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TOPIC: Getting rid of my rotary table and dividing head
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/25df1dd6b6e2380c?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 3:26 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:20:41 -0500, Ignoramus8246
<ignoramus8246@NOSPAM.8246.invalid> wrote:

>I am getting rid of both my Troyke DMT-15 rotary cross slide table,
>and the dividing head. The reason is that I came across something
>similar to this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/Haas-5C
>
>It also is threaded on the OD, with 2 3/16-10 thread, so it accepts 5
>inch Hardinge chucks.
>
>This thing is programmable, so I can just say how much it would turn,
>in degrees, and it would do just that upon pressing a button. I hope
>that if I get the CNC mill to work, I can interface with this 5C head and
>make it a fourth axis.
>
>i
They are quite a good indexer. Now..there was an issue with those made
before 1999..a bad circuit board tended to flake out and of course Haas
charged to repair or swap..

Some of the earlier ones were made by other companies such as Yuasa and
rebadged for Haas, Fidal...etc etc

From what I understand Haas bought the rights to make the boards and
indexers in their own factory in the mid 2000s

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 4:45 am
From: Ignoramus9410

On 2010-03-29, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:20:41 -0500, Ignoramus8246
><ignoramus8246@NOSPAM.8246.invalid> wrote:
>
>>I am getting rid of both my Troyke DMT-15 rotary cross slide table,
>>and the dividing head. The reason is that I came across something
>>similar to this:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/Haas-5C
>>
>>It also is threaded on the OD, with 2 3/16-10 thread, so it accepts 5
>>inch Hardinge chucks.
>>
>>This thing is programmable, so I can just say how much it would turn,
>>in degrees, and it would do just that upon pressing a button. I hope
>>that if I get the CNC mill to work, I can interface with this 5C head and
>>make it a fourth axis.
>>
>>i
> They are quite a good indexer. Now..there was an issue with those made
> before 1999..a bad circuit board tended to flake out and of course Haas
> charged to repair or swap..

Mine was made in 1987, and has survived up to now. They supposedly did
not use it much, which I think is true. I will try to be careful with
it, thanks for the heads up about the boards. The motor is a stepper.

> Some of the earlier ones were made by other companies such as Yuasa and
> rebadged for Haas, Fidal...etc etc
>
> From what I understand Haas bought the rights to make the boards and
> indexers in their own factory in the mid 2000s
>
>
> Gunner
>
>
> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> the subject." Grey Ghost

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 7:32 am
From: "Pete C."

Ignoramus8246 wrote:
>
> On 2010-03-29, Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
> >
> > Ignoramus8246 wrote:
> >>
> >> I am getting rid of both my Troyke DMT-15 rotary cross slide table,
> >> and the dividing head. The reason is that I came across something
> >> similar to this:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/Haas-5C
> >>
> >> It also is threaded on the OD, with 2 3/16-10 thread, so it accepts 5
> >> inch Hardinge chucks.
> >>
> >> This thing is programmable, so I can just say how much it would turn,
> >> in degrees, and it would do just that upon pressing a button. I hope
> >> that if I get the CNC mill to work, I can interface with this 5C head and
> >> make it a fourth axis.
> >>
> >> i
> >
> > I wouldn't get rid of the RT or dividing head, there are things that
> > those will be better for, particularly irregularly shaped items that
> > need to be clamped to the RT T slots, not held in a chuck.
>
> I do not really work on such things, or I can make some adapter
> plate (backplate).
>
> i

Alrighty, if you want to sell your toys... perhaps this is why I'm poor
since I keep my toys...

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 8:00 am
From: Ignoramus9410

On 2010-03-29, Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
>
> Ignoramus8246 wrote:
>>
>> On 2010-03-29, Pete C. <aux3.DOH.4@snet.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ignoramus8246 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am getting rid of both my Troyke DMT-15 rotary cross slide table,
>> >> and the dividing head. The reason is that I came across something
>> >> similar to this:
>> >>
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/Haas-5C
>> >>
>> >> It also is threaded on the OD, with 2 3/16-10 thread, so it accepts 5
>> >> inch Hardinge chucks.
>> >>
>> >> This thing is programmable, so I can just say how much it would turn,
>> >> in degrees, and it would do just that upon pressing a button. I hope
>> >> that if I get the CNC mill to work, I can interface with this 5C head and
>> >> make it a fourth axis.
>> >>
>> >> i
>> >
>> > I wouldn't get rid of the RT or dividing head, there are things that
>> > those will be better for, particularly irregularly shaped items that
>> > need to be clamped to the RT T slots, not held in a chuck.
>>
>> I do not really work on such things, or I can make some adapter
>> plate (backplate).
>>
>> i
>
> Alrighty, if you want to sell your toys... perhaps this is why I'm poor
> since I keep my toys...

I have "too many toys"...

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TOPIC: Making an arbitrary angle in pipe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/46687f75a9b92e97?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 3:51 am
From: "Karl Townsend"

I've use a street 45 elbow and a regular 45 elbow many times for all those
odd angles between 90 and 180 degrees. I'm certain you can get all these
angles with just these two parts if you don't mind the slight offset. From
a mathemtical point of view, you get the mirror image also, so 90 to 270
degrees is covered. Assuming you're not after acute angles, where is the
third 45 needed?

Karl

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 8:05 am
From: "Steve B"

"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
news:02c0r59n0rh6dljpfjg9ktc8lbkt5qgtri@4ax.com...
> My neighbor is re-doing his electrical service feed because he wants
> to increase capacity to 200 amps. As part of that, he wants to
> re-route the outdoor conduit from meter to relocated mast. We found
> that his roof pitch is 5 in 12 or 22.62 degrees. He wondered if I
> could bend 2" pipe. The short answer is "not well".
>
> I got to thinking about elbows. It's fairly obvious that any arbitrary
> angle can be achieved in a given plane with four 90-deg elbows. We
> wondered what could be done with 45 deg elbows. I played with Alibre
> for a while. Turns out four 45's can't get it done ... but three 45's
> can! They go a bit out of plane but not a lot and the two runs can be
> coplanar as in up against the house. I was even able to get the
> various rotation angles, as if such a thing might need to be
> fabricated and welded a priori. I just did that to see if I could, and
> how hard it might be to do with Alibre.
>
> Three 30's, like the familiar 3-section flue elbows, might work even
> better but I don't know that 30 deg elbows are available in 2". I
> don't know that 45's are either, but it seems likely.

Check with a muffler shop. They have machines that can bend it to the nth
degree, and it comes out nice and finished so the wire can pass through it.
Inexpensive, too.

Steve

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TOPIC: Anniversary of an amazingly enduring design
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/57c9c3facffdfb67?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 4:13 am
From: "Karl Townsend"

> And - even I had a handy dandy slide rule. Mine is a Decilon
> 8 inch. I still have it and can still do (simple!) manipulations
> on it.
>
> But FORTRAN, while in the universities before late 60s, was not
> widely used until much later. NASA was mainly doing "machine"
> (not even Assembly!).
>
> Heck, I know a guy who almost invented time sharing Visicalc -
> but his boss though real computer time was to valuable for any
> such silliness!
>
>
> At least that's the way I remember it...

I was really in to computers back then. After getting extremely good with
fortran, I moved on to a new subject area at that time, industrial
simulation with a program called GPSS. Just a bunch of fortran programs
really. Anyway, I had this huge model of an auto assembly line and got
computer time at 0300 to myself. On the way there, I dropped my monster box
of keypunch cards in the wind and mud and lost them all. Took days to
repunch all those cards. Shortly after, I decided "to heck with this
graduate degree B.S." and got a real job.

Karl

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 4:39 am
From: axolotl

On 3/29/2010 2:09 AM, cavelamb wrote:
> Don Foreman wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:32:01 -0500, Wes <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> cavelamb <cavelamb@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> And, he didn't have AutoCAD or Alibre to do his designs <VBG>
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neither did NASA when we went to the moon.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder how much sooner we would have got there if the engineers had
>>> a scientific
>>> calculator instead of those books of logarithms?
>>>
>>> Wes
>> That capability was available if needed. There were Frieden
>> calculators, Kurta calculators, and FORTRAN became commercially
>> available in 1957.
>
>
> I beg to argue, Don.
>
> Even through the late 1960s, the term "computer" referred to a
> woman who operated an "adding machine". Even at NASA.
>
> And - even I had a handy dandy slide rule. Mine is a Decilon
> 8 inch. I still have it and can still do (simple!) manipulations
> on it.
>
> But FORTRAN, while in the universities before late 60s, was not
> widely used until much later. NASA was mainly doing "machine"
> (not even Assembly!).
>
> Heck, I know a guy who almost invented time sharing Visicalc -
> but his boss though real computer time was to valuable for any
> such silliness!
>
>
> At least that's the way I remember it...
>
>

Much of the design was done with the aid of real computers- analog. The
moon landing simulator was 3 EAI 7800 consoles.

Kevin Gallimore

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 6:49 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"John B. Slocomb" <johnbslocomb@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:k170r5517n5vt4qb8v4106648a0c1o35rq@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:04:25 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John" <johnbslocomb@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>news:tq3uq5tltc1fuciq7rbce6gu92vklebe3i@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:19:06 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>>> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ignoramus11443" <ignoramus11443@NOSPAM.11443.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>news:vMCdnWWkoaaMhzPWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
>>>>> it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?
>>>>>
>>>>> i
>>>>
>>>>The recoil is completely undramatic. With service loads, it's a little
>>>>slower to get back on target than a full-size nine, but it doesn't feel
>>>>heavy to me. I'm been shooting them for just under 40 years and they
>>>>remain
>>>>my favorite target pistol.
>>>
>>>
>>> With hardball ammunition?
>>>
>>> John B.
>>
>>I shoot my .45 with hardball, and with semi-wadcutters and light loads. I
>>don't feel anything qualitatively different with the hardball.
>>
>>I always thought it was me. I'm fairly light; I may just roll with it
>>better
>>than some. My 3-1/2" magnum shotgun leaves me black and blue, and hurting,
>>but I can shoot a .44 magnum handgun with full loads and not suffer from
>>it
>>a bit. It's kind of odd.
>
> I assume that you are changing the recoil spring when you change
> ammunition :-)

I have multiple springs for my .45; an Ace .22 conversion; a CO2 pellet
conversion for shooting in the basement; and a .38 Super barrel from my
short stint at shooting plates.

>
> But more seriously, when I was shooting in matches I don't remember
> that I was ever conscious of the gun "kicking". What was noticeable
> when going from say, my center-fire gun to the .45, or from a .45
> match to a national trophy (hard-ball) match was the amount of time it
> took to get back on target.

Yeah, that's about the way I've experienced it, too.

>
> Apparently that wasn't just my perception as in general discussion
> with other teams the usual excuse as to why someone didn't "leg" that
> day was that the hard-ball took too much time to get back on target.
>
> However, a member of the team brought his brand new S&W 44 magnum out
> the range one day to show the boys. "Want to shoot it?" he says, and I
> thought I did. He graciously loaded the gun and handed it to me. The
> first shot seemed to have no more recoil then .45 wad-cutter loads.
> Ha! Thinks I, all the B.S. about the .44 mag must be just new
> shooters. The I fired the next chamber, Who! Ha! The damned gun jumped
> so far I though it was going over my shoulder.
>
> Of course, what he had done was load a light .44 special load in the
> first chamber and an Elmer Keith load in the second. But he did
> convince me that the .44 magnum was powerful gun :-)
>
> John B. Slocomb

Fortunately for me, my first try with a .44 Mag was with a Desert Eagle.
That monster really tames the recoil. Then I shot a S&W with .44 Mag hunting
loads, and it was a different world. But it still wasn't painful or
unmanageable. You just need a much looser idea of what it means to "manage."
d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

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TOPIC: Working class
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/facb62633a2f2005?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 4:20 am
From: Concerend Citizen

On Mar 29, 4:55 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:16:35 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >The percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked in the
> >private business sector prior to their appointment to the
> >cabinet.
>
> Palin = 0
> McSame = 0 (IIRC).
> bush at several massive failures paid for with Other People's Money ....
> SureShort = Halliburton bankrupt (but he can play Golf).
>
> HTH
> --
> Cliff

Cliffie, I was unaware that Palin and McCain were appointed to the
president's cabinet. Do you have a cite?

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TOPIC: Palin does it again
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ff024e7328c50567?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 4:32 am
From: Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 01:40:07 -0400, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

> http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/28/palin-searchlight-rally/
> "Palin Tells Constitution-Loving Tea Partiers: We Don't Need A President Who
>Is A 'Constitutional Law Professor'"
>[
>....
>In her speech at the rally, Sarah Palin of course paid homage to the
>Constitution. "Our vision for America is anchored in time-tested truths that the
>government that governs least governs best, that the Constitution provides the
>path to a more perfect union — it's the Constitution," she exclaimed. And so
>it's extremely puzzling that Palin introduced this new attack line against
>President Obama yesterday:
>[
>In these volatile times when we are a nation at war, now more than ever is when
>we need a commander-in-chief, not a constitutional law professor lecturing us
>from a lectern.
>]
>Ironically, the crowd cheered wildly at Palin's line. Watch it:
>....
>]
>
> Only in Palinland could teabaggers be so dumb.

What she REALLY meant to say was:

"We need a President who skipped around through five no-name colleges
until she found one who would issue her a degree in journalism!!!"

(Pause while Tea Baggers cheer!!!)

"We need a President who doesn't know Dred Scott from Dreadlocks!!"

(Pause while Tea Baggers cheer!!!)

"We need a President who was knocked up when she got married and who
raised her kids to get themselves knocked up, too!!!"

(Pause while Tea Baggers cheer!!!)

"We need a President who accepts guvmint health care for herself and
her grandchild but who wants you to pay for your own healthcare!!"

(Pause while Tea Baggers cheer!!!)

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TOPIC: Why do razor blades get dull so fast?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/d0ab1ef54b638ce4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 4:33 am
From: mike

Winston wrote:

> Yup! I lather up and walk down the hall to boot up the computer.
> Returning to the bathroom, I'm ready for a close, nick - free shave.
> If I just start shaving, I can scratch myself up pretty good.
>
> (...)
>
Yeah, much more pain-free here, too...

Hmm, I've never looked that closely, in fact I can't look that
closely, anymore 8^(

> the clogged shavings were
> holding the blade off my skin! I now clean my razor in an ultrasonic
> bath every day and average > 7 shaves per blade.

Ha, another reason I should get me one of those cleaners, thanks!

>
> I was starting to panic when running low on my favorite 'unobtanium'
> Trac II cartridges until I stumbled across American Safety Razor Personna
> _TwinII Plus_ cartridges for cheap on eBay. (See item 350333133296)
>
> They work just as good as the old name brand blades.
>
> U$0.45 each, (delivered) and Made In U.S.A.!
>
> --Winston

Mike

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 5:44 am
From: Terry

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:36:45 -0700, Winston <Winston@bigbrother.net>
wrote:

>
>As a yout, I was getting only 2-3 shaves per Trac II cartridge even
>with aggressive rinsing. I ran a lot of water down the vents in
>the back of the cartridge, too. On inspection, I found that the 'vents'
>were completely blind and without function. I also found
>that the cartridge was loading up very quickly; the clogged shavings were
>holding the blade off my skin! I now clean my razor in an ultrasonic
>bath every day and average > 7 shaves per blade.

Schick makes a two-blade razor with a push-thingy (technical term :-))
that lets you push the bits of beard out from between the blades.
Works a treat.
--
Terry

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TOPIC: OT -- off grid power systems
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/284c9711ef5c39e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 5:05 am
From: Jim Wilkins

On Mar 29, 12:31 am, sta...@prolynx.com wrote:
> ...
> Wonder if Edison cells would have a market these days? Railroads used
> them in a lot of high-reliabiity, low-maintenance roles.
>
> Stan

Nickel-iron cells are available, but look at the price:
http://www.beutilityfree.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=129
I can buy deep-discharge lead acid batteries for <1/10 of that.

NiCads are too hazardous for DIY construction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_poisoning

jsw

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TOPIC: DIY surge protection...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fa560b93f2504a9b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 5:24 am
From: Andrew VK3BFA

On Mar 21, 1:47 am, "Existential Angst" <UNfit...@UNoptonline.net>
wrote:
> Awl --
>
> On the main breaker box, for the whole house.
>
> First Q: Is surge protection strictly lightning-related?
>
> Holmes on Homes was emphasizing this, saying $500 wasn't much for the
> protection it affords.
> $500?????????????? Holy shit.....
>

> EA

This has blown out to heaps of replies, so its probably got political.
And someone has maybe given you an answer thats of use. Dunno. Wont
add to that. Based solely on my experience as a working electronics
tech, I can say the following from experience. No theory involved.

Their called MOV's - Metal Oxide Varistors. Designed to short out when
overvoltaged by......you choose the tolerance...
Come in 2 sizes - big and little.
Big ones are on the side of your house near the switchboard. In
cartridges, so they are replaceable. These have a dirty big earth wire
connected to them - the theory is that so much current will flow that
the supply authority fuse at your cable entry blows and protects your
house stuff.
Little ones - in lotsa things, and should be more of em. You can buy
plug in ones for a few bucks - and remember, you gets what you pay
for. Getting popular combined into home entertainment power boards.
Also inside things.
Good example is the microwave oven - have them across the mains input
to the control panel. Fitted after the fuse, and the tracks running up
to it are thin, designed to fuse. Works well, usually protects things
on the same wiring circuit.

With a lightning strike, all bets are off. Anything can happen, but
mostly total destruction no matter what protection you have installed.

Hope that helps,

Andrew VK3BFA.

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TOPIC: Barbecue Grill burner replacements
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fb9fa64bdb94b52c?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 5:33 am
From: George

On 3/27/2010 9:10 PM, RAM³ wrote:
> "Ignoramus11443"<ignoramus11443@NOSPAM.11443.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ypidnS2DuomIPDPWnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> I have a stainless steel grill that we bought from Sam's Club.
>>
>> http://igor.chudov.com/misc/ebay/tmp/tmp-6648.jpg
>>
>> After 8 years, the iron burners on it rotted considerably. As I look
>> for replacements, I see "cast iron burners" available at many
>> websites. Example is here:
>>
>>
>> http://www.gasngrills.com/members-mark-cast-iron-burner-29251.html
>>
>> I was hoping to find stainless burners so that the new ones would not
>> rust. Realistically speaking, is that "cast iron" any more rust
>> resistant than the original material, or are they also going to rot?
>>
>> i
>>
>
> The burners and grills are considered "consumables" and are expected to be
> replaced as needed.
>
>
Or not, You basically have two choices. Buy big box throwaway quality
where they went to the ChiComs and said make us 100,000 grills as
cheaply as possible or you go for better quality. I bought a quality
grill and it is ~ 17 years old and it still is in really good condition.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 5:40 am
From: Ignoramus9410

On 2010-03-29, George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> On 3/27/2010 9:10 PM, RAM? wrote:
>> "Ignoramus11443"<ignoramus11443@NOSPAM.11443.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:ypidnS2DuomIPDPWnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> I have a stainless steel grill that we bought from Sam's Club.
>>>
>>> http://igor.chudov.com/misc/ebay/tmp/tmp-6648.jpg
>>>
>>> After 8 years, the iron burners on it rotted considerably. As I look
>>> for replacements, I see "cast iron burners" available at many
>>> websites. Example is here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.gasngrills.com/members-mark-cast-iron-burner-29251.html
>>>
>>> I was hoping to find stainless burners so that the new ones would not
>>> rust. Realistically speaking, is that "cast iron" any more rust
>>> resistant than the original material, or are they also going to rot?
>>
>> The burners and grills are considered "consumables" and are expected to be
>> replaced as needed.
>>
>>
> Or not, You basically have two choices. Buy big box throwaway quality
> where they went to the ChiComs and said make us 100,000 grills as
> cheaply as possible or you go for better quality. I bought a quality
> grill and it is ~ 17 years old and it still is in really good condition.

So, tell us

1) What grill did you buy
2) How much did you pay
3) What was the material for burners and grates
4) What did you have to replace in the grill
5) How much do you use your grill

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 5:43 am
From: JIMMIE

On Mar 27, 11:57 pm, DT <dthompson4...@SPAMwowway.com> wrote:
> In article <ypidnS2DuomIPDPWnZ2dnUVZ_umdn...@giganews.com>,
> ignoramus11...@NOSPAM.11443.invalid says...
>
> >I have a stainless steel grill that we bought from Sam's Club.
>
> > http://igor.chudov.com/misc/ebay/tmp/tmp-6648.jp
>
> >I was hoping to find stainless burners so that the new ones would not
>
> You can buy various shaped and sized SS burners at any Walmart:
>
> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dual-Bar-Burner-Stainless-Steel/10846840
>
> --
> DT

I put a SS burner in mine about 4 years ago. No problems so far but
cant really say as the original ones lasted for 8.

Jimmie

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 6:01 am
From: Jim Yanik

Gerald Miller <grmiller@rogers.com> wrote in
news:9pg0r55ef12qbvmg63k7abqf3dol7cp0ir@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:32:21 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer
><pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>
>>I'm trying to figure out why anybody would go to all this trouble for a
>>gas grill... The grill in my new outdoor kitchen is charcoal, as God
>>intended.
> I think my neighbour has it figured right - he picked up a BBQ someone
> had set out to the curb, stripped out the burners, and uses charcoal
> on the rock grid. Good cast aluminium housing on a decent stand, works
> great!
> Gerry :-)}
> London, Canada
>

Charbroil used to make a nice charcoal grill that had the cast aluminum
housing,with cast iron cooking grids and a moveable coal grate so you can
bring the coals closer to or away from the cooking grids.It had a
removeable ash drawer to make emptying the grill easier,and you could close
up the grill and put out the coals for later reuse.Sears also sold the same
unit under their brandname.

I have one,but the cooking grids have rusted away.
I made replacements for the coal grid and ash drawer after they rusted
away. It's at least 25 years old.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

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TOPIC: Millrite X-axis thrust bearings were frozen
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/804ccadb81028937?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 5:58 am
From: John B. Slocomb

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 00:02:04 -0400, Joseph Gwinn
<joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

>In article <tk80r5lgc9703i0qmvj9op4nho25qp5q0e@4ax.com>,
> John B. Slocomb <johnbslocomb@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:12:33 -0400, Joseph Gwinn
>> <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On my old (built in 1965) Millrite MVI vertical mill, one annoyance is the
>> >difficulty setting the table to a specified X (side-to-side) location. One
>> >would overshoot, in both directions. My first theory was that this was
>> >because
>> >the X-axis feeedscrew and nut were worn, but I wondered if there was an
>> >adjustment needing attention, so I got a bright light and looked at the
>> >screw as
>> >I cranked the table back and forth. I could see that things were moving a
>> >bit
>> >at the left end, where the leadscrew is fixed to the table by two opposing
>> >thrust ball bearings, so I decided to take this assembly apart and de-spooge
>> >it.
>> >
>> >This assembly has never before been disassembled, I think. The three hex
>> >socket
>> >cap screws that hold the left end "bell" to the table were glued in place by
>> >well-hardened spooge, and took some force to disassemble, and there were
>> >lumps
>> >of spooge everywhere. Oddly, the deep blind threaded holes into which these
>> >cap
>> >screws go were filled with oily swarf. Cleaned everything out.
>> >
>> >It turned out that one of the thrust ball bearings was caked with hardened
>> >grease, being unable to move, and so the whole assembly rotated, forcing the
>> >preload nut to turn and loosen, so everything could move. This was a major
>> >cause of lost motion.
>> >
>> >Soaking the two thrust bearings in acetone for four hours dissolved the
>> >caked
>> >grease and allowed free rotation and full cleanout. Bearings looked OK, so
>> >packed them with Mobil-1 synthetic grease and reassembled the end assembly.
>> >The
>> >preload nut is round and engages threads machined into the feedscrew,
>> >rotation
>> >being prevented by a setscrew in the nut. I didn't like the idea of mashing
>> >a
>> >cup-point setscrew down on and mangling those threads, so I put a little
>> >piece
>> >of annealed copper in under the setscrew, so the copper would mash and
>> >conform
>> >to the steel threads. I tightened the nut first by hand, and then by an
>> >added
>> >1/8 turn with a pin spanner wrench, only then driving the setscrew home, so
>> >there is a slight drag when cranking the screw.
>> >
>> >The lost motion is now about 0.025", which isn't much better than what it
>> >was
>> >before, but it does seem easier to set the table to a desired location.
>> >I'll
>> >use the mill for a while and see if this is really true. With a DRO, the
>> >real
>> >issue is ability to set to a desired location, not the accuracy of the
>> >screw.
>> >Both the leadscrew and matching nut (5 tpi) are made of steel, but the nut
>> >(being far shorter) should have suffered more wear than the screw.
>> >
>> >
>> >Joe Gwinn
>>
>>
>> The usual procedure is to make all final adjustments from one
>> direction which negates any looseness in fit between the lead screw
>> and the nut. Most old guys do it without thinking - back it off a half
>> turn too far and go back 'till you get where you want to be for the
>> next cut.
>
>Yep. Though I'm still trying to achieve true old-guy machinist status. I had
>come to the go-one-way solution, but cutting in one direction but not the other
>(even with the X-axis clamped) still caught my attention.
>
>Joe Gwinn

I apparently didn't read about cutting in one direction but if that
happens there must be some play somewhere. Climb milling will
certainly pull the work into the cutter but that is usually obvious
when it happens and of course, if there is play somewhere, the
opposite cutter rotation will push the work out of the way.

John B. Slocomb
(johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)

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TOPIC: What material for grill grate
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9468b445cbbb194d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 6:20 am
From: Ecnerwal

In article <78ydnaT0HdwFtS3WnZ2dnUVZ_jYAAAAA@giganews.com>,
Ignoramus8246 <ignoramus8246@NOSPAM.8246.invalid> wrote:

> On 2010-03-29, Richard J Kinch <kinch@truetex.com> wrote:
> > Ignoramus11443 writes:
> >
> >> The question is what is the recommended material.
> >
> > Nothing will last. You're talking about temperature cycling of 1000s of
> > deg F, with constant showering of sodium chloride and other corrosive
> > chemicals from cooking, and storing in a condensing atmosphere.
> >
> > There is no aerospace superalloy that will stand up to that.
>
> Would it help to, say, keep a 40 watt lightbulb constantly on, inside
> the grill, and/or a grill cover on, to prevent condensation?

At almost a kilowatt-hour per day, 365 days a year, that will cost
considerably more than replacing the grate occasionally. It also only
solves one small part of the problem. Why complicate things so absurdly?

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

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TOPIC: Women.....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/b933f45a1ed72efa?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 7:11 am
From: Hang Dog

Winston_Smith wrote:
> Hang Dog <righteous@wobble.nospam.net> wrote:
>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzrUztyd1Y&feature=player_embedded
>> More right wing theft. Doubt they have permission to use any of the
>> photos, and definitely none of the music either.
>
> Fair use.
>

Explain how it is fair use? There is nothing in that video that is a
fair use of the images or the music. People pay a lot of money for music
soundtracks to videos. And as McCain found out, unless there is an
immmediate and direct connection between the music and the political
statement you are making, you cannot claim fair-use even in a
presidential election campaign:

http://thresq.hollywoodreporter.com/2009/07/jackson-browne-john-mccain-settlement.html

ie you can take a bit of gangsta music to make a political statement or
comment on gangsta music, but not add the same soundtrack to make a
wider political statement.

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TOPIC: Palin owes taxes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/158e858323ac6ba7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 8:26 am
From: Filmway@teckway.net

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:27:15 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
wrote:

>Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>what is the going price for a middle aged hooker in Alaska these days?
>
>About the same as in Democrat Washington.

At least with DC democrats---you actually get something in return.

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TOPIC: If George Bush........
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/ee503716cb3ad0d5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 7:46 am
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:15:56 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
<nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:

>wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:29:47 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
>> <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> So far, Tom's just changed hobby horses <G>
>>> First it was taxes, now he's riding school boards and teachers.
>>> I think my alternative is a lot closer to reality than either of
>>> those. Cleveland, Cincinnati and Detroit are going to have to go
>>> through the same evolution that Flint, Michigan has undertaken to
>>> heal themselves.
>>
>> Quite a while back he claimed that Obama had ruined all hope for his
>> biz.
>
>I think what he said was that an Obama Presidency would be a disaster for
>business in general.
>
>>But at the same time he said that he was turning down lucrative
>> offers to sell.
>
>That wouldn't surprise me.

What wouldn't surprise me is an announcement that he's liquidating and
taking a job at Home Depot. He seems really bitter, which doesn't jibe
with having a single lucrative offer, much less several. Then again, I
accept that I don't quite understand folks like him. One that I know
has a near perfect life - everything paid for, good chunk of cash in
the bank, and little baggage. Yet he goes around pissed at pretty much
everybody.

>Unless there is an interest among his family in continuing,
>he ought to just do it.

Naw, I think he should keep on, otherwise he'd have time to degenerate
further and might become a full time usenutter.

>>At other times he's bragged on his capable staff, but
>> now it turns out that they need training to read a tape measure.
>
>Well, this is the internet you know.
>LOL
>
>>He
>> also says that he pays well. We might expect good pay plus fire-sale
>> real estate prices to equal desperate workers with 175 IQs parachuting
>> in, so I guess there must not be any roads in Ohio or something.
>
>Gunner won't be leaving California except in a cardboard box.
>There is a posse just waiting to follow up and collect from such types.
>The Franchise Tax Board, for instance, closely resembles the Gestapo.
>They LOVE parsley.

They must be the only outfit that works slower than the great cullers.
:-) I'm thinkin' that the main reason gummer and tom didn't make a
deal is that they both know full well that it wouldn't last a month.
Gummer's true skill level would be evident in days, and tom would be
ready to explode not long after. I wish they'd give it a try though,
the stories would be glorious.... "gummer learns the hard way that
.780 isn't the same as 7/8ths", "tom faces mutiny when staff demands
that *everybody* get free unlimited mountain dew", "gummy needs a trip
to the emergency room and a week off after having his forehead impaled
by a chuck key... again".

>>And
>> let's not forget that he claims to be wealthy, confirming everybody's
>> long-held suspicion that the rich love to spend their golden years
>> training workers how to read tape measures, and bitching about how
>> great a tough life is. Or is it how tough his great life is? Anyway,
>> what a bunch of idiots who retire to warmer climates, eh? It seems
>> that Tom's true talent might be competing with John Ensign for most
>> illogical-excuses. I suggest that he contact Cleveland's sister city
>> of Taft, and ask them to ship him another experienced hand in order to
>> set up a tourist attraction like this one
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A791219. :-)
>>
>
>LMAO

Wayne

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 7:49 am
From: wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 03:35:08 -0400, "Buerste" <buerste@buerste.com>
wrote:

>Just like all the assholes that moved to California, lost all their
>investments, collect cheese-checks, denounced God and fuck each other in the
>ass like good little Libtard Neo-Socialists? No thanks!

Conservative cranks: the Andrew Dice Clays of wisdom and sincerity.

Wayne

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TOPIC: The Great Reneger
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8ad78ad9690bc047?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 29 2010 8:06 am
From: Steve B

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:36:35 -0700, Steve B wrote:

>> Email address is a Spam trap.
>
> Looks like the other Steve B is messing with other people, too.
>
> Steve

I hope they plonk both of us!

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