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TOPIC: The Sarah Palin Network
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:18 am
From: "Fred B. Brown"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9t9HH_uavs
> "Tina Fey Brings "The Sarah Palin Network" to "SNL""
>
>
> LOL .....
> --
> Cliff

And when Palin is elected President in 2012, Fey will be begging
for a ticket to the Inaugural Ball.
Sara Palin has more talent in her little finger than Fey does in her
whole body.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:38 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Apr 11, 9:18 am, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>
> news:pce3s59ou9b60h17mr5pfe3823somphf2p@4ax.com...
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9t9HH_uavs
> > "Tina Fey Brings "The Sarah Palin Network" to "SNL""
>
> > LOL .....
> > --
> > Cliff
>
> And when Palin is elected President in 2012, Fey will be begging
> for a ticket to the Inaugural Ball.
> Sara Palin has more talent in her little finger than Fey does in her
> whole body.

LOL...you mean that little finger who can see Russia from her porch?

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:15 am
From: "ArmyOfDorkness"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9df3c06d-19bc-42aa-aee4-712419cc4c63@i37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 11, 9:18 am, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>
>> news:pce3s59ou9b60h17mr5pfe3823somphf2p@4ax.com...
>>
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9t9HH_uavs
>> > "Tina Fey Brings "The Sarah Palin Network" to "SNL""
>>
>> > LOL .....
>> > --
>> > Cliff
>>
>> And when Palin is elected President in 2012, Fey will be begging
>> for a ticket to the Inaugural Ball.
>> Sara Palin has more talent in her little finger than Fey does in her
>> whole body.
>
> LOL...you mean that little finger who can see Russia from her porch?

She's a nuclear expert now so she must see Russian missile silos. Nope it
was just a tree

>
> Laugh..laugh..laugh...
>
> TMT

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TOPIC: OT How the Corporations Broke Ralph Nader and America, Too.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8c40d1fcc361d00a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:23 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"John" <jdslocomb@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:11:41 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John" <jdslocomb@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>news:iphvr5dohma0117qhefcvgndt5j9itt5ah@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:30:43 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>>> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John" <jdslocomb@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:k82ur5dm3ukaoqqug7smtd1l00jf6f5ue6@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 07:29:27 -0700, Larry Jaques
>>>>> <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:20:07 -0600, the infamous Lewis Hartswick
>>>>>><lhartswick@earthlink.net> scrawled the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I didn't read the whole tirade but Ralph Nadar
>>>>>>>is/was an IDIOT. He lost all credibility when
>>>>>>>he wrote " Unsafe at any Speed".
>>>>>>>What a load of BS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, he castrated GM while allowing the VW to go unpunished, despite
>>>>>>the fact that they had more problems than the Corvair, including the
>>>>>>extreme tendency for several to set themselves on fire almost as an
>>>>>>almost daily practice.
>>>>>
>>>>> No that is not correct. Nader wrote Unsafe at any Speed, which was
>>>>> pretty much a hatchet job to the extent that totally incorrect
>>>>> statements were made and even a sketch of how a swing axle works was
>>>>> deliberately drawn showing the outside wheel in a turn tipping inward
>>>>> at the bottom, "tuck under" as Nader preferred to it when in fact it
>>>>> does exactly the opposite, although if you do not understand how the
>>>>> suspension works it might appear to be correct.
>>>>
>>>>Ah, John, no. I hesitate to interfere with your trashing of Nader <g>,
>>>>but
>>>>he was correct. It was commonly called "jacking" among the sports car
>>>>fraternity. Anyone who drove an early VW, Corvair, Triumph Spitfire, or
>>>>box-stock Porsche 356 (including the original Speedster) will be glad to
>>>>relate some horror stories about it for you. d8-)
>>>>
>>>>Some older chassis books can explain and illustrate the same thing. If
>>>>you
>>>>were actively driving sports cars around, say, 1965, you were very
>>>>familiar
>>>>with it.
>>>
>>> Well, actually the "sports cars" I was tinkering with didn't have
>>> fenders and had wishbone suspension all around. But I did do some work
>>> on swing axle cars and unless you were able to weld the chassis to the
>>> axles body roll, and they all had it caused the inner end of the
>>> inside axle to move downward. Of course the inboard end of the outside
>>> axle moved up :-)
>>>
>>> The formula VW guys didn't have problems with "wheel tuck tripping the
>>> car" as Nadar claimed...
>>
>>They would have if they weren't strapped down with stabillizer bars or
>>Z-bars. The lower CG made it less likely than in a bug, but you still had
>>to
>>strap down the rear. I never saw a FV that didn't have a stabilizer bar in
>>the rear, although someone probably tried it at one time or another.
>
>
> No Ed, the whole "wheel tucking" is so much hogwash. Before you reply
> draw a little picture. Differential in the middle, attached to the
> chassis; axle going our either side firmly attached to the wheels. Now
> imagine going around a corner - the chassis/body rotate around an
> imaginary line called the "roll Center" that body rolls outward at the
> top and the diff goes right along rolling the top of the diff toward
> the outside of the corner which moves the axle attaching point down
> which in turn causes the wheel to lean inward at the top and outward
> at the bottom.

John, enough. Here's a photo of an early, swing-axle Triumph Spitfire
jacking:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads3/Spitfire+jacking+11090328641.jpg

Here's a Triumph Herald -- same suspension, higher CG. This is the extreme
case: the inside wheel actually lifts:

http://herald-tips-tricks.wdfiles.com/local--files/start:start0/resized_tilt_herald.jpg

Here's an illustration that shows it:

http://www.rqriley.com/images/fig-17.gif

Your analysis is missing the primary forces at work here, which are the
inward force applied at the bottom of the tire, and the outward force of the
car as it goes through the turn, applied from the pivot point through the
half-axle, to the center of the wheel hub. The couple's effect is to tuck
the tire under the car.

Forget body roll for a moment and just look at how that force couple is
resolved -- by the tire tucking under, and the car "tripping" over the
outside wheel.

That's what happens. Compression of the outer spring from body roll
counteracts it. When forces are low, the body roll usually dominates. As
cornering forces increase, the outside wheel snaps from negative to positive
camber, the pivot point reacts by moving in the only direction it's free to
move -- upward -- and the car jacks.

You can see it clearly in the photos above.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Question for electronics majors.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0fb06a99861a038b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:26 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Apr 10, 10:22 am, Andrew VK3BFA <VK3...@wia.org.au> wrote:
> Hey all - the cordless drill saga continues. At low RPM, they have
> very little torque. If I substituted a higher voltage feed supply, and
> kept the same (presumably) PWM original control, and taking note of
> controller ratings, would this give more torque considering more
> energy (from the higher voltage) is being transferred to the motor
> where it does more "work" - (not sure of the right techo word here)
>
> Andrew VK3BFA.

Sure, you can get more torque by increasing cost and complexity, but
perhaps not as much as with a bigger motor or multispeed transmission
for the same price.

In a similar application relays close faster with a higher voltage and
a series resistor. Initially the relay inductance limits the pull-in
current, which rises faster from the higher voltage. The resistor
limits the holding current to the lower value of the normal rated
voltage. The costs are a larger power supply, more electricity used
and a higher voltage driver. In this case more money generally
wouldn't buy a faster relay.

For the motor you risk burning it out and have no way to know when you
have approached that point, even an infrared camera watching the
armature won't show the buried wires.

jsw

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TOPIC: Aratzio has his pecker in his hairy palm again
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/58ade1b448c42e18?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:31 am
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:fsh3s5hcqjoe8hiob8o0bq7pvlobdnjn5i@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:38:48 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
> <Egal@legal_egal.law>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>news:4ub0s55d00ngnppu2daqv6oeicfbaamdik@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:45:01 +0000 (UTC), spooge <spooge@databasix.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote in news:4bbfe64a@news.x-
>>>>privat.org:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1nnvr5llkau82dom06lsep8m1v8357hbgh@4ax.com...
>>>>>> I'm just choking my chicken
>>>>>
>>>>> He's dead, Jim.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJQwHwP0ojI
>>> Chief Egalitarian (& other wingers): "Worse than dead ..."
>>
>>
>>Cliff confirms firsthand knowledge that Aratzio choked his chicken to
>>death.
>>CNN would be proud.
>
> Why would winger media care about your lack of brains & sense?
> --
> Cliff

What? nStill haven't found your brain yet? Did you try looking up your
asshole?

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TOPIC: "But..but...but...I can see Russia from my porch!"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/412398e7a9a9a499?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:36 am
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Klaus Shadenfreude" <klausshadenfreude@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> [Default] On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:01:18 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
> <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>
>>Hmmm...it would seem that Bush was great at spending other people's
>>money.
>
> Looks like Obama is just as good, maybe better.
>
> [chuckle]

Except he spends it on ripple and male crack whores.

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TOPIC: Exposing Glenn Beck SCREW YOU CLIFF THE TRAITOR
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:41 am
From: RONSERESURPLUS

Well said Fred, you have to Understand that to Cliff, Obama is
sucessful, he's a Compete Socliast bastard and agree's completly with
"Lord Obama" plans and actions!

RON

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TOPIC: The Obama Economy
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:54 am
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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> Leading indicators ....
>
> The DJIA hit 11,000. That's better than any day under bushco
> (see rethug economy disasters) and almost back in Clinton era
> numbers already (after only about a year).

Really, liar? Let's compare Obama's imaginary 11,000 to Bush's real 14,000.
Or maybe to the entire year before Obama announced he would seek his party's
nomination and tanked the economy.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:02 am
From: Iarnrod

On Apr 11, 8:54 am, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>
> news:t140s519biitckhrqqgo0506h5f1k22294@4ax.com...
>
> > Leading indicators ....
>
> > The DJIA hit 11,000. That's better than any day under bushco
> > (see rethug economy disasters) and almost back in Clinton era
> > numbers already (after only about a year).
>
> Really, liar? Let's compare Obama's imaginary 11,000 to Bush's real 14,000.

Bush's "real" 14,000?? Are you fucked in the head, you dope? Wow. We
learned how "real" it was. GOP almost put America into the Second
Great GOP Depression. If not for Dems, you'd be selling pencils on the
street right now.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:14 am
From: The PHANTOM

On Apr 11, 9:54 am, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>
> news:t140s519biitckhrqqgo0506h5f1k22294@4ax.com...
>
> > Leading indicators ....
>
> > The DJIA hit 11,000. That's better than any day under bushco
> > (see rethug economy disasters) and almost back in Clinton era
> > numbers already (after only about a year).
>
> Really, liar? Let's compare Obama's imaginary 11,000 to Bush's real 14,000.
> Or maybe to the entire year before Obama announced he would seek his party's
> nomination and tanked the economy.

Just wait till the damned fool shoves Cap&Tax down our throats and
makes 30 million+ illegal mexxkins citizens against the will of the
people.

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TOPIC: OT Responsible millionaires for higher taxes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ecf823165bb60d03?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:16 am
From: Ignoramus4694

On 2010-04-11, Buerste <buerste@buerste.com> wrote:
>
> Don't you think your kids deserve the fruits of your labor more than the
> cheese-checkers?

When you say "deserve", it implies some kind of a moral judgment.

So, I hate to say it, but I am not sure why my kids "deserve" this
more than, possibly, somebody else's kids who might be better in some
respects.

Would I like them to get fruits of my labor? Sure, I love them and
want the best for them. I am not even sure, yet, if they are the kinds
of people who would be helped, or hurt, by economic help from
parents. I hope that they would be helped. If so, I would like to help
them get started in life. All of that said, I would prefer if they
could be self sufficient people who can do well on their own.

> Why do you have ANY assets? There are people with nothing that
> DESERVE your stuff? Why should you work hard to provide for your
> family...somebody else will.

Keep in mind that I am still not subject to estate tax, so this is all
abstract. I hope that I will be, later.

I feel that I owe this country for my success because I could never be
as well off, even relatively, where I came from. So, I think, at the
very least, I should not object to sharing some of what I earn or
gain.

I do not think that perpetual dynasties of rich people would help this
society to become better.

Estate tax or not, at this time, will have no effect on how hard
I work.

> I once met a staunch Communist. I asked him how it works. "If you had four
> chickens and your neighbor had none, would you give him two chickens?" "Of
> course! That's how it works!", he said. "If you had two pigs and your
> neighbor had none, would you give him a pig?" "Of course! That's how it
> works!", he said. "If you had two cows and your neighbor had none, would
> you give him a cow?" "NO!" he said, "I HAVE two cows!"

Did you really meet that person or did you make it up?

> How many "cows" do you have? I'm sure you have neighbors that don't have an
> air compressor or a lathe, or a mill or as much money as you.

I cannot know, maybe my neighbors are wealthier than me. It is hard to
tell. The book "The millionnaire next door" was a big revelation to
me, as it showed that most millionaires live a middle class
lifestyle. Of course, these days, being a millionaire does not amount
to much, due to rise in living standards and inflation.

The bottom line is that I have no objection to some reasonable level
of estate taxes.

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TOPIC: Who will be the first?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f434d5963fd21822?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:26 am
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:33:50 -0700 (PDT), "dcaster@krl.org"
<dcaster@krl.org> wrote:

>On Apr 10, 8:22�pm, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>
>> >> Keep this prediction in mind though: if the GOP
>> >> nominates Palin in 2012,
>
>> Wayne
>
>The great hope of the Democratic Party. The chances of her being the
>GOP candidate in 2012 is about the same as Al Gore's chance of being
>the GOP candidate.

I used to agree. But the GOP is out of control in tilting farther
rightard all the time. It's already extremely difficult for them to
back off a lot of their outrageous rhetoric, and they seem powerless
to do anything other than let the problem fester. If it keeps up, and
there's every sign that it will, then by 2012 it could be impossible
to nominate anything close to a centrist. Besides that, there's a good
chance that nothing short of star appeal will save the day, and for
now at least, there's only place to go for that. If you think that
saner heads will prevail, then consider what happened to Frum. He's
out, and Palin's star is still rising. They could end up nominating
her for much the same reasons McCain did.

Wayne

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:39 am
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 04:23:37 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>the stupid fuck has been in my
>killfile for years and I dont read anything he posts on this newsgroup
>except through replies.

LOL In seconds I pulled up a direct reply to one of my posts, from
the CEO of Whopper Central.

gummer, sept/09: "several of us are going to decide to end his career
on Usenet"

Classic gummer, BSing about killfiling (hundreds of times with
hundreds of posters) and about what you're gonna' do. But don't worry
about what readers will think because Don's got your back. He has
repeatedly assured us that you're merely fantasizing. As if that was
news to anyone. What's it like to realize that your friends not only
know that you're full of crap, but can't resist saying so publicly in
order to prevent readers thinking that your defenders are equally
crazy? How's it feel to know that the *best* defense of your life's
work is that you're advertising sick dreams? Anyway, I hope you
continue to enjoy reading every last word of my posts. I'll do my best
to be here for you whenever gummerco makes its next exciting
announcement.

Wayne

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TOPIC: 13' Boston Whaler Restoration
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b1f4a854af9308a2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:51 am
From: Phred

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 23:38:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
scribed:

>On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:22:02 -0400, fredfowler@verizon.net wrote:
>
>>Hey All:
>>
>>A neighbor of mine on the pond I live has offered me a free use of a
>>13' Boston Whaler, if I can fix it up... I dinna know a lot about
>>those things, but free is free. It's got a couple of cracks in the
>>fiberglass, and gel coat, and water has seeped into the foam. Is there
>>a way to dry them out quickly? A quick wick? I can deal with patching
>>the fiberglass, but getting dry is the first step.
>>
>>Any thoughts?
>
>
>Sounds like an easy repair as long as cosmetics are not an issue.
>
>Couple ways to dry out the foam..one of which is heat. You may wish to
>put a 100 watt bulb in a big box and cut the box to fit the area around
>the cracks where the water came in. It will dry it out over a week or
>two. The other way is to drill through the wet section and go ahead
>and patch the cracks properly. Over time the water will vent out through
>the holes you drilled above the new glass. Having wet foam in small
>areas is not all that big a deal, though it may grow fungus over time.
>
>You may wish to read the following....
>
>The Official Boston Whaler way to repair hulls...
>
>http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/repairInstructions.html
>
>http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/whalerRepair.html
>
>A very good source for Whaler info
>
>http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/
>
>
>Gunner
>

Thank you for the ideas and references...

Cosmetics are not an issue, just want it for fishing. Max 8 HP gas on
the pond anyway, but i'll probably just put a trolling motor... I
won't be towing any skiers.

I heard that drilling a couple of holes in the top, and bottom and
blowing out with a shop-vac may egress the water quicker... Any
thoughts on that? I'd like to get it ready for the season (Almost now)

Best,

Freddie

>
>
>"First Law of Leftist Debate
>The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
>that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
>more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
>losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
>homophobe approaches infinity.
>
>This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
>race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
>the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:58 am
From: "Karl Townsend"

> I've had good luck drying out wet foam cores by sealing around the
> cracks and using a vacuum pump. If you try this either use some sort
> of catch bottle in the vacuum line or plan on changing the pump oil
> several times.
>
> Depends on the volume you are drying but start with 24 hours of vacuum
> and then check.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John D. Slocomb
> (jdslocombatgmail)

That sounds like a good idea. just use an old refrigerator compressor for
your pump. Cheap and disposable.

Karl

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TOPIC: Flashlights, old style, hundreds of them...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3480d09a73967956?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:53 am
From: "Existential Angst"

Awl --

I'm warehousing (in my hovel) about 250+ carded bulb-style D-cell
flashlights, all colors. They are carded without the D-cells (req. 2).

What to do with these??

They were originally intended as a part of some camping/survival pack, but I
don't think too many people want to hump Dcells around, now that LEDs are
common, and integrated into other utilities as well.

I figger I got 3 options:

1. throw'em out...
2. Sell'em to 99c stores -- and if they don't take them, that's a sure sign
they are worthless.
3. Scavenge the bulbs? :) THEN throw'em out...
or mebbe
4. Freebies/incentives with other stuff I might be selling? But, if they
are indeed useless....

I sort of dread humping around to 99c stores.... is it worth a shot?
--
EA

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 9:44 am
From: Frank

On 4/11/2010 11:53 AM, Existential Angst wrote:
> Awl --
>
> I'm warehousing (in my hovel) about 250+ carded bulb-style D-cell
> flashlights, all colors. They are carded without the D-cells (req. 2).
>
> What to do with these??
>
> They were originally intended as a part of some camping/survival pack, but I
> don't think too many people want to hump Dcells around, now that LEDs are
> common, and integrated into other utilities as well.
>
> I figger I got 3 options:
>
> 1. throw'em out...
> 2. Sell'em to 99c stores -- and if they don't take them, that's a sure sign
> they are worthless.
> 3. Scavenge the bulbs? :) THEN throw'em out...
> or mebbe
> 4. Freebies/incentives with other stuff I might be selling? But, if they
> are indeed useless....
>
> I sort of dread humping around to 99c stores.... is it worth a shot?

I guess you could call around to the dollar stores but I expect they
will only offer less than $100 for the lot. When batteries run out on
my old flashlights, I toss them in the Goodwill bags with clothes and
stuff that I give them.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 9:56 am
From: Garlicdude

Existential Angst wrote:
> Awl --
>
> I'm warehousing (in my hovel) about 250+ carded bulb-style D-cell
> flashlights, all colors. They are carded without the D-cells (req. 2).
>
> What to do with these??
>
> They were originally intended as a part of some camping/survival pack, but I
> don't think too many people want to hump Dcells around, now that LEDs are
> common, and integrated into other utilities as well.
>
> I figger I got 3 options:
>
> 1. throw'em out...
> 2. Sell'em to 99c stores -- and if they don't take them, that's a sure sign
> they are worthless.
> 3. Scavenge the bulbs? :) THEN throw'em out...
> or mebbe
> 4. Freebies/incentives with other stuff I might be selling? But, if they
> are indeed useless....
>
> I sort of dread humping around to 99c stores.... is it worth a shot?

EA, How about Craigslist? I wonder if a homeless shelter or a battered women's
shelter would take them?

Best,
Steve

Regards,
Steve Saling
aka The Garlic Dude ©
Gilroy, CA
The Garlic Capital of The World

http://tinyurl.com/2avg58

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 9:26 am
From: Joseph Gwinn

In article <ho92s5d4fsbd77cjsdua8v8lb5pttuqt78@4ax.com>, clare@snyder.on.ca
wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:06:25 -0400, Joseph Gwinn
> <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <1_GdnWDJRcGFWCLWnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> > "Bill McKee" <bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Tim Wescott" <tim@seemywebsite.now> wrote in message
> >> news:IumdnbsujcDQPCLWnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@web-ster.com...
> >> > Wes wrote:
> >> >> Ignoramus21954 <ignoramus21954@NOSPAM.21954.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Which kind of brings up a question, can one weld in weightlessness.
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe spot welding and friction welding. I'm betting agaist MIG.
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh, since I'm assuming we are in space in some sort of vessel, what is
> >> >> the atmosphere we
> >> >> working with?
> >> >
> >> > Maybe not MIG -- maybe just go outside, make sure everything is clean,
> >> > and
> >> > do _unshielded_ metal-arc welding in the vacuum. Seems like welding
> >> > inside would crap up the atmosphere pretty quick, although if you just
> >> > had
> >> > to I suppose you'd need to.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe before we go to Mars NASA needs to develop a JB Weld that'll work
> >> > in
> >> > a vacuum.
> >> >
> >> > SMAW may be needed, and work, in a vacuum. It would be handy to add the
> >> > neato alloying elements that come from the stick coating, but I bet
> >> > you'd
> >> > need special coatings to work.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Tim Wescott
> >> > Control system and signal processing consulting
> >> > www.wescottdesign.com
> >>
> >> Maybe even easier to weld in space. Outside that is. No shielding gas
> >> required. Maybe some flux depending on the material. Biggest problem
> >> would
> >> be weighlessness. the weld pool may not pool. Just float away from the
> >> welding pressures.
> >
> >I think that surface tension will keep the weld puddle in place.
> >
> >Joe Gwinn
> If welding steel just put a magnet on the part - not much magnetic
> flux required to keep the metal attached with no gravity to make it
> flow

As many have noted, the weld puddle metal will be well above the Curie point,
and so will not be magnetic. Loss of magnetism is a classic way to tell that a
piece of steel is hot enough to be quenched during hardening.

Joe Gwinn

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 9:29 am
From: Joseph Gwinn

In article <8-qdnezi64oC9VzWnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"Bill McKee" <bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> "Joseph Gwinn" <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:joegwinn-EA83EA.11491110042010@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <rI-dncLBAs7YWSLWnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> > "Bill McKee" <bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
> >> news:7TMvn.164585$Bs1.54646@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
> >> > Ignoramus21954 <ignoramus21954@NOSPAM.21954.invalid> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>kind of shocking and sad. I have a feeling that they will not build
> >> >>anything due to the typical reasons.
> >> >>
> >> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/business/global/08rail.html?src=me&ref=
> >> >>bus
> >> >>iness
> >> >
> >> > You mean like environmental regulations and eminent domain lawsuits?
> >> > High
> >> > speed rail, NIMBY!
> >> >
> >> > Wes
> >>
> >> .... Ride the
> >> TGV in France from Lyons to Paris. Most of the trip is maybe 75 mph.
> >
> > Umm, no. I have taken the TGV from Paris to Lyon, and back, a day trip
> > taken
> > just to try the TGV out. Most of the time, it's hard to watch the scenery
> > as it
> > is flying by - far too fast, visually disturbing. Looking out of a car at
> > 75
> > mph has no such effect. And, as others have pointed out, if you compute
> > the
> > average speed from the train schedule, the TGV must be going far faster.
> >
> > Where did the 75 mph estimate come from?
> >
> > Joe Gwinn
>
> See my other post.

Which one? Please be precise. I wasn't following the thread all that closely.

Thanks,

Joe Gwinn

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 9:42 am
From: Aratzio

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:15:39 -0400, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS>
got double secret probation for writing:

>On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:21:22 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:36:01 -0400, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> got
>> double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:26:27 -0700, Aratzio wrote:
>>>
>>>> Toyotatard gets his arguments from his 24/7 fox feed.
>>>
>>>Once again proving, you don't know shit.
>>>
>>>I don't watch Fox very often. I don't listen to Limbaugh very often. More
>>>often than not, I watch NBC news. We all know how much they dislike
>>>Obama, right?
>>>
>>>Unlike you, I am able to take in information and process it for myself..
>>>Retard.
>>>
>>>
>> So do explain how you were espousing the exact same lies that Gingrich did
>> on Fox.
>
>
>Which 'lie' was that, Genius?
>
Go back and *read*, it was explained to you in detail with links. The
fact you cannot face your own lies is not the fault of the people
pointing them out.
Message-ID: <sp41s552kso63shts1k1m0rsd8g9ggsheo@4ax.com>

You ran and hid from that one, coward. You could not face the fact
that those with whom you place so much of your belief had lied with
impunity.

Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Sean Hannity and Michelle Bachmann all
intentially lied about the NPR. You believed them without any
knowledge about the NPR. That is a "low information voter".

Pay very close attention, they don't care about you. They know they
can lie to you, all of them, because they know once they have your
fear level high enough you will believe anything they tell you. This
is exactly the same methodology used by the National Socialist Party
in 1932.

So who is actually the Nazi, people provably using Nazi political
tactics or people accused by the people using Nazi tactics?

So, now that you know what is the NPR, (you did go reqad the actual
transcript?) and the fact is is a legislatively mandated review of our
Nuclear Policy that must be made public, what does that do to your
arguments about releasing the NPR imformation, since that is
legislatively mandated too.

Do Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann and Newt Gingrich have more or less
information with regard to past & current US policy with regard to
Nuclear Posture and its effect upon US foreign releations than the
following people:

Commander-in-Cheif of US Armed forces. Responsible for authorizing the
use of Nuclear Weapons.

Former US Senator that worked on foreign relations committee for well
over 25 years and has personally negotiated with Gromyko on Arms
Control Treaties.

Secretary of State

Secretary of Energy (and nobel winning physicist)

Secretary of Defence (republican appointee)

Chariman of the Jint Chiefs of Staff.

Cmon, you claimed that Palin had some sort of chops, how does her
knowledge of foreign affairs and nuclear policy stack up against that
list?

Prepare to snip-n-run coward. Way too much verifiable fact for your
brain to actually process, especially since it goes against what fox
told you to think.

Hachiroku explaining his *daddy* issues:

Message-ID: <homalb$usi$2@news.eternal-september.org>

I just keep seeing a pudgy 50 year old with his nethers rattling against
his knees...

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TOPIC: Tile in garage?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 9:54 am
From: Joseph Gwinn

In article <gcj3s51cuh57is796rvfot6tsh9nhjsq3m@4ax.com>,
Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:37:03 -0400, the infamous Joseph Gwinn
> <joegwinn@comcast.net> scrawled the following:
>
> >I had my basement floor painted with gray latex deck paint, so oil wouldn't
> >soak in and I could wash it. Didn't quite work, and paint was not the problem.
> >The concrete itself wore away to dust wherever I habitually stood, like in front
> >of the machines. The concrete probably didn't have enough cement in it, and so
> >wasn't strong enough.
>
> One of the liquid/low viscosity epoxies might have helped, or even
> just a sealer.

I don't see how paint can solve such a problem - the concrete itself is
crumbling from foot traffic alone, and not a lot of that, but it would be
difficult to get enough penetration to make up a thick enough layer of epoxy
concrete.

Joe Gwinn

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 9:55 am
From: Don Foreman

On 11 Apr 2010 05:43:16 GMT, "RAM³" <s31924.nospam@netscape.net>
wrote:

>Don Foreman <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in
>news:b4k2s5t33qs53btjcgbipakep5gth7mhk0@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:27:57 -0400, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Today, I thought I'd make the rear barrel plate for my gatlingun.
>>>Simple round disk with an array of 10 threaded holes, a central hole
>>>for a hex bushing and a dowel pin hole at 12 o'clock.
>>>
>>>Easiest way to do this looks like I bolt the round plate to a chunk of
>>>flat stock and hold the flat stock in my mill vise. I look around and
>>>find a 3/8 NC cap screw. Okay, I'll use that with a washer to hold
>>>the plate down. Grab the tap stand, what is a 1/8 NPT tap doing in
>>>the 3/8 NF hole?
>>>
>>>Okay, I'll look for another bolt. Didn't find another bolt but I did
>>>find some 1/2 NC threaded rod. Sweet. Back to the tap stand, there
>>>is a 5/8 NC tap in the hole for the 1/2 NC tap. I have a feeling this
>>>isn't going to be my day.
>>>
>>>Rummage around some more, I find what I think is a 1/2-20 bolt, that
>>>would be good enough. Check the tap stand, hey, I got a 1/2 NF tap!
>>>Check bolt to tap to see if pitch is same. Match.
>>>
>>>Drill and tap hole. Bolt falls into hole. ???? Look at tap stand and
>>>see there is such a thing as a 7/16-20 fastener and by Jove I have a
>>>tap for it. I put tapped hole on other side of plate.
>>>
>>>Now we are cooking but I'm worrying that with a washer to bridge the
>>>9/16" hole in my plate, I might not have enough thread engagement
>>>since the bolt I have is rather short. One more trip to the junk box I
>>>found the 7/16-20 bolt in and I find a FHSC in 7/16-20. That works
>>>really well, the head centers my plate rather well over the center of
>>>the tapped hole.
>>>
>>>Indicate the barrel plate to find center, calculate x-y's of the 10
>>>threaded holes and plug away with spot drilling, drilling, chamfering
>>>and then tapping.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, on hole #10 I let the tap I was using go in too deep
>>>while power tapping with the Bridgeport and the quill hit the quill
>>>stop and started to lift once side of the flat stock I was using
>>>causing a crooked hole.
>>>
>>>Good thing I bought extra stock. I'm going to need it.
>>>
>>>Wes
>>
>> Bummer, that eau chitte moment after some investment in labor.
>>
>> I am attempting to do stress-free pillar bedding of a rifle. I've
>> never done it before so I'm going *very* slowly. I think I'm ready
>> for final goo (epoxy) but I won't do that until I've slept on it. I'd
>> really prefer not to have this be an oopsie. It's not an expensive
>> rifle but I'd still like to get it right.
>>
>> Traditional goo has been acraglass, but I'm using Devcon 10110. Fitch
>> and I call it d22 because 10110 in binary is 22 in decimal.
>> (b10110=d22) It's very dense steel-filled epoxy used and advocated by
>> a guy who beds a lot of competition benchrest rifles.
>>
>> I'm hoping to get below half-MOA (minute of arc) accuracy, i.e.
>> groups shot from 100 yards with max center-to-center distance of under
>> half an inch from this rifle. The rifle is a Savage "package rifle",
>> an inexpensive "consumer" off-the-rack rifle in .243. It's a sporter,
>> not a benchrest rifle, but it's been a shooter as found so I really
>> hope with some pucker that I improve it rather than screwing it up.
>>
>> http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/
>>
>> Yikes! I don't know if they're getting MSRP for these, but I paid
>> about half that for mine about 3 years ago, brand new, at the General
>> Store in Osakis MN.
>> http://tinyurl.com/yckr3g8
>>
>> The scope was a cheap Simmons, long since replaced. Not knocking the
>> Savage package rifle concept, it's an excellent value. The rifle as
>> found with the Simmons 3-9x scope had more than sufficient accuracy
>> for 90% of deerhunters shooting from a tree stand. Most deer in MN
>> are taken at ranges of well under 100 yards.
>>
>> More when (if) I can get it apart after the goo cures, get it
>> reassembled correctly, get the scope re-mounted and re-zeroed and see
>> how it shoots. It shot about 1 MOA before with 70 gn bullets, didn't
>> do as well with 100 gn because the rifling isn't quite steep enough to
>> be optimal for 100 gn. I don't care, 70 gn is ample for target and
>> varmints. I'd use a heavier caliber if I hunted deer.
>>
>> If this turns out well then my next project will be my .22-250.
>>
>>
>
>Be advised that many Savage rifles are most accurate when the barrel is
>free-floated.
>
>My (now "ancient" @ 30 years old) 110DL .30/06 was lucky to get 1.5 MOA
>from the box but, having floated the barrel, it'll provide me with 1-hole
>5-round 100-yd groups if I'm doing my part of the work.
>
>Earlier I'd had a 110MDL in .264 Win. Mag. that had given similar
>results. (It was stolen from my apartment. 8-{ )
>
>Be sure that the action, itself, is snug but be prepared to sand out the
>barrel channel. (A sheet of carbon paper makes both a good marker AND a
>good gauge.)

I was careful to do that. No part of the barrel now touches the stock.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 9:56 am
From: Don Foreman

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 04:37:04 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:17:11 -0500, Don Foreman
><dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:27:57 -0400, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Today, I thought I'd make the rear barrel plate for my gatlingun. Simple round disk with
>>>an array of 10 threaded holes, a central hole for a hex bushing and a dowel pin hole at 12
>>>o'clock.
>>>
>>>Easiest way to do this looks like I bolt the round plate to a chunk of flat stock and hold
>>>the flat stock in my mill vise. I look around and find a 3/8 NC cap screw. Okay, I'll
>>>use that with a washer to hold the plate down. Grab the tap stand, what is a 1/8 NPT tap
>>>doing in the 3/8 NF hole?
>>>
>>>Okay, I'll look for another bolt. Didn't find another bolt but I did find some 1/2 NC
>>>threaded rod. Sweet. Back to the tap stand, there is a 5/8 NC tap in the hole for the
>>>1/2 NC tap. I have a feeling this isn't going to be my day.
>>>
>>>Rummage around some more, I find what I think is a 1/2-20 bolt, that would be good enough.
>>>Check the tap stand, hey, I got a 1/2 NF tap! Check bolt to tap to see if pitch is same.
>>>Match.
>>>
>>>Drill and tap hole. Bolt falls into hole. ???? Look at tap stand and see there is such a
>>>thing as a 7/16-20 fastener and by Jove I have a tap for it. I put tapped hole on other
>>>side of plate.
>>>
>>>Now we are cooking but I'm worrying that with a washer to bridge the 9/16" hole in my
>>>plate, I might not have enough thread engagement since the bolt I have is rather short.
>>>One more trip to the junk box I found the 7/16-20 bolt in and I find a FHSC in 7/16-20.
>>>That works really well, the head centers my plate rather well over the center of the
>>>tapped hole.
>>>
>>>Indicate the barrel plate to find center, calculate x-y's of the 10 threaded holes and
>>>plug away with spot drilling, drilling, chamfering and then tapping.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, on hole #10 I let the tap I was using go in too deep while power tapping
>>>with the Bridgeport and the quill hit the quill stop and started to lift once side of the
>>>flat stock I was using causing a crooked hole.
>>>
>>>Good thing I bought extra stock. I'm going to need it.
>>>
>>>Wes
>>
>>Bummer, that eau chitte moment after some investment in labor.
>>
>>I am attempting to do stress-free pillar bedding of a rifle. I've
>>never done it before so I'm going *very* slowly. I think I'm ready
>>for final goo (epoxy) but I won't do that until I've slept on it. I'd
>>really prefer not to have this be an oopsie. It's not an expensive
>>rifle but I'd still like to get it right.
>>
>>Traditional goo has been acraglass, but I'm using Devcon 10110. Fitch
>>and I call it d22 because 10110 in binary is 22 in decimal.
>>(b10110=d22) It's very dense steel-filled epoxy used and advocated by
>>a guy who beds a lot of competition benchrest rifles.
>>
>>I'm hoping to get below half-MOA (minute of arc) accuracy, i.e.
>>groups shot from 100 yards with max center-to-center distance of under
>>half an inch from this rifle. The rifle is a Savage "package rifle",
>>an inexpensive "consumer" off-the-rack rifle in .243. It's a sporter,
>>not a benchrest rifle, but it's been a shooter as found so I really
>>hope with some pucker that I improve it rather than screwing it up.
>>
>>http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/
>>
>>Yikes! I don't know if they're getting MSRP for these, but I paid
>>about half that for mine about 3 years ago, brand new, at the General
>>Store in Osakis MN.
>>http://tinyurl.com/yckr3g8
>>
>>The scope was a cheap Simmons, long since replaced. Not knocking the
>>Savage package rifle concept, it's an excellent value. The rifle as
>>found with the Simmons 3-9x scope had more than sufficient accuracy
>>for 90% of deerhunters shooting from a tree stand. Most deer in MN
>>are taken at ranges of well under 100 yards.
>>
>>More when (if) I can get it apart after the goo cures, get it
>>reassembled correctly, get the scope re-mounted and re-zeroed and see
>>how it shoots. It shot about 1 MOA before with 70 gn bullets, didn't
>>do as well with 100 gn because the rifling isn't quite steep enough to
>>be optimal for 100 gn. I don't care, 70 gn is ample for target and
>>varmints. I'd use a heavier caliber if I hunted deer.
>>
>>If this turns out well then my next project will be my .22-250.
>>
>What did you use for your pillar? Monorail or seperate pillar posts?
>
>I generally machine a monrail and bed that. Takes out stock issues (if
>any). I generally use 4130 as stock for the monorail. Seems pretty
>stable <G>. It adds maybe a pound to the total weight, if that much.
>
>Gunner

Separate pillar posts epoxied into the stock.

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