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TOPIC: Bushville gets a reprieve in N.J.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3489eb94581400ea?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:08 pm
From: Iarnrod

On Apr 17, 3:49 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:25:10 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Apr 16, 10:57 pm, "Cheap Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
> >>http://cbs3.com/local/tent.city.camden.2.1632515.html
>
> >> Apr 15, 2010 11:00 pm US/Eastern
> >> Camden Tent City Residents Get A Reprieve
>
> >> CAMDEN, N.J. (AP) ? Homeless people who built a community of campground
> >> tents just a few blocks from downtown Camden got a reprieve Thursday,
> >> allowing them to remain, at least for now, at the self-governing settlement
> >> in one of the nation's poorest cities.
>
> >You fuckin' moron. this tent city was established FOUR YEARS AGO.
> >Guess these folks knew what AWOL Bush was doing to the economy and
> >decided to get a head start. <chuckle>
>
> >READ your cites before you post shit that contradicts you, fuzznuts.
>
> So you are saying that Liberal City cant find housing for its homeless
> in 4 yrs?

Your moron hero AWOL was still in office, kookshit. Buy a fuckin'
CALENDAR, Popgun, and catch up with the times.

> And you guys want to run America?
>
> No wonder its going down the drain.

Obama prevented it from going down the Republican drain. FACT. THANK
YOU, Prez Obama!!

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TOPIC: Republicans stand with Wall Street
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/785f20c50aa6ebb2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:11 pm
From: F. George McDuffee

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:57:44 -0700, Hawke
<davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>
>Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell met with hedge fund managers last
>week to work out a deal where they would give the republicans big
>donations and in return the republicans would stop any reforms of the
>banking industry.
>
>It was announced later in the week that all 41 republican senators would
>oppose the banking reform bill and would filibuster to stop it.
>
>So there you have it. What is wrong with America. Wealthy corporate
>interests are able to tell the congress what they want and they get it,
>and venal congressmen, republicans in this case, are willing to do
>anything they are paid to do. So much for our "democracy".
>
>Hawke
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Most unfortunately this does not appear to be solely due to the
elected personalities/individuals, because if it were, a
replacement of a simple majority would "fix" the problem, i.e.
"throw the bums out."

Rather the entire system/structure of government is becoming
increasingly dysfunctional, which is not surprising, given the
extraordinarily intensive, extensive and rapid changes in the
domestic U.S. economy [globalization/deindustrialization] and
U.S. society/culture with minimal changes in the form, structure
and operation of government at all levels.

What was designed/developed for the governance of rural and small
town population has apparently reached it's limits of its
evolution or adaptability with the rise of a multi-cultural,
tetra-urban, polyglot, trans-national majority population.

The regulatory agencies are exhibiting the same inconsistent
behavior.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/goldman-had-9-months-warning-from-sec-report-2010-04-17?reflink=MW_news_stmp
April 17, 2010, 5:14 p.m. EDT
Goldman warned of SEC suit 9 months ago: report
Investment bank could be exposed to a raft of private lawsuits
By Alistair Barr, MarketWatch
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc. was
warned nine months ago that Securities and Exchange Commission
staff wanted to bring a civil case against it, but the investment
bank didn't specifically disclose this to investors in regulatory
filings, Bloomberg News reported Saturday, citing unidentified
people it credited with direct knowledge of the communications.
<snip>

FWIW -- it appears that even if Goldman Sachs is put out of
business, their executives sentenced long prison terms, with
massive disgorgement of personal wealth, nothing will change
because the system that allowed/encouraged Goldman Sachs and many
other financial firms to flourish at the expense of the people
was not changed. When you always do what you've always done,
you'll always get what you always got. To paraphrase Winston
Churchill when he was First Lord of the Admiralty, about the
possibility of a successful surprise attack by the Imperial
German navy, "The goal of the Royal Navy is not to see they won't
do it, the goal of the Royal Navy is to see they *CAN'T* do it."

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

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TOPIC: The Map is not the Territory, was Re: OT - I think Gunner should run
for office on the
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/98af221afb72e333?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:11 pm
From: Nicholas

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:08:30 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Destroy-Everything@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:

>On 4/17/2010 12:31 PM, Nicholas wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:48:41 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
>> <Then-Destroy-Everything@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/17/2010 12:00 AM, Nicholas wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>>>> <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 16, 5:51 pm, Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-
>>>>> che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 16, 6:38 pm, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
>>>>>>> <gunnera...@gmail.com> reported Elvis on Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:45:02
>>>>>>> -0700 in misc.survivalism:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You do know that I live in The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia...right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have plenty of leftwingers within this state. Ooodles of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have my sincerest condolences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So if I were to go off the reservation..what makes you think Id leave
>>>>>>>> the state to commit "mayhem"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Snerk. Now you're confusing him. He's obviously seen a map.
>>>>>>> California isn't all that big, maybe the size of his hand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a new cartographic concept... one hand = one state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> pyotr filipivich.
>>>>>>> Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
>>>>>>> you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Florida could just be a finger..the middle one.
>>>>>
>>>>> TMT
>>>>
>>>> Or:
>>>> Florida is America's penis, and Texas is it's scrotum.
>>>>
>>> That would make NY the anus and Illinois the armpit?
>>
>> Arizona is the anus
>> California is the buttcheeks
>
>California is a nose or Boobs, looks pretty but isn't real and we can't
>afford it but we got it nip-tucked anyways.

You know the saying: 'what happens in California...so goes the rest of
the country.' They're on the luge slide to financial oblivion and
people are leaving the place at an accelerated pace. The Exodus has
been going on for years, and the tax base has all but eroded.

And to think that at one time I wanted to move there. I'm glad I ran
out of gas before I did.

Nick

>
>> Illinois is simply a way to get from Indiana to Iowa
>>

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 6:02 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:08:30 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Destroy-Everything@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:

ROFLMAO!!....indeed!

Gunner, Rural California resident

>> Illinois is simply a way to get from Indiana to Iowa
>>

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 6:05 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Nicholas wrote:
>
> You know the saying: 'what happens in California...so goes the rest of
> the country.' They're on the luge slide to financial oblivion and
> people are leaving the place at an accelerated pace. The Exodus has
> been going on for years, and the tax base has all but eroded.
>
> And to think that at one time I wanted to move there. I'm glad I ran
> out of gas before I did.

I turned down a job a KBAK TV several times.

--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

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TOPIC: Another state passes Constitutional Carry!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/094f3d0e875d68d9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 5:25 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Wes wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>
>> Wes wrote:
>>> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Since the person carrying in the case of Arizona can not imbibe,
>>>>> what difference is there in carrying in a bar or supermarket?
>>>>
>>>> The shoppers aren't likely to be stupid drunk and like as not at
>>>> least a few of the bar patrons will be.
>>>
>>>
>>> The bar patrons are not supposed to be stupid drunk.
>>
>> There always will be Wes, at least on occasion.
>
> Yes there will. Should the guy just minding his business having a
> burger have his life at risk because some drunk decides to go off on
> him?

That wasn't what I was talking about. The truth is that your life wasn't
likely at risk to start with.
The possibility of getting the shit kicked out of you is a lot different
than getting dead.

>>
>>
>>> There are laws
>>> against serving people that are clearly drunk. The person carrying
>>> must be stone cold sober.
>>
>> I've seen people with half a snootful try and snatch a cops gun away
>> from him. Something that started out as a joke ended up not being so
>> funny. There are also other circumstances that would seem less
>> stupid where a gun might come out that might seem perfectly
>> reasonable or legitimate. Get a job in any place liquor is served
>> and you'll get an eyeful of the effects and results even very modest
>> drinking can have on seemingly normal people. You could also just go
>> down to your local tavern for a beer and chat up the servers.
>
> We are discussing concealed carry, not open carry.

So am I.
When there is a fair chance that everyone in the room is armed a person
might go for someone elses gun.
That's especially true when, for instance, some drunk is beating the shit
out of his wife or girlfriend and you have a brawl.

>
> There are few decent places to get a meal that don't have a liquour
> license in our economy. I believe this senario is the thrust of the
> change in legislation.

That may well be.
I'm apt to think it's because of all of the Drug/Latin Gang kidnappings and
murders in Phoenix.

>
> The chances of me visiting the local rowdy bar for a burger near
> closing time if carrying there was legal is zero.

You can find bad behavior anywhere Wes, especially where you'd least think.
Don't believe me, ask around a little - start with your local Applebee's or
Chili's.

>
> Insurance works on large numbers. If the actuarial data is
> predictable, they will adjust their rates if necessary. I don't
> think there will be any noticable change. Haven't seen blood in the
> streets in Michigan due to CCW. Doubt it is happening anywhere else.

Michigan requires a permit with all that the proceedure entails. I thought
AZ was going to skip all of that.

>
> I listen to Charles Heller's podcasts regularly. He is a founding
> member of the Arizona citizens defense league. He has always seemed
> to be a rational person on firearms issues.

That's the same thing we hear out here when it comes to ballot initiatives.
The result of those good intentions to address real issues frequently looks
a lot like Prop. 187.
Didn't last a month.

>I don't have a lot of
> worries on that but then I haven't been in Arizona since a deployment
> at MCAS Yuma in the late 70's.

I'm not worried at all.
I've got egg noodles on the stove cooking in half a pound of butter and
enough beef broth that when it's done, all I'll have is a little juice left
and a big bunch of yummie noodles.
LOL

--
John R. Carroll

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TOPIC: On Obama's watch: California sets record 12.6% jobless rate
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5738c172a5ad28c3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:26 pm
From: Nicholas

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:58:55 -0700 (PDT), "Cheney, Dick"
<perryneheum@hotmail.com> wrote:

>By mid-2011 the NATIONAL unemployment rate will be at 13.5 percent.
>
>Residue from "The Great Bush Depression."

That's not counting all the people who aren't on the radar screen
anymore because their benefits have run out. Or they've given up and
stopped looking for work.

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TOPIC: Why We Will Have War In America
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/34ae82bb80c98917?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:27 pm
From: "Cheney, Dick"

CE, your post is below laughable!

That "group of man and women" are about 10-million backers shy of a
load.

I'd say DAFFY DUMB SHIT could produce a more literate screed than
yours.

Oh, say, I believe you left your pants in the shit house! Whee-hoo!

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TOPIC: OT: Question about tunnel digging...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1a0f3f28abe4575a?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:32 pm
From: Wes

"Artemus" <bogus@invalid.org> wrote:

>An engineering notebook with typewritten page(s) on unyellowed paper
>from 80 years ago?
>I'm skeptical.
>Art

I don't agree with rangersucks on much. This, I doubt, is a fabrication.

Wes

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:45 pm
From: rangerssuck

On Apr 17, 4:36 pm, "Artemus" <bo...@invalid.org> wrote:
> "rangerssuck" <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cfc59af5-b627-42b5-a2e3-4d86a54f78b7@w3g2000vbw.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 8, 7:43 pm, rangerssuck <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A few years back, when I was contracting for AT&T, I rescued from aVerizondumpster
>
> an engineering notebook with all sorts of
>
> > correspondence about building the trans-Atlantic telephonecable. I
> > remember thinking that it's a miracle that they got this done without
> > the internet, and then I realized that they did it without even a
> > telephone - which they were working to connect.
>
> OK, I got the book out of storage, and took a picture of a more-or-
> less randomly selected page. If anyone wants to see more, I'll see
> what I can do about (maybe) scanning the whole thing.
>
> http://i1029.photobucket.com/albums/y358/RangersSuck11/SamplePage.jpg
>
> Note that all of this was dated 1929.
>
> **********
>
> An engineering notebook with typewritten page(s) on unyellowed paper
> from 80 years ago?
> I'm skeptical.
> Art

Sheesh, give me a break, huh?

It's not exactly an engineering notebook. It's a book of bound
(punched holes) mostly typewritten, some handwritten, correspondence.
Some is logistical, most is engineering (like the page I posted). The
picture you saw is not yellow because I posted it in grayscale. OK?

Most of the pages are in remarkably good shape. Some are carbon
copies, though many are original. There are also a few blueprints
bound in.

Why would I ever make something like this up? The book was in a
dumpster at a Verizon office where I was working under contract to
AT&T about 10 years ago. Can you believe they were throwing something
like this away? I got a nice Cisco router out of the same dumpster.
The Verizon guy was happy to see it go.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:47 pm
From: rangerssuck

On Apr 17, 7:32 pm, Wes <ClutchAtLycosDot...@Gmail.com> wrote:
> "Artemus" <bo...@invalid.org> wrote:
> >An engineering notebook with typewritten page(s) on unyellowed paper
> >from 80 years ago?
> >I'm skeptical.
> >Art
>
> I don't agree with rangersucks on much. This, I doubt, is a fabrication.
>
> Wes

It is, indeed, the real deal. Or, someone went to a great deal of
trouble to put together an old-looking book and toss it in the junk
pile. All just to fool the guys on rcm.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 5:56 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

rangerssuck wrote:

>
> Why would I ever make something like this up? The book was in a
> dumpster at a Verizon office where I was working under contract to
> AT&T about 10 years ago. Can you believe they were throwing something
> like this away?

That was how Kevin Mitnick got the goods on AT&T's hardware and software.
They just throw operations stuff in the trash. Well, they used to.
LOL

--
John R. Carroll

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TOPIC: Metalworking
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ca975eee3c749f93?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:32 pm
From: Winston

On 4/16/2010 7:16 PM, William Wixon wrote:
> i did some metalworkish kind of stuff this past week and finished it and
> erected it today.

Your bot made me smile.
William, you are one of the good ones.

--Winston

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 5:56 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Gerald Miller wrote:
>
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:06:02 -0400, "Phil Kangas"
> <pkangas@alphacomm.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Aw yes, it's spring! Time to fire up on projects again and
> >enjoy life!
> >Have another fine day tomorrow, eih? ;>))
> >phil
> >
> >
> Time to determine which dumpster mower to use this year - most I've
> paid for a lawn mower lately was $5 back in 1990, and I gave that one
> away last year, still running fine.

I can't remember ever bying a mower. Whenever I needed one, someone
would be throwing one away...

--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

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TOPIC: Watch out for this "premier" vendor
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3a914353c513d9f8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:34 pm
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

I bought and paid for a Brown and Sharp surface grinder from:

kingswingtool

on Ebay.

He offered it with a low shipping cost that said to me he had "dead-
head" trucking available. A lot of heavy machinery equipment dealers are
offering free shipping, so I figured his under-$20 fee was for
palletizing and loading.

So, after it was paid, he sent me an email to the effect that I would
have to arrange shipping on my own -- at $800 minimum through
FreightQuote.com.

I got my money back, but I _really_ wanted that grinder, and he reneged.

Watch this guy.

LLoyd

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TOPIC: OT Good news (from "who will be the first")
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/de4246196f575c10?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:41 pm
From: Winston

On 4/16/2010 11:52 PM, Don Foreman wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:37:45 -0400, Wes
> <ClutchAtLycosDotCom@Gmail.com> wrote:

(...)

>> Any updates on your Mary?
>>
>> Wes
>
> She's home, feeling a bit beat up but improving steadily.

Please tell her that all your metalworking pals are
delighted she is back home and getting better.

--Winston

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:43 pm
From: Winston

On 4/17/2010 8:05 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:

> (No, Winnie, the massage button was on the _recliner_.)

Happiness is a vibrating recliner.

--Winnie

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TOPIC: Heat/air for small garage/shop
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21ca08258ce8d2a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:56 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Watching well dressed women falling down concrete steps covered by fog
> was a bit...scary.

Yes, if they aren't drunk politicians.

--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

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TOPIC: Do TMT's mommies have two Glocks too?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6ace763e99837177?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:58 pm
From: Shall not be infringed

On Apr 17, 3:08 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> On 4/16/2010 11:26 PM, Chief Egalitarian wrote:
>
> >http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-12-2010/open-carrier-disc...
>
> I just wonder how you would like it when people like me start open
> carrying?

Just keep your fly zipped and everythings good.

> It seems you think it's a great idea for everyone to have open
> carry. When we "liberals" start carrying our guns out in public
> something tells me you're not going to like it.

I could give a shit. I've been around responsible people carrying
guns all my life.

Unless you're telling me that you're irresponsible. Is that what
you're telling me?

> Apparently, you think
> only people like you are going to open carry.

And?

> You can believe me, when
> people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
> you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
> your discomfort level is going to go off the chart.

Doesn't mean shit to me. Just understand that I'm carrying, and I'm
skilled.

> If open carry is
> allowed

Is this China? Open carry IS legal.

> you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
>
> Hawke

Why do you think it's going to be a problem? Just because you know
that you will behave irresponsibly doesn't mean the rest of us do.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 5:19 pm
From: Shall not be infringed

On Apr 17, 2:26 am, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-12-2010/open-carrier-disc...

Chief Eagle, I hate to correct you on this matter, but because of
Tools speech impediment, you mistakenly thought Tool said "Glocks."

Sounds like Glocks when he said it, but it starts with a "C."

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TOPIC: about stainless steel tubing cutting process.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/802799826b79f194?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 4:59 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-04-17, jc <yoshidesigns@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,all
>
> I need to cut out straight 1mm or 1.5 mm slice from 10" long annealed
> stainless tubing 1-1/2"OD{A} x1.370"ID"{B}x.065"{C}----304.
> I am going to use sherline lathe machine.

Hmm ... rather large for a Sherline. Since it won't feed
through the spindle (1-1/2" OD would not quite do so even on my 12x24"
Clausing) you'll need a steady rest. Does one come with the Sherline,
or is it an extra cost option?

A bit of web searching says that it is Sherline's part number
1074.

A bit more searching says that if you got the 'B' or 'C' package
deals you got the 1074 steady rest. Otherwise, unless you separately
bought it, you don't have one. Oh yes -- if you got the "Ultimate
Machine Shop" package (lathe and mill combined) you also got the 1074
steady rest.

Otherwise, it will apparently cost you $40.00

And I think that you will want to open the chuck up inside the
tubing to grip on the steps of the chuck instead of trying to open it far
enough to use the normal gripping approach. Though you can reverse the
jaws on the Sherline 3-jaw chuck (part numbers 1040 and 1041 depending
on which you have), so you can grip on the outside.

In any case -- for that thin a material I would suggest turning
a plug which would barely fit inside the tubing (if gripping it from the
outside) to prevent deflection of the tubing walls and resulting poorer
grip.

If you are expanding the jaws inside the workpiece, turn a ring
which just barely slips over the OD of the workpiece to again control
deflection.

> If I make my own tool bit from tungsten or HSS blank,or maybe diamond
> tip??? what shape of tip is good?

Diamond should be avoided in any ferrous metal.

You really want something like a parting tool (thin blade which
is tapered from top to bottom so it does not bind).

They list one as their part number 3002 "Cutoff tool and
holder), and they charge $50.00 for that.

If you want to see what it looks like, go to their web page:

<http://www.sherline.com/accessor.htm>

and scroll down to 3002 and click on the ".html version" or the ".pdf
version" to get an instruction sheet. This will show you what the blade
looks like, which is what you really need.

To see what the steady rest looks like and how to use it, from
this same page click on one of the choices for 1074 ("Steady rest").

You could also use the "Follower Rest" (part number 1090) instead
of the "Steady Rest". That one costs $70.00 -- a bit more, but perhaps
more convenient for parting off multiple rings as you appear to plan to
do.

> I'd be very appreciated if anyone has good idea and advice or
> suggestion for this cutting process.

You have my suggestions above.

Good luck,
DoN.

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TOPIC: Just a heads up....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/507d36381a50823d?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 5:10 pm
From: rangerssuck

On Apr 17, 3:17 pm, Ignoramus25624 <ignoramus25...@NOSPAM.
25624.invalid> wrote:
> On 2010-04-17, dcas...@krl.org <dcas...@krl.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 17, 10:55?am, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >> Dammit, Dan, if I did that, you'd just say that, "no, you have to look at
> >> the individual states and see what percentages they're gaining or losing,
> >> because Eregon was talking about states." Admit it. That's exactly what
> >> you'd do, right?
>
> > ).
>
> >> In other words, you don't care what the facts are, you just want to
> >> speculate about something that fits your ideology, just like Eregon did.
> >> Not interested in finding out what you're talking about, you'd rather live
> >> on conservative economic bullshit and content yourself with that.
>
> >> Too bad. By digging out the facts, you get all kinds of surprises, and you
> >> realize that the ideologies are all bullshit. But it's not very comforting
> >> that way, so hang on to your speculations. You always can cook up a good,
> >> comforting narrative that way.
>
> > I really do not care. And I am not trying to cook up a comforting
> > narrative. You might note that I did not say anything about right to
> > work states being better or worse than non right to work states. Or
> > anything concerning the original statement or even your statements.
>
> > What I am saying is that you can not average percentages the way you
> > did and get meaningful data. You say that the average job loss
> > percentage for the Northeastern states is -5.71 And that is
> > incorrect.
>
> > Instead of getting all bent out of shape and assuming that I am trying
> > to come up with something to fit my ideology, you would do better to
> > cool down and read what I am saying. You get three figure numbers
> > that do not mean a thing.
>
> > I am just pointing out that your use of data is incorrect.
>
> Populations of states are very easy to get, and calculating the
> population average for a set of state is a 20 minute
> exercise. Relistically, I would not expect the population weighted
> average to be significantly different from unweighted average.
>
> Practically speaking, the main problem of conservatives is that they
> listen to conservative entertainment programs. Those programs are all
> about money, keeping the audience so that advertisers can sell them
> various junk. They never wanted to be truthful or even to approach
> reailty. Conservatives swallow this hook, line and sinker and are a
> prey to advertisers.
>
> I have a radio in the shed to keep pests away. It has a conservative
> host. What is kind of shocking is selection of advertisers. I have
> heard only the following advertised:
>
> o Impotence, Weight loss and balding cures (the ads sound
> like the products are likely to be snake oil)
> o IRA scams related to high fee gold IRA accounts
> o Other investment scams
>
> This really does not fit the image of conservatives that I had in my
> mind. Though I no longer consider myself such, I generally would hope
> that they, on average, should in some ways be above the level that the
> ads imply.
>
> But, possibly, this is a radio program only intended for a subset of
> conservatives. That radio program is all about ideology, never
> carefully considering anything. So I am not surprised that its
> listeners are basically suckers, and get ads intended for suckers.
> Non-suckers just would not listen to this. I can try to find out what
> it is. I do not listen to Rush Limbaugh, but would love to know what
> is advertised on his programs.
>
> The kinds of conservatives that I used to associate with, before the
> war against Iraq, would be the sort of people who read Wall Street
> Journal editorials, Milton Friedman, etc. I still susbcribe to most
> of his ideas, but know that in reality they are usually perverted and
> used to steal money from wherever they are applied.
>
> i

When my blood pressure is low, I listen to WABC radio out of New York.
An alarming number of advertisers are for tax dodgers "I owed the IRS
$45,000, but this company got it settled for $1500." and credit
dodgers "I owed $45,000 on my credit cards, but this company got it
settled for $1500."

For a bunch of conservatives, they have racked up some serious debt.
For a bunch of "family values" folks, they do seem to be in an awful
hurry to shirk their responsibilities.

A lot like Gunner.

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TOPIC: Q on Surplus Tool Place - Altoona-Tyrone, PA
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d18278f809d3f672?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 5:28 pm
From: Terry

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:37:44 -0400, GeoLane at PTD dot NET <GeoLane at
PTD dot NET> wrote:

>There used to be (25 years ago before I moved) a good surplus tool
>place on Rt 220 south of Tyrone on the way to Altoona. Is it still
>there? I may be going out that way and want to stop if it's still
>around.
>
>RWL

Surplus City! It was still there last year. They sell fasteners of
all sorts, sandpaper of every grade down to 2000 grit, files, drill
bits by the pound, hand tools, hammer handles, electrical items, lots
of odds and ends. I visit the place almost every time I'm up there.

Interstate 99 now runs parallel to "old" 220. I don't recall which
exit is closest to Surplus City.

Best -- Terry

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TOPIC: What is it? Set 332
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4a34e57b6daa01fa?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 5:36 pm
From: Jesse

On Apr 17, 1:51 pm, "Rob H." <rhv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As for (1908) -- could it not have also been used for shoveling
> > coal in a steam engine (locomotive)? Pretty much the same constraints
> > there as for a furnace.
>
> I'm sure it could have been used on a steam engine, someone told me they saw
> one in a fire museum where it was used with an old steam pumper, but with a
> patent date of 1938 it was invented after steam pumpers were no longer in
> use.
>
> Rob

We had one that we used for an old Sunbeam coal furnace in our house
in the 60's to early 70's. I wonder if it is still in my moms
basement? I'll have to take a look when I get a chance.

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TOPIC: Again a psych test would have prevented this senseless slaughter
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d16687e6efb0719a?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 5:59 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> Need to pass a law against owning illegal guns.

We could always make being stupid a capitol offense. Then they
wouldn't have a chance to buy that illegal weapon.

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have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

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