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TOPIC: Anniversary of an amazingly enduring design
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/57c9c3facffdfb67?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 8:59 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:55:09 -0700, Larry Jaques
<ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:45:42 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gunnerasch@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:24:43 -0700, Larry Jaques
>><ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Zero would be my preference. I just don't want to have any real
>>>>>possibility of going empty in any reasonably probable scenario.
>>>>
>>>>Average number of rounds fired in a self defense shooting
>>>>situation...2.5 <G>
>>>>
>>>>Average range, 7 yrds
>>>>
>>>>I think you are going to be pretty safe with a 8 rd weapon that can
>>>>actually stop someone with the first round. That unfortunately cant be
>>>>said of the 9mm
>>>
>>>And how long does it usually take to get that 2nd or 3rd round off?
>>
>>.2 seconds for the average shooter.
>
>Not with my Keltec P-11. It has a three inch/15lb pull trigger. ;)
>Gotta learn to bumpfire the SKS for bigger parties. <evil grinne>
>
>
>>I can fire 6 rounds in .85 seconds on 3 seperate targets spaced 5'
>>apart (currently), but as is known..Ive been away from competition
>>shooting for a few years and the stroke didnt help much.
>>
>>Shrug. Think thats fast enough? Lots and lots of guys are much much
>>much faster. During my competition days...that time was below .5
>>seconds
>
>Yabbut, how many of those guys are going to come gunning for you in
>your home, etc? I think the average bad guy shoots a bit mroe slowly,
>but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

The average bad guy only kills 20% of the people he actually shoots.

The average good guy does much better.
>
>Did you have a better stat page for me? You didn't address that.
\
Which stats are you looking for?

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:03 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:03:34 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net>
wrote:

>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:27:00 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Gunner Asch wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:59:33 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Gunner Asch wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:17:37 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Gunner Asch wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:25:44 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Ignoramus11443 wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
>> >> >> >> >> it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> i
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I prefer 9mm personally, mostly for the high capacity. I have shot
>> >> >> >> >friend's .45s many times during the same shooting sessions as my 9mms
>> >> >> >> >and really didn't notice much difference in recoil. Given my tendency
>> >> >> >> >for carpal tunnel issues I would think I'd notice. I do notice a
>> >> >> >> >difference in recoil between my two S&W 9mms, one being metal frame and
>> >> >> >> >one being plastic frame with about 12oz weight difference and otherwise
>> >> >> >> >with the same barrel length and shooting the same ammunition. The
>> >> >> >> >lighter plastic frame 9mm has more pronounced recoil as you would expect
>> >> >> >> >with the lower weight / mass.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> High capacity? How many people do you figure are going to be attacking
>> >> >> >> you at one time? If its more than 3..doncha think a rifle would be a
>> >> >> >> better tool?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Zero would be my preference. I just don't want to have any real
>> >> >> >possibility of going empty in any reasonably probable scenario.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Average number of rounds fired in a self defense shooting
>> >> >> situation...2.5 <G>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Average range, 7 yrds
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think you are going to be pretty safe with a 8 rd weapon that can
>> >> >> actually stop someone with the first round. That unfortunately cant be
>> >> >> said of the 9mm
>> >> >
>> >> >I think the idea that a .45 is an elephant gun that will stop a subject
>> >> >with one shot and a 9mm is a pea shooter that couldn't stop a subject
>> >> >with a whole box of ammo is a bunch of nonsense just like Ford vs. Chevy
>> >> >vs. Dodge.
>> >>
>> >> the 45 is hardly an elephant gun and the 9mm is hardly a pea shooter.
>> >>
>> >> However...that the .45 is far superior to the 9mm is hardly an issue.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.chuckhawks.com/stopping_power_dialogue.htm
>> >> http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2004/oct2004/oct04leb.htm#page_15
>> >> http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf
>> >>
>> >> You may wish to study this chart....
>> >>
>> >> http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm
>> >>
>> >> and review these articles....
>> >>
>> >> http://www.mouseguns.com/amball.htm
>> >>
>> >> Carry what you want. If you carry a round that has minimal "stopping
>> >> power", with luck, he might let you shoot him until he actually does go
>> >> down.
>> >> If not..he might simply kill you.
>> >>
>> >> Something to consider when carrying a firearm in the Real World
>> >>
>> >> Gunner
>> >> 45acp with 230gr Golden Sabres
>> >> 357 Mag with 125gr JHP
>> >> .41 Mag with 210gr Golden Sabres
>> >
>> >My 9mm typically has either the 124gr JHP Golden Sabers, or 124gr FMJ
>> >Rangers. I also don't aim for CoM.
>>
>> If you DONT aim for center of mass, in a combat situation, you are
>> going to have a very very nasty surprise in store for you.
>>
>> I hope you survive.
>
>I presume that the perp may have body armor. 9mm or .45 aint' going to
>make any difference if a CoM shot hits BA. I aim a little higher to
>ensure the desired effect BA or no.

Then you run with a much different crowd than the average person does.
In that case, a decent battle rifle would be appropriate.

Few street shootings involve bad guys wearing armor.

Skull shots are good, if you can reliably do them while they are
shooting at you and your heart is going 250mph.

Been thered, done that. Shrug.
>
>>
>> Btw...the 9mm load you are shooting is on a par with the same load in 38
>> Special.
>>
>> Just a heads up.
>
>The Rangers are NATO.

Which Rangers?

Gunner, 75th, 71-73

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: What's Significant And New In SolidCAM 2010?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/54e8451b9bcdec03?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:03 pm
From: Cliff

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <larryrozer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>As per usual you can only get this information on the Jon Banquer
>blog!
>
>Cut and paste the link below into your browser and start getting the
>information you can't get in this worthless wasteland.
>
>www.jonbanquer.wordpress.com

http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/why-i-dont-cover-discount-cadcam/
Still nothing.
Promises, promises ... and the usual vaporware BS from yonnie bonkers.

LOL
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Getting rid of my rotary table and dividing head
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/25df1dd6b6e2380c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:09 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:08:19 -0500, Ignoramus9410
<ignoramus9410@NOSPAM.9410.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-03-29, Karl Townsend <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> > How is the indexer more useful than a rotary table or dividing head on
>>>> > a
>>>> > manual machine? A few cranks on the RT or DH does exactly the same
>>>> > thing
>>>> > as a few button presses on the indexer.
>>>>
>>>> If the number of points that I need has no common denominator with the
>>>> number of holes in a circle on dividing head, multiplied by 40, I am
>>>> pretty screwed. Not so with the indexer.
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> They have multiple circles of holes and multiple plates for a reason. I
>>> can't see any reasonable application the DH wouldn't work for, and the
>>> RT is easily set to any degree just like the indexer.
>>
>> Iggy, you don't use the hole plate on a DH when in CNC mode. You can move
>> any amount you want, even while the other axis are moving. You can even set
>> your DH at the helix angle and hob gears with a blank in the DH and a hob in
>> the spindle., both moving in coordinated motion. The RT is handy for a huge
>> part bolted to a face plate. Again, you can do any full 4rth axis work you
>> can dream up.
>>
>> Now, this route is not for a high production shop. But you can make some
>> wonderfully complex parts with just these tools.
>
>Karl, as it happens, I already sold both the dividing head as well as
>the rotary table, though technically they are still at my place. In
>any case, I have a chuck for this indexer, so I can hold decent sized
>parts. I hope that ine day I could make a stepper control for it, and
>will not deal with backlash, as on a rotary table.
>
>If I ever need a rotary table, every third bankrupt mold shop has a
>Troyke DMT-15, and with a bit of patience I can get one inexpensively
>again.
>
>i
Mine cost me $5

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:42 pm
From: Ignoramus9410

On 2010-03-30, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:08:19 -0500, Ignoramus9410
><ignoramus9410@NOSPAM.9410.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-03-29, Karl Townsend <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> > How is the indexer more useful than a rotary table or dividing head on
>>>>> > a
>>>>> > manual machine? A few cranks on the RT or DH does exactly the same
>>>>> > thing
>>>>> > as a few button presses on the indexer.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the number of points that I need has no common denominator with the
>>>>> number of holes in a circle on dividing head, multiplied by 40, I am
>>>>> pretty screwed. Not so with the indexer.
>>>>>
>>>>> i
>>>>
>>>> They have multiple circles of holes and multiple plates for a reason. I
>>>> can't see any reasonable application the DH wouldn't work for, and the
>>>> RT is easily set to any degree just like the indexer.
>>>
>>> Iggy, you don't use the hole plate on a DH when in CNC mode. You can move
>>> any amount you want, even while the other axis are moving. You can even set
>>> your DH at the helix angle and hob gears with a blank in the DH and a hob in
>>> the spindle., both moving in coordinated motion. The RT is handy for a huge
>>> part bolted to a face plate. Again, you can do any full 4rth axis work you
>>> can dream up.
>>>
>>> Now, this route is not for a high production shop. But you can make some
>>> wonderfully complex parts with just these tools.
>>
>>Karl, as it happens, I already sold both the dividing head as well as
>>the rotary table, though technically they are still at my place. In
>>any case, I have a chuck for this indexer, so I can hold decent sized
>>parts. I hope that ine day I could make a stepper control for it, and
>>will not deal with backlash, as on a rotary table.
>>
>>If I ever need a rotary table, every third bankrupt mold shop has a
>>Troyke DMT-15, and with a bit of patience I can get one inexpensively
>>again.
>>
>>i
> Mine cost me $5

That's good.

This one cost me $105, IIRC.

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TOPIC: An open letter to conservatives
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9be56917d888f492?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:13 pm
From: Cliff

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:16:44 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I'd believe a conservative over a liberal, any day.

You buy lies wholsale anyway.
--
Cliff

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:14 pm
From: Cliff

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:53:10 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>But my observations are quite
>accurate,

Did Faux & Rush admit at last that it gets brighter at dawn?
--
Cliff

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:16 pm
From: Cliff

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:22:46 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>And we have a Newwwww Winnah!!!
>
>Gunner, raising his gloves over his head as the Leftwinger trickles away
>through the cracks in the floor

Idiot gummer has the largest killfile IIRC.
--
Cliff

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:58 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:42:34 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:23:33 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>> <precisionmachinist@notmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:49f2r5lqvas3q56is5fu2or6bvdk7mfi8o@4ax.com...
>> >> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:07:14 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>> >> <precisionmachinist@notmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Just goes to show what an ignorant butthead you are turning out to be.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Yup your calling someone an ignorant butthead definately PROVES that
>> >> >Liberals are bad people and also are moderately mentally...
>> >>
>> >> Proves? No. They do that themselves. But my observations are quite
>> >> accurate,
>> >>
>> >
>> >http://www.wavsource.com/movies/pee-wees_big_adventure.htm
>> >
>> >> As yourself proves, with each post you make.
>> >>
>> >> Shrug
>> >>
>> >
>> ><plonk>
>>
>> And we have a Newwwww Winnah!!!
>>
>> Gunner, raising his gloves over his head as the Leftwinger trickles away
>> through the cracks in the floor
>
>
> Don't skimp! Use the whole bag of kitty litter to clean up that
>mess, before it attracts bugs or mice.

Noted! Thanks!

Gunner

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TOPIC: Bubble of Ignorance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/2990ea519b199327?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:20 pm
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:6ps2r5teal6uk3seol6hbd68m3aeodr9q2@4ax.com...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUnlbtn6EdI&feature=youtube_gdata
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdmjbxMs7hg

Those two in the video look like a couple of atheist fags. Trimming the
tree.

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TOPIC: The Rage
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/dea9a489a8c4c9ce?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:21 pm
From: Cliff

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:30:18 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law>
wrote:

>
>
>"Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:9suuq5tve4k9qvrog6b87hgpdjpo01mt3j@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:57:58 -0700 (PDT), Igor <thoovler@excite.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mar 28, 10:53 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>>>wrote:
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/opinion/28rich.html
>>>> "The Rage Is Not About Health Care"
>>>> [
>>>> ...
>>>> ... births to Asian, black and Hispanic women accounted for 48 percent
>>>> of all
>>>> births in America in the 12 months ending in July 2008. By 2012, the
>>>> next
>>>> presidential election year, non-Hispanic white births will be in the
>>>> minority.
>>>> The Tea Party movement is virtually all white. The Republicans haven't
>>>> had a
>>>> single African-American in the Senate or the House since 2003 and have
>>>> had only
>>>> three in total since 1935.
>>>> ...
>>>> ... G.O.P. by remaining silent as mass hysteria, some of it encompassing
>>>> armed
>>>> militias, runs amok in their own precincts. We know the end of that
>>>> story. And
>>>> they can't pretend that we're talking about "isolated incidents" or a
>>>> "fringe"
>>>> utterly divorced from the G.O.P. A Quinnipiac poll last week found that
>>>> 74
>>>> percent of Tea Party members identify themselves as Republicans or
>>>> Republican-leaning independents,
>>>> ....
>>>> Yet no Republican or conservative leader of stature has taken on Palin,
>>>> Perry,
>>>> Boehner or any of the others who have been stoking these fires for a
>>>> good 17
>>>> months now. Last week McCain even endorsed Palin's "reload" rhetoric.
>>>>
>>>> Are these politicians so frightened of offending anyone in the Tea
>>>> Party-Glenn
>>>> Beck base that they would rather fall silent than call out its extremist
>>>> elements and their enablers?
>>>> ....
>>>> ]
>>>
>>>Sounds like the GOP is holding together by only a few slender threads,
>>>ready to be ripped asunder at any moment with the least amount of
>>>effort.
>>
>> 2,000 less white votes in a couple of Florida counties and the
>> Gore\Bush race wouldn't have been close.
>
>If "ifs" and "buts" were "Cliffs nuts" and "butts", you'd be a happy
>libtard.

IOW Not one word in refutation of the facts.
Just the usual winger gibbering, frothing & foaming.

BTW, Obama won in a landslide over "More of the same"
& "Dumber than a rock".
--
Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:53 pm
From: Lookout

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:30:18 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
<Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:

Nah..I could never be a 'libtard', happy or otherwise.

You are useless. Welcome to my filter.

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TOPIC: Making an arbitrary angle in pipe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/46687f75a9b92e97?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:27 pm
From: Gerald Miller

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:22:56 -0500, Don Foreman
<dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:23:21 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <nospam@nospam.no>
>wrote:
>
>>"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
>>news:02c0r59n0rh6dljpfjg9ktc8lbkt5qgtri@4ax.com...
>>> My neighbor is re-doing his electrical service feed because he wants
>>> to increase capacity to 200 amps. As part of that, he wants to
>>> re-route the outdoor conduit from meter to relocated mast. We found
>>> that his roof pitch is 5 in 12 or 22.62 degrees. He wondered if I
>>> could bend 2" pipe. The short answer is "not well".
>>>
>>> I got to thinking about elbows. It's fairly obvious that any arbitrary
>>> angle can be achieved in a given plane with four 90-deg elbows. We
>>> wondered what could be done with 45 deg elbows. I played with Alibre
>>> for a while. Turns out four 45's can't get it done ... but three 45's
>>> can! They go a bit out of plane but not a lot and the two runs can be
>>> coplanar as in up against the house. I was even able to get the
>>> various rotation angles, as if such a thing might need to be
>>> fabricated and welded a priori. I just did that to see if I could, and
>>> how hard it might be to do with Alibre.
>>>
>>> Three 30's, like the familiar 3-section flue elbows, might work even
>>> better but I don't know that 30 deg elbows are available in 2". I
>>> don't know that 45's are either, but it seems likely.
>>
>>Just get somebody with a hydraulic tubing bender to do it for you. A buddy
>>of mine has the local dune buggy shop do his.
>
>There's a shop half a mile from here that does that. I priced one
>bend about 15 years ago. Yikes!
Forget about metal conduit - use PVC and heat bend it as required.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 10:06 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Carla Fong" <carla.xspamx.fong@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:-NWdnUYMZ4Rd7SzWnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
> Steve B wrote:
>
>> "Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
>> news:pt92r5552993b6sheml4j0roboijolumkd@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:05:06 -0700, "Steve B"
>>> <deserttraveler@dishymail.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:02c0r59n0rh6dljpfjg9ktc8lbkt5qgtri@4ax.com...
>>>>> My neighbor is re-doing his electrical service feed because he wants
>>>>> to increase capacity to 200 amps. As part of that, he wants to
>>>>> re-route the outdoor conduit from meter to relocated mast. We found
>>>>> that his roof pitch is 5 in 12 or 22.62 degrees. He wondered if I
>>>>> could bend 2" pipe. The short answer is "not well".
>>>>>
>>>>> I got to thinking about elbows. It's fairly obvious that any arbitrary
>>>>> angle can be achieved in a given plane with four 90-deg elbows. We
>>>>> wondered what could be done with 45 deg elbows. I played with Alibre
>>>>> for a while. Turns out four 45's can't get it done ... but three 45's
>>>>> can! They go a bit out of plane but not a lot and the two runs can be
>>>>> coplanar as in up against the house. I was even able to get the
>>>>> various rotation angles, as if such a thing might need to be
>>>>> fabricated and welded a priori. I just did that to see if I could, and
>>>>> how hard it might be to do with Alibre.
>>>>>
>>>>> Three 30's, like the familiar 3-section flue elbows, might work even
>>>>> better but I don't know that 30 deg elbows are available in 2". I
>>>>> don't know that 45's are either, but it seems likely.
>>>> Check with a muffler shop. They have machines that can bend it to the
>>>> nth
>>>> degree, and it comes out nice and finished so the wire can pass through
>>>> it.
>>>> Inexpensive, too.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>> I did think of that. The 2" conduit used for outside feeds is
>>> considerably heavier than exhaust pipe, don't know if they could bend
>>> that or not.
>>
>> Two things: Don't cost to ask, and it don't have to be perfect.
>>
>> Steve
>
> 3 words: Hydraulic Pipe Bender
>
> Horrible Fright has them to bend up to 3" pipe or rigid conduit for about
> $200.
>
> This one is slightly more, but the 'air over hydraulic' is a big help:
>
> <http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97468>
>
> The usual caveats about HF quality apply...
>
> Carla
>
> I love wearing low cut shirts cuz then when class gets boring, I can look
> down and admire my breasts. textsfromlastnight.com

I have been considering a combination of tubing bender and notcher to make
some frames for canvas work, and some covered with corrugated profile
roofing. Really not rocket surgery, and if you get the triangulation and
cross bracing right, pretty sturdy.

Steve

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TOPIC: Don't Want To Be CADCAM History Just Yet?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fe8dd334dae30f96?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:35 pm
From: Cliff

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:35:07 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <larryrozer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>What's Significant And New In SolidCAM 2010?
>
>As per usual you can only get this information on the Jon Banquer
>blog!
>
>Cut and paste the link below into your browser and start getting the
>information you can't get in this worthless wasteland.
>
>www.jonbanquer.wordpress.com
>

LOL .... How long have they been that backward?
Plus you have no clues at all, as usual.

The OLD UG NC-Batch program with minor changes
20 years ago could run similar with priority ("nice"),
at a specified time or even on another workstation's
CPU (if allowed).
This just needs at least a dual core CPU, youbetcha.
Plus no nice or priority or time settings nor any bells
or logs or restart options .... What a hog!!
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Barbecue Grill burner replacements
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fb9fa64bdb94b52c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:44 pm
From: Joe Pfeiffer

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> There is a local Italian restaurant + pizza place that cooks
> everything over wood fires. When the wind is blowing the wrong way, you
> can smell it for miles. :(

From my experience with walking by good restaurants, I think you
mis-spelled :)
--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)

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TOPIC: So.....Obama isn't pushing for unionization of government contracts?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:47 pm
From: Cliff

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:10:58 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote:

> Republicans
>had blocked his nomination on grounds he would bring a radical pro-union
>agenda to the job, and they called on Obama not to appoint Becker over the
>recess.
>
>Obama went ahead anyway

So wingers will certainly lie & snivel.

Why should everyone be anti-union?

Why now should rethugs get a say in ANYTHING?
Let them throw snits & temper tantrums. We now well
know their lying ilk.

We all know by now how the last 15 years of ther total control
worked out. The rich got richer ....

BTW, Find those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 9:56 pm
From: Cliff

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:10:58 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote:

>"Once again the administration showed that it had little respect for the
>time honored constitutional roles and procedures of Congress," said
>Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona

George W. Bush made 171 (+ ?) recess appointments; that was fine & dandy with
the rethugs. He even sent that idiot of a winger Bolton to the UN.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/27/obamas-recess-appointment_n_515978.html
[
....
Well, here's how McCain reacted in 2005 when President Bush was considering a
recess appointment for John Bolton, the controversial nominee to be United
Nations ambassador: "I would support it. It's the president's prerogative."

Indeed, just a few years earlier, McCain had succeeded in a one-man crusade to
persuade President Bush to install a favored nominee using a recess appointment.
Here's how UPI described it in 2002:

[
Arizona GOP Sen. John McCain prevailed in his fight with the White House to have
Ellen Weintraub, a former Capitol Hill attorney, named to a Democratic seat on
the Federal Election Commission as a recess appointment. McCain must now be
overjoyed that her colleagues have elected her chairman of the commission for
the coming year. In her new role, Weintraub, the wife of Wisconsin Democratic
Sen. Russ Feingold's legislative director, will have a lot to say about how the
regulations governing the McCain-Feingold campaign legislation will be written
an implemented.
Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell also joined in the protests of Obama's recess
appointments on Saturday, calling them "stunning" and "yet another episode of
choosing a partisan path despite bipartisan opposition."
]

But back in 2005, under President Bush, McConnell spoke what is probably far
closer to the truth. When asked by a Fox News host if a recess appointment of
Bolton would make the atmosphere in the Senate more poisonous, McConnell replied
"no" and pointed out, "typically senators who are not of the party of the
president don't like recess appointments."
]

HTH
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: OT:Obamacare question...serious...
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 10:02 pm
From: Cliff

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:26:03 -0500, "vinny" <vinny@vp3d.net> wrote:

> So when are the deadbeats gonna have to fork over 200$ a week for their
>families like I do?

Ask gummer.
You & I have been paying for him. Pretty steep bills too.
--
Cliff

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 10:05 pm
From: Cliff

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:26:03 -0500, "vinny" <vinny@vp3d.net> wrote:

> So when does the 32 million uninsured folks get their first bill?

bushco gave universal healthcare to everybody in Iraq.
If it's good enough for them ....

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=universal+healthcare+iraq
--
Cliff

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 10:07 pm
From: Cliff

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:26:03 -0500, "vinny" <vinny@vp3d.net> wrote:

> So when does the 32 million uninsured folks get their first bill? I'm
>assuming they will have to pay considering I keep hearing about everyone
>being insured will lower the amount the insurance companies charge? Everyone
>means everyone right?
>
> So when are the deadbeats gonna have to fork over 200$ a week for their
>families like I do?
>
> I'm also under the assumption some of the money is coming from medicare? I
>swear for the last 10 years all Iv'e heard is medicare is going bankrupt?
>And money is coming from that fund?
> I believe mcain swore he wouldn't touch it? Now we are taggin off it?
>
> Obviously I literally don't get it?
>
>Things I do know....
> Can't be excluded for preexisting conditions.
>
> Ok, like car insurance. But if youv'e had a few accidents...your car
>insurance in florida is like 2 grand a year with a 10,000$ deductable.
> If youv'e had a heart attack and change insurance, will your bill reflect
>your preexsisting condition, because what good is insurance with a 50 grand
>deductable if you don't have the fifty grand on hand to dish out?
> I Havn't been to the hospital for over 30 years, paid cash for both my
>kids, yet my deductable is 6000$ for my family a year at 200 a week? Imagine
>if pre existing stuff is factored in?
>
>*********
> Do companies HAVE to pay? if yes...why? When the frig did they get
>responsable for your bills? I thought it was a gimmic to get the best
>workers, now its the law? Doesn't sound fair to me.
>
>*********
>
>Savings....has that happened at all? I bet it's still 24$ a tylenol pill.
> They pretend all the waste is in paperwork, so they want my info on a
>database. Pffft. The damn money is in the 20$ cup of ice you get delivered
>if you can't eat, not the data or lack of.
>
> Shit, one nurse per 30 people, one surgeon per 50 people, where exactly is
>this cost nonsence I keep hearing about? Is it that nasty food they sell,
>hell it costs more than a fancy restaurant for crap marines would spit out?
>
>WTF got fixed?
>
>Someone please clear this up for me. Is my insurance going to go up or down?
>Is my deductable going to go up or down? Is my insurance premiums going to
>get taxed? That would be 2-3 grand a year for me or more?
>
> I fucking swear, if my helath crap goes up thousands a year I will start
>running over people in wheel chairs!
>
>Someone tell me I got it all wrong, because the truth is I try to ignore the
>MAN as much as possible.
>
>Oh yah, is any of the bills deferred till after the next election? just
>curious.
>

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 10:10 pm
From: Cliff

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:09:41 -0600, F. George McDuffee
<gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:

>mom-and-pop operations

Which have an advantage over larger firms in that they usually
provide no bennies & hence pocket more bucks.

This is unfair.
--
Cliff

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 10:14 pm
From: Cliff

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:09:41 -0600, F. George McDuffee
<gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:

>(2) As most economic development texts make clear, special tax
>benefits/exemptions are among the worst ways for governmental
>intervention in an economy as this: (A) distorts the nominally
>"free market;" (B) hides most of the real costs; and (C)
>subsidizes certain groups/sectors at the expense of everyone
>else. Operationally, the working poor and others without
>employer provided health care, because of tax shifting, have been
>subsidizing health care for those with employer provided H/C,
>including the solid platinum diamond studded "executive" H/C
>plans for the most highly compensated; and

You should see what's reserved for Catholic Bishops in some
hospitals. Nearly an entire floor just in case he gets sick .... includes
offices, rooms & suites for staff, ....
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: How to buy a warehouse
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 10:05 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:50:08 -0500, Ignoramus9410
<ignoramus9410@NOSPAM.9410.invalid> wrote:

>> Go to a meeting and let the people know what you are interested in, they
>> can point you at people who can teach you how to do it right and people
>> who have real estate to sell.
>>
>> Stuart
>
>Stuart, this is very much on the mark. Thanks. Tomorrow me and my
>whole family are going on an Amtrak trip to California,

How long you going to be here and where are you going? Im sure a bunch
of us would love to meet you.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 10:10 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Jon Elson" <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote in message
news:DYadnfcyo5bGtSzWnZ2dnUVZ_j0AAAAA@giganews.com...
> Ignoramus8246 wrote:
>
>> If, say, I buy a warehouse
>
> Oh, one other point. Be SURE to factor in security, whatever mods you
> will need to make to make the building secure, etc. Also, depending on
> what you are going to do in it, check into insurance. Business insurance,
> even just casualty coverage on business property, is just insanely out of
> sight.
>
> Jon

I knew a guy who bought a piece of property he thought was a steal. Come to
find out, it was previously a gas station. It cost him a lot to remediate
the property, and with all the remediation, he broke even. After about five
years. Research the property in question. If you buy a EPA cleanup site,
the government won't want to hear any whiny stories on how you didn't know.

Steve

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