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TOPIC: DIY Two-Stroke Engine
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 11:59 am
From: Fred the Red Shirt

On Mar 27, 4:18 pm, cavelamb <cavel...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> wesley marceaux wrote:
> > your too late,, Mr. Chotia made an engine for the weedhopper that is exactly
> > what you described..you can go to the weedhopper site and buy one for under
> > a hundred bucks...........try,,,,you'll be surprised

I would indeed be very much surprised to find such an engine
available
for that price, unless it is a very simple model engine, as opposed to
one that might be used on a weedhopper.

>
> I was surprised - to see that the site hasn't been updated since 2005...
>
> I didn't see anything about an engine for under $100 either.

There are least three (3) weedhopper Yahoo groups:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/weedhopper/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WUPA/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Weedhopper-Ultralights/

The third appears to have fallen victim to spam, but there
may be something of interest in the earliest postings.

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 1:00 pm
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in news:horgl4
$b4i$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> I suggest that the 2nd ammendment to the constitution is a
> limit, of the power of government.
>

The whole Constitution is supposed to be a limitation on government.

--
Sleep well, tonight........

RD (The Sandman)

The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you
run out of other people's money.

Margaret Thatcher - February 5, 1976

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 1:56 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9D4B844EB67C2hopewell@216.196.97.130...
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in news:horgl4
> $b4i$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> I suggest that the 2nd ammendment to the constitution is a
>> limit, of the power of government.
>>
>
> The whole Constitution is supposed to be a limitation on government.

Hand raised in objection, RD. The Bill of Rights is an affirmation of rights
that the federal government will not violate. But the core of the
Constitution is the outline for a strong federal government that has
explicit central powers, constructed specifically to overcome the weaknesses
of the Articles of Confederation.

See the first 10 or 15 of the Federalist Papers. Madison and Hamilton are
describing the failings of weak government, the need for strength in the
federal government, and even the need for its powers to supercede those of
the states.

--
Ed Huntress

>
> --
> Sleep well, tonight........
>
> RD (The Sandman)
>
>
> The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you
> run out of other people's money.
>
> Margaret Thatcher - February 5, 1976

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 2:18 pm
From: Cliff

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:00:24 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:

>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in news:horgl4
>$b4i$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> I suggest that the 2nd ammendment to the constitution is a
>> limit, of the power of government.
>>
>
>The whole Constitution is supposed to be a limitation on government.

Indeed not or it would just say "No government(s) are allowed !!"

Governments exist (or should) to serve the people governed (the people as
a whole, not just some special people or special interests) in doing
what neither individuals nor businesses can properly do as well as
to limit and mitigate the excesses of either of them.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&defl=en&q=define:governed&ei=S2qyS-CzFISclgfmq6n_BA&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title&ved=0CAYQkAE
See also Locke & Rousseau.
And Jefferson, now to be excluded from history by Texas wingers
(replaced by Bubba we assume).
--
Cliff

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 2:42 pm
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in
news:4bb26584$0$4980$607ed4bc@cv.net:

>
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D4B844EB67C2hopewell@216.196.97.130...
>> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:horgl4 $b4i$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> I suggest that the 2nd ammendment to the constitution is a
>>> limit, of the power of government.
>>>
>>
>> The whole Constitution is supposed to be a limitation on government.
>
> Hand raised in objection, RD. The Bill of Rights is an affirmation of
> rights that the federal government will not violate.

True, but in reality it does and we both know that.

> But the core of
> the Constitution is the outline for a strong federal government that
> has explicit central powers, constructed specifically to overcome the
> weaknesses of the Articles of Confederation.

Yep.......and if you look at the Tenth Amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
or to the people.

IOW, if it ain't there in the Constitution as delegated to the United
States (Read Federal government) the feds don't have that power, it is
reserved either to the states or the people. Ergo, a limitation on
government.

> See the first 10 or 15 of the Federalist Papers. Madison and Hamilton
> are describing the failings of weak government, the need for strength
> in the federal government, and even the need for its powers to
> supercede those of the states.

I agree that the Constitutional Convention was to fix the inherent
weaknesses in the Articles of Confederation. No problem. However, I can
also read the Tenth Amendment which is a part of the Bill of Rights that
were pushed for by the anti-federalists to limit an overreach by that
central government.

--
Sleep well, tonight........

RD (The Sandman)

The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you
run out of other people's money.

Margaret Thatcher - February 5, 1976

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TOPIC: DIY Two-Stroke Engine Construction Methods
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 1:05 pm
From: TonyW

On 3/30/2010 10:22 AM, Tim Wescott wrote:

> There's an interesting Wikipedia article on the origins of the Chevy
> Vega. Apparently it was designed by GM corporate engineering, and shoved
> down Chevy's throat. Chevy wasn't allowed to make _any_ engineering
> changes, they were very grudging about building the thing, and that was
> a huge part of the problem.
>
> Apparently the wear point on the Vega engine wasn't the cylinder walls
> at all -- it was the valve guides*. But the oil leakage** got blamed on
> the cylinder walls because who could believe in an aluminum cylinder
> bore? For it's size it's certainly a damn strong engine.
>
> * Which were as new and innovative as the rest of the engine, just
> wrong. If you're going to make something that's new and innovative,
> identify the parts that _need_ to be new and innovative, and do the
> _rest_ of the thing with old reliable technology. Then when that works,
> go back and innovatize the rest of the thing, one system element at a time.
>

That was only 2 of the trifecta of problems with that engine. The last
problem was the Vega engine cooked it's oil to a tar like sludge in a
short amount of time. I've also heard that and oil cooler didn't help
much because part of the problem was in that oil pooled in the cylinder
head too long and picked up too much heat there.

Tony

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 2:49 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:22:34 -0700, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.now>
wrote:

>Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
>> On Mar 17, 2:32 am, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>> With some pretty fancy metallurgy you can use an aluminum cylinder wall.
>>> It's how the Chevy Vega was done, and it worked great -- except when
>>> it didn't.
>>> ...
>>
>> Which I thought was all of the time. I never heard of a Vega engine
>> that
>> lasted past 50,000 miles, or Vega body that wasn't rust perforated
>> after it's
>> second winter in the rust belt.
>>
>> Had it been built to last the Vega would have been a great little
>> car.
>
>There's an interesting Wikipedia article on the origins of the Chevy
>Vega. Apparently it was designed by GM corporate engineering, and
>shoved down Chevy's throat. Chevy wasn't allowed to make _any_
>engineering changes, they were very grudging about building the thing,
>and that was a huge part of the problem.
>
>Apparently the wear point on the Vega engine wasn't the cylinder walls
>at all -- it was the valve guides*. But the oil leakage** got blamed on
>the cylinder walls because who could believe in an aluminum cylinder
>bore? For it's size it's certainly a damn strong engine.
>

Totally not true. The only fix for the extreme oil burning was to
sleeve the block - and that is not required for valve guide problems.
When they were running well they WERE very torquy engines, giving the
impression they were a lot bigger and "stronger" than they were.

>* Which were as new and innovative as the rest of the engine, just
>wrong. If you're going to make something that's new and innovative,
>identify the parts that _need_ to be new and innovative, and do the
>_rest_ of the thing with old reliable technology. Then when that works,
>go back and innovatize the rest of the thing, one system element at a time.
>
>** "Fill er up and check the gas while you're at it!"

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TOPIC: Has Winston posted recently?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 2:25 pm
From: Wes

Winston <Winston@bigbrother.net> wrote:

>I was tangled up in a thread in another newsgroup (embarrassed cough).
>
>It's OK now because I wore them down; they gave up a week ago.
>

>That means I was right, right? :)

That seems to be the standard.

Wes

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TOPIC: Testing 3PH motor ??
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 1:45 pm
From: "Chief Mcgee"

I have a 20HP, 3ph motor on my lathe. The label says it is a 220/440, but
there are only 3 wires coming out of it. I assume it was rewired straight
some time in the past. Motor appears to be 1940's model. Is there a way
to test the motor to tell if it is wired for strsight 220 or 440 ? The
controls have 440 stickers on them. So I assume the motor has been rewired
for 440. But is there a way to test for sure? thanks, McGee

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 2:09 pm
From: "Robert Swinney"

Are you sure the motor doesn't have a junction box where the 3 wires come out?

Bob Swinney
"Chief Mcgee" <McGeePBY@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:eYudnWyPkeN0_y_WnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@mchsi.com...
I have a 20HP, 3ph motor on my lathe. The label says it is a 220/440, but
there are only 3 wires coming out of it. I assume it was rewired straight
some time in the past. Motor appears to be 1940's model. Is there a way
to test the motor to tell if it is wired for strsight 220 or 440 ? The
controls have 440 stickers on them. So I assume the motor has been rewired
for 440. But is there a way to test for sure? thanks, McGee

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 2:41 pm
From: Ignoramus28422

On 2010-03-30, Chief Mcgee <McGeePBY@mchsi.com> wrote:
> I have a 20HP, 3ph motor on my lathe. The label says it is a 220/440, but
> there are only 3 wires coming out of it. I assume it was rewired straight
> some time in the past. Motor appears to be 1940's model. Is there a way
> to test the motor to tell if it is wired for strsight 220 or 440 ? The
> controls have 440 stickers on them. So I assume the motor has been rewired
> for 440. But is there a way to test for sure? thanks, McGee
>

out of where exactly do three wires come out?

I would look into the control box, see what is the control transformer
doing and what is the voltage of the contactor, that should be proof
enough of the motor voltage.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 3:04 pm
From: "Existential Angst"

"Chief Mcgee" <McGeePBY@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:eYudnWyPkeN0_y_WnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@mchsi.com...
>I have a 20HP, 3ph motor on my lathe. The label says it is a 220/440, but
>there are only 3 wires coming out of it. I assume it was rewired straight
>some time in the past. Motor appears to be 1940's model. Is there a
>way to test the motor to tell if it is wired for strsight 220 or 440 ?
>The controls have 440 stickers on them. So I assume the motor has been
>rewired for 440. But is there a way to test for sure? thanks, McGee
>

Well, if you can't find more wires, I would just put 220-240 on it, see how
it sounds.
If the contactor just buzzes on 240, then it proly is 440.
--
EA

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 4:17 pm
From: Wes

"Robert Swinney" <judybob@tx.rr.com> wrote:

>Are you sure the motor doesn't have a junction box where the 3 wires come out?

My Clausing 6903 had the wires to change from 480v to 240v buried inside the liquidtite
flex. I was worried for a while. I sure didn't want to buy a 3-5 KVA 3 phase transformer.

http://wess.freeshell.org/Clausing_6903_motor_leads.jpg

You can see how the wires tapered from the splices. Piss poor wiring practice. GM
Saginaw electrician did the deed according to the property tags.

Currently running happily on 240v from my rotophase.

Wes

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TOPIC: Am I a fool to buy this mill/drill?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 2:07 pm
From: Tom Ivar Helbekkmo

I wrote:

> I'll be buying a Taig Super X2 mini-mill from him next week.

It arrived today. It's beautiful! :) Now I'm wishing my mini-lathe
had such a gorgeous motor and controller. Oh, well... :)

It came with this rather good-looking vise:

http://www.sieg-scandinavia.com/shop/sieg-vice-80mm-359p.html

I'm wondering, seeing the size of the thing, whether I might want a
smaller, simpler vise to go with it? Something like a cute little Kurt
vise, or even a screwless vise from, say, Little Machine Shop:

http://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3763

-tih
--
Self documenting code isn't. User application constraints don't. --Ed Prochak

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TOPIC: OT:Obamacare question...serious...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 2:27 pm
From: Cliff

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:02:42 -0700 (PDT), "\"D\"" <reidmachine@msn.com> wrote:

>On Mar 29, 10:10�pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:09:41 -0600, F. George McDuffee
>>
>> <gmcduf...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>> >mom-and-pop operations
>>
>> � Which have an advantage over larger firms in that they usually
>> provide no bennies & hence pocket more bucks.
>>
>> � This is unfair.
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Why is it unfair?

It provides an a unfair advantage to small businesses which
are usually less well managed than larger ones.
This might be the road to the bottom of the heap.

It is also unfair to the employees of small businesses unless they are
compensated for it.

>Ever own a shop?
>Pay machine payments, rent, buy endmills, drills, taps, material?
>Replace material scrapped by dingus not paying attention, misreading
>print?
>Replaced tooling destroyed by same dingus who thought he/she was a
>brain surgeon?
>Not a whole lotta folks getting rich in small shops.
>
>I used to assume my employer had all the resources to pay me well AND
>provide me with bennies, until "I" started signing the check on the
>front!
>Go find something to cut and paste about what it is really like to own
>a biz.
>
>Tried to post but you got friggen 9 groups in the posting to line, you
>are the crossposting king!

I like to spread the chum at times <g>.

>
>"D"

Did you know that most job losses are in small businesses?
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: A Day in the Life of Joe the Republican
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 2:33 pm
From: Zombywoof

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:20 -0400, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

>
>Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning
>coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for
>minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his
>daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie
>liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
>All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan
>because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical
>insurance - now Joe gets it too.

>He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat
>because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing
>industry.

>In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly
>labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some
>crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and
>how much it contained.

>Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean
>because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop
>industries from polluting our air.

>He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his
>government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking
>and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable
>public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
>Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits,
>retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members
>fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards
>because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.
>If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation
>or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose
>his home because of his temporary misfortune.

>It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills.
>Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal
>wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking
>system before the Great Depression.

>Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal
>student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government
>would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.
>Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans,
>he attended a state funded university.

>Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm
>home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the
>safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety
>standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.
>He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the
>house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to
>make rural loans.

>The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his
>nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.
>He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social
>Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal
>made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.
>Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The
>radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He
>doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every
>protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need
>those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man
>who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
>

But then Joe reads an article about the History of the first U.S.
Social program that Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced. The
Social Security (FICA) Program where FDR promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary,
but i's no longer Voluntary.

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first
$1,400 of their annual Incomes into the program, but it it's now 12.4%
on earnings up to $106,800 with Medicare being another 2.9% on all
earnings.

3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program
would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year, but
it' no longer tax deductible.

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent 'Trust
Fund' rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore,
would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and
no other Government program, but Under Johnson the money was moved to
the General Fund and Spent like a drunken sailor on liberty spends.

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as
income, but under Clinton & Gore that changed so that up to 85% of
your Social Security can be Taxed.

Additionally because he is just an "Average Joe" his annual Federal
Income Tax Rate is about 25% with an average State Income Tax of about
6% and a Sales Tax Rate of about 6% as well (depending on where Joe
Exists)

So Joe realizes he's right about 50% in the hole prior to adding in
Real Estate Taxes, Personal Property Taxes, Federal Excise Taxes, Fuel
Taxes, Sin Taxes (Joe being average smoke & drinks), and all of his
local City & States Taxes in disguise and called "Fees" and says why
the Fuck do I bother getting up in the Morning if I could just walk
away from that Mortgage, get me a nice little Public Housing Unit or
maybe a Section 8, some food Stamps, a little Public Assistance
jingle, and maybe even some of that good`ole Government Cheese and
just sit back on the Sofa smoking a Doobie and watching the Cartoon
Network. Hell might even make a daily Booty-Call on one of those free
government Cell Phones as well.

Let's all hope that Joe keeps plugging away without reading any
articles!
--

"Gustatus Similis Pullus"

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TOPIC: Anniversary of an amazingly enduring design
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 4:09 pm
From: Wes

"RAM�" <s31924.nospam@netscape.net> wrote:

>> You know that once someone got a program running it would be used
>> forever. (witness the Y2K scare in commercial circles)
>
><chuckling>
>
>Some code that I wrote in the '60s is still in production. <grin>

Every bit of code I wrote left production in 2001 on the administrative end. Some of that
Clipper code was over 10 years old but was doing the job. It took a bankrupcy to kill
that.

Now the Karel stuff (GMF robotics) lasted a bit longer but is surely dead by now. The
robot cells were sold to other vendors and continued to run product for GM for a few years
until model changeovers make them obsolete.

I suspect some St Lawrence 500 ton and 600 ton forming presses are still running my Allen
Bradley SLC500 ladder code. Maybe the new owners wrote their own. I'm sure they didn't
put the 26+ control relays and 6 or so cycleflex counter times back in to replace my
upgrade. I *hated* changing how a relay logic forming press operated. That was never fun
at all.

Seldom something that is working gets ripped out and replaced. Even wart covered crap. (
I didn't write any of that stuff but those that know, know what I mean.)

Wes

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 3:12 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:53:45 -0500, the infamous "Pete C."
<aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> scrawled the following:

>
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:03:34 -0500, the infamous "Pete C."
>> <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> scrawled the following:
>>
>> >The Rangers are NATO.
>>
>> But are they UN approved? <dg&r>
>
>Probably. You can check on the Winchester site.

I thought the UN disapproved of anything which wasn't entirely
touchy-feely/warm-fuzzies/Kumbaya.

--
Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile I caught hell for.
-- Earl Warren

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 3:16 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Well. There you go, again.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4bb16093$0$4994$607ed4bc@cv.net...

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote
in message
news:horbvb$dd5$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> It was fine, when I wrote it. I sense you're the one who
> didn't understand.

Chris, you may be living a sheltered life, but in the NYC
metro area, the
term has been around for decades. It never had a
particularly homosexual
connotation that I recall.

As your own "dictionary" said by example, and as the
Wikipedia reference
that West referred to says, it's a term that applies to
heterosexuals and
homosexuals alike.

What's going on here is that the teabaggers, who are mostly
traditional
conservatives and reactionaries, tend to be homophobes as
well. It's part of
the package. So they took offense, and off it went.

But the offense is a reflection on their own homophobia and
misunderstanding. They created a pejorative for themselves,
and handed it to
the people who like to make fun of them.

They aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

--
Ed Huntress

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 4:30 pm
From: Wes

Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>>My 9mm typically has either the 124gr JHP Golden Sabers, or 124gr FMJ
>>Rangers. I also don't aim for CoM.
>
>
>If you DONT aim for center of mass, in a combat situation, you are
>going to have a very very nasty surprise in store for you.
>
>I hope you survive.
>
>Btw...the 9mm load you are shooting is on a par with the same load in 38
>Special.
>
>Just a heads up.
>
>
>Gunner

My mental programming is to go center of mass and work up. Back when I shot IDPA I
remember the game plan was com com, head head. for two assailants.

For single assailants, 2 com one in head, repeat if needed.

The gent that was running our program at the club was a training officer for the local
city police.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 3:15 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

The Stucco site is not a help forum, it's an
*advertising* forum that invades real forums
(like "alt.home.repair", part of "usenet")
parasitically in order to generate free
advertising for itself, which continually
advances its search engine placement, thereby
increasing its own revenue through its click-
through advertising commissions.

So the first thing you should do is write them
an email and tell them to quit spamming.

Then try to find your way here through proper
channels. Please do a google search on "Usenet"
and post the regular way.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

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Sharon Linnett
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Can any one tell me or show me where the transmission sensor
is on the
2006 Hyundai Elantra Automatic transmission

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TOPIC: Barbecue Grill burner replacements
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 3:19 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> > Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> >>
> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:
> >> >
> >> > There is a local Italian restaurant + pizza place that cooks
> >> > everything over wood fires. When the wind is blowing the wrong way, you
> >> > can smell it for miles. :(
> >>
> >> From my experience with walking by good restaurants, I think you
> >> mis-spelled :)
> >
> >
> > Who said it was good? Do you like the smell of burning oak and pizza
> > crust?
>
> If the crust is burning, no. If it's cooking, yes.

it smells like pieces of the crust are left in the oven, till they
completely burn away. :(

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 3:25 pm
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

FWIW, has anyone considered a fully ceramic grate?

One approach would be to bond pre-made ceramic rods with an ordinary
pottery clay, which could be fired as an assembly, then moved as a unit.

Another would be to cast/mould a grate-like assembly in a sheet, dry, fire,
glaze, and use it both as the heat diffuser and as a food grill in a gas-
fired grill (or charcoal).

'Tis hardly metalworking, but metals don't usually hold up well in that
environment.

LLoyd

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 3:39 pm
From: "chaniarts"

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> FWIW, has anyone considered a fully ceramic grate?
>
> One approach would be to bond pre-made ceramic rods with an ordinary
> pottery clay, which could be fired as an assembly, then moved as a
> unit.
>
> Another would be to cast/mould a grate-like assembly in a sheet, dry,
> fire, glaze, and use it both as the heat diffuser and as a food grill
> in a gas- fired grill (or charcoal).
>
> 'Tis hardly metalworking, but metals don't usually hold up well in
> that environment.
>
> LLoyd

ordinary ceramics don't like to go through quartz inversion temp very
quickly (either up or down). i'd bet they'd self-destruct pretty quickly.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 30 2010 3:25 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:47:24 -0700, the infamous Winston
<Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:

>On 3/29/2010 7:15 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:49:48 -0700, the infamous Winston
>> <Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>> I'm happy with my buzz-thingamabob. :)
>
>That would be my ultrasonic cleaner, dontcha know.
>
>> Ditto my Norelco buzz-thingamabob. I spend 30 seconds shaving each
>> morning. ;) I don't have much of a bushy face, though.
>
>I owned a couple of them Norelcos.
>
>Didn't have much luck getting a close enough shave.
>
>Course, I get a 5 O'clock shadow at 1:30 PM so perhaps I
>asked too much of them...

You forgot to spend 3 minutes shaving at lunch is all. I'm sure glad I
don't have YOUR beard. Salt and Pepper peach fuzz suits me better.

--
Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile I caught hell for.
-- Earl Warren

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