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* Bear Spray? For manageing unruly Bruins? was Just One Use items - 3 messages,
2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/609e016466adc86d?hl=en
* Fire the lazy bastards - 3 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/96ee8cae9e4eac6b?hl=en
* Buretting a very small volume. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/18dc2527a8a06e7b?hl=en
* Almost Alice - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5e2f1cc6cf0f2658?hl=en
* DIY Two-Stroke Engine - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bcf5d37475198771?hl=en
* Magnets - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fd312a0cf0275bfb?hl=en
* Bibles Wanted ! - 6 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f2e06ad69080532c?hl=en
* Alternatives to LPS-2 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c986024af47a68d0?hl=en
* The work of the gods is never done - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bde09647478bb748?hl=en
* I was almost impounded, laptop saved me - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/22b99ed7799b84db?hl=en
* Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/30a39cd522bcf038?hl=en

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TOPIC: Bear Spray? For manageing unruly Bruins? was Just One Use items
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/609e016466adc86d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 11:44 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:01:34 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on or
>about Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:55:50 -0800 did write/type or cause to
>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:26:45 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on or
>>>about Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:36:54 -0800 did write/type or cause to
>>>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>>On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:09:25 -0800 (PST), stans4@prolynx.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mar 8, 8:26 am, Jim Wilkins <kb1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mar 8, 9:51 am, "Stormin Mormon"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > ...
>>>>>> > bear spray when hiking
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> > Christopher A. Young
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's in the bear spray, napalm?
>>>>>
>>>>>AKA bear repellant, AKA pepper spray, it burns without combustion.
>>>>>There have supposedly been instances where noobs have applied it like
>>>>>mosquito repellant. I prefer units with a heavy lead content, myself,
>>>>>say 10mm to 12 ga. In some states you can get bear repellant where
>>>>>pepper spray is outlawed. Same cans, different lettering.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And the Bear Spray tends to shoot farther and with more volume, then
>>>>small cans of "pepper spray"
>>>>
>>>>There are a couple advances of pepperspray over bullets
>>>>1. Doesnt harm the animal
>>>>2.Tends to temporarily blind them so they cant see you to attack.
>>>>
>>>>On the other hand...#2 is really really Iffy.....
>>>
>>> Just make sure you're up wind of the critter. Less chance of
>>>'blow back'.
>>>>
>>>>Carry a caliber suitable to stop the attack, and use pepper spray as
>>>>your first line of defense..but be also prepared to quickly switch to
>>>>the caliber you chose if the spray doesnt fend off the attack.
>>>
>>> "Attention campers. The correct answer to 'What do you do when
>>>faced with abear in the wild?' is not 'Butter up the fat kid and push
>>>him in front!'!"
>>
>>Depends on ones relations with ones children. Id have slavered meat
>>sauce and put some fresh uncooked steaks in my sons shirt pocket if we
>>had been anyplace there were bears of any note.
>>
> Well, they're you're kids, so "You brung 'em in, you can take 'em
>out."
>
>http://www.rhjunior.com/CC/00055.html
>
>That's Charles in the hammock. He's a Counselor at a Summer Camp...
>and used to go there when he was a kid. He's the sort of counselor
>that the kids love, but the parents can't stand.
> What makes the "experience" so much fun is that the Camp is now
>sponsored by the ASPCA, PETA, The American Academy of Child and
>Adolescent Psychiatry, and Greenpeace." In other words, not a single
>group which knows beans about Nature, true Native American History, or
>children under the age of 24.
> I think you'll like it.
>
>
>
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Buttered fatassses, meat sauce and uncooked steaks are way far yonder
behind bacon grease as bear bait.

Justice is a sex offender lashed to a tree in the northwoods,
liberally smeared with bacon grease, perhaps not far from the
sex-offender prison (with color TV) in Moose Lake he dodged by legal
chicanary. The prison is full but the northwoods is capacious.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 12:45 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:01:34 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

Bookmarked!!

Gunner

>
>
>
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 2:41 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:45:58 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:01:34 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on or
>>about Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:55:50 -0800 did write/type or cause to
>>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:26:45 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on or
>>>>about Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:36:54 -0800 did write/type or cause to
>>>>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>>>On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:09:25 -0800 (PST), stans4@prolynx.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mar 8, 8:26 am, Jim Wilkins <kb1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 9:51 am, "Stormin Mormon"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > ...
>>>>>>> > bear spray when hiking
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> > Christopher A. Young
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's in the bear spray, napalm?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>AKA bear repellant, AKA pepper spray, it burns without combustion.
>>>>>>There have supposedly been instances where noobs have applied it like
>>>>>>mosquito repellant. I prefer units with a heavy lead content, myself,
>>>>>>say 10mm to 12 ga. In some states you can get bear repellant where
>>>>>>pepper spray is outlawed. Same cans, different lettering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And the Bear Spray tends to shoot farther and with more volume, then
>>>>>small cans of "pepper spray"
>>>>>
>>>>>There are a couple advances of pepperspray over bullets
>>>>>1. Doesnt harm the animal
>>>>>2.Tends to temporarily blind them so they cant see you to attack.
>>>>>
>>>>>On the other hand...#2 is really really Iffy.....
>>>>
>>>> Just make sure you're up wind of the critter. Less chance of
>>>>'blow back'.
>>>>>
>>>>>Carry a caliber suitable to stop the attack, and use pepper spray as
>>>>>your first line of defense..but be also prepared to quickly switch to
>>>>>the caliber you chose if the spray doesnt fend off the attack.
>>>>
>>>> "Attention campers. The correct answer to 'What do you do when
>>>>faced with abear in the wild?' is not 'Butter up the fat kid and push
>>>>him in front!'!"
>>>
>>>Depends on ones relations with ones children. Id have slavered meat
>>>sauce and put some fresh uncooked steaks in my sons shirt pocket if we
>>>had been anyplace there were bears of any note.
>>>
>> Well, they're you're kids, so "You brung 'em in, you can take 'em
>>out."
>>
>>http://www.rhjunior.com/CC/00055.html
>>
>>That's Charles in the hammock. He's a Counselor at a Summer Camp...
>>and used to go there when he was a kid. He's the sort of counselor
>>that the kids love, but the parents can't stand.
>> What makes the "experience" so much fun is that the Camp is now
>>sponsored by the ASPCA, PETA, The American Academy of Child and
>>Adolescent Psychiatry, and Greenpeace." In other words, not a single
>>group which knows beans about Nature, true Native American History, or
>>children under the age of 24.
>> I think you'll like it.
>
>Bookmarked!!
>
>Gunner

Marvelous cartoon! I just read em start to finish. Funny as hell and
accurate.

Had me laughing hysterically in a number of places.

Gunner, one time camp counseler

>
>>
>>
>>
>>-
>>pyotr filipivich
>>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
>
>
>"First Law of Leftist Debate
>The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
>that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
>more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
>losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
>homophobe approaches infinity.
>
>This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
>race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
>the subject." Grey Ghost

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Fire the lazy bastards
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/96ee8cae9e4eac6b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 12:25 am
From: "Harold & Susan Vordos"

"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:HJmdnVdubLvigQnWnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Not really. Under full load, a typical RCM motor will pull 1500 watts +/-
Maybe I don't know what a "typical RCM motor" is, but to that I say
nonsense. If a 1 horse motor is run AT CAPACITY, it draws roughly 746
watts. If it's drawing higher wattage, it's not running at capacity, but
over capacity. That's not what we're talking about.

>But the only motors that pull that kind of power CONTINUOUSLY are pumps and
>compressors.

Rather bold statement, isn't it? Any motor that is running at capacity,
doing the work it is intended to do, is drawing its rated amperage.

> Table saw, drill press, mill, etc etc draw a lot of power but the high
> loads are short and the use is intermittent.

Unless they are being worked over their rated capacity, they do not draw
more than their rated wattage, although when the load is lower than the
capability, they do draw less amperage, thus lower wattage. I do agree with
that.
>
> In contrast, an electric dryer would pull 5kw for the entire dry cycle

That has nothing to do with the motor-----and everything to do with the
heating element. The motor is likely no larger than 1/3 horse, if that,
and consumes only a couple amps at best. Further, a dryer does NOT consume
that level of power for its entire cycle. Most dryers have a cool down
period, where only the motor operates. Couple amps, tops, and not even that
if the motor operates @ 240 volts.

> and an A/c unit a similar amount for all the time the compressor is
> running.

Yep----but it draws to its design limits, not more. That, of course, is
not true when the motor is starting, at which time it may well draw five
times its rated capacity, but only briefly. Otherwise it would overheat
and stop. It's not magic, and it's not the luck of the draw. These
things are well known and engineered.

Harold

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 12:31 am
From: "Harold & Susan Vordos"

"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
news:87jap5lcqrq83n5os4uv15l6vmljhnts18@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:08:11 -0800, Jim Stewart <jstewart@jkmicro.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Harold & Susan Vordos wrote:
>>
>>> You can safely assume that a horsepower equals only 746 watts.
>>
>>If it's a Craftsman horsepower, it's a lot less than that (:
>
> I thought the CHP rating was measured by blocking the rotor from
> turning, applying line voltage and measuring the peak watts before the
> fuse/motor blew... maybe in an extra cold room with line voltage on
> the high side.
>

I believe you are correct in your assessment. They generally rate by locked
rotor amperage, which is totally useless to the consumer.

Sears has, for years, used shady methods of advertising machinery,
compressors included.

I have a theory relating to Sears. Read what they say, then assume 1/4 of
the advertised power. That *might* get you close.

Harold

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 12:31 am
From: "Harold & Susan Vordos"

"Jim Stewart" <jstewart@jkmicro.com> wrote in message
news:hn3hun$qkn$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Harold & Susan Vordos wrote:
>
>> You can safely assume that a horsepower equals only 746 watts.
>
> If it's a Craftsman horsepower, it's a lot less than that (:

Chuckle!

All too true.

I own one of those more than 2 horse radial arm saws, from Sears. I'd be
shocked if it developed more than 1 horse.

Shocked, I say! :-)

Harold

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TOPIC: Buretting a very small volume.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/18dc2527a8a06e7b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 1:36 am
From: "T.Alan Kraus"

Tim Wescott wrote:
> I want to CC a few Cox 049 heads, but none of them are going to contain
> more than a fraction of a CC of volume.
>
> Anyone know how to do this when the volume to be measured isn't that
> much larger than the volume in a drop of light oil? I'm thinking maybe
> a small syringe, complete with needle, filled with mineral spirits,
> really really light oil, or rubbing alcohol.
>
> But I'm open to suggestions.
>
how about using plain soapy water to reduce surface tension and weighing
it with a apothecary or reloading scale?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 4:33 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 9, 12:06 am, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
> I want to CC a few Cox 049 heads, but none of them are going to contain
> more than a fraction of a CC of volume.
...
> Tim Wescott

I'd try a brazing rod piston and a cylinder of telescoping brass
tubing, with a blob of RTV to seal the piston. Neck down the end of
the piston so the RTV will stay in place while you suck the fluid into
the cylinder. Determine the volume from the length the piston extends
out the back.

How will you know that the compressed volume is filled accurately
without the glow plug in place?

If it's worth the effort you might turn a dummy glow plug with a hole
through the middle. Then among other ways you could compress a drop of
expanding foam to make an accurate chamber casting. If you use Wood's
metal you could weigh it.

jsw

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TOPIC: Almost Alice
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5e2f1cc6cf0f2658?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 2:23 am
From: Gunner Asch

Not bad..not bad at all....

http://www.youtube.com/user/hollywoodrecords#p/a/u/1/sUsyF8E2qd4

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: DIY Two-Stroke Engine
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bcf5d37475198771?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 4:36 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 8, 11:55 pm, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
> ...
> >www.deltahawk.com

> That link redirects to a poster site.
> Tim Wescott

http://www.deltahawkengines.com/

Any day now.....

jsw

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TOPIC: Magnets
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fd312a0cf0275bfb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:03 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 9, 2:33 am, Ignoramus8009 <ignoramus8...@NOSPAM.8009.invalid>
wrote:
> On 2010-03-09, Henry <ohe...@razbanyisiatibenefuchi.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have a good source for some really tiny, but powerful magnets,
> > preferably all weather type?
>
> http://ef.algebra.com/

Thanks. I have bookmarked it.

What I would like is a way to search multiple categories for
everything that is close to me. I used to search " business and
industrial " with nothing in the search term box. This let me see
interesting things close to me that I might want and not pay any
shipping. It would have been better if I could have picked only some
of the categories in business and industrial.

But Ebay " improved " things so that no longer works at the " business
and industrial " level. It will work on say " manufacturing and
metalworking " , but then I do not see things under " Electrical and
Test Equipment ".

Dan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:28 am
From: Ignoramus17831

On 2010-03-09, dcaster@krl.org <dcaster@krl.org> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 2:33?am, Ignoramus8009 <ignoramus8...@NOSPAM.8009.invalid>
> wrote:
>> On 2010-03-09, Henry <ohe...@razbanyisiatibenefuchi.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Does anyone have a good source for some really tiny, but powerful magnets,
>> > preferably all weather type?
>>
>> http://ef.algebra.com/
>
> Thanks. I have bookmarked it.
>
> What I would like is a way to search multiple categories for
> everything that is close to me. I used to search " business and
> industrial " with nothing in the search term box. This let me see
> interesting things close to me that I might want and not pay any
> shipping. It would have been better if I could have picked only some
> of the categories in business and industrial.
>
> But Ebay " improved " things so that no longer works at the " business
> and industrial " level. It will work on say " manufacturing and
> metalworking " , but then I do not see things under " Electrical and
> Test Equipment ".

I used to do the exact same thing, and cannot do so anymore due to
ebay changes.

Since there is one more person in the same boat, maybe I can write a
perl script to find results in multilpe subcategories and merge
them. It would be a webpage. Let me know if you would be using it,
then I will write it.

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TOPIC: Bibles Wanted !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f2e06ad69080532c?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:07 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:02:04 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
puked:

>On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:07:03 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:42:32 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>puked:
>>
>>>On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:39:08 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:21:44 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>puked:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:37:28 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:45:12 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:18:00 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:44:33 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:13:08 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:01:50 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:12:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:16:11 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:37:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:55:06 -0500, Cliff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/02/national/main6260070.shtml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ya know, as an atheist, I really wonder what this group is thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>about. The whole point of being an atheist is distancing yourself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from a group of sheep that believe the same thing, but these assholes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>seem to be inserting themselves in the community to interfere with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>those sheep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They would be the first ones bitching if xtian groups were out there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>condemning atheists and ridiculing their beliefs, yet there they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prosthelytizing every bit as much as a fucking Jehovah's Witness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>standing on your porch Saturday morning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>As I've pointed out atheists are as wrong as theists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>In what regard?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Atheism is commonly defined as the position that there are no deities
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You can't prove there is no god anymore than a theist can prove there
>>>>>>>>>>>is one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And furthermore, you can't prove one is more wrong than the other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Go back and look at what I said. I said they are both just as wrong as
>>>>>>>>>the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I saw what you said. I still say you're wrong. It's a logical
>>>>>>>>fallacy to claim that's an absolute. If there WERE a god, and that
>>>>>>>>god was as described by a set religion, then that religion would be
>>>>>>>>LESS wrong than atheism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"IF" doesn't cut it. Try again using absolutes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You're clearly agnostic as you believe that neither can ever be proven
>>>>>>>>or explained, but your agnostic belief is just as capable of being
>>>>>>>>wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And wrong again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And the statement you should have said was:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Both (atheism) and (christianity) are CAPABLE of being just as wrong
>>>>>>>>as the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And wrong again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>But that being said, stories in the bible can be proven to be false.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And some have some historical references that can be proven.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Clearly. I'm referring more to the magical miracle part that makes
>>>>>>>>the bible a religious book.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nah..makes it a fairy tale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm not sure what we are arguing about here. You think that atheism
>>>>>>and christianity are equally wrong in what way?
>>>>>
>>>>>They both claim to have the answer. Neither can prove it.
>>>>
>>>>That isn't true. Atheism isn't believing in god. It has nothing to
>>>>do with providing answers. I don't pretend to have the answers
>>>>because to be perfectly honest, I don't know what the questions are...
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
>>>Atheism is commonly defined as the position that there are no deities
>>>
>>>That can't be proved any more than the existence of deities.
>>>
>>>Both are equally as wrong.
>>
>>You don't know that to be true. Again, to be logically consistent,
>>this is the phrase:
>>
>>>>>>>"Both (atheism) and (christianity) are CAPABLE of being just as wrong
>>>>>>>as the other.
>
>No. Both are just as wrong as neither can be proved with 100%
>certainty.

For something to be wrong, it has to be incorrect, not unprovable.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:11 am
From: "lab~rat >:-)"

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:58:54 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
puked:

>On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:09:04 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:43:54 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>puked:
>>
>>>On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:42:27 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:05:48 -0500, Cliff
>>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>>
>>>>>>They would be the first ones bitching if xtian groups were out there
>>>>>>condemning atheists and ridiculing their beliefs,
>>>>>
>>>>> Like they always do, right?
>>>>
>>>>"They"? That's presuming that atheists are a homogenized group that
>>>>follow a common belief. Most atheist don't belong to an organized
>>>>group and think all of the religious BS is for other people and aren't
>>>>particularly fazed by it.
>>>>
>>>>It seems like the people that get upset about the 10 commandments, or
>>>>xmas in the mall or whatever actually belong to some type of religion
>>>>that takes exception to it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Agreed on your last point. The christmas celebrations and 10
>>>commandments don't bother me in the least EXCEPT in schools or on
>>>public property.
>>
>>What do you find objectionable about xmas celebrations? I'm referring
>>to the reindeer and tree and elves type, not the savior stuff.
>
>I was talking about the religious paraphernalia.

I really view that shit as the same as elves and reindeer, but less
fun. I understand why people don't want to be subjected to other
people's religion because religious people don't want to hear about
how I feel there's no god.

People say that you shouldn't discuss religion and politics, and I
know why, but I find myself completely at home ragging on someone's
politics while I am reluctant to do the same with their religion.
Funny, that.

>
>>As for
>>the ten commandments, they don't bother me either. I think of them as
>>something for other people to abide by. I pretty much follow them
>>except for the coveting and false idol thing.
>
>And we leave the lying to the christians ; )

--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:33 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:35:47 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:00 -0500, Cliff
><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:16:11 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:37:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:55:06 -0500, Cliff
>>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/02/national/main6260070.shtml
>>>>
>>>>Ya know, as an atheist, I really wonder what this group is thinking
>>>>about. The whole point of being an atheist is distancing yourself
>>>>from a group of sheep that believe the same thing, but these assholes
>>>>seem to be inserting themselves in the community to interfere with
>>>>those sheep.
>>>>
>>>>They would be the first ones bitching if xtian groups were out there
>>>>condemning atheists and ridiculing their beliefs, yet there they are
>>>>prosthelytizing every bit as much as a fucking Jehovah's Witness
>>>>standing on your porch Saturday morning.
>>>
>>>As I've pointed out atheists are as wrong as theists.
>>
>> How can one be wrong to point out that you need no cause
>>to not have an effect?
>> No cause is needed when there is no effect.
>
>Put down the joint NOW.

LOL
--
Cliff

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:36 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:42:27 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:05:48 -0500, Cliff
><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>
>>>They would be the first ones bitching if xtian groups were out there
>>>condemning atheists and ridiculing their beliefs,
>>
>> Like they always do, right?
>
>"They"?

The fundies.

>That's presuming that atheists are a homogenized group that
>follow a common belief. Most atheist don't belong to an organized
>group and think all of the religious BS is for other people and aren't
>particularly fazed by it.
>
>It seems like the people that get upset about the 10 commandments, or
>xmas in the mall or whatever actually belong to some type of religion
>that takes exception to it.

All of which is about forcing one religion on others.
It's a sales pitch.

Too bad the tooth fairy was so cheap.
--
Cliff

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:38 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:09:04 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:

> As for
>the ten commandments, they don't bother me either. I think of them as
>something for other people to abide by.

Only others? Which othesr? How to enforce the creed ..... ? Guns?
hangings? Hot tar?
One could use ethics instead.
--
Cliff

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:50 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:11:04 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote:

>I really view that shit as the same as elves and reindeer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reindeer
"The reindeer (Rangifer tarandus), also known as the caribou when wild in
North America, is an Arctic and Subarctic-dwelling deer, widespread and numerous
across the Arctic and Subarctic."

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnb6brN_ZoIO0do_FNJ7lGOMM6idHa66-jL8ic4BPi2Ww3kYYYRz8PxxKAaZcJ-UywteyG-qW_T3183dve42JnhfFhZXjeRiF2XozW9C3XOTi4Ncq-qPWHTHKJ_CGwa5916XeFASs6EhM/s400/caribou+barbie.jpg
http://www.bartcop.com/caribou-barbie.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/A/d/2/sarah-palin-caribou-barbie.jpg

Caribou Barbie : http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=caribou+barbie
[
AKA Sarah Palin, redneck hicktown mayor who became Alaska governor and now is a
wannabe Vice Prez selection of John McCain. She criticizes Barack Obama for not
being an in-bred, incestuous, goat fucking, moonshine-guzzling,
trailerpark-dwelling,NASCAR-mongering, Confederate flag waving redneck hick, and
for starting out as a community organizer on the mean streets of Southside
Chicago.
As a Christian fundamentalist, who considers herself "morally superior" to
liberals and who demonizes teen moms and pre-marital sex, she opposes sex
education in public classrooms and has cut funding to a shelter for homeless
pregnant teenage moms, even though her own teenage daughter Bristol is knocked
up (and about to enter a shotgun wedding with the embryo's father), thereby
earning Palin the title of Hypocrite of the Year, Every Year.
"Did you hear Caribou Barbie talking trash about Obama and the liberals' lack of
family values?"
"Yeah, what a hypocrite!"
]
[
Nickname for Sarah Palin, current governor of Alaska. Term is used as a
pejorative that puts good looks and her Alaskan background over any experience
at the national level.
Single males will be disappointed that Caribou Barbie is not in season.
]
[
Sarah Palin, Mooselini, Republican VP Candidate
Caribou Barbie is the lipstick, not the pig.
]
....
[
A nasty looking ho.
She came straight outta bed lookin' all Caribou Barbie and shit.
]

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:15 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Mar 9, 1:44 am, Larry Jaques <ljaq...@diversify.invalid> wrote:

> >I get very forgetful with waxing the surfaces. No rust so far. I suspect the
> >wax is a placebo.
>
> No, I had acid fingerprints in rust on my planes before learning to
> wax 'em. I haven't seen one since.
>
>
Wax works. I understand that Cosmoline is microcrystalline wax and
oil.

Dan

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:18 am
From: Cliff

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/08/AR2010030801578.html?hpid=moreheadlines

"utterly distasteful"

"deaths of American soldiers are punishment for the nation's tolerance of
homosexuality"

"God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11"

"Semper Fi Fags"

"Thank God for Dead Soldiers"

"Priests Rape Boys."

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:27 am
From: Cliff

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:18:51 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/08/AR2010030801578.html?hpid=moreheadlines
>
> "utterly distasteful"
>
> "deaths of American soldiers are punishment for the nation's tolerance of
>homosexuality"
>
> "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11"
>
> "Semper Fi Fags"
>
> "Thank God for Dead Soldiers"
>
> "Priests Rape Boys."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hqQCVrCVD0SydBszbOAX2-y24osQD9EAQKG00
"Ore. faith healers get 16 months for son's death"
[
The judge who sentenced an Oregon couple to prison Monday for the death of their
son says members of their church must quit relying on faith healing when their
children's lives are at stake.

"The fact is, too many children have died unnecessarily — a graveyard full,"
Judge Steven Maurer said. "This has to stop."
....
The Beagleys were earlier convicted of criminally negligent homicide in the June
2008 death of their 16-year-old son, Neil, of complications from a congenital
urinary tract blockage. The condition normally is easily treated.

Members of their church avoid most medical care and instead rely on rituals such
as anointing sick people with oil and laying hands on them.
....
The church's small cemetery near the end of the Oregon Trail includes row after
row of headstones marking the graves of children.
....
]

Xtian & fundie birth control.
--
Cliff

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:29 am
From: mike

Wes wrote:
> mike <mlightner@survivormail.com> wrote:
>
> >I'll have to give that a try, thanks. Any caveats about Flash
> >delivering unwanted stuff or malicious files?
>
> There have been patches to flash and shockwave issued quiet often. Keep your system
> patched.
>
> I use the Flashblock add in with firefox so most flash never gets executed on my pc. Btw,
> DownloadHelper seems to work fine with Flashblock.
>
> In the meantime, I downloaded the larger MP4 version 135MB w/o any problems.
>
> Wes

All right, thanks for the pointers, got some more reading to do now.

Mike

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:31 am
From: mike

Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Mine played through. You can log onto www.savetube.com if I
> remembered the URL. And download it to file. FLV or some
> other format. Bring it home on flash drive.
>
I'll have to give that a look, thanks.

Mike

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:29 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:16:41 -0600, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote:

>
>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>news:39gap55dbtk1218romop8oq4tj3oirlhd5@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:38:54 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
>> (Gray
>> Ghost) wrote:
>>
>>>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in news:H-
>>>WdnS18QrSeeA_WnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>>
>>>> For one thing, I'm not all that anti-abortion. It is mostly the
>>>> Liberals
>>>> that believe in abortion and I have trouble believing liberals shouldn't
>>>> have been aborted.
>>>
>>>Hmm, maybe I should grow and change my beliefs, too. I can think that
>>>abortion
>>>is OK but only for grown liberals who want to abort preborn humans.
>>
>> Neither of you want women to have rights.
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Why do you think a woman should have so many rights but a man should have
>none?

Are you preggers again?
Is Palin?

>RogerN
--
Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:31 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:12:55 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray
Ghost) wrote:

>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in news:GIGdnR3jbb05IAjWnZ2dnUVZ_j-
>dnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>
>>
>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>> news:39gap55dbtk1218romop8oq4tj3oirlhd5@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:38:54 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
>>> (Gray
>>> Ghost) wrote:
>>>
>>>>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in news:H-
>>>>WdnS18QrSeeA_WnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>>>
>>>>> For one thing, I'm not all that anti-abortion. It is mostly the
>>>>> Liberals
>>>>> that believe in abortion and I have trouble believing liberals shouldn't
>>>>> have been aborted.
>>>>
>>>>Hmm, maybe I should grow and change my beliefs, too. I can think that
>>>>abortion is OK but only for grown liberals who want to abort preborn
>>>>humans.
>>>
>>> Neither of you want women to have rights.
>>> --
>>> Cliff
>>
>> Why do you think a woman should have so many rights but a man should have
>> none?
>>
>> RogerN
>
>You are assuming he thinks. Read what he posted. Goat shit is smarter than he
>is. He's a typical asswipe. He can't say anything really intellignet so he
>just paints with the broadest brush he can pick up and hopes for the best.
>
>They call him Cliff 'cuz he keeps falling off one. And landing on his head.
>One of the lesser entertaining morons who posts.

You have a bad case of PMS.
Take a pill.
--
Cliff

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