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TOPIC: 6 quarts of oil instead of 5, in my pickup
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6f3afb5dee7a89fb?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 8:47 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:16:18 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net>
wrote:

>
>Joe AutoDrill wrote:
>>
>> > It depends on the engine, and it's generally not a good idea to leave
>> > excess in there, though 1 qt is not a lot. The main concern with over
>> > filled oil is if the level reaches the point where the crankshaft is
>> > spinning in it and causes foaming. Foamed oil will not pump and will
>> > cause a catastrophic loss of oil pressure in the engine.
>>
>> Also can build up additional pressure and pop a seal or leak out a vent.
>
>No, there wouldn't be any way to build up additional pressure unless
>some of the oil galleys were plugged up. The pump pumps oil constantly,
>it runs through the bearing and various oil galleys and eventually runs
>back down to the sump. More oil in the sump doesn't change that process
>unless it foams in which case the pumping basically stops, the engine
>starves for oil and things go downhill rapidly after that.
It is not "oil pressure" that builds up, but crankcase pressure -
and generally only if the oil gets frothed from hitting the crank. It
CAN take out seals - but the drop in oil pressure from foaming is more
likely, and more serious.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 8:50 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:46:41 -0500, Ignoramus4239
<ignoramus4239@NOSPAM.4239.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-03-19, Steve W. <csr684@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
>> Ignoramus4239 wrote:
>>> On 2010-03-19, Steve W. <csr684@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Ignoramus4239 wrote:
>>>>> My truck requires 5 quarts of oil. I made a mistake yesterday when
>>>>> changing oil, and put in 6 quarts instead of five (I squarely blame my
>>>>> kids for this). Would you think that I am jeopardizing anything if I
>>>>> simply keep that amount and do not drain excess oil.
>>>>>
>>>>> i
>>>> What engine? Many have some extra room BUT it depends on the engine.
>>>> Also depends on the filter.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is Chevy silverado 2500 HD, 6 cylinder engine.
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> A 2500HD with a V6 in it? Or did you mean a 6 liter (more likely)
>
>Sorry, I meant 6 liter V8.
>
>> If you installed a new filter and added the oil you shouldn't have a
>> problem. There is enough room in that case to handle it. Check the
>> dipstick and you will probably see the oil level is less than 1/2 of
>> the add hash-marks above the full line.
>
>That's right. It is above the full line, but not by much.
>
>i
If it's not more than about 1/4 inch over, I woudn't sweat it -
particularly on the big engine.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 8:57 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:08:28 GMT, Yooper <thumper93@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:46:41 -0500, Ignoramus4239 wrote:
>
>> On 2010-03-19, Steve W. <csr684@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Ignoramus4239 wrote:
>>>> On 2010-03-19, Steve W. <csr684@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Ignoramus4239 wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, I meant 6 liter V8.
>>
>
> That's odd. I believe we have the same model truck (6.0 Liter)
>and mine definitely takes 6 quarts with filter. Just looked in my
>owners manual.
4 .5 Canadian quarts., 5.11 liters, or 5.4 US Quarts.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:03 pm
From: Ignoramus4239

What it turns out is that my sump capacity is 6 quarts, WITH FILTER. I
was measuring the fill level prior to filling the filter. I believe
that I am just fine the way I am.

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TOPIC: Crappy tools
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0f57b1503fb9e64b?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 8:50 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:40:02 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:48:18 -0500, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
>>My wife and daughters bought me a 1/2 hammerdrill for my
>>birthday/fathers day last June.
>>
>>I used it a couple times last summer/fall, and then today I wanted to
>>use it to drill a 1 1/2 hole in a spruce 2X8. Put it in low gear (for
>>the first time) and founf out there were teeth missing on a gear
>>somewhere. Just a lot of noise, and no drive.
>>
>>It was a Black and Decker DR650-ca -= 6.5 amp unit that They paid $80
>>for.(on sale).
>>
>>Took it back to Canadian Tire where they bought it, and they don't
>>carry it any more. After a lot of hassle, I paid the difference ($20)
>>to get a Porter Cable PC650 - looked like virtually the same drill
>>except for the location of the reverse switch.
>>
>>I gor ONE HOLE drilled, and noticed something poking out through the
>>side of the drive gear case which LOOKED like it was aluminum, but was
>>in fact aluminized chrappy plastic.
>>
>>Looks like I'll have to cruise the Garage sales this spring and try to
>>find myself a 30 year old half inch drill - - - - - - .
>>The one the B&D replaced was almost 50 years old and had been used
>>professionally by my dad as an electrical contractor for about 35
>>years of that until his retirement. In hindsight, I should have spent
>>whatever it took to have it rewound instead of scrapping it. (It just
>>up and quit one day when I was using it - let the magic smoke out)
>
>Hunt around for a used Hilti, . Ebay is good for this
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HILTI-TE1-TE-1-ROTARY-CONCRETE-HAMMER-DRILL-CORDED_W0QQitemZ260567770235QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Hammer_Drills?hash=item3cab0ca47b
>http://cgi.ebay.com/HILTI-TE15-ROTARY-HAMMER-DRILL-w-CHUCK-ADAPTER_W0QQitemZ230448611603QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Hammer_Drills?hash=item35a7cec113
>
>

Got myself a new Makita "D" handle drill. If and when I need a Hammer
Drill I'll borrow or rent one unless I find a good used one cheap. A
dedicated Hilti Hammer-drill would be just fine.
>
>"First Law of Leftist Debate
>The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
>that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
>more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
>losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
>homophobe approaches infinity.
>
>This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
>race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
>the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 8:53 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:57:53 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:28:59 -0700, "Bill Noble"
><nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Gerald Miller" <grmiller@rogers.com> wrote in message
>>news:mtmjp5t9lgjegpl4unfhsfbh398eaa1i11@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:48:18 -0500, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>>
>>>>My wife and daughters bought me a 1/2 hammerdrill for my
>>>>birthday/fathers day last June.
>>
>>
>>so, if you want a really nice hammer drill, my friend just asked me to sell
>>off one for him - a Red Head 747 - in a metal case with a pile of
>>accessories - is this made by Bosch? it says ITT, but maybe Bosh bought out
>>their tool division - it's certainly heavy and rugged and ought to do the
>>trick
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300407022032

If it was closer and the shipping wasn't so expensive I'd bid on it.
But shipping that thing from southern California to Waterloo Ontario
would cost as much as the drill is worth.
>>
>>and he also asked me to sell this RAMSET thingie for him:
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300407011330
>
>
>It didnt get a bid? Actually...thats a very good Ramset tool. Ive got 2
>of them and they work most excellent.
>
>Gunner
>
>
>"First Law of Leftist Debate
>The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
>that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
>more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
>losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
>homophobe approaches infinity.
>
>This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
>race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
>the subject." Grey Ghost

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:00 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:32:31 -0700, "Stu Fields" <eh@iwvisp.com>
wrote:

>
>"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:jed7q5hj5aoki0hetqog00i31mag304t9e@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:48:18 -0500, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>
>>>My wife and daughters bought me a 1/2 hammerdrill for my
>>>birthday/fathers day last June.
>>>
>>>I used it a couple times last summer/fall, and then today I wanted to
>>>use it to drill a 1 1/2 hole in a spruce 2X8. Put it in low gear (for
>>>the first time) and founf out there were teeth missing on a gear
>>>somewhere. Just a lot of noise, and no drive.
>>>
>>>It was a Black and Decker DR650-ca -= 6.5 amp unit that They paid $80
>>>for.(on sale).
>>>
>>>Took it back to Canadian Tire where they bought it, and they don't
>>>carry it any more. After a lot of hassle, I paid the difference ($20)
>>>to get a Porter Cable PC650 - looked like virtually the same drill
>>>except for the location of the reverse switch.
>>>
>>>I gor ONE HOLE drilled, and noticed something poking out through the
>>>side of the drive gear case which LOOKED like it was aluminum, but was
>>>in fact aluminized chrappy plastic.
>>>
>>>Looks like I'll have to cruise the Garage sales this spring and try to
>>>find myself a 30 year old half inch drill - - - - - - .
>>>The one the B&D replaced was almost 50 years old and had been used
>>>professionally by my dad as an electrical contractor for about 35
>>>years of that until his retirement. In hindsight, I should have spent
>>>whatever it took to have it rewound instead of scrapping it. (It just
>>>up and quit one day when I was using it - let the magic smoke out)
>>
>> Hunt around for a used Hilti, . Ebay is good for this
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HILTI-TE1-TE-1-ROTARY-CONCRETE-HAMMER-DRILL-CORDED_W0QQitemZ260567770235QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Hammer_Drills?hash=item3cab0ca47b
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/HILTI-TE15-ROTARY-HAMMER-DRILL-w-CHUCK-ADAPTER_W0QQitemZ230448611603QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Hammer_Drills?hash=item35a7cec113
>>
>>
>Totally agree with Gunner. After trying several hammer drills for drilling
>holes in concrete, the Hilti far outshown all the others that I tried. It
>is a trade-off of how many cuss words and time are worth how much money.
>
>Stu
>

I've used my neighbour's Hilti and the rental-shop's Hitachi. The
Hitachi was a bit heavier so was better when using it as a
jack-hammer. With a core-drill I did like the Hilti- but both are
SERIOUS hammer drills compared to the wimpy half inch drive Black and
Decker or Porter Cable Wannabees.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 10:13 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:50:04 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:40:02 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:48:18 -0500, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>
>>>My wife and daughters bought me a 1/2 hammerdrill for my
>>>birthday/fathers day last June.
>>>
>>>I used it a couple times last summer/fall, and then today I wanted to
>>>use it to drill a 1 1/2 hole in a spruce 2X8. Put it in low gear (for
>>>the first time) and founf out there were teeth missing on a gear
>>>somewhere. Just a lot of noise, and no drive.
>>>
>>>It was a Black and Decker DR650-ca -= 6.5 amp unit that They paid $80
>>>for.(on sale).
>>>
>>>Took it back to Canadian Tire where they bought it, and they don't
>>>carry it any more. After a lot of hassle, I paid the difference ($20)
>>>to get a Porter Cable PC650 - looked like virtually the same drill
>>>except for the location of the reverse switch.
>>>
>>>I gor ONE HOLE drilled, and noticed something poking out through the
>>>side of the drive gear case which LOOKED like it was aluminum, but was
>>>in fact aluminized chrappy plastic.
>>>
>>>Looks like I'll have to cruise the Garage sales this spring and try to
>>>find myself a 30 year old half inch drill - - - - - - .
>>>The one the B&D replaced was almost 50 years old and had been used
>>>professionally by my dad as an electrical contractor for about 35
>>>years of that until his retirement. In hindsight, I should have spent
>>>whatever it took to have it rewound instead of scrapping it. (It just
>>>up and quit one day when I was using it - let the magic smoke out)
>>
>>Hunt around for a used Hilti, . Ebay is good for this
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HILTI-TE1-TE-1-ROTARY-CONCRETE-HAMMER-DRILL-CORDED_W0QQitemZ260567770235QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Hammer_Drills?hash=item3cab0ca47b
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/HILTI-TE15-ROTARY-HAMMER-DRILL-w-CHUCK-ADAPTER_W0QQitemZ230448611603QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Hammer_Drills?hash=item35a7cec113
>>
>>
>
>Got myself a new Makita "D" handle drill. If and when I need a Hammer
>Drill I'll borrow or rent one unless I find a good used one cheap. A
>dedicated Hilti Hammer-drill would be just fine.

Some years ago, I wandered into a second hand store and found a Hilti
TE15 in a case with a bad cord. I talked the guy down to $65. Walked
out to the truck, fixed the cord, fired it up off the inverter (Ive got
a 2500 watt inverter in the van) and chortled as I drilled holes in his
parking lot pavement. Ive been happy as hell with it since then.

I picked up a BIG Milwaukee hammer drill a couple years ago at a yard
sale for $20. Uses the hex shank 7/16 bits...which are harder to find
than SDS. I snagged a few off Ebay, a few at the swap meets etc etc.
Works fine. Tuesday I blew a 2" hole through 14" of foundation wall,
to install air lines for a big screw compressor. Didnt take very damned
long to drill out that hole either. Love that thing..but it weighs
almost 20 lbs. Its the version the 5300 was based on.

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 10:16 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:53:18 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:57:53 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:28:59 -0700, "Bill Noble"
>><nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Gerald Miller" <grmiller@rogers.com> wrote in message
>>>news:mtmjp5t9lgjegpl4unfhsfbh398eaa1i11@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:48:18 -0500, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>My wife and daughters bought me a 1/2 hammerdrill for my
>>>>>birthday/fathers day last June.
>>>
>>>
>>>so, if you want a really nice hammer drill, my friend just asked me to sell
>>>off one for him - a Red Head 747 - in a metal case with a pile of
>>>accessories - is this made by Bosch? it says ITT, but maybe Bosh bought out
>>>their tool division - it's certainly heavy and rugged and ought to do the
>>>trick
>>>
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300407022032
>
>If it was closer and the shipping wasn't so expensive I'd bid on it.
>But shipping that thing from southern California to Waterloo Ontario
>would cost as much as the drill is worth.

Speaking of which.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/Millwaukee-7-8-Splinned-Shank-SDS-Bit_W0QQitemZ220571284253QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Hammer_Drills?hash=item335b12b31d

figure out the cost of that drill bit..........

Guy is an idiot or a dreamer.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Al Gore takes aim
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4e2ba8fcc22c79a4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:00 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:37:23 +0000, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:

> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:eak6q5tkh677j35fsmiocsh8nqom3fbvbq@4ax.com:
>
>> On 14 Mar 2010 05:29:18 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>olution-status-fcsts-web.pdf
>>
>>
>> Looks like 1998 was the hot year and its been getting cooler ever
>> since.
>>
>>
> Cliff isn't very good at math and has little understanding of science.
> It's funny how he will dismiss ten years of cooler temperatures as
> "weather" but cites an El Nino as a sign of impending global doom.

Untrue: http://
www.g2weather.com/.a/6a010535bea9f5970b010536311139970b-800wi

--
Regards, Curly
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:32 pm
From: rangerssuck

On Mar 19, 11:03 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "D Murphy" <dmurf...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> news:Xns9D40E620AFEEDdmurf154attnet@130.133.4.11...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >news:eak6q5tkh677j35fsmiocsh8nqom3fbvbq@4ax.com:
>
> >> On 14 Mar 2010 05:29:18 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >>>olution-status-fcsts-web.pdf
>
> >> Looks like 1998 was the hot year and its been getting cooler ever since.
>
> > Cliff isn't very good at math and has little understanding of science.
> > It's
> > funny how he will dismiss ten years of cooler temperatures as "weather"
> > but
> > cites an El Nino as a sign of impending global doom.
>
> > --
>
> > Dan
>
> What's even funnier is you, or Gunner, or Larry, pretending that you have
> even the slightest clue of what you're talking about. You grab one little
> bag of factoids or another, and pretend that you know whether that bag is
> significant or not in the larger scheme of climate science, and then
> pontificate about your "data" and "proofs" as if they're worth more than a
> warm pitcher of piss.
>
> You really are some of the most farcical frauds on Usenet. I mean this in
> the nicest way, of course. d8-)
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

I would venture to guess that there is NOBODY who participates in this
group who has the math skills required to understand, even
superficially, the raw data that the deniers keep demanding. Yet that
would never stop certain people from spouting their own version of
garbage as the "one truth."

There is nothing inherently wrong with choosing to believe the
findings of a given scientist. But don't pretend that you have the
chops to understand those findings in any but the most elementary way,
or the methodology used to arrive at them.

Or, you could take the really simplistic route:

In Northern NJ:
* A couple of weeks ago, it was really cold and very snowy.

* Last week, it was pretty chilly and very windy and rainy.

* Today it was severely clear, sunny and warm.

Based on those observations alone, I'd say it's indisputable that
there's a significant warming trend...

Dan, Gunner, Larry and Rush would probably disagree.

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TOPIC: Speaking of aluminum cylinder bores...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0529ed0b59765e57?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:04 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:35:29 +0000 (UTC), dbr@kbrx.com wrote:

>Thanks for the info Don. While you're here, do you know how much of a load
>the anodized surface can handle as a bearing?
>
>Hul
NON annodized aluminum works good for camshaft bearings on many OHC
engines - just bored in the casting.
Most engine main bearings are also aluminum - although usually steel
backed. With a pressurized lubrication system aluminum bearings can
take a pretty substantial load.

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TOPIC: WAY OT [OT] Speak Landscaper
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/489b2cc23aed5ac6?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:04 pm
From: Winston

On 3/19/2010 7:51 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:00:15 -0700, the infamous Winston
> <Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:

(...)

>> With some folks, the truth is just a happy coincidence.
>
> And this one didn't believe in coincidences, huh? So solly.

It's a transcendent shock when I catch someone telling the
truth, lately. Present company excepted of course.

--Winston

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:06 pm
From: Winston

On 3/19/2010 4:31 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Winston"<Winston@bigbrother.net> wrote in message
> news:ho0vvu020mf@news3.newsguy.com...
>> On 3/19/2010 2:36 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>> Don't stand.
>>> Don't stand so.
>>> Don't stand so close to me...
>>> (Sting's words regarding that -other- book by Nabokov)
>>
>> The book must be great because the song it inspired is too, IMHO.
>>
>> --Winston
>
> Yes, a very good book. _Lolita_. d8-)

I'll have to download it into my iPod.
I suspect it will be a change from _Dracula_.

--Winston

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:07 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:48:28 -0700, the infamous Winston
<Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:

>On 3/19/2010 9:23 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:14:10 -0700, the infamous Winston
>> <Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:
>
>(...)
>
>>> Good idea!
>>
>> That's why you always get a written agreement and only pay half the
>> money as a downpayment--unless the materials cost is more than half
>> the job price.
>>
>> If you draw up sketches or computerized plans, have the contractor
>> initial them as having seen the copy. If he screws the pooch as badly
>> as this guy did, you'll have something with which to go after him
>> since he saw what you were after. If he's licensed and bonded,
>> repayment is immediate. Small Claims Court takes time. (I'm
>> claim-free and hope to remain that way for as long as I own the
>> business.)
>
>Yeah, this was a little weird but I *am* pleased with the results.
>
>The guy was very good inside his area of expertise, though
>someday I'm going to remember that one does not ask a
>landscaper to do anything other than landscaping.
>(Smacks forehead)

Some are more capable than others. Get references, go online to check
their licensing and insurance/bond validity, and THEN talk to 'em.
IOW, do your homework, suckah.

>Note to self: No carpentry! No electrical!
>But mostly No Plumbing! Dayum.

A good landscape company should be well versed and capable in _all_ of
the above. <shrug>

>--
>Today's retailer is in an awkward position.
>He must assuage his visceral need to anger
>some of his clients while having to delight
>them sufficiently to guarantee repeat business.

<bseg>

--
Adults are obsolete children. --Dr. Seuss (Theodore Geisel, 1904-1991)
--

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:11 pm
From: Winston

On 3/19/2010 4:49 PM, Ned Simmons wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:05:39 -0700, Winston<Winston@bigbrother.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/19/2010 2:36 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>> Don't stand.
>>> Don't stand so.
>>> Don't stand so close to me...
>>> (Sting's words regarding that -other- book by Nabokov)
>>
>> The book must be great because the song it inspired is too, IMHO.
>
> The song is not very faithful to the story. I found it quite
> disappoinitng after seeing the movie.

I suspect Sting was aiming for the broad strokes.

............

Did I just say that? (Blush)

> But seriously, I don't read much fiction, and there are only a handful
> of books I've read more than once. Lolita is near the top of the list.
> (Not counting Yertle the Turtle, Where the Wild Things Are, The Cat in
> the Hat, Goodnight Moon...)

Those aren't euphemisms are they, Ned? :)

--Winston

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:13 pm
From: Winston

On 3/19/2010 7:59 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:05:39 -0700, the infamous Winston
> <Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:
>
>> On 3/19/2010 2:36 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>> Don't stand.
>>> Don't stand so.
>>> Don't stand so close to me...
>>> (Sting's words regarding that -other- book by Nabokov)
>>
>> The book must be great because the song it inspired is too, IMHO.
>
> The movie didn't take enough advantage of the subject matter.
> <domg>

I suspect the subject matter doesn't want to be taken advantage of.

--Winston

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:54 pm
From: Winston

On 3/19/2010 9:07 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:48:28 -0700, the infamous Winston
> <Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:

(...)

>> Note to self: No carpentry! No electrical!
>> But mostly No Plumbing! Dayum.
>
> A good landscape company should be well versed and capable in _all_ of
> the above.<shrug>

A week after the completion of hardscape in the front yard,
the doorbell rang. A very nice lady pointed at various plants,
fresh potting soil and a *lot* of water that were proceeding
down the driveway.

She indicated that one normally expects to see these items
remaining fixed in relation to one other and implied
that I might investigate why they insisted on an eastbound
trajectory instead of the more traditional stasis.

I thanked her and shut off the main house valve.

The plants, soil and water continued their journey.

I zipped into the garage and snapped up the street valve
wrench. After shutting off the street valve, the
mini tsunami subsided at last.

My dear landscaper friends had placed a compression tee
in the main water line to the house, upstream
of the shutoff.
Naturally, their joint failed, causing the gusher.

Only a week later, I replaced the plastic pipe running
underneath all the very expensive hard scape to the
street valve and spliced the irrigation system into the
*irrigation feed valve the landscapers had ignored*.

It's worked well for about 7 years but you can bet I wonder
what other surprises lurk.

(Shudder)

--Winston

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TOPIC: OT: awsome gadget - neat machine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0360845d7d44226a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:23 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:37:34 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:17:54 +0800, "Royston Vasey" <royston@vasey.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Someone else posted this link somewhere else. It's half on topic......very
>>impressive little machine, pity they dont show close ups of the
>>construction:
>>
>>
>>
>>Like RC helis? This Hexacopter is amazing:
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyYujjP5J-k
>>
>
>Oh my god...gotta have one..gotta have one!!
>
>
>Gunner, who just picked his next hobby!

Just think of all the neat toys it could carry. <wink>

--
Adults are obsolete children. --Dr. Seuss (Theodore Geisel, 1904-1991)
--

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 10:00 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:23:24 -0700, Larry Jaques
<ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:37:34 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:17:54 +0800, "Royston Vasey" <royston@vasey.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Someone else posted this link somewhere else. It's half on topic......very
>>>impressive little machine, pity they dont show close ups of the
>>>construction:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Like RC helis? This Hexacopter is amazing:
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyYujjP5J-k
>>>
>>
>>Oh my god...gotta have one..gotta have one!!
>>
>>
>>Gunner, who just picked his next hobby!
>
>Just think of all the neat toys it could carry. <wink>

Indeed! With a decent video camera/wireless link it could even be used
to drop explo...er...gum drops to happy children!! Oh hell yes
indeedy!!!
<G>

That looks like a TREMENDOUS amount of fun!!

And Ive already got a 4 channel rig that Id bought to fly the glider Ive
never completed...sigh.....

Now..I wonder now much it costs to build one? And of course..one
assumes that Titanium would work? ah..I happen to have a tinsey amount
of that tucked away.....

>
>--
>Adults are obsolete children. --Dr. Seuss (Theodore Geisel, 1904-1991)

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: OT What's your take? OT
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/90f2ae9b8081ec29?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 9:43 pm
From: cavelamb

dcaster@krl.org wrote:

>
> If that is the case, why did they bother to put the words in the bill?
>
> Dan

The language to which opponents refer, and which the Washington Examiner
explicitly cited, changes the rules of each House to limit Congress' ability to
change the recommendations of the Board.

(3) LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THE BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS-

`(A) IN GENERAL- It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of
Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, or amendment, pursuant to this
subsection or conference report thereon, that fails to satisfy the requirements
of subparagraphs (A)(i) and (C) of subsection (c)(2).

`(B) LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THE BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS IN OTHER LEGISLATION- It
shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider
any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report (other than pursuant to
this section) that would repeal or otherwise change the recommendations of the
Board if that change would fail to satisfy the requirements of subparagraphs
(A)(i) and (C) of subsection (c)(2).

`(C) LIMITATION ON CHANGES TO THIS SUBSECTION- It shall not be in order in the
Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution,
amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this
subsection.

`(D) WAIVER- This paragraph may be waived or suspended in the Senate only by the
affirmative vote of three-fifths of the Members, duly chosen and sworn.

`(E) APPEALS- An affirmative vote of three-fifths of the Members of the Senate,
duly chosen and sworn, shall be required in the Senate to sustain an appeal of
the ruling of the Chair on a point of order raised under this paragraph.

Congress can overturn this rule with a 3/5ths majority vote, in which case
nothing would stand in the way of Congress changing the recommendations of the
Board and voting on the changed version.

Section 3403 also includes language saying that the Secretary of Health and
Human Services must not implement the recommendations of the Board if Congress
acts to discontinue it using certain specified procedures. Nothing in the text
says, nor could it constitutionally say, that Congress cannot enact new law
terminating the Board, or for that matter, repealing any or all of the bill. The
text does not restrict Congress's ability to terminate the Board; it creates a
mechanism whereby Congress could terminate the Board more easily.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 10:11 pm
From: rangerssuck

On Mar 18, 9:49 pm, "Steve B" <deserttra...@fishymail.net> wrote:
> Do you think this fiasco will pass Sunday?
>
> I hope and pray reason will prevail. But I thought McCain would win.
>
> Go figger.
>
> Steve

To whom or what are you praying, and do you think that entity values
your tax dollar more than the health and lives of those who can't
afford the current bullshit we call "health insurance?"

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 10:15 pm
From: rangerssuck

On Mar 19, 8:08 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:08:16 -0700, Larry Jaques
>
>
>
>
>
> <ljaq...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
> >On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:44 -0700, the infamous "Steve B"
> ><deserttra...@fishymail.net> scrawled the following:
>
> >>Do you think this fiasco will pass Sunday?
>
> >Those fools just might do it.
>
> >>I hope and pray reason will prevail.
>
> >In WASHINGTON, D.C.? What were you thinking?
> >-------------------
>
> >If it passes, I'll bet you can count the seconds before a
> >2nd American Revolution starts thundering through our country.
>
> >I think I'll stock up on groceries and get more water today, JIC.
>
> And some extra ammo......
>
Are you at all serious about ANYTHING that you write? Do you really
expect an "end of the world" over this legislation, which replaces,
formalizes and funds some of the charity care which has kept you alive
the past few years? Seriously?

Maybe you should consider stocking up on tin foil.

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TOPIC: Wingers keep lying !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3e88a3bd89afa214?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 10:03 pm
From: Cliff

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:04:50 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:32:51 +0000, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>Hang Dog <righteous@wobble.nospam.net> got double secret probation for
>writing:
>
>>Aratzio wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:32:42 +0000, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>> Hang Dog <righteous@wobble.nospam.net> got double secret probation for
>>> writing:
>>>
>>>> Aratzio wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:19:16 +0000, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>> Hang Dog <righteous@wobble.nospam.net> got double secret probation for
>>>>> writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RogerN wrote:
>>>>>>> Why is it that liberals care about criminals dying from the death penalty,
>>>>>>> care about the soldiers dying in Iraq (as we all should) but don't give a
>>>>>>> hoot about ripping up an innocent baby fighting for it's life in its mothers
>>>>>>> womb?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because it is incredibly funny.
>>>>> That and we need stem cells to help keep us young.
>>>> Hush now or Roger will be calling Jack Barron.
>>>
>>> He is friends with a guy who killed his whole family?
>>>
>>
>>You seem to be referring to some obscure serial killer. I was referring
>>to some semi-obscure scifi book that involved harvesting kids for the
>>purposes of immortality.
>
>*sigh*
>He has been whining about abortion and paying child support. I just
>felt the serial murdered fit better.

He just thinks people should be born, raised & educated first & killed second.
Priorities.
--
Cliff

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 10:15 pm
From: Zombywoof

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:02:39 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:42:09 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>Zombywoof <fishwings@live.com> got double secret probation for
>writing:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>>>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>
>>>>RogerN
>>>>
>>>
>>>How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>accountable?
>>>
>>I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
>>lie then the teller.
>
>So you believe the victim is at fault.
>
>I suppose women that get raped should have stayed home?
>
>Fuck you are stupid.
>
And you're the rocket scientist who compared believing a lie to a
violent crime -- BFD.
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 10:16 pm
From: Zombywoof

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:49:53 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Fire-A-Full-Spred-Of-Photon-Torpedoes@blackhole.NebulaX.com>
wrote:

>On 3/19/2010 7:02 PM, Aratzio wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:42:09 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> Zombywoof <fishwings@live.com> got double secret probation for
>> writing:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>> Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>>>>> you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>>
>>>>> RogerN
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>> accountable?
>>>>
>>> I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
>>> lie then the teller.
>>
>> So you believe the victim is at fault.
>>
>> I suppose women that get raped should have stayed home?
>>
>> Fuck you are stupid.
>>
>Police will tell you to turn your lights on so the criminals will go
>down the street and rob someone else with no lights on....
>
>
>Is it your fault that the person down teh street was robbed?
>
No it is his fault that he didn't provide them with assistance in
paying their electrical bill.
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

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