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TOPIC: OT How the Corporations Broke Ralph Nader and America, Too.
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 6:46 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
news:s4ydnVU1_6pb6l_WnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>> news:O9Kdne31CvMexl_WnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>> news:BdCdnRD2xIaGyV_WnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:XcWdnXO2StrB1V_WnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Bill McKee" <bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:2o-dnZZmEufJ8FzWnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>>>>> Which brings up a classic sports car fanatic trivia question:
>>>>>>>> What did GTO stand for, as in Pontiac GTO or Ferrari GTO? It
>>>>>>>> was an abbreviation in Italian, but most people don't know what
>>>>>>>> it means even after you translate it into English. d8-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grand Tourisimo wan't it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the "GT." What's the "O"? The "O" is the hard part. d8-)
>>>>>
>>>>> O
>>>>> I mean Oh.
>>>>> "Ceritfied" or "Approved" in English. That isn't literal.
>>>>> To an American buyer it meant "Long, Wide Penis" however.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> John R. Carroll
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. Connotations are important here. d8-)
>>>
>>> LOL
>>> I still have a couple of chrome plated die cast emblems that say
>>> "Vega Chaparral".
>>> GM was pretty far along when Hall complained.
>>
>> Huh. I didn't know about that one. Or I forgot it. Did GM think that
>> Hall owed them?
>
> I really don't know Ed. I think they were surprised as hell and I
> definitely
> know they were pissed big time. After getting reamed for the "Monza"
> badge,...

By Ferrari, IIRC...

> ...something Hall knew all about, they decided to screw him back rather
> than
> make a deal. Hall priced himself out of the market.
> HAHAHA!
>
>>He probably did -- not financially, but for turning
>> out those special automatic transmissions, which were brilliant and
>> which allowed the driver to use his left foot to control the wing.
>
> What I remember most about that car was that it was banned from racing <G>

Jeez, you want to get me going again? <g> That was the Sucker Car, which was
banned at LeMans. The guy, or his engineering team (Hall was an excellent
engineer himself, by all accounts) came up with one genius thing after
another. The FIA finally got pushed over the edge when he showed up with a
car that had an "auxiliary" engine of 40 hp that sucked the air out from
under the car and slammed it down to the track like a leech. d8-)

Hall got pissed, withdrew from racing, and left it all to Ford and their GTs
(I hope Banquer isn't listening -- he'll jump in here and make a real mess
if he sees that).

--
Ed Huntress

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 9:06 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
> news:s4ydnVU1_6pb6l_WnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>> news:O9Kdne31CvMexl_WnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>>> news:BdCdnRD2xIaGyV_WnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:XcWdnXO2StrB1V_WnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> What I remember most about that car was that it was banned from
>> racing <G>
>
> Jeez, you want to get me going again? <g> That was the Sucker Car,
> which was banned at LeMans. The guy, or his engineering team (Hall
> was an excellent engineer himself, by all accounts) came up with one
> genius thing after another. The FIA finally got pushed over the edge
> when he showed up with a car that had an "auxiliary" engine of 40 hp
> that sucked the air out from under the car and slammed it down to the
> track like a leech. d8-)

I thought they had raced it somewhere snd kicked everyones ass.
I did see one of the two(?) that were put together.
Pretty cool looking and they ran it around the Tech Center track after lunch
the day I was there.
I think they toured the car to auto shows or something but I just don't
remember.

>
> Hall got pissed, withdrew from racing, and left it all to Ford and
> their GTs (I hope Banquer isn't listening -- he'll jump in here and
> make a real mess if he sees that).

Ford wanted a to win no matter the cost and he did.
LOL

--
John R. Carroll

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:16 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
news:S_WdndP5P8tnEF_WnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>> news:s4ydnVU1_6pb6l_WnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>> news:O9Kdne31CvMexl_WnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:BdCdnRD2xIaGyV_WnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:XcWdnXO2StrB1V_WnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> What I remember most about that car was that it was banned from
>>> racing <G>
>>
>> Jeez, you want to get me going again? <g> That was the Sucker Car,
>> which was banned at LeMans. The guy, or his engineering team (Hall
>> was an excellent engineer himself, by all accounts) came up with one
>> genius thing after another. The FIA finally got pushed over the edge
>> when he showed up with a car that had an "auxiliary" engine of 40 hp
>> that sucked the air out from under the car and slammed it down to the
>> track like a leech. d8-)
>
> I thought they had raced it somewhere snd kicked everyones ass.
> I did see one of the two(?) that were put together.
> Pretty cool looking and they ran it around the Tech Center track after
> lunch
> the day I was there.
> I think they toured the car to auto shows or something but I just don't
> remember.
>
>>
>> Hall got pissed, withdrew from racing, and left it all to Ford and
>> their GTs (I hope Banquer isn't listening -- he'll jump in here and
>> make a real mess if he sees that).
>
> Ford wanted a to win no matter the cost and he did.
> LOL
>
> --
> John R. Carroll

Jim Hall introduced so many innovations that I don't remember them all. I
saw his first winged cars at Watkins Glen, and we all stood there with our
jaws hanging down as they went around the track like they were on rails. We
didn't know then that they had automatic (2-speed) transmissions with
"super" torque converters -- Hall kept it a secret for quite a while.

He went on to flabbergast the Europeans, too. He had skirts, and air dams,
and all kinds of things. First they outlawed his movable wings. Then they
outlawed wings mounted on the suspension uprights (he may not have been the
originator of that one). Then they limited wing size, and, finally, they
outlawed his sucker car.

As for Ford, watch out -- JB may be lurking. d8-) Personally, I think Ford
almost ruined sports car racing. But their cars were brilliant and also
broke a lot of new ground.

--
Ed Huntress

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:35 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4bc29071$0$5007$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
> news:S_WdndP5P8tnEF_WnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>> news:s4ydnVU1_6pb6l_WnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>>> news:O9Kdne31CvMexl_WnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:BdCdnRD2xIaGyV_WnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:XcWdnXO2StrB1V_WnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> What I remember most about that car was that it was banned from
>>>> racing <G>
>>>
>>> Jeez, you want to get me going again? <g> That was the Sucker Car,
>>> which was banned at LeMans. The guy, or his engineering team (Hall
>>> was an excellent engineer himself, by all accounts) came up with one
>>> genius thing after another. The FIA finally got pushed over the edge
>>> when he showed up with a car that had an "auxiliary" engine of 40 hp
>>> that sucked the air out from under the car and slammed it down to the
>>> track like a leech. d8-)
>>
>> I thought they had raced it somewhere snd kicked everyones ass.
>> I did see one of the two(?) that were put together.
>> Pretty cool looking and they ran it around the Tech Center track after
>> lunch
>> the day I was there.
>> I think they toured the car to auto shows or something but I just don't
>> remember.
>>
>>>
>>> Hall got pissed, withdrew from racing, and left it all to Ford and
>>> their GTs (I hope Banquer isn't listening -- he'll jump in here and
>>> make a real mess if he sees that).
>>
>> Ford wanted a to win no matter the cost and he did.
>> LOL
>>
>> --
>> John R. Carroll
>
> Jim Hall introduced so many innovations that I don't remember them all. I
> saw his first winged cars at Watkins Glen, and we all stood there with our
> jaws hanging down as they went around the track like they were on rails.
> We didn't know then that they had automatic (2-speed) transmissions with
> "super" torque converters -- Hall kept it a secret for quite a while.
>
> He went on to flabbergast the Europeans, too. He had skirts, and air dams,
> and all kinds of things. First they outlawed his movable wings. Then they
> outlawed wings mounted on the suspension uprights (he may not have been
> the originator of that one). Then they limited wing size, and, finally,
> they outlawed his sucker car.
>
> As for Ford, watch out -- JB may be lurking. d8-) Personally, I think Ford
> almost ruined sports car racing. But their cars were brilliant and also
> broke a lot of new ground.
>

You'll be on your own, Ed.
I'm not a racing guy but I have heard the same thing from people that are
and do.

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TOPIC: US lacks expertise, China to build high speed rail in California
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/80a843cd1f531f5f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 6:58 pm
From: "Martin H. Eastburn"

I've been eating Chinese food and American Chinese food for over 60 years.
I started at 2 at the 'Dirty Duck' my name for the Black Swan on the road to
Vacaville Ca. from Suisun City. I was 2 at the time and was recovering from
being run over by a milk truck. Broken ribs - all of them. Tape city...

I'd walk in and they would fuss over me - knowing what I wanted before we
sat down. They brought me a bowl of green onions and the menus.

Those were fun days in a 2 door BLACK coup. Soon to be a Fire engine RED
station wagon!

We have Orange Chicken 2 to 4 times a month. Stir fry and what not as well.
Several other dishes are made since we like the feed.
I also like Japanese.

Martin

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:28:13 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
> <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:20:18 -0500, the renowned Ignoramus27467
>> <ignoramus27467@NOSPAM.27467.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-04-10, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:22:35 -0500, Ignoramus21954
>>>> <ignoramus21954@NOSPAM.21954.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> kind of shocking and sad. I have a feeling that they will not build
>>>>> anything due to the typical reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/business/global/08rail.html?src=me&ref=business
>>>>
>>>> Its interesting to know what happened the last time "chinese came to
>>>> America to build railroads"
>>> They built railtoads? What else happened?
>> Sweet and sour chicken balls and moo goo gai pan.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Chinese_cuisine
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Chinese_cuisine
>>
>
> YUMMMM!!!!
>> Best regards,
>> Spehro Pefhany
>
>
> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:21 pm
From: Lewis Hartswick

Ignoramus27467 wrote:
>
> I should refrain from posting under influence... I meant
> railroads... not railtoads
That kind of (adjacent key) error I don't mind at all
I do it all to often. :-)
...lew...

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:21 pm
From: Lewis Hartswick

Ignoramus27467 wrote:
> On 2010-04-11, Ignoramus27467 <ignoramus27467@NOSPAM.27467.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2010-04-10, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:22:35 -0500, Ignoramus21954
>>> <ignoramus21954@NOSPAM.21954.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> kind of shocking and sad. I have a feeling that they will not build
>>>> anything due to the typical reasons.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/business/global/08rail.html?src=me&ref=business
>>>
>>> Its interesting to know what happened the last time "chinese came to
>>> America to build railroads"
>> They built railtoads? What else happened?
>
> I should refrain from posting under influence... I meant
> railroads... not railtoads

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TOPIC: The Obama Economy
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:00 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
news:_badnaGKItU-61_WnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> RogerN wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>> news:e4adnbLIDNt9x1_WnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> dcaster@krl.org wrote:
>>>> On Apr 11, 6:22 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>>> The problem is everyone knows better except the right wing.
>>>>> But what do you expect from them. They think Sarah Palin would
>>>>> make a fine president. Just like they thought George Bush would.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hawke
>>>>
>>>> I do not know if I qualify as one of the right wing. Damn sure not
>>>> one of the left wing.
>>>> But I think that Sarah Palin will not ever be a candidate for any
>>>> national office. I think the right wing does not think that she is
>>>> electable, but they enjoy teasing the Democrats.
>>>
>>> You might see her as a VP candidate again but only if the top of the
>>> ticket
>>> needs to rally the base late to get out the vote.
>>> It certainly won't be because of her credentials, experience or
>>> qualifications.
>>>
>>
>> True she doesn't have a resume' to impress a liberal but she has more
>> character then all the liberals in the USA combined.
>>
>
> She's a character, that's for sure.

You beat me. d8-)

> Fey did Palin again this week on SNL. I have only seen a clip so far but
> it
> looked amusing.
>
> --
> John R. Carroll
>
>

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:17 pm
From: sittingduck

RogerN wrote:

> True she doesn't have a resume' to impress a liberal but she has more
> character then all the liberals in the USA combined.

Really?
Was it her quitting her post in Alaska?
The scandals and ethics complaints?
The lies she's told?
Her resume is typical right-wing hypocrite.

--
Rationality belongs to the cool observer, but because of the stupidity of the
average man, he follows not reason but faith - Reinhold Niebuhr

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:30 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
> news:_badnaGKItU-61_WnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> RogerN wrote:
>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>> news:e4adnbLIDNt9x1_WnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> dcaster@krl.org wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 11, 6:22 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>>>> The problem is everyone knows better except the right wing.
>>>>>> But what do you expect from them. They think Sarah Palin would
>>>>>> make a fine president. Just like they thought George Bush would.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hawke
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not know if I qualify as one of the right wing. Damn sure
>>>>> not one of the left wing.
>>>>> But I think that Sarah Palin will not ever be a candidate for any
>>>>> national office. I think the right wing does not think that she
>>>>> is electable, but they enjoy teasing the Democrats.
>>>>
>>>> You might see her as a VP candidate again but only if the top of
>>>> the ticket
>>>> needs to rally the base late to get out the vote.
>>>> It certainly won't be because of her credentials, experience or
>>>> qualifications.
>>>>
>>>
>>> True she doesn't have a resume' to impress a liberal but she has
>>> more character then all the liberals in the USA combined.
>>>
>>
>> She's a character, that's for sure.
>
> You beat me. d8-)

LOL
My printer was running a motion and the memorandum of points and
authorities, so I had a while.
One good thing about our conversations here Ed is that you reacquainted me
with the value of research.
I brushed up and can produce good research in large quantities on the spot.
I can only imagine what the process looked like before computers and the
internet.
LOL

--
John R. Carroll

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:54 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
news:bPmdnc6hqdYRGF_WnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>> news:_badnaGKItU-61_WnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> RogerN wrote:
>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>> news:e4adnbLIDNt9x1_WnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> dcaster@krl.org wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 11, 6:22 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> The problem is everyone knows better except the right wing.
>>>>>>> But what do you expect from them. They think Sarah Palin would
>>>>>>> make a fine president. Just like they thought George Bush would.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hawke
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not know if I qualify as one of the right wing. Damn sure
>>>>>> not one of the left wing.
>>>>>> But I think that Sarah Palin will not ever be a candidate for any
>>>>>> national office. I think the right wing does not think that she
>>>>>> is electable, but they enjoy teasing the Democrats.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might see her as a VP candidate again but only if the top of
>>>>> the ticket
>>>>> needs to rally the base late to get out the vote.
>>>>> It certainly won't be because of her credentials, experience or
>>>>> qualifications.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> True she doesn't have a resume' to impress a liberal but she has
>>>> more character then all the liberals in the USA combined.
>>>>
>>>
>>> She's a character, that's for sure.
>>
>> You beat me. d8-)
>
> LOL
> My printer was running a motion and the memorandum of points and
> authorities, so I had a while.
> One good thing about our conversations here Ed is that you reacquainted me
> with the value of research.
> I brushed up and can produce good research in large quantities on the
> spot.
> I can only imagine what the process looked like before computers and the
> internet.

Damn, then my work is done here. d8-)

Before the Internet I had to do a lot of this kind of research, too. It
sucked in a major way. I smelled like a library and my typing fingers were
flattened on the ends.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: 80 year old waterpump that still works
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:06 pm
From: "Pete C."

Ignoramus4694 wrote:
>
> On 2010-04-12, Wes <ClutchAtLycosDotCom@Gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ignoramus4694 <ignoramus4694@NOSPAM.4694.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>> Great looking pump! What make is the electric motor?
> >>
> >>Westinghouse is the motor brand.
> >>
> >>Amazingly, both Westinghouse and the original maker of the pump (McKay
> >>equipment), are still around.
> >>
> >>This pump was used by an "old lady" until her house was demolished.
> >>
> >
> > Why was her house demolished?
>
> No idea.
>
> > Next question, what caused you to find this pump and buy it?
>
> I bought it from a guy who was selling off his equipment. He had a
> huge hangar full of Stuff. He was in excavating business and is
> getting out. I bought this antique pump for $5 (and the ARO 4000 lbs
> pneumatic chain hoist for $35, and a huge Greymills parts washer for
> $40, and a Snapon YA212A MIG/TIG welder with tank for a undisclosed
> price, and more stuff).
>
> > Note: Lycos is dead so I set up a new gmail account for this group.
>
> I love gmail and moved most of my correspondence there. Gmail, google
> calendar, and google docs changed the way I live my life, literally.
>
> i

I avoid all things Google and do quite nicely. I see Google as the
world's largest source of all things SPAM (not just Google Groups).

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:12 pm
From: Ignoramus4694

On 2010-04-12, Ignoramus4694 <ignoramus4694@NOSPAM.4694.invalid> wrote:
> I bought it from a guy who was selling off his equipment. He had a
> huge hangar full of Stuff. He was in excavating business and is
> getting out. I bought this antique pump for $5 (and the ARO 4000 lbs
> pneumatic chain hoist for $35, and a huge Greymills parts washer for
> $40, and a Snapon YA212A MIG/TIG welder with tank for a undisclosed
> price, and more stuff).

Also a box with a four jaw chuck for Craftsman 12" lathe, steady rest
for same, dog drive plate for same, and a set of change gears for same
lathe, all for $10.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:13 pm
From: Ignoramus4694

On 2010-04-12, Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
>
>> I love gmail and moved most of my correspondence there. Gmail, google
>> calendar, and google docs changed the way I live my life, literally.
>
> I avoid all things Google and do quite nicely. I see Google as the
> world's largest source of all things SPAM (not just Google Groups).

Google pays me several K per month. Because of it, it has a special
place in my heart. But I am sure that you are missing a lot frmo not
using gmail, calendar and google docs.

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TOPIC: Flashlights, old style, hundreds of them...
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:08 pm
From: Dean Hoffman

terry wrote:

> Oh gee Artemus; you beat me to it!!!!
> Donate them to something, get a valid receipt from a registered
> charitable organisation (maybe the SA?) then claim a valid tax
> deduction. Even if the charitable org. had use (or sale) for only a
> few or even threw them out they wouldn't have to outlay any cash!
> Note to the OP .................... You are paying income taxes are
> you?

Pretty close to half the households in the U.S. don't pay income
taxes according to an article I read a few days ago.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:25 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:31:13 -0400, "Existential Angst"
<UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:

>"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:66e4s5tonuek0kfmjfkf8517svqbuc5ahr@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:53:20 -0400, "Existential Angst"
>> <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Awl --
>>>
>>>I'm warehousing (in my hovel) about 250+ carded bulb-style D-cell
>>>flashlights, all colors. They are carded without the D-cells (req. 2).
>>>
>>>What to do with these??
>>>
>>>They were originally intended as a part of some camping/survival pack, but
>>>I
>>>don't think too many people want to hump Dcells around, now that LEDs are
>>>common, and integrated into other utilities as well.
>>>
>>>I figger I got 3 options:
>>>
>>>1. throw'em out...
>>>2. Sell'em to 99c stores -- and if they don't take them, that's a sure
>>>sign
>>>they are worthless.
>>>3. Scavenge the bulbs? :) THEN throw'em out...
>>>or mebbe
>>>4. Freebies/incentives with other stuff I might be selling? But, if they
>>>are indeed useless....
>>>
>>>I sort of dread humping around to 99c stores.... is it worth a shot?
>>
>> How about putting them on Ebay? Two for a Dollar!!
>>
>> Now the next question is..what brand/style/type are they? I might be
>> interested in a dozen or so, if they are decent ones.
>
>Definitely not maglites, dats f'sure....
>
>Hmmmm... the card ackshooly has a website -- garritylites.com, in CT.
>
>Hmmmm..... HOLY SHIT.... THIS IS IT!!
>http://www.garritylites.com/page67.html
>
>I can't believe these things are still being sold!

I can't either - they are such CRAP.
I used to give them to my girls when they went to camp figuring they'd
just get lost anyway - and invariably they'd come home with them - not
working - and "Daddy, can you fix my flashlight?" In their eyes I
could fix anything - so it was a real letdown to them when I told them
they'd get new ones next year-----.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:34 pm
From: cavelamb <""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net">

On 4/11/2010 10:53 AM, Existential Angst wrote:
> Awl --
>
> I'm warehousing (in my hovel) about 250+ carded bulb-style D-cell
> flashlights, all colors. They are carded without the D-cells (req. 2).
>
> What to do with these??
>
> They were originally intended as a part of some camping/survival pack, but I
> don't think too many people want to hump Dcells around, now that LEDs are
> common, and integrated into other utilities as well.
>
> I figger I got 3 options:
>
> 1. throw'em out...
> 2. Sell'em to 99c stores -- and if they don't take them, that's a sure sign
> they are worthless.
> 3. Scavenge the bulbs? :) THEN throw'em out...
> or mebbe
> 4. Freebies/incentives with other stuff I might be selling? But, if they
> are indeed useless....
>
> I sort of dread humping around to 99c stores.... is it worth a shot?

There is a drop in LED bulb (about $9) that will work for most of them.
Then sell them for $20 as high tech retro LED flashlights?

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:38 pm
From: "Ed Pawlowski"

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hptf9r$cj9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> That's priceless. Mostly because it's so true.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
>
> "JR North" <junkjasonrnorth@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:vac4s5tik4508tckrd5t6ofqhc776nk6l8@4ax.com...
> Store your dead D cells in them. That's what they'er for...
> JR
> Dweller in the cellar
>
>
>

Old story.

The liars club had its annual meeting and everyone told tall tales some
rather long and innvolved. Last guy up simply says, "I have to adult
children and a flashlight at home and they all work".

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:43 pm
From: "Existential Angst"

"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
news:uqu4s5tmevmb2g7jekkos9e619fe85ul9j@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:31:13 -0400, the renowned "Existential Angst"
> <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>>"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:66e4s5tonuek0kfmjfkf8517svqbuc5ahr@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:53:20 -0400, "Existential Angst"
>>> <UNfitcat@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Awl --
>>>>
>>>>I'm warehousing (in my hovel) about 250+ carded bulb-style D-cell
>>>>flashlights, all colors. They are carded without the D-cells (req. 2).
>>>>
>>>>What to do with these??
>>>>
>>>>They were originally intended as a part of some camping/survival pack,
>>>>but
>>>>I
>>>>don't think too many people want to hump Dcells around, now that LEDs
>>>>are
>>>>common, and integrated into other utilities as well.
>>>>
>>>>I figger I got 3 options:
>>>>
>>>>1. throw'em out...
>>>>2. Sell'em to 99c stores -- and if they don't take them, that's a sure
>>>>sign
>>>>they are worthless.
>>>>3. Scavenge the bulbs? :) THEN throw'em out...
>>>>or mebbe
>>>>4. Freebies/incentives with other stuff I might be selling? But, if
>>>>they
>>>>are indeed useless....
>>>>
>>>>I sort of dread humping around to 99c stores.... is it worth a shot?
>>>
>>> How about putting them on Ebay? Two for a Dollar!!
>>>
>>> Now the next question is..what brand/style/type are they? I might be
>>> interested in a dozen or so, if they are decent ones.
>>
>>Definitely not maglites, dats f'sure....
>>
>>Hmmmm... the card ackshooly has a website -- garritylites.com, in CT.
>>
>>Hmmmm..... HOLY SHIT.... THIS IS IT!!
>>http://www.garritylites.com/page67.html
>>
>>I can't believe these things are still being sold!
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Garrity-V500GST12H-Value-Lite/dp/B000QRDQCQ/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1271036732&sr=8-6

Holy Shit!!!
I'M RICH..... I'M RICH!!!!

Oh, the Amazon link INCLUDES batteries.... hmmmm....
Now, I just need 500 D cells.... : :(

The cheapest you can get D cells seems to be a little under a buck each:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001PII882/ref=sr_1_3_olp?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1271039081&sr=1-3&condition=new

So that means the flashlight itself is about $1.50.

I'm surprised nonLED flashlights are being manufactured/sold at all.

A flashlight with 2 D cells is more like a club. Heh, in fact, mag lites
with 4+ D cells ARE used as clubs, by the poh-lice.
--
EA

>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany
> --
> "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
> speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers:
> http://www.trexon.com
> Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers:
> http://www.speff.com

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TOPIC: Pictures of this strange winch
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bcb1db957a52c6ae?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 7:38 pm
From: Ignoramus4694

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Winch/

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TOPIC: Who will be the first?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f434d5963fd21822?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:15 pm
From: Don Foreman

On 12 Apr 2010 01:08:34 GMT, "RAM�" <s31924.nospam@netscape.net>
wrote:

>> We will include you and your fair lady in our prayers, Don.
>
>As will we.

Thanks, guys!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:43 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote

> My Mary will be having heart surgery early next week. Caring for her
> will be job 1 for me.

You will be the first person in the world to be notified of my blog, which
has been in the works for weeks now:

www.cabgbypasssurgery.com

It is my story of my heart procedures, history, and surgery. I hope that
you might take a look at it, and hopefully get some helpful information.

Mary has one of THE most important things a heart surgery patient needs: a
competent caregiver who will be spending a lot of time with them during the
first few critical days.

God Bless.

The greatest thing anyone ever told me before surgery, either doctor or
patient was: "You're going to be amazed at how much better you feel." They
were right 2,000%.

It's a hell of a ride, and the good news is that it passes fast. I was
walking around less than five weeks later at 9500' elevation looking for
arrowheads. Before that, it took me six pit stops to get through the
grocery store.

All the best.

Ironic that when I started this thread, I never thought it would come full
circle ................

You're first.

Steve

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:45 pm
From: Don Foreman

On 12 Apr 2010 01:08:34 GMT, "RAM³" <s31924.nospam@netscape.net>
wrote:

>cavelamb <""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net"> wrote in
>news:vLmdnXcINe2J2F_WnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>
>> Wouldn't this be an interesting forum if we actually met each other and
>> our families? I'd bet there would be more kindly charitable discourse.
>>
>
>Don't bet the farm on it - I've seen what has happened when another NG's
>regulars (in the Pacific Northwest) started having regular get-togethers.
>
>Of course, a lot depends upon the individuals who actually show up.

Maybe most of the troublemakers wouldn't show up. It occurs to me
that a lot of the unpleasantness on this group comes from posters who
carefully conceal their identities, some using several pseudonyms from
time to time.

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TOPIC: Bad single phase motor? Diagnostic?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/195412cb1823f3a2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:23 pm
From: Ned Simmons

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:41:17 -0500, Ignoramus4694
<ignoramus4694@NOSPAM.4694.invalid> wrote:

>On 2010-04-11, dcaster@krl.org <dcaster@krl.org> wrote:
>>
>> Is it a 120/240 motor wired for 240?
>>
>
>Dan, I think that this is "it". It is likely a 110/220v motor, wired
>for 220v, that I tried to run from 110v. It runs, but does not have
>the power it ought to have. From HP, drum diameter, and RPM of the
>winch drum, I calculated the pulling force as 650 lbs, if friction
>losses in the worm are estimated at 10% of power. (ideal force would
>be 740 lbs).

The efficiency of worm reducers is related to the ratio. Best case, a
10:1 reducer will approach 90%; a 60:1 box will be closer to 65%.

>
>I am kind of surprised that this worm drive winch has a brake near the
>motor. I thought that worms cannot transmit power backwards. I can
>post pictures of it if anyone is interested. It does no look like a
>typical winch.

Rule of thumb is that anything above 40:1 is self locking. But you
can't count on it, especially if you're trying to stop an overhauling
load, or if there's vibration present.

--
Ned Simmons

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:27 pm
From: Ignoramus4694

On 2010-04-12, Ned Simmons <news@nedsim.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:41:17 -0500, Ignoramus4694
><ignoramus4694@NOSPAM.4694.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-04-11, dcaster@krl.org <dcaster@krl.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it a 120/240 motor wired for 240?
>>>
>>
>>Dan, I think that this is "it". It is likely a 110/220v motor, wired
>>for 220v, that I tried to run from 110v. It runs, but does not have
>>the power it ought to have. From HP, drum diameter, and RPM of the
>>winch drum, I calculated the pulling force as 650 lbs, if friction
>>losses in the worm are estimated at 10% of power. (ideal force would
>>be 740 lbs).
>
> The efficiency of worm reducers is related to the ratio. Best case, a
> 10:1 reducer will approach 90%; a 60:1 box will be closer to 65%.

It reduces 1800 RPM to 22 RPM (as measured by me with a stopwatch in
my cell phone). In other words, the ratio is 1:81. See

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Winch/

>>
>>I am kind of surprised that this worm drive winch has a brake near the
>>motor. I thought that worms cannot transmit power backwards. I can
>>post pictures of it if anyone is interested. It does no look like a
>>typical winch.
>
> Rule of thumb is that anything above 40:1 is self locking. But you
> can't count on it, especially if you're trying to stop an overhauling
> load, or if there's vibration present.
>

I see. Now I know why they disabled the brake with a steel wire.

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TOPIC: OT Responsible millionaires for higher taxes
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 8:46 pm
From: Ignoramus4694

On 2010-04-12, John <jdslocomb@invalid.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:34:43 -0700, Hawke
><davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
>>On 4/10/2010 5:08 PM, Buerste wrote:
>>> "John Husvar"<jhusvar@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:jhusvar-6F574E.09133510042010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
>>>> In article<K-WdnXwOvJZfXCLWnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> Ignoramus21954<ignoramus21954@NOSPAM.21954.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/meet-the-millionaires-who-want-to-pay-higher-
>>>>> taxes-2010-04-09
>>>>>
>>>>> I certainly share their sentiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taxes should reflect expenses. Look what is happening in Greece, who
>>>>> thought otherwise. Low taxes are a gimmick, since debts cannot grow to
>>>>> the sky, eventually something will have to be done.
>>>>>
>>>>> i
>>>>
>>>> I vaguely remember reading an article that said if somehow the all the
>>>> money the richest people had was redistributed evenly among the
>>>> population of the country, the yield to each person would be
>>>> surprisingly small. Does anybody have any clearer memory of that? Didn't
>>>> get anywhere with Google so far.
>>>
>>> I remember reading that if all the present wealth was redistributed evenly,
>>> it would all be back in the hands of the original owners in a few years.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>No. That's a fallacy. If the wealth were actually redistributed evenly
>>it probably would wind up in the hands of a small group of people again
>>and most people would be back to having little or nothing. The
>>difference is that the money would not go back to those who were the
>>original owners. They are just as likely to wind up with nothing as
>>anyone else. But the rich would like you to believe they have something
>>you don't that would allow them to become rich again. They don't.
>
> I think you are wrong, if you are talking about individuals and not
> corporations.

I think that Hawke meant people such as heirs.

> I have known four individuals that went from extremely low sums to
> $1,000,000 in surprisingly short periods and they certainly have
> "something" that the average individual doesn't - the almost psychotic
> desire to make money. One guy, a Sgt. in the Airforce, in Japan,
> started with $100 and was worth a million some four years later. And
> this is not hearsay either.

I would love to know how he did it, and whether he ever ran a risk of
"losing everything".

> The average guy, come to town, heard hundred dollar bills were just
> laying in the streets and sees a nickel there on the sidewalk just
> walks right on by. The guy that's gonna get rich picks it up.

Yep. I always pick up pennies.

> Sure, there is a little humor there but it is true enough - those guys
> think about how to make money ALL the time and never miss a chance to
> make even a penny. the average bloke is really more interested in the
> weekend ball game, fishing trip, whatever.
> Cheers,

The book to read is _Millionaire next door_. It is very great.

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