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TOPIC: Sine Bar Chart?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 1:41 pm
From: Tim Wescott

Mark Rand wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:22:52 -0700, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.now> wrote:
>
>> RBnDFW wrote:
>>> Anyone got a simple chart or spreadsheet for a 5" sine bar?
>> Isn't it just angle = arcsin(offset/5")?
>
>
> No, it's offset=sin(angle)x5
>
> :-)
>
> Zeus books have sines in, as do school tables books (if anyone still prints
> them). Otherwise, pocket calculators or decent slide rules work...
>
>
> Mark Rand
> RTFM
I did get that backwards, didn't I?

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 1:47 pm
From: F. George McDuffee

On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 15:19:43 -0500, RBnDFW <burkheimer@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Anyone got a simple chart or spreadsheet for a 5" sine bar?
==========
Not to put too fine a point on it, but with the proliferation of
cheap scientific calculators with the sine function,
charts/tables are obsolete. Also you can use the calculator for
speed/feed/DoC calculations.
for some examples see
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Texas-Instruments-TI-30X-IIS-Scientific-Calculator/1535939
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Casio-FX-300ES-Scientific-Calculator/10248096
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Casio-FX260HA-Solar-Scientific-Calculator/10248095
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sharp-Scientific-Calculator-Battery-Operated-Alphanumeric-Display-EL-531WBBK/10992485

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 2:39 pm
From: Jim Wilkins

On Apr 7, 4:19 pm, RBnDFW <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone got a simple chart or spreadsheet for a 5" sine bar?

I just made one for you in OpenOfficeCalc.

In cell A1 enter "1"
In cell A2 enter "=A1 + 1
Copy cell A2 and paste it downward to get all the angles to 90. Go a
little further to get some extra cells to enter custom angles.
In cell B1 enter "=SIN(RADIANS(A1))". This actually gives the sine of
the angle in degrees instead of radians.
Copy cell B1 downwards.
Format column B for 4 or 5 decimal places, one more than the
resolution of your gage block set.

As a check the sine of 30 is 0.5000, of 45 is 0.7071.
Go down to the last filled cell and change the angle to 14.5. The sine
is 0.250. That's supposed to be the reason for 14.5 pressure angle
gears, from way back when draftsmen drew them full size for pattern
makers.

In cell C1 enter "=B1 * 5", or whatever the length of your sine bar
is. Copy it downward and format the decimals.

jsw

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TOPIC: Mars Direct, or getting there is half the fun.
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 2:03 pm
From: "Buerste"

<wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:19:08 -0400, "Buerste" <buerste@buerste.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>><wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:on7pr5lbip51a8utsm8kltaqq7hondta56@4ax.com...
>>
>><snip>
>>> Presumably you're fully stuck on the symbolism of "success". Then
>>> consider some practical realities. Unless there's a miracle change in
>>> attitudes and priorities, things are going to get worse overall in the
>>> long run. A Mars mission is a lengthy undertaking, and an underfunded
>>> effort is doomed to wither on the vine and produce a lot of stuff like
>>> this http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2010/03/nasa-procuremen.html in
>>> the process. Exactly the kind of symbolism to avoid.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>
>>Read this: http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html
>
> What part of "priorities" don't you get? Aren't you the guy who's
> constantly blaming overspending on liberals? Now you're pretending
> that a manned Mars mission is a good investment! Hey big spender, have
> you thought about the reality of a couple decades from now, such as
> driving 30 extra miles because a bridge was condemned?
>
> Wayne

Sorry, I believe the benefits of a viable space/science program FAR outweigh
the cost. In thirty years we might not need bridges because of a discovery
by the space program. How much money is wasted on junk science? ...and you
KNOW what I mean! Your Utopia is to take all the wealth in the world and
divvy it up. Good for you! Start with YOUR wealth...not somebody else's!
Have you ever contributed to any charities? Or, do you prefer that wealth
be confiscated from somebody else and given away...with a few political
strings?

You believe in Socialism/Marxism/Communism...I don't.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 2:06 pm
From: "Buerste"

"pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that "Buerste"
> <buerste@buerste.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:19:08
> -0400 in misc.survivalism:
>>
>><wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:on7pr5lbip51a8utsm8kltaqq7hondta56@4ax.com...
>>
>><snip>
>>> Presumably you're fully stuck on the symbolism of "success". Then
>>> consider some practical realities. Unless there's a miracle change in
>>> attitudes and priorities, things are going to get worse overall in the
>>> long run. A Mars mission is a lengthy undertaking, and an underfunded
>>> effort is doomed to wither on the vine and produce a lot of stuff like
>>> this http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2010/03/nasa-procuremen.html in
>>> the process. Exactly the kind of symbolism to avoid.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>
>>Read this: http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html
>
> But but, that won't lift the lower half above the mean! It won't
> eliminate poverty!
>
> The poor you will have with you always. That was an observation
> made two thousand years ago. I've yet to see any evidence that it is
> not still applicable.
> -
> pyotr filipivich.
> Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
> you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

"Whatever you subsidize, you get more of. Whatever you tax, you get less
of."

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 2:09 pm
From: "Buerste"

"Concerend Citizen" <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:017d52ec-9ed2-4a05-bbd3-48b3b6e7497c@r1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 7, 3:04 pm, rangerssuck <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 2:37 pm, Concerend Citizen <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 7, 11:09 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>
> > > Presumably you're fully stuck on the symbolism of "success".
>
> > Speaking of symbols, kindly put the period inside the parenthesis
> > because this isn't programming class.
>
> If you're going to be a grammar cop, you probably want to learn the
> difference between parenthesis and quotation marks.for an entertaining
> and informative read on the subject I highly recommend this book:
> http://books.google.com/books?id=c3ETv37GqfcC&lpg=PP1&dq=eats%20shoot...
>
> Eats, shoots, and leaves By Lynne Truss

I'm fond of saying that those who stoop to making fun of others for
their spelling/punctuation mistakes typically embed a mistake in that
very posting, as so often evidenced by Observer.

And now, I'M GUILTY!

Sorry.

What of my other comments?
*****************

I'm sure he's in full agreement!

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 2:50 pm
From: cavelamb <""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net">

On 4/7/2010 3:37 PM, dcaster@krl.org wrote:
> On Apr 7, 3:38 pm, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:35:39 -0700 (PDT), "dcas...@krl.org"
>>
>> <dcas...@krl.org> wrote:
>>> On Apr 7, 1:56 pm, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>>
>>>> If dealing with poverty is too hard, then how about a cap on school
>>>> class size?
>>
>>>> Wayne
>>
>>> I agree with you that going to Mars is not the best choice. But a cap
>>> on school class size.............. You do know there is no
>>> corrolation between school class size and learning.
>>
>> I've pasted a link below, but you shouldn't need it. Try a little
>> extrapolating with your theory. How big do you think classes can get
>> without any detriment?
>>
>> http://www2.ed.gov/pubs/ReducingClass/Class_size.html
>>
>> Wayne
>
> One of my college courses had several hundred in it.
>
> Dan

Mine too.

Between 10 and 20 finished the class.

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 2:54 pm
From: cavelamb <""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net">

On 4/7/2010 2:41 PM, wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>
>>
>> How about we set up a Federal Department of Education, to make
>> sure that all the children are above average?
>
> Nice job showing how much thought you've given to your opinion.
>
> Wayne

Joke, Wayne.

Garrison Keillor?
A Prairie Home Companion ?
Lake Wobegon?

"where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the
children are above average."

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 3:20 pm
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:37:38 -0700 (PDT), "dcaster@krl.org"
<dcaster@krl.org> wrote:

>On Apr 7, 3:38 pm, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:35:39 -0700 (PDT), "dcas...@krl.org"
>>
>> <dcas...@krl.org> wrote:
>> >On Apr 7, 1:56 pm, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>>
>> >> If dealing with poverty is too hard, then how about a cap on school
>> >> class size?
>>
>> >> Wayne
>>
>> >I agree with you that going to Mars is not the best choice. But a cap
>> >on school class size.............. You do know there is no
>> >corrolation between school class size and learning.
>>
>> I've pasted a link below, but you shouldn't need it. Try a little
>> extrapolating with your theory. How big do you think classes can get
>> without any detriment?
>>
>> http://www2.ed.gov/pubs/ReducingClass/Class_size.html
>>
>> Wayne
>
>One of my college courses had several hundred in it.

Well then there ya' go. I suggest that you attend your next school
board meeting and fill them in on your money-saving idea. Did you know
that some of those crazies believe that anything beyond about 20 grade
school kids per teacher is a recipe for even more of what we're
already getting: kids who are likely to need a picture of a burger on
the register key? Do you have any serious suggestions about how to
improve the situation?

Wayne

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 3:25 pm
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 17:03:27 -0400, "Buerste" <buerste@buerste.com>
wrote:

>
><wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote in message
>news:5fnpr59vl8rpui2ln66qte1rvooilf9mf0@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:19:08 -0400, "Buerste" <buerste@buerste.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:on7pr5lbip51a8utsm8kltaqq7hondta56@4ax.com...
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>> Presumably you're fully stuck on the symbolism of "success". Then
>>>> consider some practical realities. Unless there's a miracle change in
>>>> attitudes and priorities, things are going to get worse overall in the
>>>> long run. A Mars mission is a lengthy undertaking, and an underfunded
>>>> effort is doomed to wither on the vine and produce a lot of stuff like
>>>> this http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/2010/03/nasa-procuremen.html in
>>>> the process. Exactly the kind of symbolism to avoid.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>
>>>Read this: http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html
>>
>> What part of "priorities" don't you get? Aren't you the guy who's
>> constantly blaming overspending on liberals? Now you're pretending
>> that a manned Mars mission is a good investment! Hey big spender, have
>> you thought about the reality of a couple decades from now, such as
>> driving 30 extra miles because a bridge was condemned?
>>
>> Wayne
>
>Sorry, I believe the benefits of a viable space/science program FAR outweigh
>the cost.

Sure, but you believe a lot of really silly things. Will you show us
your estimate of the cost of a manned Mars mission, and your list of
the expected benefits? Or will you just blubber out a bunch of nutball
accusations as usual?

> In thirty years we might not need bridges because of a discovery
>by the space program.

Are you thinking flying cars, or teleportation? I thought your main
thrust on usenet was that the world was going to hell in a hand basket
because of liberalism? Now you're writing like some idealistic grade
school student who just watched his first episode of Star Trek.

> How much money is wasted on junk science? ...and you
>KNOW what I mean!

I think you mean whatever you'll make up next...

>Your Utopia is to take all the wealth in the world and
>divvy it up.

Hah! I was right. Classic buerste.

> Good for you! Start with YOUR wealth...not somebody else's!
>Have you ever contributed to any charities? Or, do you prefer that wealth
>be confiscated from somebody else and given away...with a few political
>strings?
>
>You believe in Socialism/Marxism/Communism...I don't.

You're clearly the big spender here. What happened to capitalism? If
you think that a Mars mission will be profitable, then why are you
here instead of meeting with the rest of your investment team? If you
guys are willing to brown-bag it then you should be able to get to
Mars a lot cheaper than the NASA weenies who need big money just for
snacks.

Wayne

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 3:41 pm
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 16:54:03 -0500, cavelamb <""cavelamb\"@ X
earthlink.net"> wrote:

>On 4/7/2010 2:41 PM, wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> How about we set up a Federal Department of Education, to make
>>> sure that all the children are above average?
>>
>> Nice job showing how much thought you've given to your opinion.
>>
>> Wayne
>
>
>Joke, Wayne.
>
>Garrison Keillor?
>A Prairie Home Companion ?
>Lake Wobegon?
>
>
>"where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the
>children are above average."

You give him too much credit. His whole post was a joke. As is most
everything he cranks out.

Wayne

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 4:25 pm
From: "Buerste"

<wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote in message
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?<snip>
Gee, you avoided every point I made...imagine that! Looks like I
won...AGAIN! Buck-up little camper, Obammy will save the day!

Funny, no mention of a VAT before the Obammy-care vote...why is that?

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 4:50 pm
From: pyotr filipivich

I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net reported Elvis on Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:09:16
-0700 in misc.survivalism:
>On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:43:54 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Okay, I decided to give with some URLS so that I don't have to type in
>>the whole bloody book.
>>
>>First off, wikepedia.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Direct
>
>> We still need that sort of national goal.
>
>What's wrong with a national goal of eliminating poverty?

Define "poverty" Or do you want to raise the bottom half so that
they are above the average?

We could do wonders for unemployment if we just did away with all
the machinery. How many people do you think we could employ building
roads, or buildings, or cars Heck, we could restore Detroit! if we
just did away with the heavy machinery which is taking the jobs away
from people.

>Is it really
>so difficult to see that a manned mission to Mars will be reminiscent
>of the Soviet Union parading its fancy military hardware while its
>people stood in line for bread? How much good did their pretending do
>them?

Considering that they had a Progressive Government, and no
unemployment - what's your beef?
>
>Presumably you're fully stuck on the symbolism of "success". Then
>consider some practical realities. Unless there's a miracle change in
>attitudes and priorities, things are going to get worse overall in the
>long run.

So your advice is to what? Sit tight, do nothing which might cost
any money? Which might divert needed resources from a cradle to grave
safety net intended to lift the bottom twenty percent so that they are
above average?

> A Mars mission is a lengthy undertaking, and an underfunded

If you want to build a 'Star Ship Enterprise" and wait for the
future to get here before you start, then you are of course going to
be "underfunded."
But the technology exists right now, and there are resources
easily exploited on Mars which would enhance life on Earth. But don't
worry, those disruptions to the economy won't threaten you, if we
don't go.
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

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TOPIC: Shots fired as Supt. holds news conference on shootings in Gun Ban Land
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 2:07 pm
From: karchiba

On Apr 7, 1:46 pm, Steve Ackman <st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com>
wrote:
> In <GYOun.348541$Hq1.189...@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com>, on Tue, 06 Apr
> 2010 18:55:22 -0400, Wes, clu...@lycos.com wrote:
>
> > New Hampshire is better than Vermont?
>
> Not really.
>
> > Interesting info, always wondered how the state next door worked it's
> > gun laws.
>
> The heading of the page says its neutrality is disputed,
> but...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_%28by_stat...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_%28by_stat...
>
> --
> ☯☯
> Unlimited webspace - Unlimited bandwidthhttp://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?74713

As a person who lives in Illinois, too near Chicago; the local news
has been inundated with "Gun related deaths" lately. It almost feels
as though "Da Mayor" has told the local news to advertise all of these
gun deaths to help their F.o.S. case in front of the Supreme Court.
Maybe I'm just paranoid.
_kevin

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 4:55 pm
From: Wes

karchiba <kevin.archibald@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Unlimited webspace - Unlimited bandwidthhttp://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?74713
>
>As a person who lives in Illinois, too near Chicago; the local news
>has been inundated with "Gun related deaths" lately. It almost feels
>as though "Da Mayor" has told the local news to advertise all of these
>gun deaths to help their F.o.S. case in front of the Supreme Court.
>Maybe I'm just paranoid.

If da mayor really believes in gun control, have him dismiss his personal security detail
(they have guns).

The elites don't carry firearms, they have servants to do that for them. I can't afford a
proxy for my defense, I have to do it myself when allowed by said elites.

Wes

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 3:19 pm
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 17:51:26 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I have to agree that I'm surprised, often very surprised, to see people
>>here
>>who I think are fine and level-headed people not objecting strongly to the
>>foulness of those character-deprived loudmouths. I can hardly stand to
>>talk
>>to the "cullers," even those that are otherwise Ok. I just can't forget
>>what
>>kind of attitudes are informing the things they say.
>>
>>But there's a big difference between the "cullers" themselves and the
>>people
>>who just tolerate them. Some people here even tolerate overt racists. It's
>>just not for me.
>
> Irrelevant to the issue of cullers etc, we've exchanged discourse
> about racism and tolerance before. Tolerance is a politically correct
> buzzword that has no meaning without engagement but it plays well.
> Tolerance requires acceptance of behaviors one might find unfamiliar
> and possibly offensive, not because they harm anyone but because some
> behaviors of others that might be normal in their culture might be
> quite offensive to me. I'd say vice versa but I don't think I exhibit
> any behaviors that any of my neighbors find offensive or onerous.

Regarding the behaviors I'm objecting to, I find nothing to tolerate in open
calls for threatening or killing people whose politics you don't like.

>
> I don't defend racism, but I do note the enigma presented by
> intolerence of intolerance, outraged judgement of perceived
> predjudice, clamor seeking a podium.

Nice rhetoric, Don, but all you're describing is the limitations of the
English language, and an apparent paradox that in fact is no more than a
word with a loose connotation that tends to fold back upon itself.

For example, in the classic movie "Intolerance," made in 1916 by D.W.
Griffith, the title referred to intolerance for his representation of the
KKK (in his earlier film, "Birth of a Nation") and its habits of lynching
and shooting black people. He thought the KKK just had another, and
generally admirable, point of view.

>
> Accusation and condemnation of racism and other prejudices is
> sometimes less a matter of reality than one of semantics and intent to
> claim higher moral ground, social competition that used to be
> influenced in smaller communities by who went to church every Sunday.
>

The people who know the difference will know what I mean. Those who don't
will play word games. Despite your careful and often convincing arguments,
you're not good enough at sophistry to convince me that black is white.

--
Ed Huntress

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 3:36 pm
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 18:19:28 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>
>"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
>news:np6or599od60jr8mur7jtjlt0nbqm4esr1@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 17:51:26 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have to agree that I'm surprised, often very surprised, to see people
>>>here
>>>who I think are fine and level-headed people not objecting strongly to the
>>>foulness of those character-deprived loudmouths. I can hardly stand to
>>>talk
>>>to the "cullers," even those that are otherwise Ok. I just can't forget
>>>what
>>>kind of attitudes are informing the things they say.
>>>
>>>But there's a big difference between the "cullers" themselves and the
>>>people
>>>who just tolerate them. Some people here even tolerate overt racists. It's
>>>just not for me.
>>
>> Irrelevant to the issue of cullers etc, we've exchanged discourse
>> about racism and tolerance before. Tolerance is a politically correct
>> buzzword that has no meaning without engagement but it plays well.
>> Tolerance requires acceptance of behaviors one might find unfamiliar
>> and possibly offensive, not because they harm anyone but because some
>> behaviors of others that might be normal in their culture might be
>> quite offensive to me. I'd say vice versa but I don't think I exhibit
>> any behaviors that any of my neighbors find offensive or onerous.
>
>Regarding the behaviors I'm objecting to, I find nothing to tolerate in open
>calls for threatening or killing people whose politics you don't like.
>
>>
>> I don't defend racism, but I do note the enigma presented by
>> intolerence of intolerance, outraged judgement of perceived
>> predjudice, clamor seeking a podium.
>
>Nice rhetoric, Don, but all you're describing is the limitations of the
>English language, and an apparent paradox that in fact is no more than a
>word with a loose connotation that tends to fold back upon itself.
>
>For example, in the classic movie "Intolerance," made in 1916 by D.W.
>Griffith, the title referred to intolerance for his representation of the
>KKK (in his earlier film, "Birth of a Nation") and its habits of lynching
>and shooting black people. He thought the KKK just had another, and
>generally admirable, point of view.
>
>>
>> Accusation and condemnation of racism and other prejudices is
>> sometimes less a matter of reality than one of semantics and intent to
>> claim higher moral ground, social competition that used to be
>> influenced in smaller communities by who went to church every Sunday.
>>
>
>The people who know the difference will know what I mean. Those who don't
>will play word games. Despite your careful and often convincing arguments,
>you're not good enough at sophistry to convince me that black is white.

By now he'd have trouble convincing me that he doesn't agree
wholeheartedly with the cullers.

Wayne

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 4:11 pm
From: Gunner Asch

http://home.comcast.net/~steveham21/turbo.mpg

<VBG>

Gunner

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TOPIC: Windows for Rednecks
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 4:19 pm
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:4qsor5dp5ihuf35d3875n5llqih1vpbrk3@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:22:34 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
> <Egal@legal_egal.law>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>news:tlplr5diml3sg96knskr0s5pjoilrjpd65@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 23:50:38 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
>>> <Egal@legal_egal.law>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>>news:pv2kr59lu85a3hglu3htftkv1noodjsge9@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 17:10:12 +0200, Monika Eggers
>>>>> <monikakrug@expires-2010-03-31.arcornews.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.stupidvideos.com/pictures/Redneck_Windows/
>>>>>
>>>>> Palin should be on "pro-wrestling" soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=palin+pro-wrestling
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cliff
>>>>
>>>>trim
>>>
>>> What have you against wrestling?
>>
>>
>>I'd jello wrestle her :)
>
> And when you lost ...

LOL, that's the plan Stan!

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TOPIC: Yonnie (bunko) Bonker's bog bit the dust !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/f001d1a2878abc9e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 5:29 pm
From: Cliff

On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 15:59:48 +0000 (UTC), Black Dragon <bd@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>Cliff wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 19:09:18 +0000 (UTC), Black Dragon <bd@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>DIVE!!! DIVE!!! DIVE!!!
>>>UP PERISCOPE!!!
>
>> Down Periscope
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_Periscope
>
>>>(Ooops, sorry, wrong fantasy.)
>
>> Lauren Holly
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Holly
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu_Md5S0frg

You are too easily amused.

Lauren Holly
http://wizbangblog.com/images/2005/12/laurenholly_emmysparty.jpg
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: A slo-mo crash, with little drama and no damage
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 4:47 pm
From: Gunner Asch

On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:15:02 -0700, Bill Martin <wwm@wwmartin.net>
wrote:

>>>>
>>>> Joe Gwinn
>>> I put a piece of ordinary notebook paper under my tool post to provide a
>>> bit of friction. Seems to work.
>>
>> It's a thought. I've heard it suggested before, but don't know how well the
>> paper will stand up when soaked with soluble-oil coolant.
>>
>> Joe Gwinn
>
>How about a piece of fine grit carborundum paper? Something used for wet
>sanding..
>
>-bill

I use a bit of yellow legal pad paper on ALL of my lathes. Works very
well with no damage to anything.

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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TOPIC: GOP senator likely to be indicted
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 4:58 pm
From: Hawke

On 4/6/2010 5:12 PM, Chief Egalitarian wrote:
>
>
> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
> news:7dvlr5lb09faotoh4te9gorj87urc8qtud@4ax.com...
>> http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0405/paper-gop-senator-indicted/
>> "Paper: GOP senator likely to be indicted"
>> [
>> Nevada Republican Sen. John Ensign is likely to be indicted for a $96,000
>
> Chimp change compared to the dollars being spent by the current
> administration.

Yeah, and it's only a hundred thousand dollar pay off. That's nothing
for a republican. Republicans don't even think pay offs that small are
even a crime. Now how about getting back to Obama and his crimes. Say,
he's still smoking isn't he?

Hawke

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TOPIC: Future Space programs Re: Anniversary of an amazingly enduring design
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Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 5:06 pm
From: Wes

"John R. Carroll" <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:

>I built a new coax design two years ago.
>With modern equipment and an improved design, it developed 30 percent more
>thrust and because it had been designed on a computer, we were able to
>eliminate the acustic chamber needed on the original. That alone reduced the
>weight by half.

I have a feeling we still know how to lift things into space. We launch satellites, we
work on systems to take out abm's and a year or so ago, we demonstrated a quick and dirty
ASAT weapon to take out a falling satellite. I still think that was a shot across the
bows to any nation that thought we couldn't back up our words.

We can still build launch vehicals.
>
>Believe me, during the entitre build I was thinking about how some guy on a
>manual Jig Bore had done what we were doing on a 5 axis milling machine.
>They went through a lot of set up parts in the old days.

A whole lot of fixturing isn't needed now due to CNC.

I wonder if the desire to put a man on the moon for the first time was made by our current
President, given our current state of technology if it would have taken even half the time
from when JFK made his statement? The only think I believe would cloud or hamper progress
is the quicksand of federal regs impeding progress of all sorts of projects.

The Pentagon was inhabited in 11 months, finished in 17 months. Could we get an
enviromental impact study and the lawsuits settled in 17 months now?

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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TOPIC: Anyone have an External Hard drive available?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 6:05 pm
From: Cliff

On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:12:07 -0700, wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:

>On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 06:37:08 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
><CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:58:53 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Looking for a 250-500 Gig USB external harddrive.
>>>>
>>>>I need it for backups etc etc.
>>>>
>>>>Yes..they are available on Ebay for $50
>>>>
>>>>Looking to swap for one or two.
>>>>
>>>>Cash..is really tight.
>>>>
>>>>Gunner
>>>
>>> There is a gizmo called a "toaster". It looks like a charging station
>>> for a cell phone or PDA. It's cord goes to a USB and you shove any SATA
>>> hard drive in the slot. At least some of them are hot swabable.
>>>
>>> Newegg just had a one hour blow out sale this morning on the Rosewill
>>> version and I snagged one for $18, free shipping. But it's normally
>>> only about $25.
>>>
>>> __
>>> WS in a.s and m.s
>>> Two parties, not a dimes worth of difference.
>>
>>Gummer should be repaying his debt, not buying electronics and tobacco.
>
>... nor should he be whiling away his time contradicting himself, as
>he's doing at M.S. by claiming to be a company owner who hires people.
>He could pay thousands to a therapist to tell him what most of us
>already know: he needs *less* computer hardware, not more.
>
>Wayne

After all, it's not like he's out looking for work.
Might lose welfare bennies.
--
Cliff

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TOPIC: More fun at the RNC
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 5:14 pm
From: "Chief Egalitarian"

"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:k2qor5pkqsqpo2gdfvgg4l86kevh717vrh@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:13:15 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
> <Egal@legal_egal.law>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>news:rjplr551f1hp0v49230rslv8lvab37gha1@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 23:19:05 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
>>> <Egal@legal_egal.law>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>>news:gpujr5533ra93hcl8knuo2a8qie1075ra5@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 19:03:22 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
>>>>> <Egal@legal_egal.law>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:ig4ir5lajg44s2mndqs1men83eselcn91b@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 10:09:29 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
>>>>>>> <Egal@legal_egal.law>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:m6vdr5lag2r33cfc816jjhpu5jsu7qm497@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Find those "WMDs" yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did you try looking up your asshole?
>>>>>
>>>>> Find those "WMDs" yet?
>>>>>
>>>>Well did you? Take a look!
>>>
>>> You bought the winger lies & beg for more.
>>> Find those "WMDs" yet?
>>> --
>>> Cliff
>>
>>It's dark up there, isn't it? Don't be afraid, just dive in like you
>>always
>>do.
>
> You bought the winger lies & beg for more.
> Find those "WMDs" yet?
> How stupid can wingers get?
> --
> Cliff

So you looked uop your asshole and it wasn't that dark? Maybe there's a
light from the hole in your head. Why can't you find your brain then? Your
brain can't be that elusive! Take a deep breath and have another look! Just
dive in!

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