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TOPIC: Milling speed question
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7858675c7a0c3cd1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:18 pm
From: RBnDFW

A friend is coming over tomorrow night so we can mill some BMW calipers
for his Porsche. Now, I'm no machinist, I guess I'm more of a machine
collector. I just don't want to mess up the calipers, and I'd also like
to not look like a klutz <G>

So, we need to mill .125" off the mounting ears on these iron calipers.
I'm guess these are some sort of cast steel.
I'll be using most likely a Enco Mill-drill, possibly a Burke MVN if I
can get it wired.
I have a 1.125 indexible face mill, with two triangular carbide inserts.

What speed should I run it at, and what depth of cut?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:52 pm
From: "Bill McKee"

"RBnDFW" <burkheimer@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hqntjg$dvv$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>A friend is coming over tomorrow night so we can mill some BMW calipers for
>his Porsche. Now, I'm no machinist, I guess I'm more of a machine
>collector. I just don't want to mess up the calipers, and I'd also like to
>not look like a klutz <G>
>
> So, we need to mill .125" off the mounting ears on these iron calipers.
> I'm guess these are some sort of cast steel.
> I'll be using most likely a Enco Mill-drill, possibly a Burke MVN if I can
> get it wired.
> I have a 1.125 indexible face mill, with two triangular carbide inserts.
>
> What speed should I run it at, and what depth of cut?

They most likely will be aluminum calipers if for a performance model.

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TOPIC: Fast CNC & WD
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1fe79a514f39f834?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:18 pm
From: "Karl Townsend"

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
news:kbednc3pusmMwFLWnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Winston wrote:
>> On 4/21/2010 7:48 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> Ok... my little toy mill is never going to scream like some of those
>>> machines featured in YouTube videos,
>>
>> (...)
>>
>> I am talking an order of magnitude difference. We aren't talking
>>> a 20-50% improvement in efficiency, but in this particular experiment
>>> nearly 2000%.
>>
>> The active ingredient in WD appears to be Mineral Spirits available in
>> 1 gallon jugs for less than 10 bucks from the big box stores.
>>
>> So less than 8c/oz vs 30c/oz. for WD.
>>
>> I would be very interested in your test results using Mineral Spirits
>> as a cutting fluid for aluminum.
>>
>
> Kerosene will work equally well.
>
> --
> John R. Carroll
>
>

John, I think I remember you're a pro machinist from AMC. I used to lurk
there till the OT made it useless. Anyway, I use toilet water (water and 6%
soluble oil) on AL - flood on the CHNC lathe and heavy zero fog mist on the
mill. I used to use oil in the CHNC but didn't like the mess in the shop.
Just curious, does anybody use kerosene in machines like this? It would
slowly evaporate and not leave an oil film on everything.

Karl

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:50 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Karl Townsend wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
> news:kbednc3pusmMwFLWnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Winston wrote:
>>> On 4/21/2010 7:48 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> Ok... my little toy mill is never going to scream like some of
>>>> those machines featured in YouTube videos,
>>>
>>> (...)
>>>
>>> I am talking an order of magnitude difference. We aren't talking
>>>> a 20-50% improvement in efficiency, but in this particular
>>>> experiment nearly 2000%.
>>>
>>> The active ingredient in WD appears to be Mineral Spirits available
>>> in 1 gallon jugs for less than 10 bucks from the big box stores.
>>>
>>> So less than 8c/oz vs 30c/oz. for WD.
>>>
>>> I would be very interested in your test results using Mineral
>>> Spirits as a cutting fluid for aluminum.
>>>
>>
>> Kerosene will work equally well.
>>
>>
>
> John, I think I remember you're a pro machinist from AMC. I used to
> lurk there till the OT made it useless. Anyway, I use toilet water
> (water and 6% soluble oil) on AL - flood on the CHNC lathe and heavy
> zero fog mist on the mill. I used to use oil in the CHNC but didn't
> like the mess in the shop. Just curious, does anybody use kerosene in
> machines like this? It would slowly evaporate and not leave an oil
> film on everything.

Vegetable oil or, if you can get it, real cutting oil.

http://www.blaser.com/index.cfm?type=land

See Vascomill 22. It's one of the premium cutting oils for milling machines
these days.
You can't really convert a machine from soluble to oil, however. Not without
some major contortions.
Even then, a big milling machine will take a couple hundred gallons and VM22
is expensive, about $20.00 per gallon.
You would want to clean it and dry everything our disassembled just to get
started.

Wes could probably tell you what they use on his job.

--
John R. Carroll

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TOPIC: Tin Coating on old meat grinders
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7bb080c82ebe594c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:24 pm
From: BQ340

On 4/19/2010 11:47 PM, Steve W. wrote:
> BQ340 wrote:
>>
>> Those old cast iron kitchen hand-cranked grinders, sausage stuffers, etc
>> are all silver. I have some that the coating is in pretty sorry shape&
>> they need a re-coat.
>>
>> Am I correct in assuming it is tin?
>>
>> How is it applied? Are they "tinned" as in dipping or coating in molten
>> tin or simply plated?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> MikeB
>
> The better ones are acid dipped then dipped in pure molten tin.
> Others get plated and some even get metal sprayed.
>
> When I had mine done I talked to a commercial kitchen supply place who
> gave me a couple of local places that did tin work for them. It cost me
> a bit less than a new grinder on the #10 and less than half on the #32.
>
>
>

Thanks for all the good replies!

I'll get the tin that Iggy found & clean it really well then try just
heating it up with the O/A torch. Between adding flux, tin & reflowing
what tin is there now it should turn out ok -I hope.

Doing a most likely inferior job for twice the time & money compared to
farming it out to the pros is what this group is all about, no?

I'll follow up after I am done.

MikeB

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:52 pm
From: Ignoramus9512

On 2010-04-21, BQ340 <BQ340@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> On 4/20/2010 9:04 AM, Ignoramus3512 wrote:
>> You can buy tin ingots on ebay. This seems to be a good deal.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/2-LB-PURE-TIN-4-LEAD-INGOTS-SOLDER-BARS-SOLDER-TIN-SN-/160424246761?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255a07bde9
>>
>> $24.99 per two lbs.
>>
>> Use it and resell it back.
>>
>> i
>
> Thanks, Iggy, That's about 1/2 price of what McMaster gets per pound.

Even I got a couple, I will use them for casting tin toys with my
kids.

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TOPIC: Building an axle puller- Source for hardened threaded rod/screws, and
through-hole threaded material for same?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9924d2822e0c3fc1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:28 pm
From: Dave__67

On Apr 21, 4:59 pm, JR North <junkjasonrno...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> You don't need a puller. A slide hammer will work just fine-no screwing
> around.
> JR
> Dweller in the cellar
>
>
>
> Dave__67 wrote:
> > I could do a bit of searching and flailing about, but figured I'd get
> > the benefit of a similar effort by someone and improve the SNR at the
> > same time.
>
> > I'm looking for some hardened threaded rod or screws, about 12 inches
> > long or a bit longer, maybe about 3/4 of an inch to an inch thick,
> > along with steel sections threaded to take the screw.
>
> > Idea being, weld the through threaded piece to a home-made tool that
> > can be used to press axles out of hubs, etc etc. This would be similar
> > to a 3-hole axle puller except it would fit onto all five lugs like
> > the factory shop tool (subaru hubs are a bit prone to getting tweaked
> > out of shape with a 3-hole puller, hence the dealers get a nice 5-hole
> > puller).
>
> > If the threads are formed with an eye towards high axial load (my ball-
> > joint tool seems to have a pointed thread, maybe acme thread is good
> > too?) that will be a big benefit, of course.
>
> > I'm guessing Mcmaster may have the rod (maybe even hardened), but have
> > not seen a through-threaded section there in my travels. A big
> > threaded rod and coupler nut may do the trick, but hardened and with
> > proper thread type is my preference.
>
> > Thanks in advance-
> > Dave
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Home Page:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
> If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes
> Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive
> The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me
> No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Dependence is Vulnerability:
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal"
> "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.."

In this case (did not mention front- and all-wheel-drive) the hub must
be gripped and the axle pushed through the hub.

Theoretically one could pull the hub off the axle and out of the
bearings, but you'd be banging the axle end against the spindle/
bearing housing and/or pulling the internal axle bits against their
retaining C-clips, which may go first.

Dave

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TOPIC: Freaking incredible!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d032969fa86c10f1?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:29 pm
From: knews4u2chew@yahoo.com

On Apr 21, 3:03 pm, "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>
wrote:
> "Jesse" <jr...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ee865516-4479-4a2a-92b0-f312315d4769@r11g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 21, 4:00 pm, raamman <raam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 21, 5:53 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > From an email I just got...freaking incredible!!
>
> > > "This is a video of an act from 1944 - a sister act called the Ross
> > > Sisters.
> > > I had never heard of them. The song they sing is about 55 seconds long
> > > (nothing special) but what they do next is...!
> > > I don't think I have ever seen a human being do some of the stunts they
> > > did!
> > > Hope you enjoy it!
>
> > > (Watch past the first 60 seconds or so, then Whoa! Look Out!)
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=BNR74UCidBI&feature=player_embedded
>
> > > Gunner
>
> > must've been mind blowing after you got to 3rd base on a saturday
> > night
>
> That was AMAZING! For a bit more info go here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_sisters
>
> ===============================================================
>
> A bit more indeed -- these wiki bios typically have the depth of a layer of
> paint. Very little in the way of any meat.
>
> But one died when she was just 34 -- I wonder from what?
> --
> EA

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1308058/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1306374/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1303616/

Not much other info out there.
Guess they were one hit wonders?

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:31 pm
From: knews4u2chew@yahoo.com

Lung cancer.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_Dixie_Jewel_Ross_die

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:47 pm
From: Wes

Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>From an email I just got...freaking incredible!!

I saw it a while back. I won't share some of the thoughts I had. ;)

Wes

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:52 pm
From: Eregon

Wes <ClutchAtLycosDotCom@Gmail.com> wrote in news:58Mzn.354997$vr1.35964
@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com:

> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>From an email I just got...freaking incredible!!
>
>
> I saw it a while back. I won't share some of the thoughts I had. ;)
>
> Wes
>

Such as "Lucky Husbands!"? <G>

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:52 pm
From: Shall not be infringed

On Apr 21, 1:59 pm, "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>
wrote:
> "Gunner Asch" <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0mits51eb9kmgkkdl2g24ctbqpe1ffjb2t@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > From an email I just got...freaking incredible!!
>
> > "This is a video of an act from 1944 - a sister act called the Ross
> > Sisters.
> > I had never heard of them. The song they sing is about 55 seconds long
> > (nothing special) but what they do next is...!
> > I don't think I have ever seen a human being do some of the stunts they
> > did!
> > Hope you enjoy it!
>
> > (Watch past the first 60 seconds or so, then Whoa! Look Out!)
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=BNR74UCidBI&feature=player_embedded
>
> Holy Shit!!! A keeper!!!! wow...
>
> Esp. at 2:10, 2:50, and the finale!
>
> You know, that wasn't halfbad Andrew Sister-type stuff in the beginning,
> either!
> All-natural hotties, too!
>
> Isn't it funny -- 66 g-d years later, and basically we have contortionists
> just stuffing themselves into effing boxes, and magician assholes
> mindfucking us with effing bogus illusions.... goodgawd....
> --
> EA

He's not a magician and the cost of healthcare will be no illusion.
You'll feel the pain.

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TOPIC: Great example of metal work.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/3f51a243eb68d82c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:34 pm
From: RBnDFW

Bill McKee wrote:
> I have an aluminum river jetboat. Has a Kodiak 2 stage pump. Expensive,
> eventhough it is 19 years old. Here is a guy in Russia that built and is
> building his own jet pump. And for those of you who like vodka, his main
> business is making pour spouts. One of the best threads on the boating
> board ever.
> http://www.meanchicken.net/webmain/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3250&start=0
>
>

Excellent, the internet brings people together.
Good reading, thanks

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:44 pm
From: Wes

"Bill McKee" <bmckeespamnot@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>I have an aluminum river jetboat. Has a Kodiak 2 stage pump. Expensive,
>eventhough it is 19 years old. Here is a guy in Russia that built and is
>building his own jet pump. And for those of you who like vodka, his main
>business is making pour spouts. One of the best threads on the boating
>board ever.
>http://www.meanchicken.net/webmain/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3250&start=0
>

Darn interesting thread. I sure hope Iggy notices it.

Wes

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TOPIC: With JB You Can Always Count On...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ffbec57f79cd8673?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:35 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Rapid hardening, and waterproof result.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:59 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Black Dragon wrote:
> John R. Carroll wrote:
>
>> Black Dragon wrote:
>>> John R. Carroll wrote:
>
>>>> Black Dragon wrote:
>>>>> Existential Angst wrote:
>
>>>>>> This is all, of course, waaaay of jb's head, but then so are
>>>>>> spreadsheets and manual contouring, and, or course, mastercam.
>
>>>>> You gotta' admire Jon's thorough ownership of a small group of
>>>>> people.
>
>>>>> The man is indeed a True Master of his Craft. :)
>
>>>> Whatever.
>
>>> It's true. Joe788 and James Meyette were admiring Jon's madd skills
>>> on the eMastercam forum recently, and Jon hasn't (that I'm aware of
>>> anyway) been around there for several months now.
>
>>>> Let me know how the low temp. stuff works out.
>
>>> I passed the information uphill and it's mostly out of my hands now.
>>> Our metrology guy has some wax like substance he says will do the
>>> job. I seriously doubt it'll do it accurately and have made my
>>> opinion known.
>
>> LOL
>> It's likely that they didn't want to spend the $100.00 per pound
>> this sort of material costs.
>
> I've been to that rodeo more than once with those people.
>
> I'm not a business person so I'm quite ignorant in these matters. Can
> someone explain to me how it's better to spend days doing something
> that can be done in hours if a few hundred bucks were spent up front
> on the proper materials to do the job?

LOL
I've been down the wax road, for a minute.
I found that it didn't release distortion free enough to give me confidence
and was flaky to measure.
You only have to close in on screwing up a $2,500.00 core once to be
business person enough.
Especially if your customer is tapping his foot waiting for parts.

--
John R. Carroll

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:18 pm
From: jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>

Cross-Slide wrote:
>
> On Apr 21, 12:34 pm, "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>
> wrote:
> > "Black Dragon" <b...@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
> >
> > news:hqnbm1$2aic$1@bdhi.local...
> >
> > > Existential Angst wrote:
> >
> > >> This is all, of course, waaaay of jb's head, but then so are spreadsheets
> > >> and manual contouring, and, or course, mastercam.
> >
> > > You gotta' admire Jon's thorough ownership of a small group of people.
> >
> > > The man is indeed a True Master of his Craft. :)
> >
> > Partial truth there -- We all DO seem willing to dance, on command!!
> >
> > But, the other truth remains, that jb fancies himself a puppeteer, and that
> > in itself is deranged.
> > He puppeteers because he can't really contribute.
> >
> > That we respond to tugs on our strings is another issue.
> > Mebbe a bunch of us miss JHS as well, eh??
> > --
> > EA
> >
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > Black Dragon
> >
> > > I'd love to kiss you, but I just washed my hair.
> > > -- Bette Davis, "Cabin in the Cotton"
>
> The real truth is more accurately described as a wino constantly
> wanders into a restaurant and pisses into the salad bar.
> After a while the patrons will rise up and try to drive the idiot out
> of the restaurant.

That is pretty much correct - except that there is no restaurant, no
wino, no salad bar, no pissing. What really exists is just a small
number of fools hallucinating that their salad is getting pissed on.

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TOPIC: OT: Proposed Open Source SEC Transparency regs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/10b5a258a9efdf54?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:38 pm
From: F. George McDuffee

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:09:01 -0600, Steve Ackman
<steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
<snip>
>He
>declined to say why he wanted a Windows requirement in
>the regulatory language or any kind of limiting
>specification other than "open."
<snip>
Main reason is that almost all [governmental] lap tops already
have Windows installed, and while most other O/S such as
Ubuntu/Linux, should work equally well, the typical computer user
is not familiar with them. The main idea is box stock-off the
shelf hard/software, i.e. cheap, widely available, with minimal
training required. There appears to be two levels of custom
programming required: (1) A simple EDR data dump and file
creation so the data can be uploaded for compilation and later
analysis, and (2) A more complex program to decode the EDR data
dump into plain English/standard units for human
understanding/analysis.

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:47 pm
From: F. George McDuffee

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:49:13 -0500, Ignoramus9512
<ignoramus9512@NOSPAM.9512.invalid> wrote:

>I think that it is kind of shocking that the government would release
>any kind of files for the public, that would only be usable on one
>proprietary operating system.
>
>i
=========
Actually both XML and python are cross platform languages.

http://www.go4expert.com/forums/showthread.php?t=410

http://www.python.org/download/

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TOPIC: Trailer brakes question
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/dbf0c841fbab99e5?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 3:51 pm
From: "ATP*"

"Steve B" <deserttraveler@dishynail.net> wrote in message
news:cmd2a7-6m62.ln1@news.infowest.com...
> Today, I took a friend's trailer a few miles to pick up some material. It
> is a tandem axle 16' trailer. I looked back, and there was smoke pouring
> out of one wheel. I had just started from a stop, and was doing about 15
> mph. I pulled over, put it in reverse, and then went forward and all was
> good. The tire had jammed up in some way, and the smoke was from the tire
> skidding, and not from the hub.
>
> This trailer has electric brakes, but they are not hooked up. When I got
> home, I had driven about eight miles. That one wheel was very warm, and
> the outer brake drum was nearly hot.
>
> I think what has happened is that some component has come loose inside
> there, and jammed. Backing up unjammed it, but there must still be
> something causing the shoe to come out and engage the drum making it
> hotter than the rest. The rest were cool to the touch.
>
> I am going to block the trailer up tomorrow, and take that wheel off
> first, and look for loose parts, or obvious failure.
>
> Should I just put a spring on there to hold the electric brakes closed? I
> would do this to all four wheels. Plus, check the bearings while I have
> it in the air. This trailer is not used for heavy loads, and my friend
> would probably not want to spend the $$ to have it put back as new, as it
> was manufactured in 1965.
>
> A mechanic friend of mine said to just take off all the shoes and
> everything, and not be bothered in the future. My friend pulls this with
> a 3/4 ton truck, enough to handle the trailer and load.
>
> What would you do?
>
> Steve
The brake assemblies are not that expensive, if you have it apart, replace
them.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:04 pm
From: "Steve B"

"ATP*" <waxwingslain@azurepane.com> wrote in message
news:4bcf8173$0$22549$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
> "Steve B" <deserttraveler@dishynail.net> wrote in message
> news:cmd2a7-6m62.ln1@news.infowest.com...
>> Today, I took a friend's trailer a few miles to pick up some material.
>> It is a tandem axle 16' trailer. I looked back, and there was smoke
>> pouring out of one wheel. I had just started from a stop, and was doing
>> about 15 mph. I pulled over, put it in reverse, and then went forward
>> and all was good. The tire had jammed up in some way, and the smoke was
>> from the tire skidding, and not from the hub.
>>
>> This trailer has electric brakes, but they are not hooked up. When I got
>> home, I had driven about eight miles. That one wheel was very warm, and
>> the outer brake drum was nearly hot.
>>
>> I think what has happened is that some component has come loose inside
>> there, and jammed. Backing up unjammed it, but there must still be
>> something causing the shoe to come out and engage the drum making it
>> hotter than the rest. The rest were cool to the touch.
>>
>> I am going to block the trailer up tomorrow, and take that wheel off
>> first, and look for loose parts, or obvious failure.
>>
>> Should I just put a spring on there to hold the electric brakes closed?
>> I would do this to all four wheels. Plus, check the bearings while I
>> have it in the air. This trailer is not used for heavy loads, and my
>> friend would probably not want to spend the $$ to have it put back as
>> new, as it was manufactured in 1965.
>>
>> A mechanic friend of mine said to just take off all the shoes and
>> everything, and not be bothered in the future. My friend pulls this with
>> a 3/4 ton truck, enough to handle the trailer and load.
>>
>> What would you do?
>>
>> Steve
> The brake assemblies are not that expensive, if you have it apart, replace
> them.

It quit raining, I got the pavers unloaded, so took off the wheel. Steel
salad would be the best description. Something cut loose, shredding lots of
stuff in there. One brake show was bent out of shape. The backing plate
was seriously bent inward toward centerline. The opposite side was rubbing
the drum, so had to hammer it back enough for the wheel to turn. The whole
backing plate, and whole brake assembly will have to be replaced. Oh yeah,
the tire has a flat spot on it, too.

Bearings looked good, tho. ;-)

Supposed to talk to the owner in the next day or so. Will see if he wants
to fix it, or remove all the brake assemblies.

Steve

Visit my blog at www.cabgbypasssurgery.com

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:42 pm
From: "RAM³"

"Steve B" <deserttraveler@dishynail.net> wrote in
news:csc4a7-d0i1.ln1@news.infowest.com:

>
> "ATP*" <waxwingslain@azurepane.com> wrote in message
> news:4bcf8173$0$22549$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> "Steve B" <deserttraveler@dishynail.net> wrote in message
>> news:cmd2a7-6m62.ln1@news.infowest.com...
>>> Today, I took a friend's trailer a few miles to pick up some
>>> material. It is a tandem axle 16' trailer. I looked back, and there
>>> was smoke pouring out of one wheel. I had just started from a stop,
>>> and was doing about 15 mph. I pulled over, put it in reverse, and
>>> then went forward and all was good. The tire had jammed up in some
>>> way, and the smoke was from the tire skidding, and not from the hub.
>>>
>>> This trailer has electric brakes, but they are not hooked up. When
>>> I got home, I had driven about eight miles. That one wheel was
>>> very warm, and the outer brake drum was nearly hot.
>>>
>>> I think what has happened is that some component has come loose
>>> inside there, and jammed. Backing up unjammed it, but there must
>>> still be something causing the shoe to come out and engage the drum
>>> making it hotter than the rest. The rest were cool to the touch.
>>>
>>> I am going to block the trailer up tomorrow, and take that wheel off
>>> first, and look for loose parts, or obvious failure.
>>>
>>> Should I just put a spring on there to hold the electric brakes
>>> closed? I would do this to all four wheels. Plus, check the
>>> bearings while I have it in the air. This trailer is not used for
>>> heavy loads, and my friend would probably not want to spend the $$
>>> to have it put back as new, as it was manufactured in 1965.
>>>
>>> A mechanic friend of mine said to just take off all the shoes and
>>> everything, and not be bothered in the future. My friend pulls this
>>> with a 3/4 ton truck, enough to handle the trailer and load.
>>>
>>> What would you do?
>>>
>>> Steve
>> The brake assemblies are not that expensive, if you have it apart,
>> replace them.
>
> It quit raining, I got the pavers unloaded, so took off the wheel.
> Steel salad would be the best description. Something cut loose,
> shredding lots of stuff in there. One brake show was bent out of
> shape. The backing plate was seriously bent inward toward centerline.
> The opposite side was rubbing the drum, so had to hammer it back
> enough for the wheel to turn. The whole backing plate, and whole
> brake assembly will have to be replaced. Oh yeah, the tire has a flat
> spot on it, too.
>
> Bearings looked good, tho. ;-)
>
> Supposed to talk to the owner in the next day or so. Will see if he
> wants to fix it, or remove all the brake assemblies.
>
> Steve
>
> Visit my blog at www.cabgbypasssurgery.com
>
>
>

In your shoes I'd fix all 4.

Just in case...

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:47 pm
From: "Bill McKee"

"Steve B" <deserttraveler@dishynail.net> wrote in message
news:csc4a7-d0i1.ln1@news.infowest.com...
>
> "ATP*" <waxwingslain@azurepane.com> wrote in message
> news:4bcf8173$0$22549$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> "Steve B" <deserttraveler@dishynail.net> wrote in message
>> news:cmd2a7-6m62.ln1@news.infowest.com...
>>> Today, I took a friend's trailer a few miles to pick up some material.
>>> It is a tandem axle 16' trailer. I looked back, and there was smoke
>>> pouring out of one wheel. I had just started from a stop, and was doing
>>> about 15 mph. I pulled over, put it in reverse, and then went forward
>>> and all was good. The tire had jammed up in some way, and the smoke was
>>> from the tire skidding, and not from the hub.
>>>
>>> This trailer has electric brakes, but they are not hooked up. When I
>>> got home, I had driven about eight miles. That one wheel was very
>>> warm, and the outer brake drum was nearly hot.
>>>
>>> I think what has happened is that some component has come loose inside
>>> there, and jammed. Backing up unjammed it, but there must still be
>>> something causing the shoe to come out and engage the drum making it
>>> hotter than the rest. The rest were cool to the touch.
>>>
>>> I am going to block the trailer up tomorrow, and take that wheel off
>>> first, and look for loose parts, or obvious failure.
>>>
>>> Should I just put a spring on there to hold the electric brakes closed?
>>> I would do this to all four wheels. Plus, check the bearings while I
>>> have it in the air. This trailer is not used for heavy loads, and my
>>> friend would probably not want to spend the $$ to have it put back as
>>> new, as it was manufactured in 1965.
>>>
>>> A mechanic friend of mine said to just take off all the shoes and
>>> everything, and not be bothered in the future. My friend pulls this
>>> with a 3/4 ton truck, enough to handle the trailer and load.
>>>
>>> What would you do?
>>>
>>> Steve
>> The brake assemblies are not that expensive, if you have it apart,
>> replace them.
>
> It quit raining, I got the pavers unloaded, so took off the wheel. Steel
> salad would be the best description. Something cut loose, shredding lots
> of stuff in there. One brake show was bent out of shape. The backing
> plate was seriously bent inward toward centerline. The opposite side was
> rubbing the drum, so had to hammer it back enough for the wheel to turn.
> The whole backing plate, and whole brake assembly will have to be
> replaced. Oh yeah, the tire has a flat spot on it, too.
>
> Bearings looked good, tho. ;-)
>
> Supposed to talk to the owner in the next day or so. Will see if he wants
> to fix it, or remove all the brake assemblies.
>
> Steve
>
> Visit my blog at www.cabgbypasssurgery.com
>

Just replace the unit. Cheap.
http://www.championtrailers.com/BRAKES_ELECTRIC.htm#BRAKES_ELECTRIC
$80 a pair.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:24 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 05:37:22 -0500, "RogerN" <regor@midwest.net> wrote:

>
>"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:c8facd1c-0e07-46c6-bd04-adb746d9eb51@k36g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>On Apr 20, 9:35 pm, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>> "ArmyOfDorkness" <DorkAsKni...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:cs-dnYS6GKeH_lPWnZ2dnUVZ_hmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
>> >news:h6OdnR8m0PdsrVPWnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>
>> >> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:8bd92a82-6168-4afb-a832-9c03637073a6@j12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Apr 20, 6:29 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> As far as I can tell Palin objects to Obama.
>> >>> He is not 100% white.
>> >>> He is very bright.
>> >>> It does not matter to Palin what the facts or subjects are. She
>> >>> knows nothing about any of them anyway & is not about
>> >>> to start learning anything now.
>>
>> >>> He is not a crazed winger.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Cliff
>> >> /
>> >> /I, like millions of other Americans, hope that Palin runs in 2012
>> >> /against Obama.
>> >> /
>> >> /It would be a Republican bloodbath.
>> >> /
>> >> /TMT
>> >> /
>>
>> >> I hope they can find something better than Palin to run, but either
>> >> way,
>> >> when Jesus returns, it will be a liberal bloodbath, blood to the horses
>> >> bridal!
>>
>> > Jesus will be against liberals?
>>
>> No, liberals are against Jesus.
>>
>> RogerN- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>/
>/Hey RogerN..does that N in RogerN stand for NUTS?
>/
>/Better reread that book called "The Bible"...Jesus is a liberal.
>/
>/TMT
>
>According to the Bible, Jesus stood for what today's liberals stand against.
>
>RogerN
>
It never ceases to amuse me that the Liberals of today, were the
Convervatives of history, prior to the 1920s....yet they simply dont
comprehend this factoid. And frankly..are too stupid to understand that
the meanings were reversed before that time.

Perhaps todays New Liberals, should go to Google and type in Classical
Liberalism..and then try to match up their world view with exactly what
Classical Liberalism really is.

Here..this may help the leftwingers..though..they are far far too
mentally ill and/or stupid to comprehend it, Im sure

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

If you Leftwingers need some help, Ill hunt around for a something with
limited numbers of big words ......

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: Maximum spacing of ceiling corregated metal.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8be2c0735733412f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:35 pm
From: "RAM³"

stryped <stryped1@yahoo.com> wrote in news:9b0b63fa-76c1-428b-9ee2-
730377456725@u31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:

> I want it to look good, but I need to do it by myself and it not be
> too expensive. I really considered the suspended ceiling but it is
> pricy. What do you guys think of a suspended ceilign in a garage?

A few important questions:

1. Will you be using the garage solely for vehicle and yard tool storage?

2. Will the garage be your shop?

3. What material is on the iterior walls of your garage?

If the answer to 1. is "Yes" then your only concern would be the height
of your vehicle(s).

If the answer to 2. is "Yes" then you need to ask yourself if
flammability is an issue _and_ if the ability to replace relatively small
sections of the ceiling would be of benefit. (The advantage of the
ability to add/position overhead lighting is obvious! <G>)

If the answer to 3. is "nothing" then the insulation factor doesn't
apply. <G>

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TOPIC: Cox Communications drops Usenet
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 4:43 pm
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:54:32 -0600, Steve Ackman
<steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:

> Similar here with frontiernet. They offer two plans.
>700 Kbps and 3 Mbps... but the copper is old, and if
>you order the faster plan, you only actually get 1.3
>Mbps.

> I wonder how many people aren't even aware they're
>not getting all the bandwidth they're paying for.

Frontier 6 Meg plan here, actual is about 5.6 when tested at their
site, closer to 5 when tested at other sites. I can't complain though,
it's transmitted wirelessly the last 12 miles. It only goes via copper
for about 10'!

Wayne

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