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TOPIC: OT: Ivy "feet" adhesive removal
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:35 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Lewis Hartswick wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > You should have bought those little lambs when you had the chance!
> > ;-)
> >
> >
>
> Boy does that go back a ways. :-)
> How about the Kid too?
> ...lew...

Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?
Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

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TOPIC: OT: [OT] That was funny!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bae1b5ba237c255b?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:36 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:15:34 -0400, "Steve W." <csr684@NOTyahoo.com>
wrote:

>Winston wrote:
>> On 4/11/2010 2:14 PM, Wes wrote:
>>> Winston<Winston@bigbrother.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It works a treat and inspires confidence. I wonder what
>>>> other tricks people employ to remember stuff.
>>>
>>> As far as knowing the day, I try to remember to put my cell phone in
>>> my pocket. Thankfully
>>> it complains if the charge gets low.
>>>
>>> I tend to email myself notes. Either work to home or home to work
>>> depending on where I'll
>>> be when I want to jog my memory.
>>>
>>> Wes
>>
>> Yup. I leave myself answering-machine messages as well.
>>
>> --Winston
>
>
>I have a few memory aids, the one I used the most was simple:
>
>Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Violet Gives Willingly for Gold or
>Silver...
>
>Anyone else remember that one?

Crom yes..I use it at least once a week!

Anyone remember...

The Angle of the dangle
In direct proportion to the heat of the meat
Causes the size of the rise
And the mass of the ass
To remain constant

Or...

The angle of the dangle is proportional to
the heat of the meat,
the square of the hair, and
the cube of the pube.

And what it was used for?

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:40 pm
From: Winston

On 4/14/2010 10:38 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:30:05 -0700, the infamous Winston
> <Winston@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:

(...)

>> So I used their WiFi hot spot to call SWMBO over VoIP using my PDA.
>
> We telephony Luddites would have gone over to the white phone on the
> wall (just like airports) and had them page the missing party.

None available.

> I can't see paying over $100 a month to do internet on a 3" screen.
> I really and truly can't.

WiFi doesn't cost me anything.
Santa Clara, CA has WiFi available free-for-nothing throughout many
portions of the city. And of course there are the coffee shops.

Free is a good price, yes?

--Winston

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:50 pm
From: Winston

On 4/14/2010 1:15 PM, Steve W. wrote:
(...)

> I have a few memory aids, the one I used the most was simple:
>
> Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Violet Gives Willingly for Gold or
> Silver...
>
> Anyone else remember that one?

OhHeckYa

But somehow I never needed that mnemonic because I used the
color code so often that it became second nature.

I wanna build a clock that has an RMA readout some day.

2:35 would be Red - Orange - Green with the seconds bars
doing Black, Brown, Red ... Green - Gray, Green - White, Black ...

Sorta like this but geekier:
http://hackaday.com/2010/01/15/know-your-resistors-tell-the-time/

--Winston

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 9:12 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Winston wrote:
>
> On 4/14/2010 1:15 PM, Steve W. wrote:
> (...)
>
> > I have a few memory aids, the one I used the most was simple:
> >
> > Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Violet Gives Willingly for Gold or
> > Silver...
> >
> > Anyone else remember that one?
>
> OhHeckYa
>
> But somehow I never needed that mnemonic because I used the
> color code so often that it became second nature.
>
> I wanna build a clock that has an RMA readout some day.
>
> 2:35 would be Red - Orange - Green with the seconds bars
> doing Black, Brown, Red ... Green - Gray, Green - White, Black ...
>
> Sorta like this but geekier:
> http://hackaday.com/2010/01/15/know-your-resistors-tell-the-time/

How about a binary clock?

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

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TOPIC: replacing belt on colchester clausing lathe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1780db03e988652b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:37 pm
From: "T.Alan Kraus"

On 4/13/2010 4:57 AM, Ignoramus11847 wrote:
> On 2010-04-13, T.Alan Kraus<soundadv@sonic.net> wrote:
>> Does anyone know the procedure for replacing the main drive belt on a
>> VS13 Colchester Clausing lathe?
>> This is the big drive belt that drives the variable speed pulley, not
>> the two smaller sized v belts that drive the headstock gearbox.
>
> Clausing should have a manual that explains the procedure.
>
> i
No explanation from Clausing, but I finally figured it out , but it took
the help of another pair of hands.
cheers

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TOPIC: Is it me?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f5258a0f1fcd2347?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:37 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:01:54 -0700, the infamous "Artemus"
> <bogus@invalid.org> scrawled the following:
>
> >
> >"Steve B" <deserttraveler@dishynail.net> wrote in message
> >news:b33h97-bv3.ln1@news.infowest.com...
> >> I see lots of ads on TV for cordless drills. In almost every case, they are
> >> chucked up to a simple #2 Phillips bit. Why is that? Don't they know about
> >> all the quick change extensions? I have used just a bit in a pinch, but
> >> many times, the chuck runs into the wood or something else. Plus there is
> >> no slider to hold the screws until they get started. Do you use an
> >> extension or not? I almost always do.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >
> >Because TV ads are generally created/approved by liberal arts graduates who
> >can only think in terms of what "looks good" to them. The douchebags who
> >did the ad you're referring to probably don't know which end of a screwdriver
> >is the handle much less anything about quick change adapters.
>
> Remember the Crapsman ad for their new vicegrip product? they showed
> some absolute bozo shearing metal off the nut on a bicycle axle with
> the pliers on backwards. It only showed a few times before it was
> removed, but I was on the floor laughing from it every time I saw it,
> thinking how well it fit the current crap Searz is foisting on the
> public.

Didn't you hear? You can go to Kmart to be ripped off with Crapsman.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

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TOPIC: Battery drill external battery pack
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/2a3b10825de0128f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:52 pm
From: Andrew VK3BFA

On Apr 11, 7:06 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 07:15:36 -0700 (PDT),AndrewVK3BFA
>
> <VK3...@wia.org.au> wrote:
> >Yep, would work - but why? - you've bypassed the fundamental design
> >objective of a "Cordless" drill.
>
> Well...if one has to lug a small battery pack around, versus running
> 150' of extension cord across the landscape.....has it really bypassed
> the fundimental design?
>
> Gunner
>
>
Yep, for 2 reasons.....
Your a professional Gunner - it is expected you have a working
cordless drill. And if your going to drill more than a few little
holes, then you have to use a powered drill anyway.
Your power cables should be on reels for easy deployment/recovery
anyway, so its no great drama to run them out. In the back of your
truck, near the back door for easy access. I found that the plastic
spools that MIG wire comes on are great, fairly bit internal diameter
so don't crimp or stress the cable.

Andrew VK3BFA.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:56 pm
From: Andrew VK3BFA

On Apr 13, 11:47 pm, John Husvar <jhus...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In article <hq08sv$di...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That's very clever. Is it dificult to carry around?
>
> In a good backpack, probably not. It's only around 60 pounds.:)
>
>
>
> > --
> > Christopher A. Young
> > Learn more about Jesus
> > www.lds.org
> > .
>
> > "RBnDFW" <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:hpvfb5$98s$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > > Ive got one like that I use camping and such. I also have
> > > a 100 amp
> > > deep discharge battery I can use with it. I helped a
> > > neighbor build a
> > > storage building kit last fall. He didnt believe it when I
> > > told him I
> > > could put the whole thing together on one charge.HeHe.
>
> > My drill battery was a deep cycle group 27 that was no
> > longer usable as
> > a trolling battery, but in it's crippled state it worked
> > great for my
> > 9.6-volt drill

Your mad - lugging a 60lb pack around so you can drill holes???? - you
must be a lot younger and fitter than I..
Andrew VK3BFA.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:58 pm
From: Andrew VK3BFA

On Apr 13, 9:40 pm, alan...@iinet.net.oz wrote:
> I fixed all the drywall screws in my previous house with a Ryobi
> battery drill, ran on the supplied battery until flat, then plugged in
> a home made cable and a 12 V car battery. There was no mains power
> until all the walls were completed. I also built all the kitchen
> cabinets using the same drill. The benchtops were laminated 2 x 1
> Jarrah, glued and screwed with the 2" vertical. Cupboard doors were
> T&G matchboard inserted into a 3 x 1 external frame, 24 of them!
>
> Alan

Thats good -works because you don't have to lug it around except from
room to room. Will mentally file that one away...
Andrew VK3BFA

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TOPIC: Even the gays are for Palin
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:53 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Apr 14, 10:16 pm, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b42870ce-e736-467e-8545-cfa35bbd375b@i12g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 14, 6:39 pm, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
> >> As evidenced in the lower picture of the 2010 Boston Tea Party. Woo hoo!
> >> Obama's buying Subaru's for everybody!
>
> >>http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/12512.html
>
> > LOL...it is about time you came out.
>
> > You have a lot of company in the gay Republican community.
>
> > Are you wearing your Larry Craig pin yet?
>
> > TMT
>
> Note how of all the posts TMT (the she-male) could have responded to, she
> chose this one.

LOL...is it wrong for me to be happy for you?

Has Mark Fowley called to 'congratulate' you?

TMT

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TOPIC: Just a heads up....
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 8:59 pm
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:13b4d7b0-218e-4fa4-a02c-df745fdd87be@i37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 14, 4:36 pm, Deucalion <some...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:27:42 -0500, RBnDFW <burkhei...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >John R. Carroll wrote:
>> >> Deucalion wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
>> >>> <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2:28 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Spec...
>>
>> >>>>> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
>> >>>>> Nov-elections
>>
>> >>>>> Im simply nutz eh?
>>
>> >>>>> Laugh laugh laugh
>>
>> >>>>> Gunner
>>
>> >>>> Yes, you are simply nuts.
>> >>> Just another thing to thank George Bush for I guess. Once the
>> >>> government receives a new power, they hardly ever relinquish it. It's
>> >>> a one-way street.
>>
>> >>> BTW, gunner's heads up is about two years too late. But, it was a
>> >>> good thing in gunnerland when Bush started and implemented it.
>>
>> >>>http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9869
>>
>> >>> Be Wary of Using Military as Police
>>
>> >>> by Gene Healy and Benjamin H. Friedman
>>
>> >>> Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute and author of
>> >>> The
>> >>> Cult of the Presidency: America's Dangerous Devotion to Executive
>> >>> Power. Benjamin H. Friedman is research fellow in defense and
>> >>> homeland
>> >>> security studies at the Cato Institute and a PhD candidate in
>> >>> political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
>>
>> >>> Added to cato.org on December 26, 2008
>>
>> >>> This article appeared in the Orange County Register on December 26,
>> >>> 2008
>>
>> >>> The mainstream media has finally gotten around to reporting that the
>> >>> Pentagon has assigned active-duty troops to a homeland defense
>> >>> mission, a historical first. On Oct. 1, the 3rd Infantry Division's
>> >>> 1st Brigade Combat Team, freshly redeployed from Iraq, began a
>> >>> year-long assignment as a domestic "chemical, biological,
>> >>> radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive Consequence Management
>> >>> Response Force," or CCMRF ("Sea-Smurf"). The 1st BCT is the first of
>> >>> three CCMRF teams, who will comprise 15,000-20,000 soldiers,
>> >>> according
>> >>> to the Army. The other two will come from the Army National Guard or
>> >>> reserves.
>>
>> >Ok, so as long as they are available, let's send them down to our
>> >Southern border for some real Homeland Security duties
>>
>> No. They need to be kept free so that they can be used at a moments
>> notice. It's quite possible that they may be used against the very
>> people who brought them into existence.
>
> Their mothers?
>
>> Wouldn't that be a hoot to watch?
>
> I can't say it would. You're kind of goofy.

He's a douche bag.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 9:55 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:19:41 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed
<hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> Indeed it will. And when one considers that the members of the military
>> votes 80+% conservative....
>
>Bob Brock and the rest of The Bobs and former Bobs were telling us
>that the military was liberal.
>
>Maybe he was thinking of reservists.

Disenfranchised Defenders
Avoiding a repeat of 2000.

On November 19, 2000, we discovered that there are no limits to what
Democrats will do to win an election. The same Democrats who so often
and so loudly protest any real or imagined threat to a minority's right
to vote had desperately worked to disenfranchise a minority group
thought to be friendly to the other side.

With the presidential election hanging by a loose chad in Palm Beach
County, Florida, Dems launched their campaign to disenfranchise military
absentee voters. The memo instructing Democratic election canvassers on
the best means to do so — authored by lawyer Mark Herron — fell into the
hands of a Republican worker, and the Drudge Report promptly published
it.

The Herron memo stated postmark and "point of origin" criteria Herron
maintained could be used to invalidate military ballots. Conveniently,
the memo attached a form that could be duplicated and used to protest
the validity of individual ballots. By the time the Herron memo made
headlines, the Dems were challenging more than 1,500 absentee ballots
(which grew to more than 2,400) mostly from soldiers overseas. This was
almost three times the number of votes — 537 — that proved to be Bush's
margin of victory. Had the Herron scam succeeded, and protests against
those votes been sustained, Al Gore would be in the White House today.

This problem is not unique to Florida, and it didn't just happen in
2000. According to the results of a survey by the Reserve Officers'
Association, ROA estimates that the disenfranchisement rate among
military personnel who try to vote in Florida, Missouri, and South
Carolina is 40-45 percent.

It's not the hypocrisy of what the Florida Dems did that still rankles;
what's most bothersome is who they tried to do it to. Every American has
the right to vote, but were it not for the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen,
Marines, and Coast Guardsmen who put themselves in harm's way, none of
us would have that right. The warriors and their families have long
memories, and this time they're determined to vote.

For once, at the insistence of Don Rumsfeld, the folks in Fort Fumble
are acting, not reacting, to solve this problem before it repeats
itself.

On March 17, Rumsfeld sent a memo to the Joint Chiefs and Combatant
Commanders telling them how the services will make sure all military
members — and their family members — who are overseas, or stationed here
but are away from home, get the chance to vote, and vote so that no Mark
Herrons can disenfranchise them.

At the heart of Rumsfeld's plan is putting some teeth into the old
Voting Assistance Officer idea. On top of it is a strategy — now
underway — to use both the internet and the Postal Service effectively
to help servicemen and their families request absentee ballots and get
them returned in time to be counted. Last Friday, I spoke to Charlie
Abell, principal deputy undersecretary of Defense for personnel and
readiness. He's the guy who's leading the charge to protect the rights
of military voters and their families.

Abell told me that this is a very high priority for DoD, because it's a
very high priority for the troops and their families, who have a much
higher voter turnout — proportionally — than the general population. He
said, "We know from sampling from the Federal Election Commission [and
other sources] that in year 2000, about 51 percent of the general public
voted. We know from our surveys that about 75 percent of the worldwide
uniformed services military...voted." Over the years, the DoD data show
— unsurprisingly — that those who fight for the right to vote take that
right more seriously than other Americans.

About 200,000 military personnel who tried to vote in 1988 didn't
because they didn't get their absentee ballots at all, or got them too
late to send them back in. Now absentee ballots will be separated from
regular mail and sent both ways — to the soldier, and back to be counted
— faster than the normal military mail. According to Abell, the Postal
Service has agreed to pick up ballots directly from the local precincts
and ballot offices, separate them into special containers, and send them
by Priority Mail to the absentee military members. Return mail will work
the same way. In the 2000 election, many military absentee ballots were
disallowed because they lacked postmarks, which aren't a requirement.
Now, to make sure there's no repeat of this chicanery, military postal
workers are being ordered to hand-cancel every ballot that is sent out
to show clearly when it was mailed. Sorry, Mr. Herron: You'll have to
think up another scam this time.

Rumsfeld's initiative is trying to reach all 1.4 million active-duty
members as well as 1.3 million military family members, the majority of
whom are living away from home, either overseas or stateside. And this
initiative is serious: Every military unit, small or large, has a Voting
Assistance Officer whose job it is to let the soldiers know how they can
get their absentee ballots, and then help them do so. Abell told me that
the goal was for the ratio to be one Voting Assistance Officer for every
unit of 25 to 50 people.

The plan's niftiest aspect is the use of the internet to enable soldiers
to request absentee ballots — and then to download the actual ballot to
fill out and send in. Right now, any soldier or family member can
download the Federal Post Card Application from the government website
designed to help all overseas voters and send it in. Better still, the
Defense Department is getting all the state-ballot request forms and the
ballots themselves loaded onto the system. Most of the states are
cooperating by allowing internet and even faxed ballot requests.

Rumsfeld's memo says, "I want to ensure each service member is handed
the Federal Post Card Application and is offered assistance in
completing the form if needed." Voting Assistance Officers will help
fill out the request forms and — when soldiers ask — help them properly
fill out and mail back the actual ballots. Rumsfeld has tasked the
commanders to designate October 11-15 as Absentee Voting Week. If the
ballots are mailed by October 15, they'll all be where they need to be
in time to be counted. And that is the ultimate goal.

That goal will conflict directly with the coming repeats of the Herron
Florida scam. If you think the Dems won't attack military absentee
ballots in 2004, think again. Military voters are more Republican than
Democrat, and much more conservative than liberal. The Dems know that,
and I don't doubt that they will do this year what they tried to do in
2000.

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot; An' it's
Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please; An' Tommy ain't a
bloomin' fool — you bet that Tommy sees!

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 9:58 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:28:27 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-Nov-elections
>
>
>Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
>Nov-elections
>
>Im simply nutz eh?
>
>
>Laugh laugh laugh
>
>
>Gunner

A brigade of 80,000 troops? That's field army size, bigger than any
brigade, regiment, division or even corps I've ever heard of.

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TOPIC: Heat/air for small garage/shop
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 9:04 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:32:47 -0700 (PDT), stryped <stryped1@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 14, 3:23 pm, RBnDFW <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> stryped wrote:
>> > I have been looking around at used heat/air conditioners for my garage/
>> > shop. It is not used all the time, mainly on weekends currently. It is
>> > a 30x30x10 metal building with 2x4 walls in the inside and 2x4 trusses
>> > on the ceiling.
>>
>> > I found a local heating air guy that has an 80's 3 ton unit that he
>> > says was workign when pulled out of the house. The owner wanted to
>> > upgrade. But, it is not a split system like I have in my house.
>>
>> > Is there a way to use this and it not look bad ? I mean, how would you
>> > do the duct from the outside to the inside with a 2x4 wall?
>>
>> > Would this be too inefficent since it is old even though I am not in
>> > there all the time. It does get terribly hot in there in the summer, I
>> > am not as concerned about heat in the winter. I am in the process of
>> > insulating currently and have no inside wall material as of yet other
>> > than studs.
>>
>> > I have a 100 amp panel in my garage.
>>
>> > This unit is 300 bucks.
>>
>> For my money (and in my 24x40 shop) a Home Depot window unit in the back
>> endwall works fine. Pushes cold air all the way to the far wall, no
>> problem. My requirements at the shop are different from my home. I'm
>> only there once or twice a week, and I don't want sweat pouring off me
>> while I work. A window unit knocks the 100 degrees 80% humidity down to
>> something comfortable in about 30 minutes.
>> They run for years, are quite efficient, and when they quit, you
>> just buy another for ~$300. Much cheaper in the long run.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Problem is I dont have a window.

Then you simply cut a hole in the wall in some place that wont interfer
with work benches etc etc..frame it, and install the AC

Gunner, who lives in the desert and has no AC in his shop. Yet.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 9:15 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Gunner, who lives in the desert and has no AC in his shop. Yet.

Don't pull a 'Wylie Coyote' and try cooling it with a block of dry
ice and a big fan. ;-)

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:05 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:15:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> Gunner, who lives in the desert and has no AC in his shop. Yet.
>
>
> Don't pull a 'Wylie Coyote' and try cooling it with a block of dry
>ice and a big fan. ;-)

Crom no! I went to a party last summer where they had put out buckets
filled with dry ice..and people were falling down the stairs between
the house and the swimming pool all night long because of the fog hiding
the stairs.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Bought 5 yrs ago??????????
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bd018efff4ebe55a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 9:15 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:34:56 -0500, Pete Keillor
<keillorp135@chartermi.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:45:29 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/E1283-2005-LINCOLN-SHIELD-ARC-WELDER-SA250_W0QQitemZ280490905855QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Welders?hash=item414e8f90ff
>>
>>
>>Blink blink.....blink.....
>>
>>
>It fell off the work boat and has been stored in the bottom of the
>harbor for 5 yrs.

Indeed

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: PETA Now Owners Of Kraft Stock
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d2ad8777a31a13aa?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 9:18 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:42:36 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
<Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:

>http://chicagoist.com/2010/04/14/peta_now_owners_of_kraft_stock.php
>
>PETA Now Owners Of Kraft Stock
>
>From the inbox: In a move that doesn't involve nudity or browbeating, PETA
>has purchased stock in Kraft Foods as part of a plan to pressure Kraft into
>not using pork for its foodstuffs supplied by farms that utilize gestation
>crates. Gestation crates (or "sow stalls") are 7-foot by 2-foot cages where
>pregnant sows are confined during gestation. A recent Humane Society of the
>United States report on welfare issues gestation crates showed that sows
>confined to the crates developed enlarged hooves, weakened bones, urinary
>tract infections and lameness, among other ailments. PETA made the stock
>purchase after overtures they made to Kraft did not respond to requests to
>work together privately on this and other animal welfare issues
>

So how many shares did they purchase?

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 9:38 pm
From: "Bill McKee"

"Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote in message
news:4bc652fe$1@news.x-privat.org...
> http://chicagoist.com/2010/04/14/peta_now_owners_of_kraft_stock.php
>
> PETA Now Owners Of Kraft Stock
>
> From the inbox: In a move that doesn't involve nudity or browbeating, PETA
> has purchased stock in Kraft Foods as part of a plan to pressure Kraft
> into not using pork for its foodstuffs supplied by farms that utilize
> gestation crates. Gestation crates (or "sow stalls") are 7-foot by 2-foot
> cages where pregnant sows are confined during gestation. A recent Humane
> Society of the United States report on welfare issues gestation crates
> showed that sows confined to the crates developed enlarged hooves,
> weakened bones, urinary tract infections and lameness, among other
> ailments. PETA made the stock purchase after overtures they made to Kraft
> did not respond to requests to work together privately on this and other
> animal welfare issues
>
>

I probably have more shares of KFT than they do, so I can out vote them.

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TOPIC: Sheet rock screws: fine vs coarse thread?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/405481ecb9601863?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 9:27 pm
From: rangerssuck

On Apr 14, 5:11 pm, Bob Engelhardt <bobengelha...@comcast.net> wrote:
> rangerssuck wrote:
> > ...
> > Also, for what it's worth, coarse threads require fewer turns to screw
> > in, and therefore, go in faster.
>
> Ah, not so. Well, sometimes, maybe. The fine thread screws are
> double-threaded, so they go in twice as fast as they would otherwise.
>
> Bob

Now I gotta go look. But not 'till morning.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:12 pm
From: "DoN. Nichols"

On 2010-04-14, James Waldby <no@no.no> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:28:43 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>> "DoN. Nichols" ... [wrote]:
>>
>>> At first glance, they looked like drywall screws, but examining one
>>> showed that instead of having a sharp spiral point, they had a drill
>>> bit point, so they would drill through the metal and then thread in --
>>> going into pre-drilled and countersunk holes in the sides of the new
>>> top.
>>>
>> Yeah? (Um... they're called "self-drilling sheet metal screws". Any
>> ACE Hardware store will have them) <G>
>
> But sheet metal screws don't look like drywall screws. More likely
> they were Drill Point Drywall Screws, as shown at top of
><http://www.aaronswoodscrews.com/DrywallScrews.htm> and one screen

Yes -- drill point bugle head blued like other drywall screws
I've seen.

> down in <http://www.smithfast.com/drywallthreads.html>. The latter
> also shows (near the end, after the Trim Head Drywall Screws section)
> Auger Point Deck Screws that look somewhat like drywall screws.
> (With Type-17 point, as mentioned in the link Larry Jaques gave,
><http://www.midstatesbolt.com/screwpoints.htm>.)

The first SELF-DRILLING in that list (just past "TYPE 25 POINT"
is exactly what they were using. And given the application, they made
sense. One tool (battery powered drill/driver), one screwdriver bit
(Phillips) and the screw which did its own drilling. Not what I would
have used to make a pretty job, but something which got the contract
done quickly. :-)

The screws were guided by the pre-drilled holes in the
replacement desk tops, and the steel which they had to drill through was
probably about 12 Gauge or thicker. (I never tried to measure it, but
those were *heavy* GSA steel desks.)

In case it matters, I'm in here from rec.crafts.metalworking,
not from alt.home.repair, so what I regularly work with is likely quite
different from what the ahr crowd (who is part of the cross-posting) does.

Enjoy,
DoN.

--
Email: <dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
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--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

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TOPIC: OT Good news (from "who will be the first")
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/de4246196f575c10?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 9:35 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:59:09 -0400, "Steve W." <csr684@NOTyahoo.com>
wrote:

>Don Foreman wrote:
>>
>> Not MIDCAB, remediation by ablation of atrial fibrillation which isn't
>> usually life-threatening but can be (and has been) a significant
>> quality-of-life issue.
>>
>> Until very recently, the response to afib has been: "get used to it"
>> or "suck it up", usually expressed somewhat more diplomatically. It's
>> not life-threatening like v-fib but it can strongly affect quality of
>> life.
>
>Don,
> My father had the same type of problem and the same procedure to deal
>with it. One thing he didn't pay attention to was the recovery phase the
>Doc's wanted him to follow. As a result he had to go in again and they
>did some more work.
>
>Make sure she allows the healing to take place. It may annoy her to not
>do certain things, and she might complain, but it is essential to let
>the heart recover.

Roger that! She'll heed the doc's instructions. I'm more worried that
she'll discover she likes having me do some tasks that have
traditionally been hers. <G>

One thing she definitely won't do is complain.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 9:41 pm
From: Don Foreman

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:08:36 -0400, "EIsmith"
<ltt4afd@DELETEhughes.net> wrote:

>
>"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
>news:13eas5de8fpbrc57uphi0ftun4dkcs9g5n@4ax.com...
>> Mary's heart surgery went very well. I was there for 12 hours until
>> she shooed me outta there to go grab some grub and call some people.
>>
>> It wasn't as invasive as split-sternum surgery because it's done
>> entirely via catheters threaded thru major veins from groin and
>> elsewhere, guided by ultrasound, xray, computers and a bunch of
>> technology. It's fairly new and not widely practiced, but already has
>> a better success rate than a more traditional procedure which does
>> require chest entry, splitting and spreading of sternum, and
>> consequent long recovery with significant discomfort and disability
>> along the way.
>>
>> It's a complex procedure that can take from 6 to 9 hours, a lot of
>> high-tech kit and I don't know how many people in the operating
>> theater. Hers took six, which I immediately regarded as a good omen.
>>
>> Prognosis is sometimes not clear for two to three months but she's
>> already ticking like a Timex, a very good sign.
>>
>> The doc seemed quite pleased with her progress, his performance or
>> both. I intend absolutely no disrespect there, quite the contrary.
>> There isn't a speck of arrogance about this doctor though he is
>> obviously highly respected at this hospital which is among the 100
>> best cardiac centers in the nation. Luck of the draw, we happen to
>> live close. We both like how he presents.
>>
>> All signs were good as of 1730 today. She'll spend the night in ICU
>> and probably come home tomorrow.
>>
>> Thanks to everyone for good wishes and prayers. Mary had a bunch of
>> "prayer warriors" (her term) on her six.
>
>My best to you and your wife. I understand exactly where the two of you are
>right now because I had the same procedure done 6 yrs ago in May. It was
>(and remains) successful. Its good to hear they shortened the process a bit
>mine took almost 15 hrs, not that I could tell but it was hell on the wife.
>The doc I had sounds similar to yours, kind, modest and caring. He took an
>enormous amount of time to explain the procedure, the risks and educate me
>so I could ask questions. I can't say enough good things about him or his
>staff. It was about 2 weeks of "intense" recovery (mostly the ill-effects of
>being in a drug induced coma for 15 hrs) a year of anti-coagulant therapy
>and follow up visits but worth not having to take 3-4 cardiac meds and other
>meds to lesson the side effects of the first 3-4 meds for the next 40+
>years.
>
>If my experience can be of any use to you just ask
>6 yrs no fib
>
>Andrew

I will definitely tell her tomorrow about your good experience. Thanks
for sharing it!

They decided to keep her for an additional day but we're quite sure
she'll be released tomorrow.

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 11:04 pm
From: Cliff

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:56:23 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <f4ttr5phhautnpef2rodlhf8sqe86td7h5@4ax.com>,
>Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>>
>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 15:38:25 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <a53ir5l06l8leoo6pg1kkfuk36bf0n5ksg@4ax.com>,
>> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:22:01 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> >> What unconstitutional law might that be?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The McCann-Fiengold monstosity, but you knew that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act
>> >> >> "But, in December 2003, the Supreme Court upheld most of the legislation in
>> >> >> McConnell v. FEC."
>> >> >> [
>> >> >> President Barack Obama expressed his concern over the Supreme Court's decision
>> >> >> during his State of the Union speech, delivered January 27th, saying, "With all
>> >> >> due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a
>> >> >> century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests ?-
>> >> >> including foreign corporations ?- to spend without limit in our elections. I
>> >> >> don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful
>> >> >> interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American
>> >> >> people. And I'd urge Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to
>> >> >> correct some of these problems." President Obama also called the decision, "?a
>> >> >> major victory for big oil, Wall Street banks, health insurance companies and the
>> >> >> other powerful interests that marshal their power every day in Washington to
>> >> >> drown out the voices of everyday Americans.?
>> >> >> ]
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hence it was indeed constitutional and you had something else in mind
>> >> >> or are just willingly ignorant, as usual.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Barack Obama only proved he isn't such a great constitutional scholar...
>> >>
>> >> You've never even read the thing, eh?
>> >
>> >The constitution ?
>> >Sure, you might try it..
>> >reminds me to send copies to my senators and congressman.. maybe to the
>> >president too since they seem to have not consulted it recently
>>
>> IOW You have not.
>
>I've read it many times.
>You should try it

What part of "We the People" & so forth was unclear?
Where does it say "We the corporations"?

They are the sort of thing to be REGLATED. They are not
the sort of thing to do the regulating.

>>
>> >> Too many (and too big) words?
>> >
>> >Not many words at all..
>> >I'm sure your mom can read it to you..
>>
>> Like Rush & Faux tell you about it?
>
>Cut back on your drugs, you are babbling again

So did you find those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

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