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TOPIC: The delirious & unhinged (calling all wingers)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/315b18530d580d7b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 12:49 am
From: Cliff

[
Clinton alludes to 1995 bombing, says words matter

Former President Bill Clinton warned of a slippery slope from angry
anti-government rhetoric to violence like the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, saying
"the words we use really do matter."

The two-term Democratic president insisted he wasn't trying to restrict free
speech, but in remarks Friday he said incendiary language can be taken the wrong
way by some Americans. He drew parallels to words demonizing the government
before Oklahoma City.

On April 19, 1995, an anti-government conspiracy led by Army veteran Timothy
McVeigh exploded a truck bomb outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building,
killing 168 people.

"What we learned from Oklahoma City is not that we should gag each other or that
we should reduce our passion for the positions we hold — but that the words we
use really do matter, because there's this vast echo chamber, and they go across
space and they fall on the serious and the delirious alike. They fall on the
connected and the unhinged alike," he said.

"One of the things that the conservatives have always brought to the table in
America is a reminder that no law can replace personal responsibility. And the
more power you have and the more influence you have, the more responsibility you
have."

Clinton made the remarks at events sponsored by the Center for American Progress
Action Fund on the upcoming anniversary of the bombing.

He mentioned the rancorous fight over President Barack Obama's health care
overhaul. Passage of the law elicited threats against some lawmakers.

"I'm glad they're fighting over health care and everything else. Let them have
at it. But I think that all you have to do is read the paper every day to see
how many people there are who are deeply, deeply troubled," he said.

He also alluded to the anti-government tea party movement, which held protests
in several states Thursday. At the Washington rally, Republican Rep. Michele
Bachmann of Minnesota railed against "gangster government."

Clinton argued that the Boston Tea Party was in response to taxation without
representation. The current protesters, he said, are challenging taxation by
elected officials, and the demonstrators have the power to vote them out of
office.

"By all means keep fighting, by all means, keep arguing," he said. "But
remember, words have consequences as much as actions do, and what we advocate,
commensurate with our position and responsibility, we have to take
responsibility for. We owe that to Oklahoma City."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLINTON_HEATED_RHETORIC?SITE=WIMIL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
]

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TOPIC: Texas is pathetic !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/41ef8b47d578843a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 2:50 am
From: Cliff

http://www.newsweek.com/id/236585
[
The Texas Curriculum Massacre
What a conservative rewriting of history tells us about how Texans view the
world, which is, for them, Texas.
.......
]

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TOPIC: Exposing Glenn Beck, Part 2
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/2740527d29a8df7d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 2:58 am
From: Cliff

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/exposing-glenn-beck-as-a_b_537491.html
"Exposing Glenn Beck as a Dangerous Fraud, Part 2 "
[
....
Unlike the various Glenn Beck shows and publications, the Mercury performance of
the H.G. Welles classic featured a disclaimer at the end (quoted above),
formally noting the fictitious nature of the broadcast. Imagine if, unlike Beck,
Welles had never broadcast a monologue postscript revealing that what had
unfolded on the radio was purely theater. It's not a stretch to suggest that the
ensuing hysteria during and after the show would've been far greater.

Every day, for four hours a day, Glenn Beck is playing out a Welles fantasy --
leaping out from behind an array of Carrot Top-meets-Gallagher props and gizmos
while shouting BOO! at his audience without taking the slightest responsibility
for the ensuing hysteria. In Beck's case, the "boo!" comes in the form of Joe
McCarthy style red-baiting and Lee Atwater style race-baiting -- insisting with
wildly incomprehensible chalkboard scribblings that Marxists and communists are
lurking under our beds waiting to steal our money. Money that's better served
feeding Glenn Beck's empire of fraud. I mean, just look! Those random words on
the chalkboard spelled out the acronym "OLIGARHY!" Run for your lives, and all
that. It's an OLIGARHY!
....
]

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TOPIC: A New All Time Low
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f22c4766eaafe8b9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 3:04 am
From: Cliff

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/discovery-insider-sarah-p_b_537178.html
"Discovery Channel Insider: Sarah Palin's Show Is "a New All Time Low for
Discovery" "

[
....
Last week Discovery had its annual sales conference for ad buyers for all of its
13 networks. The presentation showcases all of their new shows across the
different networks. That night the presentation was on Sarah Palin's Alaska.

Our source says "the whole thing [was] comical." Apparently the ad buyers were
not impressed. This Discovery insider said, "When the promo was over, people
(employees and buyers) were rolling their eyes, snickering, and even laughing.
People were laughing and it's not even a comedy. No one took it seriously."

This person was concerned that given the lack of interest from ad buyers that
Discovery would have to dump the show to "a crappy time slot" to cut its losses.
They added, "Bottom line everyone thought it was a new all time low for
Discovery. My guess is the show is going to tank big time."
....
The ratings for her new show on Fox News Channel were already low (she couldn't
even hold on to Greta Van Susteren's audience). Imagine how much worse she'll do
on TLC where the audience presumably wants to learn something, i.e. the exact
opposite of what Sarah Palin is known for. What's next for TLC, George Bush's
Ranch?

When are people going to finally realize that just attaching a "big name" to a
project doesn't mean it's going to work? The person hosting the show has to have
some credibility in the field. I'm not sure Sarah Palin has credibility in any
field.

Many people would argue that Palin did great ecological damage to Alaska and
would like to do more by drilling all over it. So, getting her to host a show
about the natural beauty of Alaska is a bit like getting Jeffrey Dahmer to host
a cooking show for the Food Network.
....
]

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 3:30 am
From: "Sharx35"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:u1mls5t77dakag1hkaceg4deis5shgi0ka@4ax.com...
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/discovery-insider-sarah-p_b_537178.html
> "Discovery Channel Insider: Sarah Palin's Show Is "a New All Time Low for
> Discovery" "
>
> [
> ....
> Last week Discovery had its annual sales conference for ad buyers for all
> of its
> 13 networks. The presentation showcases all of their new shows across the
> different networks. That night the presentation was on Sarah Palin's
> Alaska.
>
> Our source says "the whole thing [was] comical." Apparently the ad buyers
> were
> not impressed. This Discovery insider said, "When the promo was over,
> people
> (employees and buyers) were rolling their eyes, snickering, and even
> laughing.
> People were laughing and it's not even a comedy. No one took it
> seriously."
>
> This person was concerned that given the lack of interest from ad buyers
> that
> Discovery would have to dump the show to "a crappy time slot" to cut its
> losses.
> They added, "Bottom line everyone thought it was a new all time low for
> Discovery. My guess is the show is going to tank big time."
> ....
> The ratings for her new show on Fox News Channel were already low (she
> couldn't
> even hold on to Greta Van Susteren's audience). Imagine how much worse
> she'll do
> on TLC where the audience presumably wants to learn something, i.e. the
> exact
> opposite of what Sarah Palin is known for. What's next for TLC, George
> Bush's
> Ranch?
>
> When are people going to finally realize that just attaching a "big name"
> to a
> project doesn't mean it's going to work? The person hosting the show has
> to have
> some credibility in the field. I'm not sure Sarah Palin has credibility in
> any
> field.
>
> Many people would argue that Palin did great ecological damage to Alaska
> and
> would like to do more by drilling all over it. So, getting her to host a
> show
> about the natural beauty of Alaska is a bit like getting Jeffrey Dahmer to
> host
> a cooking show for the Food Network.
> ....

Remind us, again, why your mother didn't opt to abort your sorry, brain-dead
foetus?

> ]

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TOPIC: The Right Wing is 'Trawling for Assassins'!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e98e93873db23cae?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 3:11 am
From: Cliff

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/04/17/the-right-wing-is-trawling-for-assassins
[
Radical right wingers --tea baggers et al --are accused of 'trawling for
assassins. It's but one of several outrages now associated with the
disingenuous, bigoted 'tea bagger movement'. The idea of 'assassinating' a
President because he is both black and Democratic threatens to finish off
America as a nation of noble ideals. Earlier the self-absorbed right wing
--thinking themselves rich --allowed themselves to be used by a GOP party
machine. They were fooled. To them, I say that like the rest of us, you have
awakened as a cockroach unless you were one already. A nation in which about one
half of the population openly pines for the murder of the only fairly elected
president in some 9 years may be finished. It's hard to see any redemption
following from that crooked, malevolent mentality. The writing is on the wall.
The American ideals most us grew up with are on life-support!
....
Not only have the Wall Street Journal and the hosts of Fox News been issuing
their usual dark mutterings, but a new slogan has began appearing on bumper
stickers, t-shirts, and even teddy bears: "Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8."That
psalm reads, "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Let his
children be fatherless, and his wife a widow."Maddow seemed mainly amused by the
teddy bears, but when she turned for comment to former right-wing evangelical
leader Frank Schaeffer, he emphasized that in a religious context "it means
something more threatening.""The situation that I find genuinely frightening
right now," Schaeffer explained, "is that you have a ramping up of biblical
language ... and what it's coalescing into is branding Obama ... as 'not us.'
... Now he joins the ranks of the unjust kings of ancient Israel ... who should
be slaughtered, if not by God then by just men."--Former evangelist: Religious
right is 'trawling for assassins'
...
]

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 3:34 am
From: "Sharx35"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:cimls5p8v8vv1lqeutdf9m5t848m8oep0o@4ax.com...
>
> http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/04/17/the-right-wing-is-trawling-for-assassins
> [
> Radical right wingers --tea baggers et al --are accused of 'trawling for
> assassins. It's but one of several outrages now associated with the
> disingenuous, bigoted 'tea bagger movement'. The idea of 'assassinating' a
> President because he is both black and Democratic threatens to finish off
> America as a nation of noble ideals. Earlier the self-absorbed right wing
> --thinking themselves rich --allowed themselves to be used by a GOP party
> machine. They were fooled. To them, I say that like the rest of us, you
> have
> awakened as a cockroach unless you were one already. A nation in which
> about one
> half of the population openly pines for the murder of the only fairly
> elected
> president in some 9 years may be finished. It's hard to see any redemption
> following from that crooked, malevolent mentality. The writing is on the
> wall.
> The American ideals most us grew up with are on life-support!
> ....
> Not only have the Wall Street Journal and the hosts of Fox News been
> issuing
> their usual dark mutterings, but a new slogan has began appearing on
> bumper
> stickers, t-shirts, and even teddy bears: "Pray for Obama: Psalm
> 109:8."That
> psalm reads, "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Let
> his
> children be fatherless, and his wife a widow."Maddow seemed mainly amused
> by the
> teddy bears, but when she turned for comment to former right-wing
> evangelical
> leader Frank Schaeffer, he emphasized that in a religious context "it
> means
> something more threatening.""The situation that I find genuinely
> frightening
> right now," Schaeffer explained, "is that you have a ramping up of
> biblical
> language ... and what it's coalescing into is branding Obama ... as 'not
> us.'
> ... Now he joins the ranks of the unjust kings of ancient Israel ... who
> should
> be slaughtered, if not by God then by just men."--Former evangelist:
> Religious
> right is 'trawling for assassins'
> ...
> ]

Still jacking off nightly to assassination conspiracy theories, eh?

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TOPIC: Teabaggers in heaven
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e8a959ae66a71be2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 3:17 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:32:19 -0700, "anorton" <anorton@removethis.ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>
>(snip)
>
>> How much? Well,
>> Jeffers says so far he's not at liberty to disclose that information.
>> "That's not something we're required to disclose, nor do we."
>(snip)
>>The financial results listed in the 10-k "is an accurate
>> reflection of what it is, but not what you thought it was," says
>> Jeffers.
>>
>
>Well, that cleared up that misunderstanding didn't it???

Dan is very observant <G>.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Yonnie (bunko) Bonker's bog bit the dust !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f001d1a2878abc9e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 3:20 am
From: Cliff

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:20:57 -0400, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 03:05:31 -0400, Cliff
><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:12:12 -0400, Cliff
>><Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>
>>> http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/
>>>[
>>>This blog has been archived or suspended for a violation of our Terms of
>>>Service.
>>>]
>>>
>>> The most read on the net, eh?
>>>
>>> LOL
>>
>>[
>>This blog has been archived or suspended for a violation of our Terms of
>>Service.
>>]
>
>[
>This blog has been archived or suspended for a violation of our Terms of
>Service.
>]
>
> Where has Yonnie (bunko) Bonkers gone?

[
This blog has been archived or suspended for a violation of our Terms of
Service.
]

No change.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 3:53 am
From: Cliff

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:36:46 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <6tads592tj4fuj2hi8rd0lsob0qsabub1i@4ax.com>,
>Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:56:23 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <f4ttr5phhautnpef2rodlhf8sqe86td7h5@4ax.com>,
>> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 15:38:25 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <a53ir5l06l8leoo6pg1kkfuk36bf0n5ksg@4ax.com>,
>> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:22:01 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> What unconstitutional law might that be?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >The McCann-Fiengold monstosity, but you knew that.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act
>> >> >> >> "But, in December 2003, the Supreme Court upheld most of the legislation in
>> >> >> >> McConnell v. FEC."
>> >> >> >> [
>> >> >> >> President Barack Obama expressed his concern over the Supreme Court's decision
>> >> >> >> during his State of the Union speech, delivered January 27th, saying, "With all
>> >> >> >> due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a
>> >> >> >> century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests ?-
>> >> >> >> including foreign corporations ?- to spend without limit in our elections. I
>> >> >> >> don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful
>> >> >> >> interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American
>> >> >> >> people. And I'd urge Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to
>> >> >> >> correct some of these problems." President Obama also called the decision, "?a
>> >> >> >> major victory for big oil, Wall Street banks, health insurance companies and the
>> >> >> >> other powerful interests that marshal their power every day in Washington to
>> >> >> >> drown out the voices of everyday Americans.?
>> >> >> >> ]
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hence it was indeed constitutional and you had something else in mind
>> >> >> >> or are just willingly ignorant, as usual.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Barack Obama only proved he isn't such a great constitutional scholar...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You've never even read the thing, eh?
>> >> >
>> >> >The constitution ?
>> >> >Sure, you might try it..
>> >> >reminds me to send copies to my senators and congressman.. maybe to the
>> >> >president too since they seem to have not consulted it recently
>> >>
>> >> IOW You have not.
>> >
>> >I've read it many times.
>> >You should try it
>>
>> What part of "We the People" & so forth was unclear?
>> Where does it say "We the corporations"?
>
>So you are making the argument the government can tell a newspaper what
>they print ?

In what ways do you want to <snicker>-justify winger lies today?

>>
>> They are the sort of thing to be REGLATED. They are not
>> the sort of thing to do the regulating.
>>
>> >>
>> >> >> Too many (and too big) words?
>> >> >
>> >> >Not many words at all..
>> >> >I'm sure your mom can read it to you..
>> >>
>> >> Like Rush & Faux tell you about it?
>> >
>> >Cut back on your drugs, you are babbling again
>>
>> So did you find those "WMDs" yet?
>
>Yup
>Drove past em on Friday and again on Sunday.

So did you find those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: Miners' Blood
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/103c062b2e28f004?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 3:54 am
From: Cliff

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:56:01 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed
<hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 15, 2:18 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:52:01 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:17:06 -0700 (PDT), raamman <raam...@gmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >>> Sarah Palin and her pals would cut federal funding for safety enforcement even
>> >>> more, driven by their coziness with corrupt big business and an ideological
>> >>> narrow-mindedness that the "free market" should be left as free as possible.
>> >>> That includes free to kill. ......
>> >>> ]
>>
>> >>No arguement from me on that, I absolutely agree 100%- there is always
>> >>a flipside to the coin, and this is a prime example.
>>
>> >So you guys have cites to prove that Palin would cut safety spending?
>>
>> >Feel free to trot it out so we all can look at it.
>>
>> >Use all the white space necessary.
>>
>> >Failure to do so will simply prove you both are fucking morons.
>>
>> >Gunner
>>
>> gummer always loves to take lies & stupidity to new levels ...
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>I'm reminded of your every posting to this group.

So did you find those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 3:55 am
From: Cliff

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:58:44 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed
<hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 15, 2:16 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:11:46 -0400, Kirk Gordon <k...@gordon-eng2.com> wrote:
>> >Cliff wrote:
>
>> > What Sarah Palin would or wouldn't do is unimportant.
>>
>> Unless she someday does it.
>> Lots of morons left in the US.
>
>Cliffie, I really don't think 0bama voters will go for her.

About 10% of the teabaggers might vote for her.
You know teabaggers, right?

So did you find those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: China's economy roars
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fc7e030eba7ff125?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 4:05 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 06:18:34 GMT, "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>news:vrkis5to2nlldre0dhk35ms4abuek4qq0p@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:29:41 -0700 (PDT), Kevin Cunningham
>> <smskjc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Apr 15, 5:13 am, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:drcds5hrar56904e9qlnrlmnjl7o3h3vph@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> > http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE63D09120100415?type=usDollarRpt
>>>> > "China's economy began 2010 at a cracking pace, logging surprisingly
>>>> > strong
>>>> > 11.9 percent year-on-year growth in the first quarter ..."
>>>>
>>>> > Dang communists!!
>>>> > Communism will never work, eh, gummer?
>>>> > Can you get a job there?
>>>> > --
>>>> > Cliff
>>>>
>>>> It is NOT communism they have in China--it is DICTATORSHIP, for
>>>> starters.
>>>> The elite/Communist party members do very well in their modified
>>>> capitalism
>>>> system. It is a dictatorship that will go down in history as being one
>>>> of
>>>> the TOP FIVE of all tyrannical, despotic cruel governments, rivaled by
>>>> Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia.
>>>
>>>So why are all you conservatives buying Red Chinese stuff? Why do we
>>>trade with these evil people? Why did Bush-Cheney fall all over
>>>themselves to be nice to those evil Reds? Why did Bush-Cheney pay
>>>people tax money so they would move their factories to China?
>>
>> The US lost about half the manufacturing jobs it had during bushco
>> over those 8 years of lies & frauds.
>
>Fucking, cocksucking LIEbrawl bullshit was far worse.

Than jobs & a robust growing pre-bushco economy ..... right ...
Another rethug heard from.

>
>>
>> The rethug ideal it seems.
>>
>> Destroying someting like manufacturing is not that hard ...
>> rebuilding it is hard & very expensive.
>> Plus we would probably have to buy many/most of any new
>> replacement factory machines from China as we cannot make them
>> anymore it seems.
>> --
>> Cliff

Find those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 3:31 am
From: "Sharx35"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:8opls55dj720e1bd38iuvrku1v3r05pr5p@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 06:18:34 GMT, "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>news:vrkis5to2nlldre0dhk35ms4abuek4qq0p@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:29:41 -0700 (PDT), Kevin Cunningham
>>> <smskjc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Apr 15, 5:13 am, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> news:drcds5hrar56904e9qlnrlmnjl7o3h3vph@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE63D09120100415?type=usDollarRpt
>>>>> > "China's economy began 2010 at a cracking pace, logging
>>>>> > surprisingly
>>>>> > strong
>>>>> > 11.9 percent year-on-year growth in the first quarter ..."
>>>>>
>>>>> > Dang communists!!
>>>>> > Communism will never work, eh, gummer?
>>>>> > Can you get a job there?
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Cliff
>>>>>
>>>>> It is NOT communism they have in China--it is DICTATORSHIP, for
>>>>> starters.
>>>>> The elite/Communist party members do very well in their modified
>>>>> capitalism
>>>>> system. It is a dictatorship that will go down in history as being one
>>>>> of
>>>>> the TOP FIVE of all tyrannical, despotic cruel governments, rivaled by
>>>>> Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia.
>>>>
>>>>So why are all you conservatives buying Red Chinese stuff? Why do we
>>>>trade with these evil people? Why did Bush-Cheney fall all over
>>>>themselves to be nice to those evil Reds? Why did Bush-Cheney pay
>>>>people tax money so they would move their factories to China?
>>>
>>> The US lost about half the manufacturing jobs it had during bushco
>>> over those 8 years of lies & frauds.
>>
>>Fucking, cocksucking LIEbrawl bullshit was far worse.
>
> Than jobs & a robust growing pre-bushco economy ..... right ...
> Another rethug heard from.
>
>>
>>>
>>> The rethug ideal it seems.
>>>
>>> Destroying someting like manufacturing is not that hard ...
>>> rebuilding it is hard & very expensive.
>>> Plus we would probably have to buy many/most of any new
>>> replacement factory machines from China as we cannot make them
>>> anymore it seems.
>>> --
>>> Cliff
>
> Find those "WMDs" yet?
> --
> Cliff

SOME of us care enough for the security of our nation, whether it be the
U.S. or Canada, to NOT blab about such things on the Net.

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TOPIC: Hubble Ultra Deep Field 3D
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 4:08 am
From: Cliff

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:05:40 -0400, "P" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

>
>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>news:dku6s5lgsmpnvkdg1amagu7h0f8n2ag8rf@4ax.com...
>> [
>> Subject: Fwd: Hubble Ultra Deep Field 3D
>>
>>
>>
>> Next time you feel what you are doing it pretty important, consider this.
>> Astronomers wanted to point the Hubble space telescope at a portion of the
>sky
>> which was totally black and thus apparently devoid of any objects. They
>wanted
>> to let the telescope do a time exposure for 10 days on this empty area
>occupying
>> the same field of view as a grain of sand held at arm's length. Others
>argued
>> that using so much Hubble telescope time on empty space was a waste of
>money,
>> but the "Deep View" project did go forward.
>>
>> Here's a short video what Hubble saw (best watched in full screen mode).
>>
>> http://www.flixxy.com/hubble-ultra-deep-field-3d.htm
>> ]
>>
>> Sadly, not a single intelligent winger or fundie was found.
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Or your soul, apparently

What is a "soul"?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_s75WZ6jBkxM/S2D9pSirqyI/AAAAAAAABBE/zO9vHUhLP0I/s400/hunteryellowboots.jpg
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: OT: Question about tunnel digging...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/1a0f3f28abe4575a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 3:11 am
From: "kfvorwerk@gmail.com"

On Mar 8, 4:40 am, "Chet" <a...@nospam.centurytel.net> wrote:
> Just finished reading "Conquering Gotham - Building Penn Station and Its
> Tunnels"
> An excellent read on both construction practices and the incredible
> corruption that infiltrated New York politics during the early 1900's.
> In the book the author states that engineers began digging the tunnels on
> opposite shores to eventually meet in the middle.
> And they used a 30 foot tower on one shore as a fixed alignment point.
> So exactly how does one use an above ground alignment tower while deep in
> the muck under a river?
> Amazingly the tunnel sections eventually met with a variance of only
> 1/8"!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Authority_Trans-Hudson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PATH_junction.jpg
That looks like the surveyors would have had enough distance to get
the beginning of the tunnels tunnels lined up before the stuff on land
got covered. More distance between survey points means more accuracy
but I'm sure there's a calculation to figure out how far apart the
first two points needed to be to give them the precision to meet up
with an acceptable error in the middle of the river.
Karl

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TOPIC: {BS} Sarah Palin has her notes in her palm again
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/58ade1b448c42e18?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 4:14 am
From: Cliff

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:21:48 -0700 (PDT), Shall not be infringed
<hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 16, 10:48 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> "Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:f3d6a324-d3f0-4701-9c08-3d5bbdc4b57a@u21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 12, 6:59 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> > messagenews:a036457d-5c2d-4d71-a91e-d36d9bb10ea7@u21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Apr 12, 12:58 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > "Lookout" <mrLook...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:qvj6s5tu4k1stqs96kh06fcne2hc0donv7@4ax.com...
>>
>> > > > Maybe if she wrote them on her tits I'd pay more attention to her.
>>
>> > > Don't defile those tits! They're the best thing the Republicans have
>> > > going
>> > > for them. Well, that and her ass.
>>
>> > > --
>> > > Ed Huntress
>> > >Nice legs, too. MmMmmmm.
>>
>> > What more could a redneck want? Hell, she'll get 30% of the vote on T&A
>> > and
>> > legs alone. If she ever says anything that makes some sense, who knows?
>> > Maybe 32%.
>> >So for a person so unlikely to win, shouldn't the press just sit back
>> >and be quiet and hope she gets the republican nomination?
>>
>> >But they're not doing that, are they?
>>
>> Sarah is the most entertaining thing going on in the Tea Party. Run a story
>> on her, and you get both her supporters and her detractors to read. It's
>> like having a new story on Tiger Woods nearly every day.
>>
>>
>>
>> >I think they're scared shitless that she'll topple 0bama.
>>
>> The fact that you think that is entertaining, too. d8-)
>
>Keep detracting from her. It says a lot about you.

Palin vs. the Three Stooges: The Stooges knew what they
were saying & doing.
Meanwhile the rethugs vs. the Keystone Cops ... Cops win every time.
--
Cliff

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 4:15 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:01:22 -0400, "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net>
wrote:

>
>"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:5733a491-bb72-4cd1-b176-abf75fafa555@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>On Apr 16, 10:48 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> "Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:f3d6a324-d3f0-4701-9c08-3d5bbdc4b57a@u21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 12, 6:59 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> > messagenews:a036457d-5c2d-4d71-a91e-d36d9bb10ea7@u21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Apr 12, 12:58 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > "Lookout" <mrLook...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:qvj6s5tu4k1stqs96kh06fcne2hc0donv7@4ax.com...
>>
>> > > > Maybe if she wrote them on her tits I'd pay more attention to her.
>>
>> > > Don't defile those tits! They're the best thing the Republicans have
>> > > going
>> > > for them. Well, that and her ass.
>>
>> > > --
>> > > Ed Huntress
>> > >Nice legs, too. MmMmmmm.
>>
>> > What more could a redneck want? Hell, she'll get 30% of the vote on T&A
>> > and
>> > legs alone. If she ever says anything that makes some sense, who knows?
>> > Maybe 32%.
>> >So for a person so unlikely to win, shouldn't the press just sit back
>> >and be quiet and hope she gets the republican nomination?
>>
>> >But they're not doing that, are they?
>>
>> Sarah is the most entertaining thing going on in the Tea Party. Run a
>> story
>> on her, and you get both her supporters and her detractors to read. It's
>> like having a new story on Tiger Woods nearly every day.
>>
>>
>>
>> >I think they're scared shitless that she'll topple 0bama.
>>
>> The fact that you think that is entertaining, too. d8-)
>
>>Keep detracting from her. It says a lot about you.
>
>And supporting her for high office, or even for being a spokesperson for
>anyone brighter than the all-purpose malcontents, says a lot more about you.

She could sell one colour of lipstick?

>You and your compadres are as much the story as she is.

But few would buy.
--
Cliff

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 4:16 am
From: Cliff

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:57:19 -0500, Jeff M <nospam@nothanks.org> wrote:

>Lookout wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
> > She's LOSING in her own party straw polls. As of right now she can't
>> even get the nomination.
>
>Ms. Palin demonstrably isn't interested in serving in elected office.
>The work is too hard and the pay is too low. She's made $12M since
>quitting her governor job, for not much real work.

In the US stupid & no skills now pays.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: about stainless steel tubing cutting process.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 4:50 am
From: "Karl Townsend"

...
> That can be overcome by grinding a serious positive rake on the parting
> tool. I'd make the tool no more than .06" wide, and, maybe, 15 degrees of
> positive rake. Run at the top end of acceptable surface speed, but a
> light feed, say .001"/.002"/rev. Lubricate well and the cut will be like
> magic.
>
...

Harold, great suggestion. You always have great stuff I didn't know about

> The absorption of carbon would not be a problem with the stainless. It
> does not harden by the carbon cycle. It would be a problem with the
> diamond tool, however. It would most likely shatter the moment it
> experienced chatter, which is sure to come from parting on a light
> machine, especially with the material in a steady. It's unlikely the
> tubing will be round, so the steady will not perform well. Chatter is a
> given.
>
>
> Harold

Harold and DoN have the best suggestions possible. But, IMHO, Ned has the
best
advice. Prove us different, but this ain't gonna work on your lathe. You
just haven't
got a rigid enough setup.

The long part makes it far worse. I'd hack off a short piece that you can
still chuck,
put a plug in it and work right next to your spindle. This will make a major
increase
in rigidity.

But, i still think Ned is right.

Karl

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TOPIC: Another state passes Constitutional Carry!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/094f3d0e875d68d9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 5:45 am
From: Wes

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>
>"Wes" <ClutchAtLycosDotCom@Gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:G9qyn.555634$FK3.325056@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com...
>> Ed,
>>
>> Have your argument with Gunner. Please don't use me as his proxy. I'm
>> talking apples and
>> you are talking oranges.
>>
>>
>> Wes
>
>Gee, I thought we were both talking about the effect of carrying guns
>concealed. Besides, Gunner won't talk to me anymore. He doesn't seem to like
>it. d8-)

Sorry Ed,

I was trying to stay on topic in an off topic thread. :)

Wes

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TOPIC: Electric Motor Phase Correction Question
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/09ececa261b3605b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 5:53 am
From: pentagrid@yahoo.com

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT), Bob <bob_1fs@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I have a 7.5 HP TEFC Motor on a hot high pressure washer. My 3 phase
>power is generated from a rotary converter. This motor is not happy
>with my home made power and trips the heaters. Normal load is about 9
>Amps under load but the one leg pulls 13-14A and trips the heaters.
>The contactor is a small GE unit with integral heaters and I have them
>set on max which is 14A IIRC.
>
>The motor checks out just fine at the local motor shop. Coil
>resistances are all equal. There are no excessive mechanical loads on
>the motor. I have narrowed it to the current overload on one leg
>only.
>
>I'll test with an added load on the RPC to see if that helps, but in
>the mean time; can I use a capacitor to adjust the current draw on
>that leg down? If so what MF values? I think that the caps in my
>surplus are all 600V rated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bob.

You don't give any information on your home brew rotary
converter but it it's the usual type without "run" capacitors,
for 230v 60Hz and a 7.5 HP motor, your need to add about 200 to
250uF run capacitor to the phantom phase.

This should be enough to bring the current balance within
acceptqble limits.. Some further improvement can be made by
adding a second capacitor from phantom phase to the other side of
the supply and messing about with the relative size of the two
capacitors but the complication is rarely justified. Incidentally
the"obviously symmetrical" arrangement of two equal capacitors is
not useful - most or all of the capacitance needs to be in the
top run capacitor.

You are absolutely right in aiming for current balance.
Voltage balance only gives geneneral indication. It is current
balance that results in minimum I squared R loss and minimum
full load power drawn from the supply.

Jim

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TOPIC: Life Mag, 1940 issue, on US tool making industry.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5e56df5684f2c624?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 6:06 am
From: rashid111

Folx,

If any of you are into history, you might know Google has made
available, via Google Books, very nice, high-rez scans of Life Mag
from 1930 onward.

And even if u r not a history buff, you might still like this article:

http://books.google.com/books?id=O0oEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_v2_summary_r&cad=0#v=twopage&q&f=true

Go to page 84 and enjoy it !

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TOPIC: Something to ponder....
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 6:12 am
From: Andrew VK3BFA

On Apr 17, 2:37 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born
> in another country. I was not his only child. He fathered several
> children with numerous women.
>
> I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no
> interest in me. My mother died at an early age from cancer.
>
> Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
>
> My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a
> legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
>
> I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as
> it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
> beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under
> scrutiny.
>
> I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult,
> disguising myself as someone who really cared about them..
>
> That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my
> life and I embarked on a new career.
>
> I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to
> those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
> father abandoned me as a child.
>
> I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help
> behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
> national office in my 40s.. They said I had a golden tongue and could
> talk anyone into anything.. That reinforced my conceit.
>
> I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and
> no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
> speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they
> were small roofing tacks.
>
> I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
> This bolstered my ego.
>
> At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign
> policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and seized
> every opportunity to bash my country.
>
> But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
> on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how
> we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.
>
> I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this
> mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to
> start making citizens hate them and if they were envious of others who
> did well, the plan was clinched tight.
>
> I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all
> people.
>
> I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside the
> traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular
> support.
>
> I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope', together we
> could change our country and the world.
>
> So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf
> of the downtrodden, poor, ignorant to include "persecuted minorities"
> like the Jews. My true views were not widely known and I needed to
> keep them unknown, until after I became my nation's leader.
>
> I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily
> found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
> and examined those people I associated with.
>
> I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in
> the world. And the world learned the truth..
>
> *Who am I? *
>
> I am ADOLF HITLER
>
> WHO WERE YOU THINKING OF?
>
> Scary isn't it?

Hey Gunner,
so.........this is 2010 Gunner, not 1930's Germany. Your President,
irrespective of his name or party, deserves some respect for his
office. Its in your Constitution. He won a majority of votes according
to the procedures laid down by law. Democracy, the peoples choice. He
won, Gunner. So get over it, give the guy a break - wtf did he
inherit, and have to TRY to fix up- mate, whats your place in the
world these days? - use your own brain, start THINKING about whats
really going on. Its not a Conspiracy, its the same old games, same as
before, the ones that started all the wars and got the simple minded
convinced that their masters were right - they even echo their
propaganda. You have a hereditary ruling class, Gunner. Same as most
other stable systems. Born to Rule, I think its called - saves the
serfs having to think too much. Their sons dont go off to die in
foreign wars. Thats the serfs job.
Now, whether this goes over your head or provokes a knee jerk reaction
is immaterial. For somewhere, in the crevices of your own mind, you
ARE wondering WTF is going on, and why things aint getting better....
Gunner, I wish you well, I really do. Underneath all the mad crap, I
reckon your a decent bloke.
Andrew VK3BFA.

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TOPIC: OT Good news (from "who will be the first")
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 6:12 am
From: John Husvar

In article <q78ls5hr32n0s0ktv1ilegconopr18jcau@4ax.com>,
Don Foreman <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 08:05:07 -0700, Larry Jaques
> >>Tonight, as I sat next to her with Gladiator on the TV,
> >
> >It's good that you put on something quiet, mellow, soothing, and
> >relaxing for her to recover to, Don. <chortle>
>
> I know milady. I've seen few things light her up like the display of
> edged weapons in the Stewart castle in Scotland, think Braveheart.

God bless her! Any woman who loves edged weapons is a good woman! (SCA
maybe?)

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