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TOPIC: Yonnie (bunko) Bonker's bog bit the dust !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f001d1a2878abc9e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 8:59 am
From: Black Dragon

Cliff wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 19:09:18 +0000 (UTC), Black Dragon <bd@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>>DIVE!!! DIVE!!! DIVE!!!
>>UP PERISCOPE!!!

> Down Periscope
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_Periscope

>>(Ooops, sorry, wrong fantasy.)

> Lauren Holly
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Holly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu_Md5S0frg

--
Black Dragon

Men live for three things, fast cars, fast women and fast food.

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TOPIC: Anyone have an External Hard drive available?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4ad5b9a20cfca5fd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 9:05 am
From: cavelamb <""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net">

On 4/7/2010 7:39 AM, Snag wrote:
> cavelamb"<""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net wrote:
>> On 4/6/2010 9:01 PM, Greg O wrote:
>>>
>>> "Snag"<snag_one@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:KOjun.198599$Dv7.43006@newsfe17.iad...
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> www.newegg.com is your friend . I'm using a laptop drive in a case I
>>>> bought for them for under 10 bucks . They also have cases for
>>>> internal desktop drives , I think .
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Snag
>>>> I've also backed up
>>>> everything on multiple
>>>> computers .
>>>>
>>>
>>> Same here, I bought a drive case for ~$15 from Buy.com and slipped a
>>> spare 80 gig drive in it for back up. Also the wife had a Western
>>> Digital "Book" external drive that died. I tore it apart, and it had
>>> a normal HD in it. I bought a case for it too and we still use it
>>> back up too.
>>>
>>> One other deal I picked up off Buy.com is a do-dad that will plug
>>> into any HD and you can plug into the USB port and pull the info off
>>> the drive. That was only $15 or so too. Saved data from a couple
>>> computers with it already. I had a laptop that died, it would not
>>> power up and had some info on the drive I really wanted, plus pulled
>>> info off a drive a friend brought over from a crashed desktop. Well
>>> worth the bucks if you have a crashed computer that you want info
>>> off of! Greg
>>
>>
>> What is the name of that do-dad, Greg?
>> Or better yet, a link?
>>
>> I have a box full of old MFM drives...
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Richard Lamb
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/
>
> Check my post above , newegg stock # for a Sabrent USB-DSC5 unit was
> posted . Around 20 bucks plus shipping . Mine was a gift for helping a
> friend work on his motorcycle . He's the guy I call when a comp stumps me ,
> since he's an IT guy for a multinat corp .
>

Coolness. Thanks Snag.

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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TOPIC: On carbon vs. stainless steel in grills
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6792301c4ff731b6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 9:19 am
From: stans4@prolynx.com

On Apr 7, 6:33 am, "fran...123" <storkensteinrem...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Bob Villa" <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:032e4a58-aebd-4909-82f0-28d46f9c9a30@r1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 7, 1:40 am, Ernie Leimkuhler <er...@stagesmith.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <ge3nr59j81v6p2na5fsqhoqk2nm7o48...@4ax.com>, Oren
>
> > <O...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:08:19 -0500, Ignoramus17356
> > > <ignoramus17...@NOSPAM.17356.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > >On 2010-04-06, Leo Lichtman <leo.licht...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > > >> "Ignoramus17356" wrote: Yes, Sir, indeed stainless is good stuff.
> > > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > >> A rose is a rose is a rose--but stainless comes in a variety of
> > > >> alloys.
> > > >> From your experience, some are good in the barbecue, but others may
> > > >> not
> > > >> be.
>
> > > >It looks like my barbecue is using the particular alloy that is good
> > > >in barbecues.
>
> > > >i
>
> > > When I bought my grill, I used the "magnet test for stainless steel" *
> > > The magnet did not stick to the grill grates and have not rusted in
> > > the five years I've had it.
>
> > > "If the magnet sticks, don't buy it."
>
> > >http://bbq.about.com/od/gasgrills/a/aa052706a.htm
>
> > Try walking through the IKEA kitchen section with a small magnet.
> > Amazing how much of their "stainless steel" is magnetic.
> > Surprised the hell out of me when I first noticed it.
>
> Many types of SS (I believe "alloy" is a word used in "castings") are
> good quality even if magnetic. It depends on the amount of chromium
> used. And IIRC, the non-magnetic is nickel stainless.
>
> bob
>
> Isn't really the symmetry of the crystalline structure of the metal grains
> involved in whether the stuff is magnetic or not? The hexagonal symmetry
> grains being magnetic.
>
> Fran- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Depends on whether it's got ferrite in it or not. High chromium/
nickel steels aren't magnetic, but make lousy knives and gun parts.
Finished reading a book on intergranular corrosion in stainless, the
stuff tends to get attacked on grain boundaries because the grain
themselves have the oxide protection. So eventually the material
literally falls apart, how fast depends on how large the grains are.
Forged/rolled items tend to have fine grain structure, as-cast is
coarse. Weldments are probably coarse unless post-treated somehow.

Had one junk man who depended on his little magnet to tell him if his
junk was stainless steel or not, had to tell him that it could be
stainless AND magnetic, he didn't believe me.

Stan

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TOPIC: labelling plastic parts bins
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fd33d95a349efe81?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 9:21 am
From: stans4@prolynx.com

On Apr 6, 8:45 pm, "Stu Fields" <e...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
> Well I've tried some of the suggestions to be able to glue some computer
> generated labels on some plastic parts bins. I sanded the plastic
> carefully, cleaned it with acetone and applied an Avery sticky label.
> No joy. Label nearly falls off. Seems kinda crazy that Global sells these
> things with a surface obviously designed for some label and then can't tell
> you what adhesive or label to use.
>
> Still trying some of the other suggestions.
>
> Dang....

If they're new, they'll have a recycling symbol with the plastic type
on it, what's the number?(so I don't buy the same!)

Stan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 10:11 am
From: Jim Stewart

Stu Fields wrote:
> Well I've tried some of the suggestions to be able to glue some computer
> generated labels on some plastic parts bins. I sanded the plastic
> carefully, cleaned it with acetone and applied an Avery sticky label.
> No joy. Label nearly falls off. Seems kinda crazy that Global sells these
> things with a surface obviously designed for some label and then can't tell
> you what adhesive or label to use.
>
> Still trying some of the other suggestions.

I've had good luck with a piece of clear
packing tape. Overlap about 1/4" all around.

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TOPIC: Reducing diameter of straight drill bits
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/7262d560ac9bab6e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 9:26 am
From: stans4@prolynx.com

On Apr 6, 11:21 pm, Ignoramus17356 <ignoramus17...@NOSPAM.
17356.invalid> wrote:
> I need to drill some 21/32 holes with a hand drill, not accessible to
> drill press.
>
> I do not have a reduced shank 21/32 drill bit and new they cost $30+.
> I have a 21/32 straight shank drill bit, but it is too wide to fit any
> of my handheld electric drills, which go up to 1/2".
>
> I thought I could reduce a shank of that drill bit by simply chucking
> it in a lathe and taking off some diameter with a carbide tool. What
> are the drawbacks, if any, of doing so?
>
> i

As the others have said, the shanks are soft. Just don't leave a
sharp corner where you turn the thing down, if the drill jams up, it
could leave you with a twisted-off shank in the chuck and the drill
stuck in the work. That's if you've got a drill that can wrap you up
if it jams. Some of the cheapies will just stall out.

Stan

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 10:10 am
From: Ignoramus8052

On 2010-04-07, stans4@prolynx.com <stans4@prolynx.com> wrote:
> As the others have said, the shanks are soft. Just don't leave a
> sharp corner where you turn the thing down, if the drill jams up, it
> could leave you with a twisted-off shank in the chuck and the drill
> stuck in the work. That's if you've got a drill that can wrap you up
> if it jams. Some of the cheapies will just stall out.

I have two drills like that, that could twist my arms. I prefer using
the less powerful drills where possible. It is a very unpleasant
sensation. The application is to enlarge a 5/8 nominal hole to become
a 21/32 hole, and to later tap it for 3/4-10 thread.

This is actually to move that Bridgeport Interact II.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 12:20 pm
From: Bill Martin

Ignoramus8052 wrote:
> On 2010-04-07, stans4@prolynx.com <stans4@prolynx.com> wrote:
>> As the others have said, the shanks are soft. Just don't leave a
>> sharp corner where you turn the thing down, if the drill jams up, it
>> could leave you with a twisted-off shank in the chuck and the drill
>> stuck in the work. That's if you've got a drill that can wrap you up
>> if it jams. Some of the cheapies will just stall out.
>
> I have two drills like that, that could twist my arms. I prefer using
> the less powerful drills where possible. It is a very unpleasant
> sensation.

The application is to enlarge a 5/8 nominal hole to become
> a 21/32 hole, and to later tap it for 3/4-10 thread.
>
>
Be really careful.. a big starter hole like that will want to grab the
drill bit and twist it, with significant force on "you". Any way you can
grind a pilot on the end of the drill bit that fits the original hole?
-bill

This is actually to move that Bridgeport Interact II.
>
> i

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TOPIC: Mars Direct, or getting there is half the fun.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f278042885f73a5b?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 9:41 am
From: steamer

--Going to Mars is easier than dealing with poverty. Also if Earth
gets pasted with a big enough rock poverty won't be an issue. Priorities.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Blue Cross socks us
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : $23,000/yr!! ...
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 10:56 am
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

On 07 Apr 2010 16:41:22 GMT, steamer <steamer@sonic.net> wrote:

>Going to Mars is easier than dealing with poverty.

"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things,
not because they are easy, but because they are hard"

If dealing with poverty is too hard, then how about a cap on school
class size? Or a guarantee that even the poorest will have good access
to broadband? Both of those would be far more bang for the buck than
Mars.

> Also if Earth
>gets pasted with a big enough rock poverty won't be an issue.

Now you're talkin'. Whoda' thunk that buying astronomically-priced
<chuckle> bagels was an investment in asteroid avoidance?

>Priorities.

Exactly.

Wayne

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 11:19 am
From: "Buerste"

<wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:on7pr5lbip51a8utsm8kltaqq7hondta56@4ax.com...

<snip>
> Presumably you're fully stuck on the symbolism of "success". Then
> consider some practical realities. Unless there's a miracle change in
> attitudes and priorities, things are going to get worse overall in the
> long run. A Mars mission is a lengthy undertaking, and an underfunded
> effort is doomed to wither on the vine and produce a lot of stuff like
> this http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2010/03/nasa-procuremen.html in
> the process. Exactly the kind of symbolism to avoid.
>
> Wayne

Read this: http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 11:35 am
From: "dcaster@krl.org"

On Apr 7, 1:56 pm, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:

> If dealing with poverty is too hard, then how about a cap on school
> class size?

> Wayne

I agree with you that going to Mars is not the best choice. But a cap
on school class size.............. You do know there is no
corrolation between school class size and learning.

Dan

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 11:37 am
From: Concerend Citizen

On Apr 7, 11:09 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:43:54 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Okay, I decided to give with some URLS so that I don't have to type in
> >the whole bloody book.
>
> >First off, wikepedia.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Direct
> > We still need that sort of national goal.
>
> What's wrong with a national goal of eliminating poverty?

Nothing wrong at all.

First we close our borders.

Then we revoke business licenses for entities that hire illegals.

30 million jobs just opened up.

End of Poverty in America.

Next?

> Is it really
> so difficult to see that a manned mission to Mars will be reminiscent
> of the Soviet Union parading its fancy military hardware while its
> people stood in line for bread? How much good did their pretending do
> them?

We did the same thing at the same time.

But it worked well for us, and in doing so we won the cold war.

We received something called the Peace Dividend and squandered it on
give away programs.

> Presumably you're fully stuck on the symbolism of "success".

Speaking of symbols, kindly put the period inside the parenthesis
because this isn't programming class.

Symbolism? No. I like Americans working and paying their fair share
of taxes.

There's no symbolism in that, just good policy.

> Then consider some practical realities. Unless there's a miracle change
> in attitudes and priorities, things are going to get worse overall in the
> long run.

We need an election for things to get better.

> A Mars mission is a lengthy undertaking, and an underfunded
> effort is doomed to wither on the vine and produce a lot of stuff like
> thishttp://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2010/03/nasa-procuremen.htmlin
> the process. Exactly the kind of symbolism to avoid.
>
> Wayne

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 12:04 pm
From: rangerssuck

On Apr 7, 2:37 pm, Concerend Citizen <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 7, 11:09 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>

> > Presumably you're fully stuck on the symbolism of "success".
>
> Speaking of symbols, kindly put the period inside the parenthesis
> because this isn't programming class.
>

If you're going to be a grammar cop, you probably want to learn the
difference between parenthesis and quotation marks.for an entertaining
and informative read on the subject I highly recommend this book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=c3ETv37GqfcC&lpg=PP1&dq=eats%20shoots%20and%20leaves&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false

Eats, shoots, and leaves By Lynne Truss

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 12:10 pm
From: Concerend Citizen

On Apr 7, 3:04 pm, rangerssuck <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 2:37 pm, Concerend Citizen <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 7, 11:09 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>
> > > Presumably you're fully stuck on the symbolism of "success".
>
> > Speaking of symbols, kindly put the period inside the parenthesis
> > because this isn't programming class.
>
> If you're going to be a grammar cop, you probably want to learn the
> difference between parenthesis and quotation marks.for an entertaining
> and informative read on the subject I highly recommend this book:
> http://books.google.com/books?id=c3ETv37GqfcC&lpg=PP1&dq=eats%20shoot...
>
> Eats, shoots, and leaves By Lynne Truss

I'm fond of saying that those who stoop to making fun of others for
their spelling/punctuation mistakes typically embed a mistake in that
very posting, as so often evidenced by Observer.

And now, I'M GUILTY!

Sorry.

What of my other comments?

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TOPIC: Mig Cart Photos
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f98dd5f4bd301c30?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 9:42 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:35:29 -0400, Pete Snell <snell-p@rmc.ca> wrote:

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCartAssembled.JPG
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCartComplete.JPG
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCartPieces.JPG
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCartTacked.JPG
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCart.txt

Very nicely done!

Gunner

>
>"One of the guys here at work upgraded his MIG welder to one with spool
>gun capablilties. He offered me his old one at a price I couldn't
>refuse. It worked really well, but the leads were short, and I didn't
>have a 20amp outlet for it, which limited me to the lower settings for
>heat. I installed a 20amp plug near the panel in my shop, but I wanted
>the ability to weld anywhere in the shop, and maybe the driveway. So I
>bought 9 meters of real 12 gauge extension wire and hardwired it into
>the welder. I then bought 10 feet of #2 welding cable and replaced the
>short ground lead with that.
>
> The welder worked really well, but was low to the ground, which meant
>the short torch cable was bent into a sharp 'S' shape when I was working
>on the bench. This made the wire feed unpredictable, and made welding
>trickier. So I decided to build a cart for it, which would have the
>extra bonus of giving me a spot to store the longer cables, as well as
>allowing me to work at a higher position. MigCart* files show the
>assembly and final product. I got to use my new JD2 tubing bender for
>the side rails. It works well, but I need more practice to make my bends
>where they should be!"
>
>Pete

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 10:02 am
From: Brian Lawson

Hey Pete,

Nice job. I've bent a lot of stuff with a bender over the years, and
four tries to get a good pair seems like you did better than most of
us "pros" !!! Good for you.

One comment. It looks like it is a bit of a short handle, which is
just fine, but I wonder if putting the roller wheels closer to the
middle would make it easier to "roll" when you want to move it. Not
so far that it is "tippy" though.

Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:35:29 -0400, Pete Snell <snell-p@rmc.ca> wrote:

>Hi All
>
> Completed my MIG welder cart last night. Photos are in the dropbox
>under MigCart*. <http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/>
>
> For some reason the TXT file doesn't wrap properly, I'm not sure what
>happened, so I've included it here.
>
>"One of the guys here at work upgraded his MIG welder to one with spool
>gun capablilties. He offered me his old one at a price I couldn't
>refuse. It worked really well, but the leads were short, and I didn't
>have a 20amp outlet for it, which limited me to the lower settings for
>heat. I installed a 20amp plug near the panel in my shop, but I wanted
>the ability to weld anywhere in the shop, and maybe the driveway. So I
>bought 9 meters of real 12 gauge extension wire and hardwired it into
>the welder. I then bought 10 feet of #2 welding cable and replaced the
>short ground lead with that.
>
> The welder worked really well, but was low to the ground, which meant
>the short torch cable was bent into a sharp 'S' shape when I was working
>on the bench. This made the wire feed unpredictable, and made welding
>trickier. So I decided to build a cart for it, which would have the
>extra bonus of giving me a spot to store the longer cables, as well as
>allowing me to work at a higher position. MigCart* files show the
>assembly and final product. I got to use my new JD2 tubing bender for
>the side rails. It works well, but I need more practice to make my bends
>where they should be!"
>
>Pete

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 10:24 am
From: Pete Snell

Brian Lawson wrote:
> Hey Pete,
>
> Nice job. I've bent a lot of stuff with a bender over the years, and
> four tries to get a good pair seems like you did better than most of
> us "pros" !!! Good for you.
>
> One comment. It looks like it is a bit of a short handle, which is
> just fine, but I wonder if putting the roller wheels closer to the
> middle would make it easier to "roll" when you want to move it. Not
> so far that it is "tippy" though.
>
>
Thanks Brian! I did put some thought into positioning the wheels,
and keeping in mind that I may put a small gas bottle on the back
someday helped me decide on that position. Hanging 9 meters of #12 3
conductor off the back helps too! I thought about bending and welding a
handle to the cart itself, but I'll see how it works with the handle
that came on the welder.

Pete

--
Pete Snell
Department of Physics
Royal Military College
Kingston, Ontario,
Canada
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TOPIC: Future Space programs Re: Anniversary of an amazingly enduring design
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/57c9c3facffdfb67?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 10:07 am
From: Eregon

pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:17for5dafi6482rb390cm9garllduuiiqg@4ax.com:

> Yeah, I'm pumped for the Mar Direct program. Yes, it will cost a
> lot of money. Even for the Feds, 20 billion is not insignificant. (Or
> it used to not be, but ... ) it can be done.

$20B??

Nobama blew more than that in his first 6 months in office just on vote-
buying schemes!

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TOPIC: Zero Fog mister
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/22195531e109151f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 10:07 am
From: Brian Lawson

Hey Karl,

Thanks for the reply. I'll give it a try.

Brian.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 06:23:24 -0500, "Karl Townsend"
<karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:

>
>> A question though.........what do you use as the "coolant"? I
>> presently only use flood coolant of a soluble-oil type that is a 20:1
>> mix with tap water.
>
>I use exactly the same. The fresh made goes to the CNC mill. I have a drain
>tube to a pail on the table. The recycle then goes into the saw. When
>running 304 SS, I up the concentration to 8 or 10% but normally 5%.
>
>I used to use koolmist. But there's been no need for this more expensive
>material.
>
>Karl
>

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TOPIC: You write the caption 04-06-10
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/20e4da5ea9c437eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 10:17 am
From: Eregon

"Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote in news:4bbbfd2c$1@news.x-
privat.org:

> http://tinyurl.com/yzwfgzj

Caption?

Who needs a caption?

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 10:18 am
From: "RD (The Sandman)"

Hawke <davesmithers@digitalpath.net> wrote in
news:hpgfqi$uu3$1@speranza.aioe.org:

>
>>> I agree, but like I told you already, nobody is going to go to jail
>>> for not buying insurance. That's specifically in the bill. I've seen
>>> it myself.
>>
>> Then you should have no problem producing it.
>
> If somebody showed you a quote from the book War and Peace but didn't
> give you the page number of the quote how hard would it be for you to
> go to the book and find that one quote? Pretty darn hard. That's not
> as hard as finding a specific part of a 2,000 page piece of
> legislation.

Bullshit. Simply bring up the bill and use "find". I am certain you
remember some of the words used. ;)

I would have to go through the whole thing to find the
> part on mandates.

No, you don't.

I already saw the part I'm talking about on TV. I'm
> sorry you missed it but I'm not going to spend hours to find it.

So did I....and it isn't what you are claiming. Of course, the dude
speaking was only one of the stud buzzards at the IRS so what does he
know.

If it
> means that much and you can't take my word for it then look it up
> yourself. How bad do you want to know the truth?

I already now the truth, Hawke. How important is it to you to keep your
credibility?

>>> I don't think it's right to make everyone buy health
>>> insurance from unscrupulous health insurance companies.
>>
>> Nor do I, however, in a big difference from you, I don't believe that
>> all health insurance companies are unscrupulous.
>
> It's not my fault that you don't know as much about business as I do
> 8-). I once heard an Ivy League economist describe the health care
> insurance companies as a failed business model. There is a basic
> conflict of interest between those kinds of businesses and to the
> delivery of health care to people. It's in their interest to get rid
> of costly clients and to keep only healthy ones. I think that is
> unscrupulous but to you and them it's just business.

Yes, there are some who are unscrupulous.....there are some who aren't.

BTW, your attitude toward folks is going to put you in the Bozo Bin if
you keep it up. Two types of folks I don't like are elitists and
assholes and you seem to be trying to be both.

>>> I think a
>>> taxpayer funded basic health care system should be available to all.
>>
>> I don't have a problem with that........I just have a problem with
>> how it will be paid for. The government does not really have a good
>> track record in that regard.
>
> I'm not really comfortable defending the government, believe it or
> not. It does a lot of things very badly. But from what other countries
> have done it is definitely possible to put in a decent health care
> system and actually pay for it. It doesn't happen because of the
> politics involved not that it is impossible to do.

It also happens due to high tax rates. Government isn't free. You want
more services, pay more taxes. Problem is that the private sector is
really the only entity which pays those taxes and the larger the public
sector the more that private sector gets squeezed.

>>> In addition, if you have the money and want to buy a better or more
>>> expensive health care plan then you should pay for that out of your
>>> own pocket.
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>> But everybody should get basic health care and nobody
>>> should have to go bankrupt because someone in their family gets a
>>> bad illness.
>>
>> See above.
>
> Sounds to me like we agree on more than we disagree about concerning
> health care. On the basics we have some general agreement but on the
> specifics not so much.

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Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

You simply have to stay in shape. My grandmother started
walking 5 miles a day when she was 60. She is now 97 and
we have no idea where she is.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 11:46 am
From: Steve Ackman

In <GYOun.348541$Hq1.189249@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com>, on Tue, 06 Apr
2010 18:55:22 -0400, Wes, clutch@lycos.com wrote:

> New Hampshire is better than Vermont?

Not really.

> Interesting info, always wondered how the state next door worked it's
> gun laws.

The heading of the page says its neutrality is disputed,
but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_%28by_state%29#New_Hampshire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_%28by_state%29#Vermont

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 12:15 pm
From: Bill Martin

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
> In article <4bbc3a01$0$1601$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> "T.Alan Kraus" <soundadv@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/6/2010 7:47 PM, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
>>> I was making an arbor for a Norton aluminum-oxide 4" cup grinding wheel
>>> from
>>> mild steel using the Clausing 5914 Lathe, and had a minor misadventure.
>>>
>>> The stock is a 2.5" diameter 12L14 alloy bar held in the 3-jaw chuck. The
>>> part
>>> I was working on is 1.000" diameter by 2" long, sticking out to the right
>>> where
>>> the 2.5" diameter bar has been turned down. There must have been two
>>> pounds of
>>> chips in the pan by then.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm making a near final pass under relatively slow power feed using
>>> a
>>> BXA-16N toolholder, and the flat full face of the carbide insert comes up
>>> against the machined end face of the bar. Instead of machining the face a
>>> little flatter, the whole BXA tool post rotates on the compound, causing
>>> the bit
>>> on the BXA-16N to dig a bit deeper. There were no groans or loud noises,
>>> but
>>> still this is not a good idea.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I realized what was going on, and managed to stop the show before
>>> anything bad happened, leaving only an undercut as evidence.
>>>
>>> Another lesson on the way to becoming a machinist.
>>>
>>> Joe Gwinn
>> I put a piece of ordinary notebook paper under my tool post to provide a
>> bit of friction. Seems to work.
>
> It's a thought. I've heard it suggested before, but don't know how well the
> paper will stand up when soaked with soluble-oil coolant.
>
> Joe Gwinn

How about a piece of fine grit carborundum paper? Something used for wet
sanding..

-bill

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Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 12:26 pm
From: Bob Engelhardt

F Murtz wrote:

> I tried looking on the web but could only find advertisements. I will
> have to have another go

It was a while ago that I looked, so I don't remember where I found
anything. Could have been Google Groups:
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&q=&hl=en&

Bob

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