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TOPIC: The Obama Economy
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 12:21 am
From: sittingduck

Hawke wrote:

> That is what leadership is all about. Obama is leading. At this point
> qualifications are meaningless. He has the job, he has his agenda, and
> he's working to make it happen. He knew from day one he was going to
> have people like you who do not want him to make the changes he intended
> to make. What you and your gang don't understand is that you are not the
> majority anymore. You are part of the minority. Your side was soundly
> defeated in the last presidential election. You are supposed to take
> turns. When your side wins, like with Bush, you get to do what you think
> is best. When your side loses your opponents get to do what they think
> is best, whether you like it or not. What you are not supposed to do is
> try to destroy the other side when you have been voted out.
> Unfortunately, the right wing doesn't want to get that. Maybe that is
> why you have to do it Obama's way now. We tried it your way for eight
> years and it it turned out like crap. So quit the belly-aching and try
> to win in the next election. Sour grapes has gotten you nowhere.

Fuckin-A!

--
Rationality belongs to the cool observer, but because of the stupidity of
the average man, he follows not reason but faith - Reinhold Niebuhr

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 2:05 am
From: Cliff

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:55:23 -0700, Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>
>> Former Gov. Sarah Palin called studies supporting global climate change a "bunch
>> of snake oil science" Monday during a rare appearance in California, a state
>> that has been at the forefront of environmental regulations. Palin spoke before
>> a logging conference in Redding, a town of 90,000 about 160 miles north of the
>> state capital. The media were barred from the event, but The Associated Press
>> bought a $74 ticket to attend.
>> ....
>> She criticized what she said were heavy-handed environmental laws. As Alaska
>> governor, for example, she said she sued the federal government to overturn the
>> listing of polar bears as a threatened species.
>> ....
>> "And it didn't make any sense because it was based on these global warming
>> studies that now we're seeing (is) a bunch of snake oil science."
>> ....
>> "The weather will not change with the proposals," she said.
>> ]
>>
>> Nary a clue. Not a one.
>>
>>> Even if one's view on global warming is opposed to the current prevailing
>>> theory, it is unwise to dismiss it summarily---but this is lost on Ms.
>>> Palin. She has her gut feeling and she's preaching to her circlejerk
>>> choir, and rest of the world be damned.
>>
>> Alaska already has climate refugees.
>
>
>Redding, Ca. is only 70 miles north of where I live. I wouldn't spend a
>minute driving or a nickel for a ticket to see Sarah Palin. She's a
>perfect example of what you call an "airhead". She should be a blond.

She might be. Anybody checked both ends?

But if so it would be a disservice to blonds worldwide.

>She's nothing more than an ignorant, bible thumping, self promoting,
>egotist. No wonder she's the darling of the right wing.

I'd like to see her trying to chew gum.

>
>Hawke
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Cliff

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 1:42 am
From: Dänk 1010011010

On Apr 11, 8:54 am, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>
> news:t140s519biitckhrqqgo0506h5f1k22294@4ax.com...
>
> > Leading indicators ....
>
> > The DJIA hit 11,000. That's better than any day under bushco
> > (see rethug economy disasters) and almost back in Clinton era
> > numbers already (after only about a year).
>
> Really, liar? Let's compare Obama's imaginary 11,000 to Bush's real 14,000.
> Or maybe to the entire year before Obama announced he would seek his party's
> nomination and tanked the economy.

Don't forget that currency devaluation makes the raw numbers
meaningless. The Dow Jones average is simply an average price of
selected stocks, denominated in dollars. Double the number of dollars
in circulation, and the price of stocks - and everything else -
doubles as well.

Now suppose you were to calculate the value of stocks in euros or
ounces of gold or barrels of oil, then the Dow Jones average may not
have increased at all.

Currency devaluation is a favorite of tin-pot dictators, since the
increased currency units in circulation creates an illusion of
wealth. Double the number of dollars or pesos or bolivars in
circulation, and government revenues double, budgets double, salaries
and stock prices double, and so on. The actual VALUE (purchasing
power) of the currency units declines, but this does not matter
because people think they are getting 'free' money. It also allows
politicians to avoid raising taxes, since the devaluation reduces
purchasing power exactly the same as higher taxes.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 2:10 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"D�nk 1010011010" <dank420@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:937a6c1c-7f8e-4a3f-8c18-47b1dd5aee6c@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 11, 8:54 am, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>
> news:t140s519biitckhrqqgo0506h5f1k22294@4ax.com...
>
> > Leading indicators ....
>
> > The DJIA hit 11,000. That's better than any day under bushco
> > (see rethug economy disasters) and almost back in Clinton era
> > numbers already (after only about a year).
>
> Really, liar? Let's compare Obama's imaginary 11,000 to Bush's real
> 14,000.
> Or maybe to the entire year before Obama announced he would seek his
> party's
> nomination and tanked the economy.

>Don't forget that currency devaluation makes the raw numbers
>meaningless. The Dow Jones average is simply an average price of
>selected stocks, denominated in dollars. Double the number of dollars
>in circulation, and the price of stocks - and everything else -
>doubles as well.

Horseshit. 'Back to basic monetary economics for you.

>Now suppose you were to calculate the value of stocks in euros or
>ounces of gold or barrels of oil, then the Dow Jones average may not
>have increased at all.

Then look up the numbers and see if you're right. More horseshit...

>Currency devaluation is a favorite of tin-pot dictators, since the
>increased currency units in circulation creates an illusion of
>wealth. Double the number of dollars or pesos or bolivars in
>circulation, and government revenues double, budgets double, salaries
>and stock prices double, and so on.

Here's the dollars in circulation since 1980:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M2?cid=29

Now, show us where revenues, salaries, and so on have doubled since 2000.

> The actual VALUE (purchasing
>power) of the currency units declines, but this does not matter
>because people think they are getting 'free' money. It also allows
>politicians to avoid raising taxes, since the devaluation reduces
>purchasing power exactly the same as higher taxes.

You don't understand inflation. Please learn about velocity and money growth
relative to output.

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Ed Huntress

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 4:10 am
From: Cliff

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:42:10 -0700 (PDT), Dänk 1010011010
<dank420@rocketmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 11, 8:54 am, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>
>> news:t140s519biitckhrqqgo0506h5f1k22294@4ax.com...
>>
>> > Leading indicators ....
>>
>> > The DJIA hit 11,000. That's better than any day under bushco
>> > (see rethug economy disasters) and almost back in Clinton era
>> > numbers already (after only about a year).
>>
>> Really, liar? Let's compare Obama's imaginary 11,000 to Bush's real 14,000.
>> Or maybe to the entire year before Obama announced he would seek his party's
>> nomination and tanked the economy.
>
>Don't forget that currency devaluation makes the raw numbers
>meaningless. The Dow Jones average is simply an average price of
>selected stocks, denominated in dollars. Double the number of dollars
>in circulation, and the price of stocks - and everything else -
>doubles as well.
>
>Now suppose you were to calculate the value of stocks in euros or
>ounces of gold or barrels of oil, then the Dow Jones average may not
>have increased at all.
>
>Currency devaluation is a favorite of tin-pot dictators, since the
>increased currency units in circulation creates an illusion of
>wealth. Double the number of dollars or pesos or bolivars in
>circulation, and government revenues double, budgets double, salaries
>and stock prices double, and so on. The actual VALUE (purchasing
>power) of the currency units declines, but this does not matter
>because people think they are getting 'free' money. It also allows
>politicians to avoid raising taxes, since the devaluation reduces
>purchasing power exactly the same as higher taxes.

How much inflation have you seen since buchco?

But we do need to get the median real wage up .. it
fell all the time under bushco while the very rich got richer.
We needed more right-wing billionaires, right?
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Just a heads up....
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 1:51 am
From: Cliff

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:28:27 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>Laugh laugh laugh

Yeah, the teabaggers hate free speach.
Just like any crowd of whining dumb wingers.
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Cliff

== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 1:52 am
From: Cliff

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:28:27 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>Im simply nutz eh?

That was never in question.
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Cliff

== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 1:57 am
From: Cliff

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:54:58 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>And when one considers that the members of the military
>votes 80+% conservative....

Hence the rethugs tried so hard to not count (or block) their votes
in Florida, Ohio, ..... and partly did.
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Cliff

== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 1:58 am
From: Cliff

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:55:57 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>On November 19, 2000, we discovered that there are no limits to what
>Democrats will do to win an election.

Like wanting to count the votes ....
I see.
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Cliff

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 2:00 am
From: Cliff

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:55:57 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>Disenfranchised Defenders
>Avoiding a repeat of 2000.
>
>On November 19, 2000, we discovered that there are no limits to what
>Democrats will do to win an election. The same Democrats who so often
>and so loudly protest any real or imagined threat to a minority's right
>to vote had desperately worked to disenfranchise a minority group
>thought to be friendly to the other side.
>
>With the presidential election hanging by a loose chad in Palm Beach
>County, Florida, Dems launched their campaign to disenfranchise military
>absentee voters. The memo instructing Democratic election canvassers on
>the best means to do so — authored by lawyer Mark Herron — fell into the
>hands of a Republican worker, and the Drudge Report promptly published
>it.

Stuff was from Rove & crew.
It leaked out if you were paying any attention.
Made news reports ....

gummer lies again.
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Cliff

== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 2:02 am
From: Cliff

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:55:57 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>On March 17, Rumsfeld sent a memo to the Joint Chiefs and Combatant
>Commanders telling them how the services will make sure all military
>members — and their family members — who are overseas, or stationed here
>but are away from home, get the chance to vote, and vote so that no Mark
>Herrons can disenfranchise them.

Vote rethug, eh?
LOL ..
--
Cliff

== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 1:09 am
From: Andrew VK3BFA

On Apr 15, 4:28 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Spec...
>
> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
> Nov-elections
>
> Im simply nutz eh?
>
> Laugh laugh laugh
>
> Gunner
>
> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> the subject." Grey Ghost

Bloody Hell Gunner - the world must be a truly frightening place for
you....... conspiracies, people thinking your just plain nuts,
spending too much time alone in the desert, clinging to 1960's work
practices, your own private junkyard..... - not healthy mate. .You
thought about getting counseling, I think your VA people could
organise something......BTW - who the F is Grey Ghost, I asked him, no
reply. Google him, its only your quotes.....

Andrew VK3BFA.

== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 2:20 am
From: Cliff

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Andrew VK3BFA <VK3BFA@wia.org.au>
wrote:

>On Apr 15, 4:28�am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Spec...
>>
>> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
>> Nov-elections
>>
>> Im simply nutz eh?
>>
>> Laugh laugh laugh
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>> "First Law of Leftist Debate
>> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
>> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
>> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
>> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
>> homophobe approaches infinity.
>>
>> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
>> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
>> the subject." �Grey Ghost
>
>Bloody Hell Gunner - the world must be a truly frightening place for
>you....... conspiracies, people thinking your just plain nuts,
>spending too much time alone in the desert, clinging to 1960's work
>practices, your own private junkyard..... - not healthy mate. .You
>thought about getting counseling, I think your VA people could
>organise something......

Probably not.
They never heard of him.

Civil commitment ....

>BTW - who the F is Grey Ghost, I asked him, no
>reply. Google him, its only your quotes.....
>
>Andrew VK3BFA.
--
Cliff

== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 1:43 am
From: Wes

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>>>Maryland?
>>
>> Nah, gotta keep those undesirables from Cook county Ill from invading my
>> state.
>>
>> I'm waiting for our Southern friends to pipe up about protecting their
>> northern borders.
>> ;)
>>
>> Wes
>
>They tried that once before, didn't they? d8-)

I think tried once without a manufacturing base to support their efforts. ^o)

Wes

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 2:02 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Wes" <ClutchAtLycosDotCom@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:EkAxn.257986$Vq1.76475@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>>>Maryland?
>>>
>>> Nah, gotta keep those undesirables from Cook county Ill from invading my
>>> state.
>>>
>>> I'm waiting for our Southern friends to pipe up about protecting their
>>> northern borders.
>>> ;)
>>>
>>> Wes
>>
>>They tried that once before, didn't they? d8-)
>
>
> I think tried once without a manufacturing base to support their efforts.
> ^o)
>
> Wes

Now they can defend themselves with Toyotas and Hyundais -- if they can get
enough parts from Asia...

--
Ed Huntress

== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 2:52 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Andrew VK3BFA
<VK3BFA@wia.org.au> wrote:

>On Apr 15, 4:28 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Spec...
>>
>> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
>> Nov-elections
>>
>> Im simply nutz eh?
>>
>> Laugh laugh laugh
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>> "First Law of Leftist Debate
>> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
>> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
>> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
>> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
>> homophobe approaches infinity.
>>
>> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
>> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
>> the subject." Grey Ghost
>
>Bloody Hell Gunner - the world must be a truly frightening place for
>you....... conspiracies, people thinking your just plain nuts,
>spending too much time alone in the desert, clinging to 1960's work
>practices, your own private junkyard..... - not healthy mate. .You
>thought about getting counseling, I think your VA people could
>organise something......BTW - who the F is Grey Ghost, I asked him, no
>reply. Google him, its only your quotes.....
>
>Andrew VK3BFA.

Actually lad..Im having a rather good time here. I can get the
Leftwingers all riled up and barfing up drool and spew by the gallon.
Watching them demonstrate their mental illnesses, their dishonesty, and
their buffoonery, not to mention their utter stupidity..nay..showing to
one and all just how bloody worthless they are...its fun indeed.

Now you on the other hand...shrug...I understand that you are a bit
"off" mentally, probably te result of a head injury or some dread
disease as a child..and of course have little or no comprehension about
"how things work" in the US, even though you try to make everyone
believe you have a clue.

But..I still rather enjoy reading your fantasies and you do mean well.

Shrug

Gunner

== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 4:12 am
From: Cliff

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:52:26 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>Actually lad..Im having a rather good time here.

New meds?
--
Cliff

== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 4:13 am
From: Cliff

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:52:26 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can get the
>Leftwingers all riled up and barfing up drool and spew by the gallon.

Hence most of us are in his killfiles.
Right.
--
Cliff

== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 3:16 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:43:15 -0400, Wes <ClutchAtLycosDotCom@Gmail.com>
wrote:

>"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>>>Maryland?
>>>
>>> Nah, gotta keep those undesirables from Cook county Ill from invading my
>>> state.
>>>
>>> I'm waiting for our Southern friends to pipe up about protecting their
>>> northern borders.
>>> ;)
>>>
>>> Wes
>>
>>They tried that once before, didn't they? d8-)
>
>
>I think tried once without a manufacturing base to support their efforts. ^o)
>
>Wes

True indeed.

However..that has changed significantly..reversed in fact. It would seem
that manufacturing in the southern states is virutally on the same level
or more than the northern states now.

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 1:03 am
From: Andrew VK3BFA

On Apr 15, 3:17 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:52:21 -0700 (PDT), Andrew VK3BFA
>
>
>
> <VK3...@wia.org.au> wrote:
> >On Apr 11, 7:06 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 07:15:36 -0700 (PDT),AndrewVK3BFA
>
> >> <VK3...@wia.org.au> wrote:
> >> >Yep, would work - but why? - you've bypassed the fundamental design
> >> >objective of a "Cordless" drill.
>
> >> Well...if one has to lug a small battery pack around, versus running
> >> 150' of extension cord across the landscape.....has it really bypassed
> >> the fundimental design?
>
> >> Gunner
>
> >Yep, for 2 reasons.....
> >Your a professional Gunner - it is expected you have a working
> >cordless drill. And if your going to drill more than a few little
> >holes, then you have to use a powered drill anyway.
>
> Why? Granted..I do have both professional grade cordless and wired
> drills in my truck, some applications pretty much beg for long lasting
> cordless drills. For example, putting together a steel shed kit.
>
> I did that a year ago last November, prior to my medical issues. Took
> me 12 hours of labor to assemble it. The shed was 150 feet from the
> nearest power source so I used one of my 18vlt cordless drills. It
> should have taken me 10hrs or less simply because I was running out of
> battery regularly. There was no power on the site, I should mention as
> well.
>
> Doing further work, I had to bring one of my several gennies out there
> and it was a pain in the ass to listen to it running 8 hrs a day. Not
> to mention..the fuel and wear costs.
>
> >Your power cables should be on reels for easy deployment/recovery
> >anyway, so its no great drama to run them out. In the back of your
> >truck, near the back door for easy access. I found that the plastic
> >spools that MIG wire comes on are great, fairly bit internal diameter
> >so don't crimp or stress the cable.
>
> >Andrew VK3BFA.
>
> And plug them into what? While I do have a 3000 watt inverter in the
> van..I dont drive the van all that often. Not at 15mpg.
>
> Gunner
>
> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> the subject." Grey Ghost

Sigh......maybe you need to look at your work practices, this is not
politics where ideology can excuse anything. Its 2010 Gunner - think
about how you do things.......
Andrew VK3BFA.

1st Law of Rightist Debate - find an obscure quote from someone who is
totally unknown, appropriate it for your own use. Bullshit baffles
brains, as we say here in OZ.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 2:16 am
From: Cliff

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:46:36 GMT, Jerry Wass <wassbiplane@tds.net> wrote:

>I vote for the phenolic spacer--paper or linen is the usual
>reinforcing---Have seen gobs of it in ball bearings---Jerry

A note on Nylon.
It picks up water & swells; IIRC it can pickup up
to 10% by weight ... probably not for use in critical
applications exposed to water-based fluids.
--
Cliff

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 1:41 am
From: adsodamelk

Feed screws:
Tool slide screw is a 6 thread for inch, i think is a acme, isn't it?
Both table screw, vertical and horizontal are 4 thread for inch.

They are imperial. Bat all assemble bolts and nuts are metric, i'm
sure because i have replace a lot of them.

The dial of tool slide is wrong. It say 4,5 mm a turn instead of
4,23 , i.e. 1/6" .

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 2:12 am
From: David Billington

Jim Wilkins wrote:
> On Apr 14, 9:10 pm, "William Wixon" <wwi...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>> ...
>>
>> like how they hold a champagne cork in, but bigger, upside down, and of
>> chain instead of wire. :-)
>>
>> b.w.
>>
>
> If beer had those corks we'd all understand you.
>
> jsw
>
Some do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi%C3%A8re_de_Garde . I understand.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 2:13 am
From: "Sharx35"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:drcds5hrar56904e9qlnrlmnjl7o3h3vph@4ax.com...
> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE63D09120100415?type=usDollarRpt
> "China's economy began 2010 at a cracking pace, logging surprisingly
> strong
> 11.9 percent year-on-year growth in the first quarter ..."
>
> Dang communists!!
> Communism will never work, eh, gummer?
> Can you get a job there?
> --
> Cliff

It is NOT communism they have in China--it is DICTATORSHIP, for starters.
The elite/Communist party members do very well in their modified capitalism
system. It is a dictatorship that will go down in history as being one of
the TOP FIVE of all tyrannical, despotic cruel governments, rivaled by
Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia.

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TOPIC: Is it me?
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Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 2:58 am
From: "kfvorwerk@gmail.com"

On Apr 14, 5:20 am, "Steve B" <deserttrave...@dishynail.net> wrote:
> I see lots of ads on TV for cordless drills. In almost every case, they are
> chucked up to a simple #2 Phillips bit. Why is that? Don't they know about
> all the quick change extensions? I have used just a bit in a pinch, but
> many times, the chuck runs into the wood or something else. Plus there is
> no slider to hold the screws until they get started. Do you use an
> extension or not? I almost always do.
>
> Steve

slider extension
Karl

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Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 3:09 am
From: "Rob H."

Need some help with the unusual shovel this week:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/

Rob

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