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TOPIC: OT What's your take? OT
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/90f2ae9b8081ec29?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 5:35 pm
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> fired this volley in
news:2g48q5lqla3glmvbq3aro8fi57t908qieu@4ax.com:

> And some extra ammo......

Look what Harry Reid Hid deep in the Health Care Bill

Unbelievable - Harry Reid Hidden deep in the Health Care Bill this
passage.

They never stop, they will keep trying to shove this down our throats
until they get it through...pass this on to everyone...

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada is proving once again the
maxim that darkness hates the light.

Buried in his massive amendment to the Senate version of Obamacare is
Reid's anti-democratic poison pill designed to prevent any future
Congress from repealing the central feature of this monstrous
legislation!

Beginning on page 1,000 of the measure, Section 3403 reads in part: ".
it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to
consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would
repeal or otherwise change this subsection."

In other words, if President Barack Obama signs this measure into law,
no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section
3403, regardless whether future Americans or their representatives in
Congress wish otherwise!!

Note that the subsection at issue here concerns the regulatory power of
the Independent Medicare Advisory Board (IMAB) to "reduce the per capita
rate of growth in Medicare spending."

That is precisely the kind of open-ended grant of regulatory power that
effectively establishes the IMAB as the ultimate arbiter of the cost,
quality and quantity of health care to be made available to the American
people. And Reid wants the decisions of this group of unelected federal
bureaucrats to be untouchable for all time.

No wonder the majority leader tossed aside assurances that senators and
the public would have at least 72 hours to study the text of the final
Senate version of Obamacare before the critical vote on cloture. And no
wonder Reid was so desperate to rush his amendment through the Senate,
even scheduling the key tally on it at 1 a.m., while America slept.

True to form, Reid wanted to keep his Section 3403 poison pill secret
for as long as possible, just as he negotiated his bribes for the votes
of Senators Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Bernie
Sanders of Vermont behind closed doors.

The final Orwellian touch in this subversion of democratic procedure is
found in the ruling of the Reid-controlled Senate Parliamentarian that
the anti-repeal provision is not a change in Senate rules, but rather of
Senate "procedures." Why is that significant? Because for 200 years,
changes in the Senate's standing rules have required approval by two-
thirds of those voting, or 67 votes rather than the 60 Reid's amendment
received.

Reid has flouted two centuries of standing Senate rules to pass a
measure in the dead of night that no senator has read, and part of which
can never be changed. If this is not tyranny, then what is?

LLoyd

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:12 pm
From: "anorton"

What scholars (not!) are you cutting and pasting this from? This has been
in the bill for months and it does not mean that no future congress can
repeal this section. see here for the facts
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/medicare-board-unrepealable/

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:16 pm
From: Ned Simmons

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:35:58 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

>
> In other words, if President Barack Obama signs this measure into law,
>no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section
>3403, regardless whether future Americans or their representatives in
>Congress wish otherwise!!
>

As far as I know, an act of Congress cannot limit the actions of a
future Congress.

--
Ned Simmons

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:22 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D40D18DF3337lloydspmindspringcom@216.168.3.70...
> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> fired this volley in
> news:2g48q5lqla3glmvbq3aro8fi57t908qieu@4ax.com:
>
>> And some extra ammo......
>
> Look what Harry Reid Hid deep in the Health Care Bill
>
> Unbelievable - Harry Reid Hidden deep in the Health Care Bill this
> passage.
>
> They never stop, they will keep trying to shove this down our throats
> until they get it through...pass this on to everyone...
>
>
> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada is proving once again the
> maxim that darkness hates the light.
>
> Buried in his massive amendment to the Senate version of Obamacare is
> Reid's anti-democratic poison pill designed to prevent any future
> Congress from repealing the central feature of this monstrous
> legislation!
>
> Beginning on page 1,000 of the measure, Section 3403 reads in part: ".
> it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to
> consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would
> repeal or otherwise change this subsection."
>
> In other words, if President Barack Obama signs this measure into law,
> no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section
> 3403, regardless whether future Americans or their representatives in
> Congress wish otherwise!!

<snip>

This is not true, Lloyd. It's an amateurish misreading of the text by
RedState, which was in turn picked up by Sarah ("Death Panel") Palin, our
Idiot-in-Chief. Then the Washington Times and the right-wing blogosphere
revved up their engines and drove over the cliff.

Here's the real story. This kind of *rules* limitation has been done several
times in the past. It is not a *legislation* limitation. Congress can
overturn the whole thing any time they want to, with a regular vote:

http://www.neutralsource.org/content/blog/detail/1452/

It is not Constitutional for Congress to pass a law that says future
congresses can't overturn it. It wouldn't stand up if they tried.

--
Ed Huntress

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:25 pm
From: Ignoramus4239

For those interested in estimating chances of Obamacare legislation
passing, here's an interesting page:

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/trading/t_index.jsp?selConID=709242

Intrade is a prediction market, and participants, who are betting with
real money, currently estimate the chance of it passing as 84%.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:26 pm
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> fired this volley in
news:4ba4233f$0$31268$607ed4bc@cv.net:

> It is not Constitutional for Congress to pass a law that says future
> congresses can't overturn it. It wouldn't stand up if they tried.
>
>

I already knew that. This is a regularly-circulated chain letter from
the abjectly right-ish folks who can't actually figure out how to go
vote.

I do. I will.

November 2012... the end of an error.

<G>
LLoyd

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:30 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D40DA203283Flloydspmindspringcom@216.168.3.70...
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> fired this volley in
> news:4ba4233f$0$31268$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
>> It is not Constitutional for Congress to pass a law that says future
>> congresses can't overturn it. It wouldn't stand up if they tried.
>>
>>
>
> I already knew that. This is a regularly-circulated chain letter from
> the abjectly right-ish folks who can't actually figure out how to go
> vote.

Ah, it would have helped if you'd added a smiley or something. I thought you
actually believed that stuff.

--
Ed Huntress

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:51 pm
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 19, 9:25 pm, Ignoramus4239 <ignoramus4...@NOSPAM.4239.invalid>
wrote:
> For those interested in estimating chances of Obamacare legislation
> passing, here's an interesting page:
>
> http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/trading/t_index.jsp?selConID=709242
>
> Intrade is a prediction market, and participants, who are betting with
> real money, currently estimate the chance of it passing as 84%.
>
> i

So does Intrade have any predictions on the 2010 elections? Is Reid
likely to be reelected?

Dan

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TOPIC: How would this have been made?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/777b844bc7e4b599?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 5:39 pm
From: "Michael Koblic"

"Jim Wilkins" <kb1dal@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:13f20a1a-01b8-4345-80ca-72457edd5064@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 18, 1:56 am, "Michael Koblic" <mkob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/displayRepro.cfm?reproID=D9025&pictu...
>>
>> Specifically the base: The description says "turned brass". In 1600,
>> would
>> it have been turned from a large brass chunk? Would it have been
>> rough-cast
>> first and then "cleaned up" by turning? If turned, presumably this would
>> have been done by hand...?
>>
>> --
>> Michael Koblic,
>> Campbell River, BC
>
> Holzapffel's "Hand or Simple Turning", page 17, shows a woodcut from
> 1568 of a man turning a large sphere on a pole lathe. He is holding
> the chisel under his arm in the way I've seen recommended for turning
> metal by hand.
>
> I think the base might have been cast in an open sand mold formed by
> rotating a template of the shape. Fill it, wait a bit, pour it back
> out leaving a thin shell of solidified metal.
>
> " Pyrotechnia" is a thorough description of smelting, refining and
> casting practice from 1540. The author made bells and cannon, not
> small artsy stuff, and as the title suggests he concentrates on work
> done with fire rather than tools, though some tool work necessarily
> crept in.
> http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/?tid=7085&ttype=2
>
> When I was 5 years old we lived near a small foundry. They let me
> watch as they mostly hand-shaped the sand molds for parts to fix old
> looms and cast them in aluminum. The tools are similar to those for
> wax carving.
>

I figured as much. All those curves...

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TOPIC: Polishing nonwoven wheel for buffers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/77836da16e55925f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 5:51 pm
From: Ignoramus4239

On 2010-03-20, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:09:34 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
><bobengelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Ned Simmons wrote:
>>...
>>> McMaster p/n 46575A73 ...
>>
>>There must be some mistake - that item is $67.73. Surely, an 8" x 1"
>>polishing wheel CAN'T be that much?
>
> A typical Scotchbright wheel costs $45

I actually bought that wheel from McMaster. It turned out to be Norton
Bear-Tex wheel, not 3M. It has the same exact feel as the old wheel
(which, IIRC, was not marked as 3M either) and it works amazingly well
at polishing things, being a bigger diameter. I just polished a 3/4"
by 3" cylinder in about 1-2 minutes, just to try it. I am very happy
with this wheel.

On my 3/4 HP Baldor grinder, now, I have this Bear-Tex wheel for
polishing, and a 3M DBX wheel for deburring.

I am sure that I will make my money back many times over, by polishing
things before putting them on ebay.

>>
>>And what's with the 3" arbor hole that it has? How do you mount a wheel
>>with a 3" hole? OK, OK, I know ... you make an adapter. But why should
>>you have to, why doesn't it come with some reasonably sized hole?
>>
>>Bob
>
>
> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Larios Horizontal mill and shop straightening
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/2abaee7e613ad0f8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 5:58 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:45:08 -0700, Larry Jaques
<ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:14:13 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:08:40 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
>><bruceNOSPAMbergman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:56:05 -0500, Gerald Miller
>>><grmiller@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's handy to have rolls of vinyl tape in different colours around.
>>>
>>> That only counts when you do the deed, then you tape it up properly
>>>- but even then it's considered Temporary. You order 10-4 SO cable
>>>and the proper 4-pin Twistlock cord caps and receptacles for each
>>>tool, so it has a real ground connection.
>>>
>>> If I ran around taping up every cable like that when I was at a
>>>customer's for a repair job, I could easily waste days at it.
>>>
>>> And they usually don't want to pay for it either, amazing how many
>>>foolish people have the reins of the checkbook. I sometimes toss the
>>>tape job in for free when I touch the tool under the "it's the right
>>>thing to do, and nobody else is gonna do it" doctrine.
>>>
>>> Besides, if it goes chassis hot I might be the first one to touch it
>>>accidentally. And trust me, that is never a fun feeling.
>>>
>>> --<< Bruce >>--
>>
>>
>>I was down in a shop in Tustin a few years back, checking out a Smith
>>Lehman lathe...8" spindle bore. I was laying on my back on a concrete
>>floor, meter in hand checking something, and reached up and grabbed the
>>machine to pull myself up..and ZAPPPPPP!
>>
>>There I was, doing a pretty good imitation of a marlin on 200 lb test
>>and one of the guys came over and kicked my arm hard enough to break my
>>grip.
>>
>>The owner came running over about the same time, busted into a hard
>>sweat.
>>
>>After laying there a minute or two, getting the ol heart beat back to
>>somewhere close to normal...I told him it really needed a decent ground,
>>after I found out where the short to machine was, and that plastic
>>really didnt make good machine feet insulators if he didnt have a good
>>ground. I killed power, found the problem, repaired it, installed a
>>good ground (he was using 3 wire instead of 4 wire) and installed a new
>>cable up to the disconnect on the wall. And a good ground.
>>
>>One of the operators commented...."ya know...I tot I vas feeling a
>>little tingle ven I cranked da levers..but only ven I vor my going home
>>shoes (leather soles)"
>>
>>Crom but I hate cheap bastards.
>
>Glad to hear that you survived it. So, what's the standard upcharge
>for being electrocuted by your client? An extra day's work?

Shrug..that was in the Good Times..so I only charged him for the extra
hour or so that it took, plus cost of materials.

Today..that would cost him another 5 hours

Gunner

>
>
>--
>Adults are obsolete children. --Dr. Seuss (Theodore Geisel, 1904-1991)

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Eklind hexagon keys
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6fc88807e0e8f5b4?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:05 pm
From: Christopher Tidy

Ned Simmons wrote:

>>Do Bondhus make keys without the ball end? I don't like ball end keys
>>myself.
>
>
> Yes, they do.

Thanks. Looks like the set I need is No. 12342. Sadly I can't find that
set listed for sale in England, so I'll likely be going with an Eklind
set. Probably this one:
http://www.buckandryan.co.uk/product.php/section//sn/EKL10213

Chris

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:07 pm
From: Christopher Tidy

Gunner Asch wrote:

> When your storebought holder finally loosens up..go to any good Tool
> store and pick up those coin shaped yellow holders..about 2" in diameter
> with a small spring that goes all the way around it. Get em in Metric
> and Standard. Bout $3.50 each,
>
> Cant remember the name at the moment, but thats all I use on the job.
> Works great, tough, handy and keeps the wrenches in place just fine.
>
> Someone help with the name and a link? Or do I have to go out to the
> truck?

Sounds neat. After you next use them, post the name if you can remember.
But hopefully I won't need it for a few years...

Chris

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:11 pm
From: Christopher Tidy

Gunner Asch wrote:

> you mean "allen" wrenches?

Allen keys, Allen wrenches, hexagon keys, hexagon wrenches...and a few
others I think...they go by many names.

> Ecllind, Allen, Bondhus are the most common ones here in the US, with my
> personal choice going first for Bondhus, then Allen, then Ecklind, but
> only because Ive used far more Bondhus than Eclind. They are ALL 3,
> excellent "wrenches".

Looks like it's going to be Eklind for me. I have a number of big Allen
brand keys, things like 16 mm and 22 mm. 22 mm is the size for opening
mercury flasks :-). I like the Allen brand keys, but their sets only
come in a crappy vinyl wallet. I need better storage than that.

Chris

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:14 pm
From: Christopher Tidy

Wes wrote:

> I've replaced a lot of bits in hex sockets with cut up chunks of Bondhus hex keys, the
> Bondhus replacements last far longer. When they do fail, they tend to fail lengthwise.

You mean they split longitudinally like a sausage? I'm just trying to
figure out the stresses in my mind. Probably the corners/ridges are
important too.

Chris

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:28 pm
From: Ned Simmons

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:14:12 +0000, Christopher Tidy
<cdt22NOSPAM@cantabgold.net> wrote:

>Wes wrote:
>
>> I've replaced a lot of bits in hex sockets with cut up chunks of Bondhus hex keys, the
>> Bondhus replacements last far longer. When they do fail, they tend to fail lengthwise.
>
>You mean they split longitudinally like a sausage? I'm just trying to
>figure out the stresses in my mind. Probably the corners/ridges are
>important too.

Sounds like a textbook torsional fatigue failure.
http://school.mech.uwa.edu.au/~dwright/DANotes/springs/fatigue/fatigue.html
http://school.mech.uwa.edu.au/~dwright/DANotes/springs/fatigue/fatigueSurfaceBIG.jpeg

--
Ned Simmons

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TOPIC: ListerPro Professional Organizer Software
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:03 pm
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TOPIC: CUNTER ASH-----Strom Thurmond was a liberal......How stupid is CUNTER?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1e2a07d02c1cd3a5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:03 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:50:21 -0500, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:

>Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
>>It was formed in the south right after the Civil War and the founder was
>>the famous confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest. Different people
>>will give different reasons why it was formed. Some say it was to stop
>>northern carpetbaggers, others say it was to keep the freed slaves under
>>white control. But it was always a racist group so the reasons aren't
>>that important. What was important was what they did, which was to
>>intimidate, murder, and control black people.
>
>That hasn't changed either.
>
>Wes

Fortunately there arnt as many Kluxers as in years past. Nor Aryan
Brotherhood, etc etc.

Most are in prison.
and with 3 Strikes..likely to stay there till they die.

Which is a very very good thing.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Engine bore measurements - update
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/36b58dee016a3a28?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:19 pm
From: Christopher Tidy

David Billington wrote:

Chris,
>
> Not sure what model but it looked much like the one in this youtube
> video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvzsuP_8Ww . Big heavy flywheel on
> it, may have been due to its use on a stationary crane, the flywheel
> probably weighed more than a modern 7hp small engine. IIRC the starting
> handle was a S shaped piece of bent bar, not made from flat like the one
> in the video.

That's a Model 4/3. Smaller and faster running than my Model 5. I had a
look at more pictures of these lawnmowers. I have now come to the
conclusion that my starting handle is probably original, but that it and
the dog in the centre of the flywheel are worn, making the handle a
loose fit. It may also be missing a rotating grip.

Chris

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TOPIC: TurboNut progress
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/136469235bd79231?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:21 pm
From: Christopher Tidy

steamer wrote:
> --Posted a few photos of my injection molded parts. Will make better
> parts if I can get access to a wire EDM machine to cut a better die than the
> one I can machine on the mill.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/steamboat_ed/4440582361/in/set-72157613636548203/

Maybe I missed an earlier thread, but what's the part for?

Chris

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TOPIC: Rush to flee US
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/589453ba81b739ca?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:26 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:ho134k$86n$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>> "The full experiment of a government, democratical, but representative,
>> was
>> and is still reserved for us. The introduction of this new principle of
>> REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY has rendered useless almost everything written
>> before on the structure of government; and, in a great measure, relieves
>> our
>> regret, if the political writings of Aristotle, or of any other ancient,
>> have been lost, or are unfaithfully rendered or explained to us. --
>> Jefferson, letter to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1816
>>
>> "I consider the war as made for just causes [War of 1812 -- ed.] , and
>> its
>> dispensation as providential, inasmuch as it has exercised our patriotism
>> and submission to order, has planted and invigorated among us arts of
>> urgent
>> necessity, has manifested the strong and the weak parts of our republican
>> institutions, and the excellence of a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY compared
>> with the misrule of kings, has rallied the opinions of mankind to the
>> natural rights of expatriation... -- Jefferson, letter to Mr. Wendover.
>> Washington ed. vi, 444.
>> (M. 1815)"
>>
>> Shall I go on?<g>
>>
>> It really boils down to one question: What do you mean by a republic?
>> It's
>> really a good question, and the answer cuts through all of this nonsense
>> quoting.
>>
>
>
> Don't you think the problem these guys have is they don't understand the
> meaning of the word democracy?

I think that the first problem is that they don't know what the *Founders*
meant by the word democracy.

> It seems that they have got the idea that democracy means only one thing,
> a direct democracy. I guess they never learned that under the overarching
> term "democracy" there are considerably more than only one kind. They must
> have gone to "government" schools.
>
> Hawke

The bigger problem is that they all have different ideas about what the word
republic means, now, and what they think it meant to the Founders. Hamilton,
Madison, and Jefferson all gave their definitions -- all of them different.
<g>

Jefferson acknowledged the problem in one of his letters. Yes, I have it on
tap if required. And numerous historians, including the primary historian of
Madison and his writings, make clear that what Madison meant by a "republic"
then is what we now call a "representative democracy"; a phrase that
Jefferson was among the first to use, in that letter I quoted above from
1815.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: bucky wire feed
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f1d48f5d4781c22d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:32 pm
From: Mark Rand

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:03:07 -0500, "Karl Townsend"
<karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:

>"The kid" was trying to weld irrigation pipe today. My Century 500 (private
>label Sears made by Lincoln) Mig welder was giving him fits. The wire will
>hang up just 1/2 a second every now and then. Changes the arc length on him.
>
>We've replaced the liner and feed rolls, no joy. Any other suggestions?
>
>Also, I'm looking for a manual. Anybody know of a link?
>
>Karl
>
>
>

It's not something silly like the other end of the wire sticking out of the
side of the reel catching on something sometimes, is it?

Mark Rand
RTFM

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Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:39 pm
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

Mark Rand <randm@internettie.co.uk> fired this volley in
news:m998q5dh1sk6iieb2jqr5t32no93v7udmh@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:03:07 -0500, "Karl Townsend"
> <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"The kid" was trying to weld irrigation pipe today. My Century 500
>>(private label Sears made by Lincoln) Mig welder was giving him fits.
>>The wire will hang up just 1/2 a second every now and then. Changes
>>the arc length on him.
>>
>>We've replaced the liner and feed rolls, no joy. Any other
>>suggestions?
>>
>

Yeah, Karl. Replace the damned worn-out (or wrong-sized) tip. Once a
tip gets severely over-sized, it tends to allow the wire to wobble around
instead of staying in constant contact with some part of the bore. When
it does, the wire "spot welds" itself to some part of the bore of the
tip.

The wire must always contact the bore _firmly_, but not tight, or this
will happen every time.

LLoyd

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TOPIC: What steel for pry bars?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bcce4853edaf59b5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:49 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:36:09 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:58:50 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
><bobengelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>OK, from what Ed & Tim said, I do want something harder than mild steel,
>>so that it won't "yield" as soon as mild steel would.
>>
>>As to heat treating facilities, well, minimal - maximum heat capability
>>is propane forge. Obviously no automatic temp control.
>>
>>As to what I'm making: it's for taking down tin ceilings. The ceilings
>> will be salvaged, so the specifics of the tool are needed to minimize
>>damage. The bar needs to be about 16" long, to reach over the back of a
>>24" tile. It needs to have a long taper, coming to a thin edge, to work
>>under the nails without distorting the tin. One edge needs to be 3/4"
>>wide to fit into a nailing space. One end will be straight & the other
>>have a 90 degree leg. It will be pulling out 1" long 16 ga nails, so it
>>won't have to be very strong - I'm thinking 1/16" thick (from trials
>>with a 1/16" thick putty knife).
>>
>>If it wasn't for the length, I would re-shape the putty knife. Which
>>suggests brazing or silver soldering the knife on a longer handle - is
>>that doable? How about a 90 bend in it - I assume that would require
>>heating to bend, quenching, and tempering?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Bob
>
>http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=553310

Are you pointing out how many pry/crow/nail-bars there are in
existence, mon?

Bob, how about trying a shingle ripper? Throw a pair of vise grips
around the end of the flat at the handle and you have yourself a pry
bar for tin ceiling tiles. Why reinvent the wheel?

--
Adults are obsolete children. --Dr. Seuss (Theodore Geisel, 1904-1991)
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TOPIC: Wingers keep lying !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3e88a3bd89afa214?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 19 2010 6:49 pm
From: Beam Me Up Scotty

On 3/19/2010 7:02 PM, Aratzio wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:42:09 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
> Zombywoof <fishwings@live.com> got double secret probation for
> writing:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>> Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>>>> you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>
>>>> RogerN
>>>>
>>>
>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>> accountable?
>>>
>> I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
>> lie then the teller.
>
> So you believe the victim is at fault.
>
> I suppose women that get raped should have stayed home?
>
> Fuck you are stupid.
>
Police will tell you to turn your lights on so the criminals will go
down the street and rob someone else with no lights on....

Is it your fault that the person down teh street was robbed?

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