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TOPIC: OT: Ivy "feet" adhesive removal
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/acbc8cde17e4af81?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:05 am
From: "Royston Vasey"

<stans4@prolynx.com> wrote in message
news:7978e404-d548-4365-852b-afba270ca63a@g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 14, 8:21 am, "Buerste" <buer...@att.net> wrote:
> Ivy can be very destructive and I'm amazed at the tenacity of those little
> glue pads. I've talked to a lot of people and looked for a good way to
> remove them from various surfaces with no luck. The worst is vinyl siding.
> Has the DOD looked into this adhesive? (no, a wire brush is NOT a good way
> to go!)
>
> Other than some minor electrical work, replacing a sagging beam and
> installing a post in the basement, the sale of the old house is a done
> deal.
> I had it on the market for a grand total of 12 days before a young couple
> with kids made an offer and they accepted my counter in a few hours. The
> house will suite them very well and they can just move in, everything is
> fresh. But, those ivy feet look terrible on the front porch.

Had that crap on the house when we moved in in '61. We kids had the
"fun" of pulling the ivy off the brick for several years. Only thing
I found to get rid of the residue is a propane torch, very carefully
used. Was still a bunch of the pads left on the bricks when we sold
the place a couple of years back. Nasty stuff, bugs and critters love
it, would even invade window screens. Mosquito population went way
down once the ivy, the junipers and the hedge went. Place was a real
jungle when we moved in. I repainted the trim and windows when I was
in college one summer, torching off the paint took care of the ivy
pads on that stuff.

Stan

Gardening program last night had the same question - suggestion was to heat
with and electric heat gun & then remove.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:57 am
From: Winston

On 4/15/2010 5:02 AM, Robert Swinney wrote:
> Mike sez:
>
> "Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
> A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?
> Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
> A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?'
>
> Showing your age, huh, Mike? You went over the heads of 75% of RCM readers with that one>
>
> Bob Swinney

74%

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dO07b_2MkQ

--Winston

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TOPIC: What is it? Set 332
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4a34e57b6daa01fa?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:18 am
From: Jesse

On Apr 15, 6:09 am, "Rob H." <rhv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Need some help with the unusual shovel this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob

1903: Brace for drilling angled holes in handrails for stairs?

1906: Coal shovel

1907: Corn cribs

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:48 am
From: Ted Schuerzinger

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 06:09:16 -0400, Rob H. wrote:

> Need some help with the unusual shovel this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

Unfortunately, I'm generally not very good at these....

1903. Looks like one part of it should be turned the way you'd turn an
old-fashioned manual drill, but of course there's no visible drill bit
here.

1905. The original wire hanger that resulted in Christina Crawford
getting the shit beat out of her by Joan.

1906. For shovelling horses' hooves.

1908. Sex toy for all your kinky paddling needs. (Because we *all*
have kinky paddling needs.)

--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:43 am
From: "joeljcarver@aol.com"

> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

1903 - corner brace or, specifically, a gear frame brace.

1904 - gas burner head

1905 - necktie rack

1907 - corn crib

1908 - some sort of one-handed clamp or holder

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 8:12 am
From: Bill

Rob H. wrote:
> Need some help with the unusual shovel this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

1908 is a "giant clothes-pin"!

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 8:41 am
From: Sonny

1907 - Guessing: First one, a chicken coup or sheep shed and the
second one, a hog's shed. Seems to me, they would each house some
sort of animal, not a product.

Sonny

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:02 am
From: Bill

Rob H. wrote:
> Need some help with the unusual shovel this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

1904 -- Predecessor of our modern electrical poles which help distribute
electricity?

Bill

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:08 am
From: Bill

> Rob H. wrote:
>> Need some help with the unusual shovel this week:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob

1905 -- Hanging (animal) hides to dry?

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TOPIC: OT: [OT] That was funny!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bae1b5ba237c255b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:38 am
From: Winston

On 4/15/2010 5:53 AM, Lewis Hartswick wrote:
> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>> Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Violet Gives Willingly for Gold or
>>> Silver...
>>>
>>
>> Crom yes..I use it at least once a week!
>>
>
> After reading those for over 30 years you don't need
> any mnemonics. :-) Just looking at any color brings
> the number up automatically. :-)
> ...lew...

Yup.

Within a couple weeks of introduction,
I could read popular resistor values directly.

I suspect that is true for most folks.

A glance at Brown - Black - Orange gives me the idea '10K'
instantly.

Don't tell SWMBO, but at flea markets I memorize her outfit
by color code so I can pick her out easily in a large crowd.
A green blouse with bluejeans is '56'. :)

SMT resistors are easier and much more difficult.
I can noodle most of them out very quickly but some of those
1% values use a 'Magic Decoder' scheme that always
defeats me:

"For some 1% resistors, a three-digit alphanumeric code is sometimes
used, which is not obviously related to the value but can be derived
from a table of 1% values. For instance, a resistor marked 68C is 499
(68) × 100(C) = 49,900 Ω. In this case the value 499 is the 68th
entry of a table of 1% values between 100 and 999."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_color_code

--Winston

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:51 am
From: Winston

On 4/15/2010 5:57 AM, Lewis Hartswick wrote:
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> How about a binary clock?

Colors would be much more decorative and fun, IMHO

>>
> BCD
> Good one. Would you use 1,2,4,2* or 1,2,4,8,???
> I think the 1,2,4,2* would be the best.
> ...lew...

'8,4,2,1' would be much more intuitive for me.
It'd read much more quickly if the '8' bulb were
gray, the '4' bulb yellow, '2' red and '1' brown.
(Do I sound like a broken record?) :)

I proudly reveal my ignorance.
What the heck is '2*' as in '1,2,4,2*'?

--Winston

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TOPIC: Need suggestions for painting aluminum?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/98d070c0f21a4415?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:40 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:04:54 -0400, the infamous "Steve W."
<csr684@NOTyahoo.com> scrawled the following:

>KG wrote:
>> I need suggestions on painting an aluminum clutch cover for a car. I Goggled it and found umpteen
>> hits on how to chemically etch the cover & cleaning it, but this is just a home project to paint it
>> an aluminum color. The cover is on a show car so it will not see much bad weather. I'm looking
>> for a method that can be easily done at home at a reasonable cost. Any realistic suggestions would
>> be appreciated.
>> *****************
>> Thank You kgsAT@msbx.net
>>
>>
>> To reply to this email please remove the AT
>> after the kgs in the reply to address as shown above.
>>
>> Never ever under estimate the incompetent.
>
>
>Don't paint it. Polish it and hit it with a clear coat.

[KG: What he said.]

You're right, Steve. For a show car, polishing and clearcoating is a
much better idea than MexiChroming.

--
STOP THE SLAUGHTER! Boycott Baby Oil!

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TOPIC: rock moving trailer
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/82291bc71526ca50?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:45 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:32:19 -0700, the infamous "Steve B"
<deserttraveler@dishynail.net> scrawled the following:

>
>"Ignoramus18864" <ignoramus18864@NOSPAM.18864.invalid> wrote in message
>news:L9WdnfWCALVIwFvWnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On 2010-04-14, Steve B <deserttraveler@dishynail.net> wrote:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/deserttraveler/
>>>
>>> Explanation on there. I think it would be easy to make one out of 3 " x
>>> 3 "
>>> tubing, making it like a very large lever to lift the rock only a foot or
>>> so. Easy to drop the rock just where you want it, too.
>>
>> Very nice trailer. Looks practical.
>>
>> i
>
>$10 at a yard sale. It pivots, too, to dump.

Wow, an Iggylike deal. Cool for you.

P.S: You Suck!

--
STOP THE SLAUGHTER! Boycott Baby Oil!

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TOPIC: China's economy roars
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fc7e030eba7ff125?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:57 am
From: "Bush's Jockstrap, Rush"

"Gunner Asch" <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m40es5d7fu2f50sd903qe7juh1h4no2vru@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:29:41 -0700 (PDT), Kevin Cunningham
> <smskjc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 15, 5:13 am, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:drcds5hrar56904e9qlnrlmnjl7o3h3vph@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> > http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE63D09120100415?type=usDollarRpt
>>> > "China's economy began 2010 at a cracking pace, logging surprisingly
>>> > strong
>>> > 11.9 percent year-on-year growth in the first quarter ..."
>>>
>>> > Dang communists!!
>>> > Communism will never work, eh, gummer?
>>> > Can you get a job there?
>>> > --
>>> > Cliff
>>>
>>> It is NOT communism they have in China--it is DICTATORSHIP, for
>>> starters.
>>> The elite/Communist party members do very well in their modified
>>> capitalism
>>> system. It is a dictatorship that will go down in history as being one
>>> of
>>> the TOP FIVE of all tyrannical, despotic cruel governments, rivaled by
>>> Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia.
>>
>>So why are all you conservatives buying Red Chinese stuff? Why do we
>>trade with these evil people? Why did Bush-Cheney fall all over
>>themselves to be nice to those evil Reds? Why did Bush-Cheney pay
>>people tax money so they would move their factories to China?
>
>
> Because we cant get American made stuff in certain items? TVs and
> electronic equipment for example?
>
> Actually..you are forgetting Clinton was REALLY nice to Red China, after
> all..he gave them billions of dollars worth of TOP SECRET military
> hardware. And he did set the laws up to make it desireable for many
> companies to move their manufacturing in China
>
> And he refused to sign NAFTA
>
>
> Gunner
>
>
> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> the subject." Grey Ghost

Bush good.

Clinton bad, ugh, ugh!

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TOPIC: Does anyone know this old metal shaper?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/da67813875f7af85?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:01 am
From: Joseph Gwinn

In article <b829d88d-6a1a-475e-b9c5-103be81fdd7f@h27g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
adsodamelk <adsomelk7@virgilio.it> wrote:

> Feed screws:
> Tool slide screw is a 6 thread for inch, i think is a acme, isn't it?

The metric equivalent of US Acme threads is Trapezoidal Metric threads.

> Both table screw, vertical and horizontal are 4 thread for inch.
>
> They are imperial. Bat all assemble bolts and nuts are metric, i'm
> sure because i have replace a lot of them.
>
> The dial of tool slide is wrong. It say 4,5 mm a turn instead of
> 4,23 , i.e. 1/6" .

How did you measure the 6 turns per inch?

What is the diameter of the tool slide screw?

Joe Gwinn

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TOPIC: Karl, what do you think about this kit
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/03393350cf311ee5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:03 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:53:06 -0500, the infamous "Karl Townsend"
<karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> scrawled the following:

>
>>> I can't comment on whether this particular vendor's offer is good. There
>>> are
>>> many offers like this around. I've not used any nor investigated them.
>>
>> Are there any kits that you have investigated?
>
>No, steppers ABSOLUTELY do not meet my needs.

Do they leave a stepped finish, or what? Why the horror/caps?

>I changed my servo Bandit knee
>mill over to an Ahha control with steppers and was sorry. That was about
>1995. I strictly scrounge auctions and eBay. Doing this, a commercial
>control worth 15K can be done for 2K or even less. After doing Ahha, Mach,
>Centroid, and (very briefly) EMC; I've settled on only Camsoft for my
>control software.

What did you get with Camsoft that the others didn't have, Karl?

LJ, in learning mode.

--
STOP THE SLAUGHTER! Boycott Baby Oil!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 8:39 am
From: "Pete C."

Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:53:06 -0500, the infamous "Karl Townsend"
> <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
> >
> >>> I can't comment on whether this particular vendor's offer is good. There
> >>> are
> >>> many offers like this around. I've not used any nor investigated them.
> >>
> >> Are there any kits that you have investigated?
> >
> >No, steppers ABSOLUTELY do not meet my needs.
>
> Do they leave a stepped finish, or what? Why the horror/caps?

Open loop control, i.e. you have to supervise the machine closely to
stop it if the steppers start missing steps due to high loading since
the control can't detect it. Otherwise, as long as they are operating
within their limits they work just fine and are less expensive.

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TOPIC: Bought 5 yrs ago??????????
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bd018efff4ebe55a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:09 am
From: Larry Jaques

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:34:56 -0500, the infamous Pete Keillor
<keillorp135@chartermi.net> scrawled the following:

>On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:45:29 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/E1283-2005-LINCOLN-SHIELD-ARC-WELDER-SA250_W0QQitemZ280490905855QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Welders?hash=item414e8f90ff
>>
>>
>>Blink blink.....blink.....
>>
>>
>It fell off the work boat and has been stored in the bottom of the
>harbor for 5 yrs.

"Idling problems" troubleshooting usually don't include removing the
control panel or the bell covering the generator end.

Then again, I got $275 for my frozen-engined SAE300, so $50 ain't bad
for junk.

--
STOP THE SLAUGHTER! Boycott Baby Oil!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 8:04 am
From: "Steve B"

"Larry Jaques" <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
news:ad7es599i6991sum9vcebl97v1iooa2a21@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:34:56 -0500, the infamous Pete Keillor
> <keillorp135@chartermi.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:45:29 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/E1283-2005-LINCOLN-SHIELD-ARC-WELDER-SA250_W0QQitemZ280490905855QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Welders?hash=item414e8f90ff
>>>
>>>
>>>Blink blink.....blink.....
>>>
>>>
>>It fell off the work boat and has been stored in the bottom of the
>>harbor for 5 yrs.
>
> "Idling problems" troubleshooting usually don't include removing the
> control panel or the bell covering the generator end.
>
> Then again, I got $275 for my frozen-engined SAE300, so $50 ain't bad
> for junk.
>
> --
> STOP THE SLAUGHTER! Boycott Baby Oil!

I paid $300 for a SA200, but it had a lot of other stuff with it. I did not
hear it run until I got it home, put a battery on it, cleaned out the
distributor, etc, etc, etc.

Sometimes with these little engines, they may seem like junk, but just need
a knowing person to get them spinning.

And other times, they are just plain DOA. Still, for parts ..........
as with a lot of machinery, you can make more from parting it out.
Steve

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TOPIC: Is it me?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f5258a0f1fcd2347?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:16 am
From: "RAM³"

"Robert Swinney" <judybob@tx.rr.com> wrote in
news:_vSdnX2fDcphmFrWnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com:

> Good observation re. the mentality of those victims of advertising who
> only appreciate "cheap".

The late-night infomercials are far more humorous than the sitcoms...
<grin>

OTOH, I've been told that I have an "unusual" sense of humor... <GRIN>

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TOPIC: Organizer Software ListerPro V1.9
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/340c60d74b4c221e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:22 am
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TOPIC: Just a heads up....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/507d36381a50823d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:26 am
From: Eregon

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in
news:4bc6d612$0$5011$607ed4bc@cv.net:

> Now they can defend themselves with Toyotas and Hyundais -- if they
> can get enough parts from Asia...

Also Fords, Dodges, and a whole slew of military vehicles - not to mention
the shipyards, munitions plants, and other non-union manufacturing
facilities.

Thanks to the NIMBY attitudes of the yankees and left-coasters there's the
majority of refineries and sufficient petroleum production to enable us to
be self-sufficient while letting the snow belt freeze over each winter.

FWIW, a high volume of yankees migrate south each winter and provide us
with quite a bit of their children's/grandchildren's inheritances...

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:39 am
From: Eregon

Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
news:nqpds5tck85ve3crhskedeirujaj0blpgu@4ax.com:

> However..that has changed significantly..reversed in fact. It would
seem
> that manufacturing in the southern states is virutally on the same
level
> or more than the northern states now.
>

While the Armed Conflict Phase has been over for quite a while, The War
of The Northern Agression continues - and the South is winning!

While the Left Coast rejects both manufacturing and petroleum production
and the Yankees (who have truly become the Union States) have converted
from Capitalism to Socialism with a corresponding shift from work to
welfare, the Southern States have not only retained their work ethic but
their jobs as well.

BTW, for those who haven't figured it out yet, a map of the US that shows
the railroad lines as of 1860 will explain why the ACP came to an easily-
predicted conclusion: Logistics and Mobility.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 8:44 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Eregon" <Eragon@Saphira.org> wrote in message
news:Xns9D5B601A3251DEragon@74.209.131.10...
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in
> news:4bc6d612$0$5011$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
>> Now they can defend themselves with Toyotas and Hyundais -- if they
>> can get enough parts from Asia...
>
> Also Fords, Dodges, and a whole slew of military vehicles - not to mention
> the shipyards, munitions plants, and other non-union manufacturing
> facilities.
>
> Thanks to the NIMBY attitudes of the yankees and left-coasters there's the
> majority of refineries and sufficient petroleum production to enable us to
> be self-sufficient while letting the snow belt freeze over each winter.
>
> FWIW, a high volume of yankees migrate south each winter and provide us
> with quite a bit of their children's/grandchildren's inheritances...

Total manufacturing in the south, even including states like Oklahoma and
New Mexico, is 39% of the US total. Don't start another rebellion. <g>

The supposed amount of manufacturing in the south is grossly overestimated
by most people. It's startling because there was so little manufacturing in
the past, but there isn't all that much of it now, either.

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Heat/air for small garage/shop
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/21ca08258ce8d2a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 8:13 am
From: RBnDFW

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:32:47 -0700 (PDT), stryped <stryped1@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 14, 3:23 pm, RBnDFW <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> stryped wrote:
>>>> I have been looking around at used heat/air conditioners for my garage/
>>>> shop. It is not used all the time, mainly on weekends currently. It is
>>>> a 30x30x10 metal building with 2x4 walls in the inside and 2x4 trusses
>>>> on the ceiling.
>>>> I found a local heating air guy that has an 80's 3 ton unit that he
>>>> says was workign when pulled out of the house. The owner wanted to
>>>> upgrade. But, it is not a split system like I have in my house.
>>>> Is there a way to use this and it not look bad ? I mean, how would you
>>>> do the duct from the outside to the inside with a 2x4 wall?
>>>> Would this be too inefficent since it is old even though I am not in
>>>> there all the time. It does get terribly hot in there in the summer, I
>>>> am not as concerned about heat in the winter. I am in the process of
>>>> insulating currently and have no inside wall material as of yet other
>>>> than studs.
>>>> I have a 100 amp panel in my garage.
>>>> This unit is 300 bucks.
>>> For my money (and in my 24x40 shop) a Home Depot window unit in the back
>>> endwall works fine. Pushes cold air all the way to the far wall, no
>>> problem. My requirements at the shop are different from my home. I'm
>>> only there once or twice a week, and I don't want sweat pouring off me
>>> while I work. A window unit knocks the 100 degrees 80% humidity down to
>>> something comfortable in about 30 minutes.
>>> They run for years, are quite efficient, and when they quit, you
>>> just buy another for ~$300. Much cheaper in the long run.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> Problem is I dont have a window.
>
>
> Then you simply cut a hole in the wall in some place that wont interfer
> with work benches etc etc..frame it, and install the AC
>
> Gunner, who lives in the desert and has no AC in his shop. Yet.
>
>
>
> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> the subject." Grey Ghost

Yep. Best spot is overhead, high as possible, for circulation as well as
security.

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