US quarts.
>
> That said, my Mystique (v6) holds over 6 Canadian quarts with the
> filter.

When I had a Chev 5.7L V8, it took 5 quarts, my Chev 7.4L V8 takes 7
quarts.

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