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TOPIC: Rahmbo bailing on 0bama
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/193c92044890f14e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:27 pm
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

The only member of 0bama's cabinet with any brains can read the writing on
the wall and is bailing on 0bama. Watch him apply the screws to his old
Master Daley and push him out of his nice comfy chair.

Rahm never wanted to serve as Chief of Staff anyway, he always had his
sights set on Speaker of the House. With the old hag grandma in that
position, and the rest of the mob getting voted out in the upcoming
elections, Rahmbo is jumping ship.

By doing this, he sending a signal to 0bama that he should go back to Kenya,
where her was born, and start a forgery school for aspiring imposters.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/white-house/rahm-emanuels-next-step.html?wprss=thefix

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TOPIC: Please do not hate me for this
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/cae788e6847254c3?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:29 pm
From: Wes

Ignoramus3512 <ignoramus3512@NOSPAM.3512.invalid> wrote:

>> But does she worship at your feet? ;)
>
>not AT ALL

Welcome to the world of mortals. ;) I don't hate you anymore. :)

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:31 pm
From: Wes

Ignoramus3512 <ignoramus3512@NOSPAM.3512.invalid> wrote:

>> Not a problem. Iggy can deliver it to my shop, where I have a three phase
>> delta service, 400 amps.
>> What a deal he got!
>
>Actually 38 amp at 230v.
>
>i

Back of the knapkin, that sounds like about 300-350 amps on the welding side.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:38 pm
From: Wes

Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>>Actually, the two are pretty much identical in actual power capacity:
>>
>>40A 400V 3ph ~ 48KW
>>200A 240V 1ph ~ 48KW
>
>
>Blink..blink...that would be 100 amps of 400 volts..wouldnt it?
>
>you are short 60 amps somewhere...<G>
>
>Gunner

40A * 1.732 * 400v = 27712 (P=IE*1.732) since it is three phase.
200a * 1 * 240v = 48000 (P=IE*1) since it is three phase.

Did I get this right?

Wes

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TOPIC: 'DON'T SEE, DON'T TELL - POLICE PUSH REPORTERS AWAY FROM GAY PROTESTERS
AT FENCE...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/01443a16e3bd01d3?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:30 pm
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

'DON'T SEE, DON'T TELL'
POLICE PUSH REPORTERS AWAY FROM GAY PROTESTERS AT FENCE...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0410/Most_transparent_White_House_ever.html?showall

Most transparent White House ever...

Police chased reporters away from the White House and closed Lafayette Park
today in response to a gay rights protest in which several service members
in full uniform handcuffed themselves to the White House gate to protest
"Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

People who have covered the White House for years tell me that's an
extremely unusual thing to do in an area that regularly features protests.

A reporter can be seen in the YouTube video above calling the move
"outrageous" and "ridiculous."

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 6:18 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:30:54 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
<Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:

>'DON'T SEE, DON'T TELL'
>POLICE PUSH REPORTERS AWAY FROM GAY PROTESTERS AT FENCE...
>
>
>http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0410/Most_transparent_White_House_ever.html?showall
>
>Most transparent White House ever...
>
>
>Police chased reporters away from the White House and closed Lafayette Park
>today in response to a gay rights protest in which several service members
>in full uniform handcuffed themselves to the White House gate to protest
>"Don't Ask, Don't Tell."
>
>People who have covered the White House for years tell me that's an
>extremely unusual thing to do in an area that regularly features protests.
>
>A reporter can be seen in the YouTube video above calling the move
>"outrageous" and "ridiculous."
>
>

And the Leftwingers still deny that they and theirs are not
totalitiarians..which this video simply disproves quite nicely.

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: With JB You Can Always Count On...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ffbec57f79cd8673?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:43 pm
From: Joe788

Emotion And Commotion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwNx-SG_vr8&feature=related

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TOPIC: Electric Motor Phase Correction Question
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/09ececa261b3605b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:44 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:41:55 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

>Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> fired this volley in
>news:cg2ss55prnoqk0aecc9vuu368tj83k2rr5@4ax.com:
>
>> Ok...so how to I check?
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>>
>
>Deliberately disconnect the start winding from the centrifugal switch.
>
>Wind a cord around the shaft, and "pull-start" it (very, very damned soon
>after you apply power).
>
>If it runs without kicking the over-temp, it's the start switch that is
>failing to open, and that should be _really_ easy to fix, since it's
>purely mechanical.
>
>The other alternative is just to open it up and fiddle with the switch.
>It could be corroded and jammed, or just welded shut from a bad high-
>current "make" at some time.
>
>LLoyd

Thanks Lloyd..Ill check it out. Its NOT a THHC motor..so it does have
openings into the motor housing and it does spend its time outdoors in
the open. So the switch could indeed be stuck

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Using an old three phase DC welder from single phase?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c71ced1ed64bba6b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:45 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:25:33 -0700 (PDT), sparky <sparky12x@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 20, 3:39 pm, Ignoramus3512 <ignoramus3...@NOSPAM.3512.invalid>
>wrote:
>> Let's say I have a big old three phase DC welder that was supposed to
>> have three phase input (and has a three phase transformer and three
>> phase rectifier).
>>
>> If I use it from just one phase (hook up two terminals to one line
>> input and the third to another line input), would it be able to make
>> satisfactory welds? I understand the electrics of this a little bit,
>> and instead of relatively smooth rectified three phase AC with only 5%
>> 360 Hz ripple, it would be much less smooth rectified single phase AC.
>>
>> My question is, how good would that be for actual welding, like with
>> 7018 or some such rod.
>>
>> i
>
>You might have to make some control circuit changes and replace the
>fan motor if it is 3 phase. Otherwise it should work just the same as
>any single phase welder.

Which is not true with my Airco PhaseArc350, 300 amp mig welder,
unfortunately.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Rivett lathe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/269f64ee73671848?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:52 pm
From: "ATP*"

"Karl Townsend" <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote in message
news:4bce345d$0$77557$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...
>i guy just called to offer an old Rivett lathe. Looks like a monarch 10EE
>clone.
>
> I see the variable speed drive is way different:
> http://www.lathes.co.uk/rivett1020s/page2.html
>
> Does this work well? Other comments on this machine.
>
> It will be a house warming present for "the Kid". He just bought a
> foreclosed house with a MONSTER insulated shop. Dad only had to loan him
> 60K
>
> Karl
>
I've seen a lot of Rivett lathes at auctions of older plants in the
northeast, they all looked rock solid. Quite a few were secondary operation
lathes, IIRC.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:56 pm
From: Jim Stewart

Karl Townsend wrote:
> i guy just called to offer an old Rivett lathe. Looks like a monarch 10EE
> clone.
>
> I see the variable speed drive is way different:
> http://www.lathes.co.uk/rivett1020s/page2.html
>
> Does this work well? Other comments on this machine.

What a sweet looking design. Other than maybe being
something of a bitch to change the belts, it looks like
it would be easy to maintain. Or just take out the
vari-speed motor and belts and stick in a plain vanilla
3-phase motor and vfd.

If you give him the lathe, I think he would be obligated
to help you with a certain muddy job you have (:

> It will be a house warming present for "the Kid". He just bought a
> foreclosed house with a MONSTER insulated shop. Dad only had to loan him 60K
>
> Karl
>
>
>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:56 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:10:40 -0500, "Karl Townsend"
<karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:

>i guy just called to offer an old Rivett lathe. Looks like a monarch 10EE
>clone.
>
>I see the variable speed drive is way different:
>http://www.lathes.co.uk/rivett1020s/page2.html
>
>Does this work well? Other comments on this machine.
>
>It will be a house warming present for "the Kid". He just bought a
>foreclosed house with a MONSTER insulated shop. Dad only had to loan him 60K
>
>Karl
>
>
Is this a 1020 or the far more common 1030?

Frankly..if the ways were good and nothing was worn out...Id give a
couple toes to own either one. Marvelous lathes!!

And yes..the drives are very very good.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Cox Communications drops Usenet
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/36f115acdf81c75c?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:52 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:01:19 -0500, Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote:

>azotic wrote:
>> Dear Valued Customer:
>>
>> Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service
>> to our subscribers.
>Well, Charter did that a number of years ago. They paid an outside
>service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be
>back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like
>rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So,
>I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get
>the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for
>the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never
>works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back
>to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs
>down my computer when I open the newsgroups.
>
>Jon

Odd...I pay $4.95 a month for Giganews. Lowest rung, but I use only a
few newsgroups and a couple binary groups.

I had to drop my 12yr old internet account some time ago..$25 a month
for dialup was simply not in my budget..and Im sharing HIGH speed
internet with a neighbor across the street with wifi. So my cost for
internet access is $0, and Usenet is $4.95 per month.

Its nice to be able to view real time video. Never had it before.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:53 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:01:19 -0500, Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote:

Blink blink,...your reader doesnt simply mark them "read" and only
downloads the new ones???

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:54 pm
From: Wes

Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote:

I don't use Thunderbird, but if it is like the newsreader in the Netscape, Mozilla, Sea
Monkey chain, it really doesn't like newsgroups with a lot of content. That is if nothing
has changed since the last time I checked it out.

If you are on wintel, try a trial of Agent from www.forteinc.com I'm not saying they are
perfect but for fairly cheap, it works.

Wes

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 6:12 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Wes wrote:
>
> Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> wrote:
>
> >azotic wrote:
> >> Dear Valued Customer:
> >>
> >> Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service
> >> to our subscribers.
> >Well, Charter did that a number of years ago. They paid an outside
> >service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be
> >back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like
> >rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So,
> >I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get
> >the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for
> >the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never
> >works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back
> >to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs
> >down my computer when I open the newsgroups.
> >
> >Jon
>
> I don't use Thunderbird, but if it is like the newsreader in the Netscape, Mozilla, Sea
> Monkey chain, it really doesn't like newsgroups with a lot of content. That is if nothing
> has changed since the last time I checked it out.

I use the old Netscape 4.78 to read newsgroups. You can delete the
'SNM' file for a newsgroup when it becomes too large. The next time you
want to read that group it will create a new 'SNM' file. If you have it
set to only download unread headers, the new file will be quite small.

> If you are on wintel, try a trial of Agent from www.forteinc.com I'm not saying they are
> perfect but for fairly cheap, it works.
>
> Wes

--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

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TOPIC: Do TMT's mommies have two Glocks too?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6ace763e99837177?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:57 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:21:33 -0700, Klaus Shadenfreude
<klausshadenfreude@yahoo.com> wrote:

>[Default] On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:57:34 -0700, Hawke
><davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>
>>On 4/18/2010 6:00 PM, Klaus Shadenfreude wrote:
>>> [Default] On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:48:41 -0700, Hawke
>>> <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>>>
>>>> On 4/18/2010 6:50 AM, Klaus Shadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> [Default] On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:46:51 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>>>>> <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey conservatives...this guy actually shoots and I suspect is pretty
>>>>>> damn good at it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody really cares much what you "suspect."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just like nobody cares what you "think".
>>>
>>> Of course you don't. Leftists don't like to hear other opinions. They
>>> make camps for those kinds of people.
>>
>>
>>Not quite.
>
>Yes, quite.
>
>> Most of us are not "leftists"
>
>I know. I lot of you are just dumb cunts.

Ayup. They just look like Leftists. It the mental illness versus the
utter stupidity. They often resemble each other.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: OT - China factories break labor rules
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4c68428b9ea44569?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:58 pm
From: Wes

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
>have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

Starship Troopers? ;)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 6:14 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Wes wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
> >have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
>
> Starship Troopers? ;)

No, they went a lot further. You weren't a citizen if you didn't
serve.

--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

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TOPIC: water pipe corrosion
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/adce8997d52082fd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 5:59 pm
From: "ATP*"

"Karl Townsend" <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote in message
news:4bcdf70a$0$77551$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...
>
>
>>
>> Replace the system with common black poly. No rust. Cheap and easy.
>
> They don't make custom fittings out of plastic in six inch diameter. At
> least I've never seen them.
>
> Karl
>
What do you mean by custom? You can definitely replace it with PVC and
probably adapt to whatever you need:

http://www.idswater.com/water/us/jm_manufacturing/polyvinyl-chloride-pipes/13473_0/g_supplier_2.html

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TOPIC: Another gun, another nut...did they kill any of your family today?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/0842f8601a24df8c?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 6:02 pm
From: Tim Miller

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:08:38 -0700 (PDT), Siobhan Medeiros
> <sbm2010@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 20, 8:29 am, "Stormin Mormon"
>> <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Would it change anything if a member of your family was
>>> saved by a good citizen carrying a privately owned gun?
>>>
>> When did the last time that happened?
>
> a year ago, for me.
>
> Gunner
>

I see that gummer's fantasy life is as rich as ever...

LOL!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 6:19 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:56:50 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
<Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:

>
>
>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:hqkhbh$g8u$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Would it change anything if a member of your family was
>> saved by a good citizen carrying a privately owned gun?
>>
>
>It would only prolong TMT's agony of having to live in his mommies' (both of
>them) basement. He'll be down there forever.

Hell..he would have to loose 400 pounds just to climb the stairs.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 6:20 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:59:57 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
<Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:

>
>
>"Siobhan Medeiros" <sbm2010@telus.net> wrote in message
>news:01d29ae1-ddad-485d-83e9-18299674e1ae@v27g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 20, 8:29 am, "Stormin Mormon"
>> <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Would it change anything if a member of your family was
>>> saved by a good citizen carrying a privately owned gun?
>>>
>>
>> When did the last time that happened?
>
>Why it looks like just yesterday, thanks for asking!
>
>http://www.nraila.org/armedcitizen/Default.aspx
>
>Brian Blevins and his girlfriend were helping a friend move into an
>apartment in Indianapolis, Ind., when Christopher Hampton approached the
>group and asked if anyone had change for a $5 bill. Blevins told Hampton
>that there was change in the apartment and invited him inside. Once inside,
>Hampton drew a gun and attempted to rob Blevins. Blevins, a Right-to-Carry
>permit holder, drew his own gun and shot and killed Hampton.
>
>Indianapolis Police Sgt. Matthew Mount made it clear that charges against
>Blevins are unlikely, stating, "Everything looks like it was an act of
>self-defense." Hampton had been under GPS surveillance at the time of the
>attempted robbery, having been arrested earlier in the month for home
>invasion. (WRTV, Indianapolis, Ind. 04/19/10)
>
>
Very nice response!

<G>

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Harbor Freight helmet stopped working
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b0ff98cea141f277?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 6:02 pm
From: Sano

"Bill McKee" <bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:ZqadnfGNPoJyIFHWnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

> You will not go blind from it not darkening. Temporarily you will be
> blinded due to the brightness, but the lens will still block the UV
> rays. Which do the real damage. I would check the batteries. My
> Jackson helmet would not turn on, and the batteries were dead or
> weak. It also charges from the sun or welding, but I spent about $8
> at Walmart for two more batteries.

Thank you, glad you brought that up. ;)

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TOPIC: how to clamp pipe vertically to milling table?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/c13f73f2cbeb77af?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 20 2010 6:13 pm
From: Wes

RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote:

>If you have 2-4-6 blocks you could bolt them together at right angles to
>make a Vee-block.

I've never thought of that. I wish someone that knows the many uses of 1-2-3 and 2-4-6
blocks would give a dissertation on their creative use.

Wes

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