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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:26 pm
From: Shall not be infringed

On Apr 14, 4:30 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "RBnDFW" <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hq58g6$r4a$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > John R. Carroll wrote:
> >> Deucalion wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
> >>> <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Apr 14, 2:28 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Spec...
>
> >>>>> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
> >>>>> Nov-elections
>
> >>>>> Im simply nutz eh?
>
> >>>>> Laugh laugh laugh
>
> >>>>> Gunner
>
> >>>> Yes, you are simply nuts.
> >>> Just another thing to thank George Bush for I guess. Once the
> >>> government receives a new power, they hardly ever relinquish it. It's
> >>> a one-way street.
>
> >>> BTW, gunner's heads up is about two years too late. But, it was a
> >>> good thing in gunnerland when Bush started and implemented it.
>
> >>>http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9869
>
> >>> Be Wary of Using Military as Police
>
> >>> by Gene Healy and Benjamin H. Friedman
>
> >>> Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute and author of The
> >>> Cult of the Presidency: America's Dangerous Devotion to Executive
> >>> Power. Benjamin H. Friedman is research fellow in defense and homeland
> >>> security studies at the Cato Institute and a PhD candidate in
> >>> political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
>
> >>> Added to cato.org on December 26, 2008
>
> >>> This article appeared in the Orange County Register on December 26,
> >>> 2008
>
> >>> The mainstream media has finally gotten around to reporting that the
> >>> Pentagon has assigned active-duty troops to a homeland defense
> >>> mission, a historical first. On Oct. 1, the 3rd Infantry Division's
> >>> 1st Brigade Combat Team, freshly redeployed from Iraq, began a
> >>> year-long assignment as a domestic "chemical, biological,
> >>> radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive Consequence Management
> >>> Response Force," or CCMRF ("Sea-Smurf"). The 1st BCT is the first of
> >>> three CCMRF teams, who will comprise 15,000-20,000 soldiers, according
> >>> to the Army. The other two will come from the Army National Guard or
> >>> reserves.
>
> > Ok, so as long as they are available, let's send them down to our Southern
> > border for some real Homeland Security duties
>
> Maryland?

New Jersey.

Domestic Terrorists are taking control of store PA Systems and making
stupid announcements.

Just like TMT and Cliffie on here.

== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:28 pm
From: Shall not be infringed

On Apr 14, 4:36 pm, Deucalion <some...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:27:42 -0500, RBnDFW <burkhei...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >John R. Carroll wrote:
> >> Deucalion wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
> >>> <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Apr 14, 2:28 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Spec...
>
> >>>>> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
> >>>>> Nov-elections
>
> >>>>> Im simply nutz eh?
>
> >>>>> Laugh laugh laugh
>
> >>>>> Gunner
>
> >>>> Yes, you are simply nuts.
> >>> Just another thing to thank George Bush for I guess. Once the
> >>> government receives a new power, they hardly ever relinquish it. It's
> >>> a one-way street.
>
> >>> BTW, gunner's heads up is about two years too late. But, it was a
> >>> good thing in gunnerland when Bush started and implemented it.
>
> >>>http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9869
>
> >>> Be Wary of Using Military as Police
>
> >>> by Gene Healy and Benjamin H. Friedman
>
> >>> Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute and author of The
> >>> Cult of the Presidency: America's Dangerous Devotion to Executive
> >>> Power. Benjamin H. Friedman is research fellow in defense and homeland
> >>> security studies at the Cato Institute and a PhD candidate in
> >>> political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
>
> >>> Added to cato.org on December 26, 2008
>
> >>> This article appeared in the Orange County Register on December 26,
> >>> 2008
>
> >>> The mainstream media has finally gotten around to reporting that the
> >>> Pentagon has assigned active-duty troops to a homeland defense
> >>> mission, a historical first. On Oct. 1, the 3rd Infantry Division's
> >>> 1st Brigade Combat Team, freshly redeployed from Iraq, began a
> >>> year-long assignment as a domestic "chemical, biological,
> >>> radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive Consequence Management
> >>> Response Force," or CCMRF ("Sea-Smurf"). The 1st BCT is the first of
> >>> three CCMRF teams, who will comprise 15,000-20,000 soldiers, according
> >>> to the Army. The other two will come from the Army National Guard or
> >>> reserves.
>
> >Ok, so as long as they are available, let's send them down to our
> >Southern border for some real Homeland Security duties
>
> No. They need to be kept free so that they can be used at a moments
> notice. It's quite possible that they may be used against the very
> people who brought them into existence.

Their mothers?

> Wouldn't that be a hoot to watch?

I can't say it would. You're kind of goofy.

== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:27 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I'm for that. But what are the odds of zero taking that
action?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"RBnDFW" <burkheimer@gmail.com>
wrote in message
news:hq58g6$r4a$3@news.eternal-september.org...

Ok, so as long as they are available, let's send them down
to our
Southern border for some real Homeland Security duties

== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:30 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d74b474c-537c-4ab7-af60-b594352b25e8@q15g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 14, 5:18 pm, "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
> Deucalion wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
> > <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Apr 14, 2:28 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Spec...
>
> >>> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
> >>> Nov-elections
>
> >>> Im simply nutz eh?
>
> >>> Laugh laugh laugh
>
> >>> Gunner

>Huh? Maybe they'll give them psychrotropic drugs so they'll gun down
>American Citizens.
>
>Who was that jackass general that Clinton sent to Bosnia and almost
>started WW-III with the Russians?
>
>He was supposedly at Waco. Clionton endorsed him for President.
>Clark?
>
>> >> Yes, you are simply nuts.
>
> > Just another thing to thank George Bush for I guess. Once the
> > government receives a new power, they hardly ever relinquish it. It's
> > a one-way street.
>
> > BTW, gunner's heads up is about two years too late. But, it was a
> > good thing in gunnerland when Bush started and implemented it.
>
> >http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9869
>
> > Be Wary of Using Military as Police
>
> > by Gene Healy and Benjamin H. Friedman
>
> > Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute and author of The
> > Cult of the Presidency: America's Dangerous Devotion to Executive
> > Power. Benjamin H. Friedman is research fellow in defense and homeland
> > security studies at the Cato Institute and a PhD candidate in
> > political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
>
> > Added to cato.org on December 26, 2008
>
> > This article appeared in the Orange County Register on December 26,
> > 2008
>
> > The mainstream media has finally gotten around to reporting that the
> > Pentagon has assigned active-duty troops to a homeland defense
> > mission, a historical first. On Oct. 1, the 3rd Infantry Division's
> > 1st Brigade Combat Team, freshly redeployed from Iraq, began a
> > year-long assignment as a domestic "chemical, biological,
> > radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive Consequence Management
> > Response Force," or CCMRF ("Sea-Smurf"). The 1st BCT is the first of
> > three CCMRF teams, who will comprise 15,000-20,000 soldiers, according
> > to the Army. The other two will come from the Army National Guard or
> > reserves.
>
> > Neither the terrorist threat nor the hazards of bad weather require
> > rethinking our traditional reluctance to use standing armies at home.
> > We need not fear a coup, but we should worry about misusing our busy
> > military for civilian tasks and developing an tendency to rely on the
> > troops to answer every scare.
>
> > Initial reports were that the 1st BCT might be used to deal with civil
> > unrest and crowd control, missions that would be in severe tension
> > with the Posse Comitatus Act, the longstanding federal statute that
> > restricts the president's ability to use the U.S. military as a
> > domestic police force. In September, the Army Times described the
> > unit's training as "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has
> > fielded," including beanbag bullets, Tasers and traffic roadblocks.
>
> > That report, along with the Bush administration's claim that the
> > Constitution allows that president to use forces as he sees fit, no
> > matter what Congress forbids, created well-founded fears that the
> > CCMRFs first attack would be on Posse Comitatus. Yet Pentagon
> > spokespeople deny that forces will be used for law enforcement
> > purposes. And one suspects that the Bush administration's monarchial
> > view of executive power will be out of fashion come January.
>
> "Paradoxically, preserving liberty may require the rule of a single
> leader--a dictator--willing to use those dreaded 'extraordinary measures,'
> which few know how, or are willing, to employ." -- Michael Ledeen, White
> House advisor and fellow of the American Enterprise Institute,
> "Machiavelli
> on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli's Iron Rules Are As Timely and
> Important Today As Five Centuries Ago"
>
> "Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of
> mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will
> likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government." --
> NewsMax,
> November 21, 2003

>Isn't martial law a form of military government?
>
>You guys said that Bush was setting things up for martial law.
>
>You guys said that Bush was going to implement martial law.
>
>Yo said that Bush was going to suspend elections.
>
>You guys said that Bush was going to suspend the Constitution.
>
>You said all that long after 9/11. If 9/11 wasn't the trigger for
>martial law, I don't know what is.

Oh? Where was the riot? Was there an insurrection we didn't hear about?

>So do you still think Bush will implement martial law?

>He better get to it while he's still President.

Bush is running his chainsaw on the back 40. He's fully occupied, looking
for a tree and chewing gum at the same time.

--
Ed Huntress

== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:34 pm
From: Shall not be infringed

On Apr 14, 5:30 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:d74b474c-537c-4ab7-af60-b594352b25e8@q15g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 14, 5:18 pm, "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
> > Deucalion wrote:
> > > On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
> > > <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> On Apr 14, 2:28 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Spec...
>
> > >>> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
> > >>> Nov-elections
>
> > >>> Im simply nutz eh?
>
> > >>> Laugh laugh laugh
>
> > >>> Gunner
> >Huh? Maybe they'll give them psychrotropic drugs so they'll gun down
> >American Citizens.
>
> >Who was that jackass general that Clinton sent to Bosnia and almost
> >started WW-III with the Russians?
>
> >He was supposedly at Waco. Clionton endorsed him for President.
> >Clark?
>
> >> >> Yes, you are simply nuts.
>
> > > Just another thing to thank George Bush for I guess. Once the
> > > government receives a new power, they hardly ever relinquish it. It's
> > > a one-way street.
>
> > > BTW, gunner's heads up is about two years too late. But, it was a
> > > good thing in gunnerland when Bush started and implemented it.
>
> > >http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9869
>
> > > Be Wary of Using Military as Police
>
> > > by Gene Healy and Benjamin H. Friedman
>
> > > Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute and author of The
> > > Cult of the Presidency: America's Dangerous Devotion to Executive
> > > Power. Benjamin H. Friedman is research fellow in defense and homeland
> > > security studies at the Cato Institute and a PhD candidate in
> > > political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
>
> > > Added to cato.org on December 26, 2008
>
> > > This article appeared in the Orange County Register on December 26,
> > > 2008
>
> > > The mainstream media has finally gotten around to reporting that the
> > > Pentagon has assigned active-duty troops to a homeland defense
> > > mission, a historical first. On Oct. 1, the 3rd Infantry Division's
> > > 1st Brigade Combat Team, freshly redeployed from Iraq, began a
> > > year-long assignment as a domestic "chemical, biological,
> > > radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive Consequence Management
> > > Response Force," or CCMRF ("Sea-Smurf"). The 1st BCT is the first of
> > > three CCMRF teams, who will comprise 15,000-20,000 soldiers, according
> > > to the Army. The other two will come from the Army National Guard or
> > > reserves.
>
> > > Neither the terrorist threat nor the hazards of bad weather require
> > > rethinking our traditional reluctance to use standing armies at home.
> > > We need not fear a coup, but we should worry about misusing our busy
> > > military for civilian tasks and developing an tendency to rely on the
> > > troops to answer every scare.
>
> > > Initial reports were that the 1st BCT might be used to deal with civil
> > > unrest and crowd control, missions that would be in severe tension
> > > with the Posse Comitatus Act, the longstanding federal statute that
> > > restricts the president's ability to use the U.S. military as a
> > > domestic police force. In September, the Army Times described the
> > > unit's training as "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has
> > > fielded," including beanbag bullets, Tasers and traffic roadblocks.
>
> > > That report, along with the Bush administration's claim that the
> > > Constitution allows that president to use forces as he sees fit, no
> > > matter what Congress forbids, created well-founded fears that the
> > > CCMRFs first attack would be on Posse Comitatus. Yet Pentagon
> > > spokespeople deny that forces will be used for law enforcement
> > > purposes. And one suspects that the Bush administration's monarchial
> > > view of executive power will be out of fashion come January.
>
> > "Paradoxically, preserving liberty may require the rule of a single
> > leader--a dictator--willing to use those dreaded 'extraordinary measures,'
> > which few know how, or are willing, to employ." -- Michael Ledeen, White
> > House advisor and fellow of the American Enterprise Institute,
> > "Machiavelli
> > on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli's Iron Rules Are As Timely and
> > Important Today As Five Centuries Ago"
>
> > "Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of
> > mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will
> > likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government." --
> > NewsMax,
> > November 21, 2003
> >Isn't martial law a form of military government?
>
> >You guys said that Bush was setting things up for martial law.
>
> >You guys said that Bush was going to implement martial law.
>
> >Yo said that Bush was going to suspend elections.
>
> >You guys said that Bush was going to suspend the Constitution.
>
> >You said all that long after 9/11. If 9/11 wasn't the trigger for
> >martial law, I don't know what is.
>
> Oh? Where was the riot? Was there an insurrection we didn't hear about?

Most people know it as Flight 93. Civilians ended up protecting the
country.

> >So do you still think Bush will implement martial law?
> >He better get to it while he's still President.
>
> Bush is running his chainsaw on the back 40. He's fully occupied, looking
> for a tree and chewing gum at the same time.

Oh, really? By the way 0bama talks you'd think Bush were still in the
White House fucking things up.

My bad!

== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:47 pm
From: Ned Simmons

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:02:59 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>
>"Ned Simmons" <news@nedsim.com> wrote in message
>news:0u9cs5l64l4v30shkvkr4cldj2eacjdhbv@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:30:05 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok, so as long as they are available, let's send them down to our
>>>> Southern
>>>> border for some real Homeland Security duties
>>>
>>>Maryland?
>>
>> New Hampshire.
>
>Cripes. That's the Rutabaga Republic. d8-)

I think of it as northern Massachusetts. In terms of civil behavior,
not politically. Rutabagas are available from PEI, minus the
riff-raff.

--
Ned Simmons

== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 3:00 pm
From: Deucalion

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:30:21 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>
>"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:d74b474c-537c-4ab7-af60-b594352b25e8@q15g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>On Apr 14, 5:18 pm, "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>> Deucalion wrote:
>> > On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
>> > <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Apr 14, 2:28 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Spec...
>>
>> >>> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
>> >>> Nov-elections
>>
>> >>> Im simply nutz eh?
>>
>> >>> Laugh laugh laugh
>>
>> >>> Gunner
>
>>Huh? Maybe they'll give them psychrotropic drugs so they'll gun down
>>American Citizens.
>>
>>Who was that jackass general that Clinton sent to Bosnia and almost
>>started WW-III with the Russians?
>>
>>He was supposedly at Waco. Clionton endorsed him for President.
>>Clark?
>>
>>> >> Yes, you are simply nuts.
>>
>> > Just another thing to thank George Bush for I guess. Once the
>> > government receives a new power, they hardly ever relinquish it. It's
>> > a one-way street.
>>
>> > BTW, gunner's heads up is about two years too late. But, it was a
>> > good thing in gunnerland when Bush started and implemented it.
>>
>> >http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9869
>>
>> > Be Wary of Using Military as Police
>>
>> > by Gene Healy and Benjamin H. Friedman
>>
>> > Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute and author of The
>> > Cult of the Presidency: America's Dangerous Devotion to Executive
>> > Power. Benjamin H. Friedman is research fellow in defense and homeland
>> > security studies at the Cato Institute and a PhD candidate in
>> > political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
>>
>> > Added to cato.org on December 26, 2008
>>
>> > This article appeared in the Orange County Register on December 26,
>> > 2008
>>
>> > The mainstream media has finally gotten around to reporting that the
>> > Pentagon has assigned active-duty troops to a homeland defense
>> > mission, a historical first. On Oct. 1, the 3rd Infantry Division's
>> > 1st Brigade Combat Team, freshly redeployed from Iraq, began a
>> > year-long assignment as a domestic "chemical, biological,
>> > radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive Consequence Management
>> > Response Force," or CCMRF ("Sea-Smurf"). The 1st BCT is the first of
>> > three CCMRF teams, who will comprise 15,000-20,000 soldiers, according
>> > to the Army. The other two will come from the Army National Guard or
>> > reserves.
>>
>> > Neither the terrorist threat nor the hazards of bad weather require
>> > rethinking our traditional reluctance to use standing armies at home.
>> > We need not fear a coup, but we should worry about misusing our busy
>> > military for civilian tasks and developing an tendency to rely on the
>> > troops to answer every scare.
>>
>> > Initial reports were that the 1st BCT might be used to deal with civil
>> > unrest and crowd control, missions that would be in severe tension
>> > with the Posse Comitatus Act, the longstanding federal statute that
>> > restricts the president's ability to use the U.S. military as a
>> > domestic police force. In September, the Army Times described the
>> > unit's training as "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has
>> > fielded," including beanbag bullets, Tasers and traffic roadblocks.
>>
>> > That report, along with the Bush administration's claim that the
>> > Constitution allows that president to use forces as he sees fit, no
>> > matter what Congress forbids, created well-founded fears that the
>> > CCMRFs first attack would be on Posse Comitatus. Yet Pentagon
>> > spokespeople deny that forces will be used for law enforcement
>> > purposes. And one suspects that the Bush administration's monarchial
>> > view of executive power will be out of fashion come January.
>>
>> "Paradoxically, preserving liberty may require the rule of a single
>> leader--a dictator--willing to use those dreaded 'extraordinary measures,'
>> which few know how, or are willing, to employ." -- Michael Ledeen, White
>> House advisor and fellow of the American Enterprise Institute,
>> "Machiavelli
>> on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli's Iron Rules Are As Timely and
>> Important Today As Five Centuries Ago"
>>
>> "Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of
>> mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will
>> likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government." --
>> NewsMax,
>> November 21, 2003
>
>>Isn't martial law a form of military government?
>>
>>You guys said that Bush was setting things up for martial law.
>>
>>You guys said that Bush was going to implement martial law.
>>
>>Yo said that Bush was going to suspend elections.
>>
>>You guys said that Bush was going to suspend the Constitution.
>>
>>You said all that long after 9/11. If 9/11 wasn't the trigger for
>>martial law, I don't know what is.
>
>Oh? Where was the riot? Was there an insurrection we didn't hear about?
>
>>So do you still think Bush will implement martial law?
>
>>He better get to it while he's still President.
>
>Bush is running his chainsaw on the back 40. He's fully occupied, looking
>for a tree and chewing gum at the same time.

In CheeseWorld, it's Obama's fault that Bush put the mechanism in
place and Obama kept it.

== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 3:06 pm
From: Shall not be infringed

On Apr 14, 6:00 pm, Deucalion <some...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:30:21 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>
>
>
>
>
> <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:d74b474c-537c-4ab7-af60-b594352b25e8@q15g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> >On Apr 14, 5:18 pm, "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
> >> Deucalion wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
> >> > <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> On Apr 14, 2:28 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Spec...
>
> >> >>> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
> >> >>> Nov-elections
>
> >> >>> Im simply nutz eh?
>
> >> >>> Laugh laugh laugh
>
> >> >>> Gunner
>
> >>Huh? Maybe they'll give them psychrotropic drugs so they'll gun down
> >>American Citizens.
>
> >>Who was that jackass general that Clinton sent to Bosnia and almost
> >>started WW-III with the Russians?
>
> >>He was supposedly at Waco. Clionton endorsed him for President.
> >>Clark?
>
> >>> >> Yes, you are simply nuts.
>
> >> > Just another thing to thank George Bush for I guess. Once the
> >> > government receives a new power, they hardly ever relinquish it. It's
> >> > a one-way street.
>
> >> > BTW, gunner's heads up is about two years too late. But, it was a
> >> > good thing in gunnerland when Bush started and implemented it.
>
> >> >http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9869
>
> >> > Be Wary of Using Military as Police
>
> >> > by Gene Healy and Benjamin H. Friedman
>
> >> > Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute and author of The
> >> > Cult of the Presidency: America's Dangerous Devotion to Executive
> >> > Power. Benjamin H. Friedman is research fellow in defense and homeland
> >> > security studies at the Cato Institute and a PhD candidate in
> >> > political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
>
> >> > Added to cato.org on December 26, 2008
>
> >> > This article appeared in the Orange County Register on December 26,
> >> > 2008
>
> >> > The mainstream media has finally gotten around to reporting that the
> >> > Pentagon has assigned active-duty troops to a homeland defense
> >> > mission, a historical first. On Oct. 1, the 3rd Infantry Division's
> >> > 1st Brigade Combat Team, freshly redeployed from Iraq, began a
> >> > year-long assignment as a domestic "chemical, biological,
> >> > radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive Consequence Management
> >> > Response Force," or CCMRF ("Sea-Smurf"). The 1st BCT is the first of
> >> > three CCMRF teams, who will comprise 15,000-20,000 soldiers, according
> >> > to the Army. The other two will come from the Army National Guard or
> >> > reserves.
>
> >> > Neither the terrorist threat nor the hazards of bad weather require
> >> > rethinking our traditional reluctance to use standing armies at home.
> >> > We need not fear a coup, but we should worry about misusing our busy
> >> > military for civilian tasks and developing an tendency to rely on the
> >> > troops to answer every scare.
>
> >> > Initial reports were that the 1st BCT might be used to deal with civil
> >> > unrest and crowd control, missions that would be in severe tension
> >> > with the Posse Comitatus Act, the longstanding federal statute that
> >> > restricts the president's ability to use the U.S. military as a
> >> > domestic police force. In September, the Army Times described the
> >> > unit's training as "the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has
> >> > fielded," including beanbag bullets, Tasers and traffic roadblocks.
>
> >> > That report, along with the Bush administration's claim that the
> >> > Constitution allows that president to use forces as he sees fit, no
> >> > matter what Congress forbids, created well-founded fears that the
> >> > CCMRFs first attack would be on Posse Comitatus. Yet Pentagon
> >> > spokespeople deny that forces will be used for law enforcement
> >> > purposes. And one suspects that the Bush administration's monarchial
> >> > view of executive power will be out of fashion come January.
>
> >> "Paradoxically, preserving liberty may require the rule of a single
> >> leader--a dictator--willing to use those dreaded 'extraordinary measures,'
> >> which few know how, or are willing, to employ." -- Michael Ledeen, White
> >> House advisor and fellow of the American Enterprise Institute,
> >> "Machiavelli
> >> on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli's Iron Rules Are As Timely and
> >> Important Today As Five Centuries Ago"
>
> >> "Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of
> >> mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will
> >> likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government." --
> >> NewsMax,
> >> November 21, 2003
>
> >>Isn't martial law a form of military government?
>
> >>You guys said that Bush was setting things up for martial law.
>
> >>You guys said that Bush was going to implement martial law.
>
> >>Yo said that Bush was going to suspend elections.
>
> >>You guys said that Bush was going to suspend the Constitution.
>
> >>You said all that long after 9/11. If 9/11 wasn't the trigger for
> >>martial law, I don't know what is.
>
> >Oh? Where was the riot? Was there an insurrection we didn't hear about?
>
> >>So do you still think Bush will implement martial law?
>
> >>He better get to it while he's still President.
>
> >Bush is running his chainsaw on the back 40. He's fully occupied, looking
> >for a tree and chewing gum at the same time.
>
> In CheeseWorld, it's Obama's fault that Bush put the mechanism in
> place and Obama kept it.

In BobBrockWorld, it's Bush's fault that Johnson put the Stop Loss
mechanism in
place and Bush kept it.

== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 3:19 pm
From: RBnDFW

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "RBnDFW" <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hq58g6$r4a$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>> John R. Carroll wrote:
>>> Deucalion wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
>>>> <rangerssuck@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 14, 2:28 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Spec...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
>>>>>> Nov-elections
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Im simply nutz eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laugh laugh laugh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gunner
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, you are simply nuts.
>>>> Just another thing to thank George Bush for I guess. Once the
>>>> government receives a new power, they hardly ever relinquish it. It's
>>>> a one-way street.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, gunner's heads up is about two years too late. But, it was a
>>>> good thing in gunnerland when Bush started and implemented it.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9869
>>>>
>>>> Be Wary of Using Military as Police
>>>>
>>>> by Gene Healy and Benjamin H. Friedman
>>>>
>>>> Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute and author of The
>>>> Cult of the Presidency: America's Dangerous Devotion to Executive
>>>> Power. Benjamin H. Friedman is research fellow in defense and homeland
>>>> security studies at the Cato Institute and a PhD candidate in
>>>> political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
>>>>
>>>> Added to cato.org on December 26, 2008
>>>>
>>>> This article appeared in the Orange County Register on December 26,
>>>> 2008
>>>>
>>>> The mainstream media has finally gotten around to reporting that the
>>>> Pentagon has assigned active-duty troops to a homeland defense
>>>> mission, a historical first. On Oct. 1, the 3rd Infantry Division's
>>>> 1st Brigade Combat Team, freshly redeployed from Iraq, began a
>>>> year-long assignment as a domestic "chemical, biological,
>>>> radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive Consequence Management
>>>> Response Force," or CCMRF ("Sea-Smurf"). The 1st BCT is the first of
>>>> three CCMRF teams, who will comprise 15,000-20,000 soldiers, according
>>>> to the Army. The other two will come from the Army National Guard or
>>>> reserves.
>> Ok, so as long as they are available, let's send them down to our Southern
>> border for some real Homeland Security duties
>
> Maryland?
>

LOL bring 'em on!

== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 3:21 pm
From: RBnDFW

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I'm for that. But what are the odds of zero taking that
> action?
>

And negatively impact his future voter base?
I think not

== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 3:25 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Ned Simmons" <news@nedsim.com> wrote in message
news:nsccs5he87cfe5la31d0tb8lfibdhrffs0@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:02:59 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ned Simmons" <news@nedsim.com> wrote in message
>>news:0u9cs5l64l4v30shkvkr4cldj2eacjdhbv@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:30:05 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>>> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, so as long as they are available, let's send them down to our
>>>>> Southern
>>>>> border for some real Homeland Security duties
>>>>
>>>>Maryland?
>>>
>>> New Hampshire.
>>
>>Cripes. That's the Rutabaga Republic. d8-)
>
> I think of it as northern Massachusetts. In terms of civil behavior,
> not politically. Rutabagas are available from PEI, minus the
> riff-raff.

Forty years ago you could have bought them from my relatives in Greenland,
NH. <g>

--
Ed Huntress

== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 4:28 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

RBnDFW wrote:
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> I'm for that. But what are the odds of zero taking that
>> action?
>>
>
> And negatively impact his future voter base?
> I think not

It would be hilarious if Hayworth would pay to have a McCain campaign
commercial run south of the border.
I wonder why he hasn't?
LOL

--
John R. Carroll

== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 3:55 pm
From: Wes

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>> Ok, so as long as they are available, let's send them down to our Southern
>> border for some real Homeland Security duties
>
>Maryland?

Nah, gotta keep those undesirables from Cook county Ill from invading my state.

I'm waiting for our Southern friends to pipe up about protecting their northern borders.
;)

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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TOPIC: Need suggestions for painting aluminum? / can shaking
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/98d070c0f21a4415?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:34 pm
From: James Waldby

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:22:34 -0400, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
> James Waldby wrote:
>
>> Have you found any good (and non-manual) way to shake a can?
> ...
>
> A couple of years ago there was a thread about shaking rattle cans & I
> felt inspired to make this:
> http://home.comcast.net/~bobengelhardt/PaintShaker.jpg
>
> It was mostly in a Monty Python spirit that I did it (i.e., just being
> silly), but it's actually pretty useful. 10 seconds on that baby throws
> the ball around a lot!

I'd forgotten about that thread - thanks for the reminder.
I don't have a saber saw like that one but I could make an
adapter for my reciprocating saw (Sawzall look-alike) which
has, conveniently, a wide-range speed adjustment on it.
Thanks!

--
jiw

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 3:04 pm
From: "Steve W."

KG wrote:
> I need suggestions on painting an aluminum clutch cover for a car. I Goggled it and found umpteen
> hits on how to chemically etch the cover & cleaning it, but this is just a home project to paint it
> an aluminum color. The cover is on a show car so it will not see much bad weather. I'm looking
> for a method that can be easily done at home at a reasonable cost. Any realistic suggestions would
> be appreciated.
> *****************
> Thank You kgsAT@msbx.net
>
>
> To reply to this email please remove the AT
> after the kgs in the reply to address as shown above.
>
> Never ever under estimate the incompetent.

Don't paint it. Polish it and hit it with a clear coat.

If you really want to paint it. I would probably toss it in the oven for
a couple hours to out-gas it and drive out any oil/crud in the aluminum.
Then use a soda blaster to clean and etch it. Then a coat of etching
primer, and a coat of good paint.

--
Steve W.
(\___/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

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TOPIC: Measuring the CFM of a fan - Followup
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/26bfb4c58b3c5ff9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:38 pm
From: Ned Simmons

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:01:44 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
<bobengelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>I ran the blower for a 5 minutes, more or less, & afterward I noticed
>the smell of heat. Yes, the motor was getting hot. Damn. I checked
>the speed - it was only 630 rpm, and the rating is 1075. The cap was
>neither shorted nor open, but I tried another & still slow.
>
>I'm assuming that I'm SOL - that the winding is shorted - but what do I
>know. Am I right, or is there something else that could be wrong? And
>fixable?

Throttle the input or output and try again. Many blowers use maximum
power when moving maximum air volume. Block the intake of a shop vac
and note that the motor speed increases.

--
Ned Simmons

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 3:05 pm
From: "Artemus"

"Bob Engelhardt" <bobengelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hq5afi01t70@news1.newsguy.com...
> Bob Engelhardt wrote:
> > Bill McKee wrote:
> >> Talk to a local sailor. Borrow his wind guage. ...
> >
> > Yes - and your reply prompts my memory of a neighbor's weather station,
> > with an _anemometer_! ...
>
> I borrowed the anemometer & measured the blower's air speed - 64 mph (!)
> at the hot spot. Very uneven distribution, though. It would have been
> better to attach a piece of duct, to even out the flow, but I have a
> problem.
>
> I ran the blower for a 5 minutes, more or less, & afterward I noticed
> the smell of heat. Yes, the motor was getting hot. Damn. I checked
> the speed - it was only 630 rpm, and the rating is 1075. The cap was
> neither shorted nor open, but I tried another & still slow.
>
> I'm assuming that I'm SOL - that the winding is shorted - but what do I
> know. Am I right, or is there something else that could be wrong? And
> fixable?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob

You're overloading the motor. Go down to section 3 (about
1/2 way down the page) and read the Amp Meter Tests overview.
http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/measurement.cfm
You'll need to add some ducting and/or baffles to get your blower
back in it's design range.
Art

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TOPIC: rock moving trailer
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/82291bc71526ca50?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:48 pm
From: Jim Wilkins

On Apr 14, 5:17 pm, "Steve B" <deserttrave...@dishynail.net> wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/deserttraveler/
>
> Explanation on there. I think it would be easy to make one out of 3 " x 3 "
> tubing, making it like a very large lever to lift the rock only a foot or
> so. Easy to drop the rock just where you want it, too.
>
> Steve

I've moved rocks with my trailer that way, and right now I'm replacing
an overstressed, cracked tire. (supper break)

jsw

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TOPIC: OT Good news (from "who will be the first")
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/de4246196f575c10?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:51 pm
From: "Steve W."

Don Foreman wrote:
>
SNIP
>
> When I visited my surgeon for post-op checkup a coupla weeks after
> discharge, I didn't bring my heart pillow though I was far from done
> with it. Dr. Anderson asked me to grip his hand as firmly as I could,
> don't know why. I asked him if he was sure he wanted me to do that.
> He grinned, said to back off if I see him flinch.
>
> I gripped, he flinched and grinned. "I won't need to see you again.
> Your rehab regimen starts now. Let's talk about rifles."
>
> Our colleagues and lunch buds during our careers (and some shooting
> buds post-career) included some world-class scientists, so perhaps our
> ability to ask good questions has contributed to our very positive
> experiences. I don't think so, because most experiences were
> post-priori. I think that we've been shot and blessed with luck.
> Living in the twin cities area was undoubtedly a beneficial factor.
>
> We've been incredibly lucky with neighbors and with health care
> professionals. And with each other. And with good wishes and prayers
> from some of y'all.
>
> Now, can we get back to pissing each other off? <G>
>

Your Doctor made the same mistake as mine. The only thing different was
mine asked me to squeeze as hard and as fast as I could. He will not be
making that mistake again! Nothing like a couple broken bones to wake
you up!

--
Steve W.
(\___/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:59 pm
From: "Steve W."

Don Foreman wrote:
>
> Not MIDCAB, remediation by ablation of atrial fibrillation which isn't
> usually life-threatening but can be (and has been) a significant
> quality-of-life issue.
>
> Until very recently, the response to afib has been: "get used to it"
> or "suck it up", usually expressed somewhat more diplomatically. It's
> not life-threatening like v-fib but it can strongly affect quality of
> life.

Don,
My father had the same type of problem and the same procedure to deal
with it. One thing he didn't pay attention to was the recovery phase the
Doc's wanted him to follow. As a result he had to go in again and they
did some more work.

Make sure she allows the healing to take place. It may annoy her to not
do certain things, and she might complain, but it is essential to let
the heart recover.

--
Steve W.
(\___/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

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TOPIC: Heat/air for small garage/shop
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21ca08258ce8d2a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:52 pm
From: Ignoramus18864

I use a 24 inch wall mounted industrial fan and no air
conditioning. It works fine for me. I wrap a towel around my head on
hot days and can work in 100 degree temp all day long.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 3:22 pm
From: RBnDFW

stryped wrote:
> On Apr 14, 3:23 pm, RBnDFW <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> stryped wrote:
>>> I have been looking around at used heat/air conditioners for my garage/
>>> shop. It is not used all the time, mainly on weekends currently. It is
>>> a 30x30x10 metal building with 2x4 walls in the inside and 2x4 trusses
>>> on the ceiling.
>>> I found a local heating air guy that has an 80's 3 ton unit that he
>>> says was workign when pulled out of the house. The owner wanted to
>>> upgrade. But, it is not a split system like I have in my house.
>>> Is there a way to use this and it not look bad ? I mean, how would you
>>> do the duct from the outside to the inside with a 2x4 wall?
>>> Would this be too inefficent since it is old even though I am not in
>>> there all the time. It does get terribly hot in there in the summer, I
>>> am not as concerned about heat in the winter. I am in the process of
>>> insulating currently and have no inside wall material as of yet other
>>> than studs.
>>> I have a 100 amp panel in my garage.
>>> This unit is 300 bucks.
>> For my money (and in my 24x40 shop) a Home Depot window unit in the back
>> endwall works fine. Pushes cold air all the way to the far wall, no
>> problem. My requirements at the shop are different from my home. I'm
>> only there once or twice a week, and I don't want sweat pouring off me
>> while I work. A window unit knocks the 100 degrees 80% humidity down to
>> something comfortable in about 30 minutes.
>> They run for years, are quite efficient, and when they quit, you
>> just buy another for ~$300. Much cheaper in the long run.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Problem is I dont have a window.

Nor did I

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TOPIC: Miners' Blood
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/103c062b2e28f004?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:57 pm
From: Shall not be infringed

On Apr 14, 3:07 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sally-kohn/miners-blood-on-sarah-pal_b_...

> "Miners' Blood on Sarah Palin's Hands"

You should have called it "Blood Coal" and tried to tie in some of the
emotion o the movie Blood Diamond.

> [
> If Sarah Palin were president, there would be more dead miners in America. At a
> time when Palin, the Tea Partiers and other ultra-conservatives are calling for
> the destruction of government comes a sad reminder of just how much government
> is needed and just how out of touch -- and irresponsible -- their
> anti-government tirades are.
>
> The current anti-tax agenda is nothing more than new lipstick on the old
> conservative pig of a plan to kill government by cutting taxes and thus
> "starving the beast," as Grover Norquist infamously said. Tea Party posters say
> "Taxed Enough Already" even though our fiscal crises were caused not by too high
> taxes (which were actually cut for the middle class) but by lowering taxes on
> the super-rich under Bush. Sarah Palin has absurdly blamed government regulation
> for causing the Great Depression and suggested the solution to our current
> crisis -- one caused by deregulating the banks -- is less regulation, not more.
> Texas Governor Rick Perry said the biggest problem we face as a nation is "Big
> Daddy government."
>
> Tell that to the families of the Upper Big Branch mine.
>
> Massey Energy CEO Don Blankenship called mine safety regulations "as silly as
> global warming." In 2008, Massey paid a $20 million fine to the Environmental
> Protection Agency, and that same year, a Massey subsidiary, the Aracoma Coal
> Company, pled guilty to safety violations and agreed to $4.2 million in civil
> penalties and criminal fines connected to the 2006 deaths of two miners in a
> fire.
>
> Currently, Massey owes $7.6 million in safety violation fines, of which only
> $2.3 million has been paid. Last month alone, the Upper Big Branch mine was
> cited for 53 safety violations by the U.S. Mine Safety and Health
> Administration, many for inadequate ventilation of dust and methane gas and
> improperly maintained escape passages. Last year, the number of citations
> against the mine more than doubled, to over 500, from 2008, and the penalties
> proposed against the mine more than tripled.
>
> Yet the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration was unable to adequately
> follow-up on enforcing penalties on these existing regulations. Why? Budget
> cuts.
>
> Sarah Palin and her pals would cut federal funding for safety enforcement even
> more, driven by their coziness with corrupt big business and an ideological
> narrow-mindedness that the "free market" should be left as free as possible.
> That includes free to kill. ......
> ]

In Ohio the mines are inspected by state government.

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TOPIC: How to move rocks 400-1000 lbs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c1a912dbeba11002?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 2:59 pm
From: Jim Wilkins

On Apr 14, 5:18 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Make a circle of chain around the narrow base of the rock.
> Hook the chain, so it's a circle. Smaller than the wide part
> of the rock.
>
> Put chains across the top of the rock in a letter X fashion,
> and hook to the "around" chain.
>
> Makes a pattern similar to a belt and suspenders below a fat
> man's belly.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young

That's functionally the same as what I wrote, except that I hung the
suspenders and sides of the belt over the rock first and then fastened
the buckle, front and rear. (Still can't describe it right). I rarely
can count on help and have to organize a job so as much as possible
stays in place by gravity. Chains are particularly hard to hold in
place since a shackle takes both hands to assemble.

jsw

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TOPIC: Karl, what do you think about this kit
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/03393350cf311ee5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 3:32 pm
From: Ignoramus18864

ebay item 300417172682

http://ef.algebra.com/e/300417172682

http://www.lowcostcncretrofits.com/

This kit goes along the lines of your "go nuclear" option.

This would look like it is a one day job to install. Considering how
many things can go wrong with a DIY conversion, tthis system seems
very attractive.

Selling off removed parts can recoup a part of the cost.

I want to avoid the morass like my [ultimately successful] welder
microcontroller project. It sapped all my energy for six months,
eventually worked exactly as intended, welded great, but was
inconvenient to use and cost a lot of money in trinkets, parts that I
ended up not using, etc.

Any thoughts?

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