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TOPIC: Barbecue Grill burner replacements
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 12:02 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:17:22 -0700, Larry Jaques
<ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:12:45 -0500, the infamous Wes
><clutch@lycos.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm trying to figure out why anybody would go to all this trouble for a
>>>gas grill... The grill in my new outdoor kitchen is charcoal, as God
>>>intended.
>>
>>Nothing tastes as good as using briquettes. I'm curious what would happen if I used some
>>of the home made charcoal I made a while back with to cook a steak. Would the home made
>>stuff burn cooler or hotter?
>
>Oh, bullshit, guys. I switched over to propane 3 decades ago and
>didn't notice one whit of difference--if there isn't a metal pan
>between the flame and the grille. Lava rock is wonderful. I do,
>however, notice a whole lot of difference in the environment around a
>charcoal BBQ. Nobody can breathe downwind of one for several blocks.
>I hate charcoal briquettes with a passion. They stink, they're messy
>on the way in and on the way out, they take forever to get hot and
>cool down, ad nauseum. Just Say No! ;)
>
>BTW, I'm surprised that eco-terrorists (environmentalists) haven't
>caused briquette companies to go out of business yet.

I was the Charcoal BBQ king for decades, until the wife brought home a
new Weber propane grill..and I was devistated. I refused to cook on it!

Then she started bringing me fool she had cooked on it...and I became a
believer that propane was superior to to charcoal.

Never went back to charcoal after that.

Propane Rules!!

Gunner,

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 12:25 pm
From: Ignoramus8246

On 2010-03-28, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:17:22 -0700, Larry Jaques
><ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:12:45 -0500, the infamous Wes
>><clutch@lycos.com> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm trying to figure out why anybody would go to all this trouble for a
>>>>gas grill... The grill in my new outdoor kitchen is charcoal, as God
>>>>intended.
>>>
>>>Nothing tastes as good as using briquettes. I'm curious what would happen if I used some
>>>of the home made charcoal I made a while back with to cook a steak. Would the home made
>>>stuff burn cooler or hotter?
>>
>>Oh, bullshit, guys. I switched over to propane 3 decades ago and
>>didn't notice one whit of difference--if there isn't a metal pan
>>between the flame and the grille. Lava rock is wonderful. I do,
>>however, notice a whole lot of difference in the environment around a
>>charcoal BBQ. Nobody can breathe downwind of one for several blocks.
>>I hate charcoal briquettes with a passion. They stink, they're messy
>>on the way in and on the way out, they take forever to get hot and
>>cool down, ad nauseum. Just Say No! ;)
>>
>>BTW, I'm surprised that eco-terrorists (environmentalists) haven't
>>caused briquette companies to go out of business yet.
>
>
> I was the Charcoal BBQ king for decades, until the wife brought home a
> new Weber propane grill..and I was devistated. I refused to cook on it!
>
> Then she started bringing me fool she had cooked on it...and I became a
> believer that propane was superior to to charcoal.
>
> Never went back to charcoal after that.
>
> Propane Rules!!
>

And natural gas, of course, is even better.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 12:58 pm
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> fired this volley in
news:rc3vq5p7t2kvauih2ldfiuurubsdhsncts@4ax.com:

> They stink, they're messy
> on the way in and on the way out, they take forever to get hot and
> cool down, ad nauseum. Just Say No! ;)
>

Larry, what planet do you get your charcoal from?

Charcoal burns almost completely odorless, except for any deliberate
addition of un-charred wood for flavor.

You weren't really talking about the smell of "lighter fluid", were you?

REAL charcoal grillers would _never_ use a petroleum on their coals.
It's simple as heck to build a quick charcoal fire without it. Under ten
minutes, max, to a full bed of coals. It takes that long to heat up a
"stink box" (propane grill).

I'm partial to natural chunk charcoal, adding "flavor wood" as necessary,
usually in a cast iron smoke box.

Chunk charcoal lights faster, has no heavy residues like those from
briquettes, burns much hotter (and faster, sorry), and generally gives a
more predictable taste. It is easy and fun to make, too.

Larry, if you can't tell the difference between propane-cooked meat and
that cooked on charcoal, you probably should visit an ENT (ORL) and
figure out why your taste buds aren't working right.

LLoyd

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 1:08 pm
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

Ignoramus8246 <ignoramus8246@NOSPAM.8246.invalid> fired this volley in
news:48udnUCEgczaMDLWnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@giganews.com:

> And natural gas, of course, is even better.
>
So, all you guys really LIKE the combustion products of methyl mercaptan
on your food? 'Tastes like rotten onions to me.

C'mon... a gas grill is useful, but not a _true_ connoisseur's form of
cooking. It's primary advantage is that it's quick and easy to start up.
Those purists who cook on charcoal regularly know that it takes no more
time to light up a good bed of charcoal than it does to pre-heat all the
volcanic basalt in a gas grill.

It's ALSO just as much trouble as a charcoal grill to clean up and put
away. Charcoal "self cleans" the grill until it finally burns out. You
have to deliberately fire a gas grill - and watch it (and remember to
shut it off) to clean the grill after cooking.

Now, if you want "difficulty" in cooking, try barbeque (no! a stupid gas
or charcoal "grill" isn't a "barbeque"; it's a grill, no matter what they
call them at Home Despots). When I cook a brisket or Boston butt, it's
24 hours of natural wood fire-tending from start to finish -- not
including the time to start and stoke the fire.

But then, if you can't tell the diff between gas and charcoal cooking,
real barbeque would be wasted on you.

LLoyd

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 1:59 pm
From: "Steve W."

Ignoramus11443 wrote:
> On 2010-03-28, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snetnospam.net> wrote:
>> "RAM?" <S31924.nospam@netscape.net> wrote
>>>> I was hoping to find stainless burners so that the new ones would not
>>>> rust. Realistically speaking, is that "cast iron" any more rust
>>>> resistant than the original material, or are they also going to rot?
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>>
>>> The burners and grills are considered "consumables" and are expected to be
>>> replaced as needed.
>>>
>> The stainless steel burners on my Vermont Castings are as good as new after
>> 12 years. So are the porcelain coated cast iron grates. You need to buy a
>> better grill if you think they are consumables.
>>
>
> Why wouldn't anyone want to sell stainless burners for my grill? These
> burners seem to fit a lot of grills, and therefore there is enough
> market to make stainless burners. I would pay the premium.
>
> i

The problem is that many of the burners are not compatible. Different
orifice sizes different regulators and air feeds make it hard to make a
"universal" burner. However you could easily retrofit a better cast iron
burner out of a different make into yours. You may have to change the
orifices to compensate for the burner holes though.

As for the grids, Most stove/furnace places that sell wood/coal fired
equipment can get you cast iron grates that will outlast stainless steel
easily. Stainless doesn't do well in the presence of heat unless it is
expensive alloy types.

Take a look at the high end grills and you find cast iron burners and
grates. Some have cast iron burners with brass jets for even better heat
control.

--
Steve W.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 2:07 pm
From: "Steve W."

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:17:22 -0700, Larry Jaques
> <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:12:45 -0500, the infamous Wes
>> <clutch@lycos.com> scrawled the following:
>>
>>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm trying to figure out why anybody would go to all this trouble for a
>>>> gas grill... The grill in my new outdoor kitchen is charcoal, as God
>>>> intended.
>>> Nothing tastes as good as using briquettes. I'm curious what would happen if I used some
>>> of the home made charcoal I made a while back with to cook a steak. Would the home made
>>> stuff burn cooler or hotter?
>> Oh, bullshit, guys. I switched over to propane 3 decades ago and
>> didn't notice one whit of difference--if there isn't a metal pan
>> between the flame and the grille. Lava rock is wonderful. I do,
>> however, notice a whole lot of difference in the environment around a
>> charcoal BBQ. Nobody can breathe downwind of one for several blocks.
>> I hate charcoal briquettes with a passion. They stink, they're messy
>> on the way in and on the way out, they take forever to get hot and
>> cool down, ad nauseum. Just Say No! ;)
>>
>> BTW, I'm surprised that eco-terrorists (environmentalists) haven't
>> caused briquette companies to go out of business yet.
>
>
> I was the Charcoal BBQ king for decades, until the wife brought home a
> new Weber propane grill..and I was devistated. I refused to cook on it!
>
> Then she started bringing me fool she had cooked on it...and I became a
> believer that propane was superior to to charcoal.
>
> Never went back to charcoal after that.
>
> Propane Rules!!
>
> Gunner,
>
> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> the subject." Grey Ghost

Propane on a grill is OK, if your doing TRUE BBQ with smoke and lower
heat charcoal wins hands down.

I have two different smokers and two gas grills. The grills get used for
things I want to either cook fast or not smoke flavor.
I have cooked just about everything on them, from the standard
dogs/burgers/chicken/steaks up to pizza, nachos, pies and even baked a
couple cakes on them.

BUT if I have something like a pork shoulder or 5, or whole pigs, ribs
and the like they get tossed in the smoker and cooked for 4-5 hours at
least. Then you GENTLY pick up the meat because it wants to fall off the
bones...

HMM,,, I think I'll fire up the grill and do some pork chops and maybe a
couple burgers...

--
Steve W.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 2:45 pm
From: pyotr filipivich

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on or
about Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:02:40 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:17:22 -0700, Larry Jaques
><ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:12:45 -0500, the infamous Wes
>><clutch@lycos.com> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm trying to figure out why anybody would go to all this trouble for a
>>>>gas grill... The grill in my new outdoor kitchen is charcoal, as God
>>>>intended.
>>>
>>>Nothing tastes as good as using briquettes. I'm curious what would happen if I used some
>>>of the home made charcoal I made a while back with to cook a steak. Would the home made
>>>stuff burn cooler or hotter?
>>
>>Oh, bullshit, guys. I switched over to propane 3 decades ago and
>>didn't notice one whit of difference--if there isn't a metal pan
>>between the flame and the grille. Lava rock is wonderful. I do,
>>however, notice a whole lot of difference in the environment around a
>>charcoal BBQ. Nobody can breathe downwind of one for several blocks.
>>I hate charcoal briquettes with a passion. They stink, they're messy
>>on the way in and on the way out, they take forever to get hot and
>>cool down, ad nauseum. Just Say No! ;)
>>
>>BTW, I'm surprised that eco-terrorists (environmentalists) haven't
>>caused briquette companies to go out of business yet.
>
>
>I was the Charcoal BBQ king for decades, until the wife brought home a
>new Weber propane grill..and I was devistated. I refused to cook on it!
>
>Then she started bringing me fool she had cooked on it...and I became a
>believer that propane was superior to to charcoal.
>
>Never went back to charcoal after that.
>
>Propane Rules!!

I do like charcoal broiled. Too bad it takes so long to get
going, and for one person - too much effort. I have a very nice
Propane Grill, light it up, and while I gather the makings, it heats
up - burns the grill clean B-) - et violia.
But I still like the charcoal fire. Maybe I'll make a fire pit
this summer,then I can do more.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 1:23 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

RogerN wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
> news:Wp6dnSm3Xa_G-DLWnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> RogerN wrote:
>>> "Hang Dog" <righteous@wobble.nospam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:81922uFcpbU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzrUztyd1Y&feature=player_embedded
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More right wing theft. Doubt they have permission to use any of the
>>>> photos, and definitely none of the music either. One would have
>>>> thougt that after McCain got caught stealing and having to pay big
>>>> time, they'd have learned their lesson. Chop their thieving fucking
>>>> hands off its the only thing they'll understand.
>>>
>>> What about the one showing better looking Democrat women and less
>>> outer beauty, but more inner beauty, Republican women? Do you also
>>> thing the Democrats that made it should have their hands cut off, or
>>> are you the typical leftard hypocrite?
>>>
>>> How about Obama, 7 lies in less than 2 minutes, if you are not a
>>> hypocrite you should be saying he should have his tongue cut off.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UErR7i2onW0
>>>
>>> I'll bet you are against individuals making a video without
>>> permission to use the photo's and songs, but it's probably OK with
>>> you that you're President is an outright liar.
>>
>> Getting all wound up for church, I see.
>> Don't forget to kick your dog around a bit and slap the shit out of
>> your wife to show her the place she occupies in your universe Roger.
>>
>
> By chance did you watch the movie Evan Almighty?

No, but I did see "Bruce Almighty".

>
> Obama not only told a little lie, he is doing the exact opposite of
> what he said he would do,

Hardly Roger.
The HC bills that just passed are good examples.
The bill the House passed was on line for 72 hours before they took it up
and once passed, wasn't signed by Obama for another two days. It was
actually publicly available for longer than promised.

There are better examples of Obama's brolen promises. Closing Gitmo comes to
mind. Why don't you find the actual instances rather than just making stuff
up?

--
John R. Carroll

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 12:28 pm
From: Hang Dog

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:01:25 +0100, Hang Dog
> <righteous@wobble.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzrUztyd1Y&feature=player_embedded
>>>
>>>
>> More right wing theft. Doubt they have permission to use any of the
>> photos, and definitely none of the music either. One would have thougt
>> that after McCain got caught stealing and having to pay big time, they'd
>> have learned their lesson. Chop their thieving fucking hands off its the
>> only thing they'll understand.
>
> Odd...according to you Marxists..there is no such thing as private
> property.
>

Where did you get the crap from?

> So it appears that the video is effective if it causes you buffoons to
> go out and start bitching about private property rights.
>

Hey now you are the libtard in this group. Whining and bitching about
property rights, yet so many of your type are simple thieves.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 12:30 pm
From: Hang Dog

RogerN wrote:
> "Hang Dog" <righteous@wobble.nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:819f8pFsjgU1@mid.individual.net...
>> RogerN wrote:
>>> Here's one you should enjoy then, simply a music video.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdKmc9aBELM
>>>
>> Well done, though I'm pretty sure the tune has been nicked from someplace
>> else. In any case why do you think I'd be interested in any of your
>> whining bitch boy parochial nonsense any way?
>
> What Obama lie are you referring to? There are so many...
>

I have no idea what you are talking about, explain.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 12:32 pm
From: Hang Dog

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:46:25 +0100, Hang Dog
> <righteous@wobble.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> RogerN wrote:
>>> Here's one you should enjoy then, simply a music video.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdKmc9aBELM
>>>
>> Well done, though I'm pretty sure the tune has been nicked from
>> someplace else. In any case why do you think I'd be interested in any of
>> your whining bitch boy parochial nonsense any way?
>
>
> Cause your a whiny cunt.
>

Shouldn't you be off somewhere telling the military that they ought to
be glad to be killed on active service rather than being killed for joy
riding.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 1:29 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Hawke" <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
> news:homhun$tgg$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>
>>>> Total US taxes, the total tax divided by the number of citizens,
>>>> has ranged
>>>> between the lowest and third-lowest among developed countries (the
>>>> OECD countries) in recent years. Our corporate tax, which was the
>>>> lowest among
>>>> that group until not many years ago, is now nominally one of the
>>>> highest because those other countries have been in a race to keep
>>>> companies from leaving their countries and moving elsewhere --
>>>> like big pharma did when much of it moved to the US. But in
>>>> practice, because of all of the complexities in our tax code, our
>>>> corporations pay less tax than those in
>>>> any other developed country. Our real average corporate tax is
>>>> around 19%
>>>> of
>>>> their profits.
>>>>
>>>> The total tax burden is another issue, but one thing is absolutely
>>>> clear from the numbers: The US is not at a competitive
>>>> disadvantage because of our
>>>> total tax rates. And corporations are paying much less in fact,
>>>> even though
>>>> our *nominal* rates are higher, than their competitors in other
>>>> developed
>>>> countries.
>>>>
>>>> The big "tax" disadvantage our larger corporations suffer from is
>>>> paying healthcare and pensions, much of which are picked up by the
>>>> state in other
>>>> countries. That's why they have higher *overall* tax rates, in
>>>> terms of total taxes per individual. Corporations get off that
>>>> hook in many other countries. The taxes are still there, but
>>>> they're shifted off the corporations' backs and onto individual
>>>> citizens.
>>>>
>>>> There are other, smaller examples that explain why taxes are so
>>>> high in other countries, even while we yell about taxes here. Our
>>>> system is skewed
>>>> in some ways that hurt performance (like our health care system)
>>>> while turning the screws in some places but not in others. But
>>>> flat taxes and VATs
>>>> don't, in themselves, help to straighten out the matters of
>>>> performance of
>>>> social institutions or corporate competitiveness. If you flattened
>>>> out the
>>>> taxes without introducing a universal health care system, you'd
>>>> just put the
>>>> squeeze on the middle class, particularly the lower-middle. And
>>>> VATs are steeply regressive. European countries use a very steeply
>>>> progressive income
>>>> tax -- the opposite of a flat income tax -- to compensate. You
>>>> *would* succeed in depressing consumption with a VAT in the US,
>>>> but then you'd be
>>>> forced, like Germany and Japan, to depend excessively on a
>>>> mercantilist (export-based) economy. You can see where it's gotten
>>>> them: in a downturn,
>>>> they're sucking wind from all directions. Not only do they feel the
>>>> recession more sharply than we do, but they can't do a damned thing
>>>> about
>>>> it
>>>> until the economies of their trading partners pick up.
>>>>
>>>> All in all, it wouldn't be healthy for us to have a flat tax
>>>> and/or a VAT.
>>>> We be in a real race to the bottom against China, SE Asia, and a
>>>> few others.
>>>> Our economy really does rely on high rates of domestic
>>>> consumption, and, most of the time, it leaves us in a stronger
>>>> position overall. That's why
>>>> our Treasury bills still sell to foreigners. They've lost some of
>>>> their glitter lately but you would expect, all else being equal,
>>>> that they would
>>>> have completely tanked.
>>>>
>>>> All else isn't equal because we can recover from a recession
>>>> better than most. And our tax system is part of the reason. Tinker
>>>> with it at your peril.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John R. Carroll
>>>
>>> Is there an echo in here? d8-)
>>>
>>
>> I'm not hearing one.
>> But I thought I would be hearing a lot of carping and arguing about
>> what JC just said. Because whenever anyone tells the truth about our
>> country the right wing boys come out of the woodwork to argue
>> against it. So I'm expecting a barrage against what he said any
>> minute now. Probably led by the Goober, who knows nothing about what
>> was said.
>>
>> Hawke
>
> This is a bit of a joke. John cut and pasted one of my old messages.
> I'm curious to see if it gets a different reaction when his name is
> on it. d8-)

So far, Tom's just changed hobby horses <G>
First it was taxes, now he's riding school boards and teachers.
I think my alternative is a lot closer to reality than either of those.
Cleveland, Cincinnati and Detroit are going to have to go through the same
evolution that Flint, Michigan has undertaken to heal themselves.

--
John R. Carroll

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 12:48 pm
From: "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> fired this volley in
news:joegwinn-2A0351.13220428032010@news.giganews.com:

> Cause? The Y-axis feedscrew is on the right side of the saddle, so if
> the saddle-to-knee gib is loose the saddle will cock one way when
> being cranked closer to the column and will cock the other way when
> being cranked away from the column. So, time to adjust the
> saddle-knee gib. This was easily done, and eliminated the X-axis
> motion due to Y-axis motion. I wonder when that gib was last
> tightened.
>

Not for nothin', Joe, but checking the gibs is normally a weekly
cleanup/lubrication task.

I normally expect after one (not over-fed) cut in either direction to
pull swarf in the other.

LLoyd

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 2:32 pm
From: Wes

cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> And, he didn't have AutoCAD or Alibre to do his designs <VBG>
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Neither did NASA when we went to the moon.
>

I wonder how much sooner we would have got there if the engineers had a scientific
calculator instead of those books of logarithms?

Wes

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 3:21 pm
From: Wes

Eregon <Eragon@Saphira.org> wrote:

>> High capacity? How many people do you figure are going to be attacking
>> you at one time? If its more than 3..doncha think a rifle would be a
>> better tool?
>>
>
>Personally, I prefer a shotgun with 00 buck for the shorter ranges if
>there's to be a crowd. <grin>
>
>The old Ithaca 37 definitely has its advantages, especially with the
>extended mag tube...

Yah, but it is hard to carry a shotgun in your pants pocket. If I had time to plan, I'd
plan to avoid the situation.

Wes

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 3:28 pm
From: Wes

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>> If I want an accurate handgun I pick my revolvers or my T/C Contender
>> depending on use.
>
>One of the gun magazines reported at the time that the SSM was the most
>accurate revolver, out-of-the-box, that they had ever tested. It can shoot a
>lot straighter than I can.

I don't doubt it is very accurate. A solid chunk of metal that keeps your hand steady and
a round with enough power for many things that isn't a burden to cope with.

Every shooter should have a few reference guns. If you can't shoot well with an
intrinsicly accurate rifle or pistol, then the firearm you are playing with may not be at
fault if you get lousy results.

If I'm playing with a hard recoiling firearm, I like to check myself out shooting an
accurate .22 pistol or rifle depending on what I'm playing with. If I can't shoot the ez
gun well, I have no business wasting time and money on the hard gun.

Wes

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 2:37 pm
From: cavelamb

Wes wrote:
> cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>> And, he didn't have AutoCAD or Alibre to do his designs <VBG>
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Neither did NASA when we went to the moon.
>>
>
>
> I wonder how much sooner we would have got there if the engineers had a scientific
> calculator instead of those books of logarithms?
>
> Wes

You mean like - now???

I'm almost ready to believe that it was a one-time thing.

Will we EVER go back?

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 3:49 pm
From: Wes

cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote:

>You mean like - now???
>
>I'm almost ready to believe that it was a one-time thing.
>
>Will we EVER go back?

I hope we don't abandon space. I must have Shatner in my head but it is the 'Final
Frontier' and most of us in the US are decended from explorers. It is in our genetics.

Wes

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TOPIC: fun with your tractor
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 1:41 pm
From: Winston

On 3/28/2010 5:03 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

(...)

> Lewis Carroll was a mathematician, you know. The axis of iy points
> down the rabbit hole.
>
> jsw

Optimal!

As soon as the last politico crawls in, I'll be there to
roll a very real boulder on top of the opening.

--Winston

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TOPIC: An open letter to conservatives
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 2:44 pm
From: Wes

sittingduck <duck@spamherelots.com> wrote:

>This "conservative" should have read the whole thing, but instead reacts in a
>typical way, hurling names and cursing.
>
>Sad. And predictable.

Duck, google up your posts during the Bush Presidency. You have a very selective memory.

Wes

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 2:22 pm
From: "PrecisionmachinisT"

"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a57vq5du1n7h2h88neumrj462ekdeme0mr@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:12:33 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> <precisionmachinist@notmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Then there's the self-satisfied, sanctimonious conservative fucks--when
they
> >can't seem to conjure up anything at all which would counter a
detractor's
> >claims they angrily launch into a childish tirade instead, calling folks
> >"liberals" as though it were some sort of invective, maybe toss in a few
> >choice swear words for good measure....
>
>
> You mean Liberals arent bad people, moderately mentally ill?
>

Pretty much yes...

...AND...

Congratulations !!!

--for once in your life you may finally have gotten at least one thing
correct.

> Denial is not a river in Egypt.

Evading by reciting a tired, incredibly worn out cliché instead of actually
countering your detracter's claims.....how impressive.....yup, your opinion
here most certainly deserves the utmost respect....

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 2:12 pm
From: Doug White

I'm going nuts trying to locate a source for a specific size of
wire/cable clip/clamp. Here's a picture:

http://users.rcn.com/gwhite/Misc/Wire_Clips.jpg

They are 3/8" wide, and fit a 1/8" diameter cable. The screw hole is ~
0.150" in diameter, so they easily take a #6 screw. I have a couple in
my miscellaneous hardware collection. Some have an oxidized tin finish,
and some appear to be bright zinc plated. I have no idea where the ones
I have came from, or how ancient they might be. They can't be that
exotic, given that I have some from two different sources.

I have tried McMaster Carr, Keystone, Heyco, Digikey, Allied, Mouser,
etc., to no avail. Part of the problem is that everyone calls them
something slightly different. Most of the clips only go down to half an
inch wide, which won't work. The only 3/8" wide clips I can find are
from KMC Stampings, and they have a 1/8th inch hole, which won't take a #
6 screw.

I need ~ 100 of these for a product I have in mind, so it's more than I
want to drill out, and too few to warrant ordering them custom. The
alternative to these clamps is to do a lot more machining, which will
probably render the entire effort uneconomical. It took me a couple
weeks of pondering to come up with this approach, and given that I
already have enough to build some prototypes, I figured I was all set.

I've mostly been focusing on electronics vendors, because that is the
most likely source for the ones I have. They could also be used to hold
down tubing on something, or control cables on lawn mowers, etc.

Does anyone recognize these & can you recommend a supplier?

Thanks!

Doug White

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TOPIC: The Rage
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 2:24 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Mar 28, 10:19 am, Concerend Citizen <hot-ham-and-
che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 10:53 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> wrote:
>
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/opinion/28rich.html
> > "The Rage Is Not About Health Care"
>
> The rage is about representatives not representing.
>
> > [
> > ...
> > ... births to Asian, black and Hispanic women accounted for 48 percent of all
> > births in America in the 12 months ending in July 2008. By 2012, the next
> > presidential election year, non-Hispanic white births will be in the minority.
> > The Tea Party movement is virtually all white. The Republicans haven't had a
> > single African-American in the Senate or the House since 2003 and have had only
> > three in total since 1935.
> > ...
> > ... G.O.P. by remaining silent as mass hysteria, some of it encompassing armed
> > militias, runs amok in their own precincts. We know the end of that story.
>
> There were arrests last night in Indiana, according to the news. And
> you want to claim they were Tea Party?
>
> And
>
> > they can't pretend that we're talking about "isolated incidents" or a "fringe"
> > utterly divorced from the G.O.P. A Quinnipiac poll last week found that 74
> > percent of Tea Party members identify themselves as Republicans or
> > Republican-leaning independents,
> > ....
> > Yet no Republican or conservative leader of stature has taken on Palin, Perry,
> > Boehner or any of the others who have been stoking these fires for a good 17
> > months now. Last week McCain even endorsed Palin's "reload" rhetoric.
>
> > Are these politicians so frightened of offending anyone in the Tea Party-Glenn
> > Beck base that they would rather fall silent than call out its extremist
> > elements and their enablers?
> > ....
> > ]
>
> Why do they have to be frightened? What are they supposed to be
> frightend of?

The rage is about representatives not representing....the conservative
wackos.

Crazy people get nasty when normal people ignore their rants.

TMT

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 2:55 pm
From: "RogerN"

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b92a7a54-e36a-462b-a408-52c6418fa3ef@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 28, 10:19 am, Concerend Citizen <hot-ham-and-
che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 10:53 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> wrote:
>
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/opinion/28rich.html
> > "The Rage Is Not About Health Care"
>
> The rage is about representatives not representing.
>
> > [
> > ...
> > ... births to Asian, black and Hispanic women accounted for 48 percent
> > of all
> > births in America in the 12 months ending in July 2008. By 2012, the
> > next
> > presidential election year, non-Hispanic white births will be in the
> > minority.
> > The Tea Party movement is virtually all white. The Republicans haven't
> > had a
> > single African-American in the Senate or the House since 2003 and have
> > had only
> > three in total since 1935.
> > ...
> > ... G.O.P. by remaining silent as mass hysteria, some of it encompassing
> > armed
> > militias, runs amok in their own precincts. We know the end of that
> > story.
>
> There were arrests last night in Indiana, according to the news. And
> you want to claim they were Tea Party?
>
> And
>
> > they can't pretend that we're talking about "isolated incidents" or a
> > "fringe"
> > utterly divorced from the G.O.P. A Quinnipiac poll last week found that
> > 74
> > percent of Tea Party members identify themselves as Republicans or
> > Republican-leaning independents,
> > ....
> > Yet no Republican or conservative leader of stature has taken on Palin,
> > Perry,
> > Boehner or any of the others who have been stoking these fires for a
> > good 17
> > months now. Last week McCain even endorsed Palin's "reload" rhetoric.
>
> > Are these politicians so frightened of offending anyone in the Tea
> > Party-Glenn
> > Beck base that they would rather fall silent than call out its extremist
> > elements and their enablers?
> > ....
> > ]
>
> Why do they have to be frightened? What are they supposed to be
> frightend of?
\
\The rage is about representatives not representing....the conservative
\wackos.
\
\Crazy people get nasty when normal people ignore their rants.
\
\TMT

And the crazy people kept ranting about the sane people until the crazy
people got elected and now run and ruin the country. It's a crazy people
takeover!

RogerN

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TOPIC: The Great Reneger
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 2:49 pm
From: pyotr filipivich

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> on or
about Sun, 28 Mar 2010 04:23:14 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:55:17 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Let the Record show that "Stormin Mormon"
>><cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> on or about Sat, 27 Mar 2010
>>11:01:54 -0400 did write/type or cause to appear in
>>rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>Thanks. Good video. I guess there are negers and re-negers?
>>>Don't you just hate people who neg you all the time?
>>
>> I'm still wondering what buke is.. I mean, how can I be rebuked
>>if I haven't been buked?
>
>Thats not like bukkake is it?

Not even hardly close ...

pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

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