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TOPIC: Almost Alice
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:12 pm
From: Wes

Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>Not bad..not bad at all....
>
>http://www.youtube.com/user/hollywoodrecords#p/a/u/1/sUsyF8E2qd4

Sorry bud, she is trying but she just isn't in Grace Slicks league. I had to bail at the
halfway point. Not as a bad as Aerosmiths rendition of "Come Together" though.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:25 pm
From: Wes

RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote:

>Or maybe we're just tuning out the new stuff as "noise" and only hearing
>what we recognize as Real Music <G>

At work we have a lot of younger types that tend to play stuff that I have on vinyl. Even
those youngsters know that todays music doesn't measure up. Most tend to play a majority
of stuff from the 60's and 70's. Outside of country where I'll take a liking to a new
song, I can't think of a rock song written recently that I like.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:11 pm
From: "Steve B"

"Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote

Outside of country where I'll take a liking to a new
> song, I can't think of a rock song written recently that I like.
>
> Wes

There's been some new rock written lately?

Steve

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:25 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Wes" <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:xyCln.193729$Hq1.135600@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
> RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Or maybe we're just tuning out the new stuff as "noise" and only hearing
>>what we recognize as Real Music <G>
>
> At work we have a lot of younger types that tend to play stuff that I have
> on vinyl. Even
> those youngsters know that todays music doesn't measure up. Most tend to
> play a majority
> of stuff from the 60's and 70's. Outside of country where I'll take a
> liking to a new
> song, I can't think of a rock song written recently that I like.
>
> Wes

Uh, Wes, how many new rock songs do you listen to? The heavily-produced
stuff that makes it on major radio stations is pretty junky, I agree, but
with a 22-year-old son, I find the CD player in my car full of indie rock
when he goes back to school. Some of it is really good. You won't hear it on
the radio, unless you're within range of a major university FM station.

That band that Gunner pointed to, Grace Potter and the Nocturnals, is a
Boston-area band -- very professional, very hot. I disagree about her and
the band, in relation to Grace Slick and the Jefferson Airplane. The
Nocturnals are better musicians than the Airplane, and Potter's cover of
Grace Slick's version, IMO, is every bit as good (They could use a Marty
Balin, though). Slick was one of those rare, real contralto women; you won't
find many of them around (Stevie Nicks was another one), but I thought
Potter did a really good job with that song, even though she can't quite
reach down to the bottom of Grace Slick's range.

I'm trying not to listen to anything older than two or three years for a
while, just to tune in to it. I was getting to be a big White Stripes fan
but my son rolled his eyes and told me I was living in the past. <g> Get up
to date with Dirty Projectors, Xiu Xiu, Band of Horses, and Death Cab for
Cutie. Brooklyn indie rock is hot. Don't become an old fart before your
time. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Question about tunnel digging...
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:28 pm
From: "Phil Kangas"

"Bob Engelhardt" <> wrote in message
> Ecnerwal wrote:
>> _Elementary_Surveying_. An accurate transfer of direction
>> and level into the hole, checked several ways - no
>> periscopes involved. If you handle "dry" material well,
>> check out a copy of Breed and Hosmer. Mine (8th ed.)
>> dates from the 1950's, the content may not have changed
>> since 1931.
>>
>> Underground Surveying is covered in articles 355-380.
>> There is also an extensive list of references for more
>> detail at the end of article 380.
> ...
>
> Well, that's a lot of help <G>. If I didn't want to buy a
> copy (and there's no way our library has it), could you
> give a very brief summary of a common technique?
>
> If I had to do it, without knowing any surveying & without
> buying a book, I'd drop a plumb line from 2 points at the
> top, to get a line at the bottom that had the same
> bearing.
>
> Bob

This looks like a good time to mention the Tamarack Mines
mystery once again. Check out this link:
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/tamarack.htm

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:09 pm
From: "Phil Kangas"

"Phil Kangas" <> wrote in message>
> "Bob Engelhardt" <> wrote in message
>> Ecnerwal wrote:
>>> _Elementary_Surveying_. An accurate transfer of
>>> direction and level into the hole, checked several
>>> ways - no periscopes involved. If you handle "dry"
>>> material well, check out a copy of Breed and Hosmer.
>>> Mine (8th ed.) dates from the 1950's, the content may
>>> not have changed since 1931.
>>>
>>> Underground Surveying is covered in articles 355-380.
>>> There is also an extensive list of references for more
>>> detail at the end of article 380.
>> ...
>>
>> Well, that's a lot of help <G>. If I didn't want to buy
>> a copy (and there's no way our library has it), could you
>> give a very brief summary of a common technique?
>>
>> If I had to do it, without knowing any surveying &
>> without buying a book, I'd drop a plumb line from 2
>> points at the top, to get a line at the bottom that had
>> the same bearing.
>>
>> Bob
>
> This looks like a good time to mention the Tamarack Mines
> mystery once again. Check out this link:
> http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/tamarack.htm

Here is an excerpt (sp? ;>)) ) from the article:

From the new No. 6 shaft, the deepest perpendicular shaft
in the world, it was desired to crosscut a distance of 800
feet at the twenty-ninth level, or 4,250 feet from the
surface, over to the lode. Already from the twenty-ninth
level of No. 2 shaft, which is 3,220 feet at the surface
from No. 5... the engineers desired to solve the old
tunneling problem—that of beginning work at either end and
meeting somewhere near the centre.
In order to do this it was necessary to give the men
working from the No. 2 shaft drift the proper direction.
Already they had at the mine office a survey from which it
would have been possible to have begun work, but it was
desired to verify it. It was made years ago, and the
engineers thought that the opportunity of satisfying
themselves as to its accuracy was at hand. The dropping of
the plumb line was the first step.

Chief Engineer J. B. Watson and his assistants went to
work to use the method that had been tried many times. It
had been tried at the Tamarack mine before and had been a
complete success. At the vertical shaft of the Calumet &
Hecla, known as the Whiting or Red Jacket shaft, plumb lines
had been dropped by the engineers, and at other mines where
vertical shafts are in use it had been successfully tried.
In principle it was nothing new, but it was practically new,
as never before had it been necessary to deal with a shaft
close to 5,000 feet deep.

The idea was to drop two plumb lines down the shaft to the
twenty- ninth level, then to take observations both at the
surface and down in the mine, taking the same data. After
this had been done at the new shaft it would be necessary to
repeat the operations again at the old shaft, when it would
be possible for the engineers to give the miners, working
away from the old shaft and toward the new one, the proper
directions to enable them to meet the men working in the
opposite direction. The idea was a simple one and one that
is known to all mining men.

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TOPIC: Hoo Boy!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:29 pm
From: technomaNge

Wes wrote:

>
> If only the freqency of my tinitus in my left ear could be fed back 180 out of phase and
> at same amplitude.
>
> Wes

There ya go, folks. An announced need with no product to fill it.
Who has contacts at a hearing aid company?

I'm interested, I have the same problem.

technomaNge
--
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the Electorial College has scheduled:

Nov. 1, 2010 All Independents vote.
Nov. 2, 2010 All Republicans vote.
Nov. 3, 2010 All Democrats vote.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:10 pm
From: "RAM³"

technomaNge <piracy@microsoft.com> wrote in
news:hn6sm2$i5p$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> Wes wrote:
>
>>
>> If only the freqency of my tinitus in my left ear could be fed back
>> 180 out of phase and at same amplitude.
>>
>> Wes
>
>
> There ya go, folks. An announced need with no product to fill it.
> Who has contacts at a hearing aid company?
>
> I'm interested, I have the same problem.
>
>
> technomaNge

Lately there's been a spate of advertisements on TV for a product called
"Quietus" that claims to be an herbal cure/remedy for tinitus.

Being more than somewhat skeptical of herbal products I haven't sent them
any ca$h.

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TOPIC: Bibles Wanted !
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:29 pm
From: "Ala"

"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D35DDED3DF9Wereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142...
> Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
> news:9sf8p5dljf1sm4ip7qvqpp3jl6abqgson1@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:58:13 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
>> (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>>
>>>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>news:42s1p55ndjrjo2ackian63ig91i0btfioh@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:45:41 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:34:41 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
>>>>>(Gray Ghost) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote in
>>>>>>news:2ijvo5t4oondqpahjc1qk4rq60li04tq2a@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:44:33 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> puked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:13:08 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:01:50 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:12:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>>>>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:16:11 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:37:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>>>>>>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:55:06 -0500, Cliff
>>>>>>>>>>>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/02/national/main626007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0. sht ml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ya know, as an atheist, I really wonder what this group is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking about. The whole point of being an atheist is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>distancing yourself from a group of sheep that believe the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thing, but these assholes seem to be inserting themselves in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the community to interfere with those sheep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>They would be the first ones bitching if xtian groups were out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>there condemning atheists and ridiculing their beliefs, yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>there they are prosthelytizing every bit as much as a fucking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jehovah's Witness standing on your porch Saturday morning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>As I've pointed out atheists are as wrong as theists.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In what regard?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Atheism is commonly defined as the position that there are no
>>>>>>>>>>deities
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You can't prove there is no god anymore than a theist can prove
>>>>>>>>>>there is one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And furthermore, you can't prove one is more wrong than the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Go back and look at what I said. I said they are both just as wrong
>>>>>>>>as the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I saw what you said. I still say you're wrong. It's a logical
>>>>>>> fallacy to claim that's an absolute. If there WERE a god, and that
>>>>>>> god was as described by a set religion, then that religion would be
>>>>>>> LESS wrong than atheism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're clearly agnostic as you believe that neither can ever be
>>>>>>> proven or explained, but your agnostic belief is just as capable of
>>>>>>> being wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the statement you should have said was:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Both (atheism) and (christianity) are CAPABLE of being just as
>>>>>>> wrong as the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But that being said, stories in the bible can be proven to be
>>>>>>>>>false.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And some have some historical references that can be proven.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clearly. I'm referring more to the magical miracle part that makes
>>>>>>> the bible a religious book.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Unless you have an astrophysical explanation for how the sun could
>>>>>>>>>stop in the sky, for example...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> lab~rat >:-)
>>>>>>> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes but given a choice between Marx and Christ it really isn't that
>>>>>>hard to choose.
>>>>>
>>>>>One is real and the other is a myth.
>>>>
>>>> Karl Marx was a political economist.
>>>> Very famous.
>>>
>>>He was a leech who lived off of others largess and then whined about his
>>>inadequacies and inability to do an honest day's labor. The fact that he
>>>wrote it down to justify it and many idiots have been fooled by his idiot
>>>tirade most likely earned him a special place in Hell.
>>
>> Karl Marx earned a living & is famed worldwide.
>> Has a nice gravemarker too.
>> Let's see gummer's.
>
> What ashcok you're an admirer of Marx. And no he didn't make a living,
> Engles
> supported him. His fame comes from having spawned the most soulless and
> destructive philosophy of the 20th Century that is probably the singlw
> biggest
> killer of the century.
>
> And his gravesite is probably nice 'cuz of all the people that piss on it.
>
>>
>>>Meanwhile Christ saved the souls of miilions. Yeah tough choice.
>>
>> "Kill a commie for Christ."
>
> When it comes to killing Commies, any reason is a good reason. the only
> good
> commie is a dead commie, preferably mutilated or burned beyond
> recognition.
>
>>
Good luck let us know how it goes

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 7:13 pm
From: Lookout

On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:29:51 -0500, "Ala" <alackrity@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns9D35DDED3DF9Wereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142...
>> Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>> news:9sf8p5dljf1sm4ip7qvqpp3jl6abqgson1@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:58:13 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
>>> (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>>news:42s1p55ndjrjo2ackian63ig91i0btfioh@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:45:41 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:34:41 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
>>>>>>(Gray Ghost) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"lab~rat >:-)" <chase@cheeze.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>news:2ijvo5t4oondqpahjc1qk4rq60li04tq2a@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:44:33 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> puked:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:13:08 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>>>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:01:50 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:12:41 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>>>>>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:16:11 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>puked:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:37:39 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>><chase@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:55:06 -0500, Cliff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> puked:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/02/national/main626007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0. sht ml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ya know, as an atheist, I really wonder what this group is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking about. The whole point of being an atheist is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>distancing yourself from a group of sheep that believe the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thing, but these assholes seem to be inserting themselves in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the community to interfere with those sheep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They would be the first ones bitching if xtian groups were out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>there condemning atheists and ridiculing their beliefs, yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>there they are prosthelytizing every bit as much as a fucking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jehovah's Witness standing on your porch Saturday morning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>As I've pointed out atheists are as wrong as theists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>In what regard?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Atheism is commonly defined as the position that there are no
>>>>>>>>>>>deities
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You can't prove there is no god anymore than a theist can prove
>>>>>>>>>>>there is one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And furthermore, you can't prove one is more wrong than the other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Go back and look at what I said. I said they are both just as wrong
>>>>>>>>>as the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I saw what you said. I still say you're wrong. It's a logical
>>>>>>>> fallacy to claim that's an absolute. If there WERE a god, and that
>>>>>>>> god was as described by a set religion, then that religion would be
>>>>>>>> LESS wrong than atheism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're clearly agnostic as you believe that neither can ever be
>>>>>>>> proven or explained, but your agnostic belief is just as capable of
>>>>>>>> being wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And the statement you should have said was:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Both (atheism) and (christianity) are CAPABLE of being just as
>>>>>>>> wrong as the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>But that being said, stories in the bible can be proven to be
>>>>>>>>>>false.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And some have some historical references that can be proven.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Clearly. I'm referring more to the magical miracle part that makes
>>>>>>>> the bible a religious book.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Unless you have an astrophysical explanation for how the sun could
>>>>>>>>>>stop in the sky, for example...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> lab~rat >:-)
>>>>>>>> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes but given a choice between Marx and Christ it really isn't that
>>>>>>>hard to choose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One is real and the other is a myth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl Marx was a political economist.
>>>>> Very famous.
>>>>
>>>>He was a leech who lived off of others largess and then whined about his
>>>>inadequacies and inability to do an honest day's labor. The fact that he
>>>>wrote it down to justify it and many idiots have been fooled by his idiot
>>>>tirade most likely earned him a special place in Hell.
>>>
>>> Karl Marx earned a living & is famed worldwide.
>>> Has a nice gravemarker too.
>>> Let's see gummer's.
>>
>> What ashcok you're an admirer of Marx. And no he didn't make a living,
>> Engles
>> supported him. His fame comes from having spawned the most soulless and
>> destructive philosophy of the 20th Century that is probably the singlw
>> biggest
>> killer of the century.
>>
>> And his gravesite is probably nice 'cuz of all the people that piss on it.
>>
>>>
>>>>Meanwhile Christ saved the souls of miilions. Yeah tough choice.
>>>
>>> "Kill a commie for Christ."
>>
>> When it comes to killing Commies, any reason is a good reason. the only
>> good
>> commie is a dead commie, preferably mutilated or burned beyond
>> recognition.
>>
>>>
>Good luck let us know how it goes

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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TOPIC: Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:30 pm
From: "RogerN"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:e8jcp5hvamurkirc5ves011hljvcekirq1@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:16:41 -0600, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>news:39gap55dbtk1218romop8oq4tj3oirlhd5@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:38:54 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
>>> (Gray
>>> Ghost) wrote:
>>>
>>>>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in news:H-
>>>>WdnS18QrSeeA_WnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>>>
>>>>> For one thing, I'm not all that anti-abortion. It is mostly the
>>>>> Liberals
>>>>> that believe in abortion and I have trouble believing liberals
>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>> have been aborted.
>>>>
>>>>Hmm, maybe I should grow and change my beliefs, too. I can think that
>>>>abortion
>>>>is OK but only for grown liberals who want to abort preborn humans.
>>>
>>> Neither of you want women to have rights.
>>> --
>>> Cliff
>>
>>Why do you think a woman should have so many rights but a man should have
>>none?
>
> Are you preggers again?
> Is Palin?
>
>>RogerN
> --
> Cliff

The man and woman had the same choice to have sex, unless it was rape. The
woman decides if she is going to be inconvenienced with the baby in her for
a few months. She can choose to kill it, give it up of adoption, or keep
it. A man has no choice, if she chooses to keep it, he will be forced to
pay for 18+ years. He doesn't have the choice to pay the cost of an
abortion and have no more responsibility. Totally a woman's choice but can
cost a man a huge chunk of his income for so many years. Keep it in
perspective, pregnancy lasts 9 months, child support lasts 18+ years, why
should women be the only ones with rights?

RogerN

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:04 pm
From: Aratzio

On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:16:41 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:

>
>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>news:39gap55dbtk1218romop8oq4tj3oirlhd5@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:38:54 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
>> (Gray
>> Ghost) wrote:
>>
>>>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in news:H-
>>>WdnS18QrSeeA_WnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>>
>>>> For one thing, I'm not all that anti-abortion. It is mostly the
>>>> Liberals
>>>> that believe in abortion and I have trouble believing liberals shouldn't
>>>> have been aborted.
>>>
>>>Hmm, maybe I should grow and change my beliefs, too. I can think that
>>>abortion
>>>is OK but only for grown liberals who want to abort preborn humans.
>>
>> Neither of you want women to have rights.
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Why do you think a woman should have so many rights but a man should have
>none?
>
>RogerN
>

Tell you what, I'll alleviate some of your massive ignorance and you
try to fit one fact into your minuscule brain:

The right to control one's body has nothing to do with gender.

For a bonus:
Go ahead, get pregnant and excercise the right to choose.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:53 pm
From: "RogerN"

"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:9bvdp5hr2dm8elt64ggt59u58b0t0qsp2u@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:16:41 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>
>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>news:39gap55dbtk1218romop8oq4tj3oirlhd5@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:38:54 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
>>> (Gray
>>> Ghost) wrote:
>>>
>>>>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in news:H-
>>>>WdnS18QrSeeA_WnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>>>
>>>>> For one thing, I'm not all that anti-abortion. It is mostly the
>>>>> Liberals
>>>>> that believe in abortion and I have trouble believing liberals
>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>> have been aborted.
>>>>
>>>>Hmm, maybe I should grow and change my beliefs, too. I can think that
>>>>abortion
>>>>is OK but only for grown liberals who want to abort preborn humans.
>>>
>>> Neither of you want women to have rights.
>>> --
>>> Cliff
>>
>>Why do you think a woman should have so many rights but a man should have
>>none?
>>
>>RogerN
>>
>
> Tell you what, I'll alleviate some of your massive ignorance and you
> try to fit one fact into your minuscule brain:
>
> The right to control one's body has nothing to do with gender.
>
> For a bonus:
> Go ahead, get pregnant and excercise the right to choose.

Dear mouse turd brain,
I responded to a post about women's right to choose.

The body she is having destroyed is not hers and the life she is taking is
not hers.

You alleviated one question though, I now know that you aren't smarter than
the average fence post!

RogerN

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 7:16 pm
From: Aratzio

On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:53:50 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:

>
>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:9bvdp5hr2dm8elt64ggt59u58b0t0qsp2u@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:16:41 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>
>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>news:39gap55dbtk1218romop8oq4tj3oirlhd5@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:38:54 -0600, grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com
>>>> (Gray
>>>> Ghost) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote in news:H-
>>>>>WdnS18QrSeeA_WnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For one thing, I'm not all that anti-abortion. It is mostly the
>>>>>> Liberals
>>>>>> that believe in abortion and I have trouble believing liberals
>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>> have been aborted.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmm, maybe I should grow and change my beliefs, too. I can think that
>>>>>abortion
>>>>>is OK but only for grown liberals who want to abort preborn humans.
>>>>
>>>> Neither of you want women to have rights.
>>>> --
>>>> Cliff
>>>
>>>Why do you think a woman should have so many rights but a man should have
>>>none?
>>>
>>>RogerN
>>>
>>
>> Tell you what, I'll alleviate some of your massive ignorance and you
>> try to fit one fact into your minuscule brain:
>>
>> The right to control one's body has nothing to do with gender.
>>
>> For a bonus:
>> Go ahead, get pregnant and excercise the right to choose.
>
>Dear mouse turd brain,
>I responded to a post about women's right to choose.
>
You have that right too, to excercise that right all you would need to
do is get pregnant.

You couldn't figure that out? That men have exactly the same rights?
You claimed "men have none", that is just stupid.

>The body she is having destroyed is not hers and the life she is taking is
>not hers.

Yet people like you claim children are "yours". Funny, you don't seem
to want anyone but you to have "rights" as you declare them.

Now, make your legal case for your claim. Please cite current law with
regard to support your claim:

>
>You alleviated one question though, I now know that you aren't smarter than
>the average fence post!

Are you pregnant yet?
So what gives you the right to determine the biological process in
another persons body?

Will you be allowing me to regulate the foods that you can eat?

Maybe a law that determines specifically when and where you are
allowed to defecate?

How about medical treatments? You are okay with the government
regulating which medical procedures are performed?

Where do you draw the line? Specifically, what gives you the right to
draw any line with regard to medical procedures?

>
>RogerN
>

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TOPIC: OT: Equipment Logos and Politics
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e9c6d381c3ccff75?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:11 pm
From: "Paul Hovnanian P.E."

I was watching the news this evening. One of the lead items was about
how Israel is risking undermining any potential peace negotiations by
beginning construction of new settlements in the West Bank. For the news
story, they showed some footage of the construction site. Strangely, it
appears as though they have blurred out the logos on the pieces of
equipment.

Do manufaturers fear some sort of backlash for providing equipmet to
Israel? And do they really think that most viewers won't be able to
identify 'Caterpillar Yellow'?

--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
Have gnu, will travel.

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TOPIC: OT Browsers OT
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/42ff6843726afa73?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:13 pm
From: "Paul Hovnanian P.E."

Try lynx.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
This isn't right. This isn't even wrong. -- Wolfgang Pauli

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 7:06 pm
From: "Bill Noble"

firefox earlier than 3.6 has serious security flaws, as do earlier IEs -
Chrome has a lot of known exploits the last time I looked but I don't know
the current patch status.

Security is one of the key things you should worry about

"Steve B" <deserttraver@fishymail.net> wrote in message
news:jd9i67-u49.ln1@news.infowest.com...
> Did I mention this was OT. I don't want some idiot blathering that it's
> not metal related.
>
> Please help me wrap my brain around browsers. I recently updated to IE8,
> and I hear people say how great Mozilla and Firefox is, and what a POS IE8
> is. What, basically are the differences, and how will it improve my life?
>
> BTW, this is an OT post. Make a note of it.
>
> Steve
>

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TOPIC: Buretting a very small volume.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/18dc2527a8a06e7b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:59 pm
From: whit3rd

On Mar 9, 1:58 pm, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
> axolotl wrote:
> > On 3/9/2010 12:06 AM, Tim Wescott wrote:
> >> I want to CC a few Cox 049 heads, but none of them are going to contain
> >> more than a fraction of a CC of volume.

> I'm going to try doing it by weight -- weigh it empty, fill it any old
> way, weigh it full, do some math...

You can replace the head gasket with an acrylic sheet, bore it
accurately, and fill through a transverse hole in the sheet. Several
fill-from-bottle/squirt-into-hole cycles with a small (hypodermic)
syringe will get you to a filled cavity. If the syringe is well-
enough
calibrated, that's enough.
The sheet will be thicker than the real gasket, but you can measure
and correct for that. The transverse hole has to be UP, of course,
during fill, to let air escape.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:41 pm
From: Tim Wescott

whit3rd wrote:
> On Mar 9, 1:58 pm, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
>> axolotl wrote:
>>> On 3/9/2010 12:06 AM, Tim Wescott wrote:
>>>> I want to CC a few Cox 049 heads, but none of them are going to contain
>>>> more than a fraction of a CC of volume.
>
>
>> I'm going to try doing it by weight -- weigh it empty, fill it any old
>> way, weigh it full, do some math...
>
> You can replace the head gasket with an acrylic sheet, bore it
> accurately, and fill through a transverse hole in the sheet. Several
> fill-from-bottle/squirt-into-hole cycles with a small (hypodermic)
> syringe will get you to a filled cavity. If the syringe is well-
> enough
> calibrated, that's enough.
> The sheet will be thicker than the real gasket, but you can measure
> and correct for that. The transverse hole has to be UP, of course,
> during fill, to let air escape.

Not on a Cox 049 you can't! The head screws on, into a cavity about 1/8
inch deep.

I'll be clamping the head to a bit of acrylic sheet, with a small hole
drilled into it.

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

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TOPIC: hp capacity of B belts
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/142c5537cbb7df2d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:05 pm
From: mark

On Jan 25, 3:37 pm, Bruce L. Bergman <bruceNOSPAMberg...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:40:52 +0700, John <johnbslo...@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:49:28 -0800 (PST), "dcas...@krl.org"
> ><dcas...@krl.org> wrote:
>
> >>On Jan 24, 11:33 pm, mark <markha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Could you recomend the pulley diameters, widths for the gates poly
> >>> chain...I want 1:1 ratio and the 2 shafts are approx. 34" apart. The
> >>> engine would produce 200hp max. but we only be running it at 3000rpm.
>
> >>I am really surprised that you want a 1:1 ratio. I am not an
> >>aeronautical engineer but I thought that propellers worked best at
> >>about 2000 rpm. At higher rpms they generate more turbulence.
>
> >> Dan
>
> >The critical point is the speed of sound. The tips of the blades
> >should never exceed, or practically approach too closely, the speed of
> >sound.
>
> And you don't want thebeltsfailing on you in the middle of a swamp
> with a hurricane blowing in - or a grass fire approaching rapidly, or
> a dozen other Oh Shit!! situations.
>
> Robinson and several other small helicopters use V-beltsas their
> final drive - but they are engineered systems that have ridiculous
> high safety margins. You don't have to be quite as over-safe, but it
> can't hurt to have a very healthy cushion.
>
> Call Gates or Dayco or Goodyear or any of the other big players - they
> all have OEM Engineering departments to help with design and
> selection,and they all have downloadable engineering guides if you
> want to figure it out for yourself... Because of course they want to
> sell thebeltsand parts to you, in quantity if you start mass
> marketing the design.
>
> --<< Bruce >>--- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well I got the boat finished and ran it for about 30 minutes at WOT,
2500rpm with the prop. The 4 B belts are not slipping at all, the
prop is preventing the engine (350 chev.) from turning up any more, if
they were slipping the engine would rev. higher. After about 30
minutes there is no sign of abnormal wear. I can see this being very
fun, I was driving it around the snow covered yard, didn't get a
chance to try it in the water yet. I put a spring loaded tensioner on
the belts but they are not very tight. Opposite the tensioner I can
move the belts about 2". Time will tell if they last long term. If
anyone wants to see pictures let me know.

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TOPIC: Discount Wholesale Versace Jeans ( www.brandmarket06.com )
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/91751e3f2a02f979?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:18 pm
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TOPIC: Do urethane caster wheels deform over time under load
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e2e5e86cd986b598?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:28 pm
From: Ignoramus17831

On 2010-03-10, Buerste <buerste@buerste.com> wrote:
>
> "Ignoramus17831" <ignoramus17831@NOSPAM.17831.invalid> wrote in message
> news:crednQrXwstxXAvWnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> This question is of great interest to me. If, say, I has a 1500 lb
>> rated caster with a urethane wheel, would it deform under 800 lb
>> load, enough to make it troublesome to move. Thanks
>>
>> i
>
> What color are they? The softer Urethane will deform but the harder ones
> will not. In die work, Urethane is color coded to hardness but I'm not sure
> if is an adhered to standard and may even vary per mfgr.

At the risk of causing a serious consternation, I want to confess that
I am going to make a base for this mill on casters. I will need to
move it about quite a bit. We are likely doing a house addition this
year and the mill will move into the new shop. I can always put 2x4s
under the base for stable placement.

Anyhow, I have these Colson 1500 lbs casters with dark red urethane
wheels, and I want to know if they would become unusable if I let the
mill sit on them for a week or two.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 7:13 pm
From: "pdrahn@coinet.com"

On Mar 9, 6:28 pm, Ignoramus17831 <ignoramus17...@NOSPAM.
17831.invalid> wrote:
> On 2010-03-10, Buerste <buer...@buerste.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Ignoramus17831" <ignoramus17...@NOSPAM.17831.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:crednQrXwstxXAvWnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> This question is of great interest to me. If, say, I has a 1500 lb
> >> rated caster with a urethane wheel, would it deform under 800 lb
> >> load, enough to make it troublesome to move. Thanks
>
> >> i
>
> > What color are they? The softer Urethane will deform but the harder ones
> > will not. In die work, Urethane is color coded to hardness but I'm not sure
> > if is an adhered to standard and may even vary per mfgr.
>
> At the risk of causing a serious consternation, I want to confess that
> I am going to make a base for this mill on casters. I will need to
> move it about quite a bit. We are likely doing a house addition this
> year and the mill will move into the new shop. I can always put 2x4s
> under the base for stable placement.
>
> Anyhow, I have these Colson 1500 lbs casters with dark red urethane
> wheels, and I want to know if they would become unusable if I let the
> mill sit on them for a week or two.
>
> i

Try pressing your thumb nail into the urethane. My guess is: If you
can see an indentation, they will get a flat spot. If you can't, they
won't.

Paul

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TOPIC: Suspend those pesky physics laws!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/29ce64ba74b5784a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:51 pm
From: "Martin H. Eastburn"

Depends on the transformer. There is a company 30 miles from here
and they have a sister site in Mexico. These are power line xformers.

Martin

Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
> Don Foreman wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> If the wire comes from a large spool with significant moment of
>> inertia, then a secondary mechanism would be in order that feeds a
>> "wire buffer" like on a coil winding machine so that all the feed
>> mechanism need do is accelerate and decelerate a few feet of wire and
>> overcome the mild resistance of the springs or weights in the buffer.
>> The spool would have its own servo drive that would run at fairly
>> constant speed with the buffer handling the reciprocating difference
>> in slack. If you haven't seen a coil winding machine, visit a company
>> that makes transformers.
>
> Transformers are all made in China now. The coil winding machines you
> refer to are 10 year olds.
>

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TOPIC: I was almost impounded, laptop saved me
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/22b99ed7799b84db?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 6:57 pm
From: "Martin H. Eastburn"

'reasonable doubt' is formed by the cop. Not by the kid.
They can easily steam roll young people.

Martin

Ignoramus10008 wrote:
> It is very difficult to even recognize that the police is asking for a
> permission to search. They may say something "open your trunk" or "if
> you have done nothing wrong, you would not mind us looking into your
> car, now would you" or "I need to search your car, hand me your keys".
>
> This is a good video on the subject. A must see for every citizen.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA
>
> i
>
> On 2010-03-08, Martin H. Eastburn <lionslair@consolidated.net> wrote:
>> When you are at the back of the truck with your hands over the back and
>> your feet apart - you want to say no ? This was a small insider
>> county. One would have thought they would have known.
>> Sons landlord a few years ago flew to Phoenix started a bar fight
>> and stayed a month in jail.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Wes wrote:
>>> "Martin H. Eastburn" <lionslair@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can see out of control types that would take apart the mill
>>>> looking for a gram of drugs. Then give you a street full of parts.
>>>>
>>>> That happened to my son in California as his truck was once owned
>>>> by a bad guy - bought at a police auction and reconditioned, sold by
>>>> a friend of the family to son...
>>>>
>>>> Great truck, but he was stopped twice for the other guy. The second time,
>>>> he, the cop, recognized a change of interior and driver - let him go. The
>>>> first time his complete contents of the truck was on the highway. insurance,
>>>> CD's, tools and school papers.
>>> Did he agree to a search? Some people give away their rights at the start of the
>>> encounter. I've been asked twice if law enforcement could search my car. Both times I
>>> said no, not without a warrant, and both times they let me go. Michigan and South
>>> Carolina were the two locations.
>>>
>>> Wes

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