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TOPIC: Anniversary of an amazingly enduring design
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 7:52 pm
From: "RAM�"

"Robert Swinney" <judybob@tx.rr.com> wrote in
news:bcWdnTC27qkQejLWnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@giganews.com:

> Clue us in. I'm not familiar with the name "PO8".

AKA "Luger" in honor of Georg Luger who designed the piece.

Mr. Luger borrowed heavily from the Borchardt design.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 8:38 pm
From: John B. Slocomb

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:04:25 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>
>"John" <johnbslocomb@invalid.com> wrote in message
>news:tq3uq5tltc1fuciq7rbce6gu92vklebe3i@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:19:06 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>> <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ignoramus11443" <ignoramus11443@NOSPAM.11443.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:vMCdnWWkoaaMhzPWnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
>>>> it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?
>>>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>>The recoil is completely undramatic. With service loads, it's a little
>>>slower to get back on target than a full-size nine, but it doesn't feel
>>>heavy to me. I'm been shooting them for just under 40 years and they
>>>remain
>>>my favorite target pistol.
>>
>>
>> With hardball ammunition?
>>
>> John B.
>
>I shoot my .45 with hardball, and with semi-wadcutters and light loads. I
>don't feel anything qualitatively different with the hardball.
>
>I always thought it was me. I'm fairly light; I may just roll with it better
>than some. My 3-1/2" magnum shotgun leaves me black and blue, and hurting,
>but I can shoot a .44 magnum handgun with full loads and not suffer from it
>a bit. It's kind of odd.

I assume that you are changing the recoil spring when you change
ammunition :-)

But more seriously, when I was shooting in matches I don't remember
that I was ever conscious of the gun "kicking". What was noticeable
when going from say, my center-fire gun to the .45, or from a .45
match to a national trophy (hard-ball) match was the amount of time it
took to get back on target.

Apparently that wasn't just my perception as in general discussion
with other teams the usual excuse as to why someone didn't "leg" that
day was that the hard-ball took too much time to get back on target.

However, a member of the team brought his brand new S&W 44 magnum out
the range one day to show the boys. "Want to shoot it?" he says, and I
thought I did. He graciously loaded the gun and handed it to me. The
first shot seemed to have no more recoil then .45 wad-cutter loads.
Ha! Thinks I, all the B.S. about the .44 mag must be just new
shooters. The I fired the next chamber, Who! Ha! The damned gun jumped
so far I though it was going over my shoulder.

Of course, what he had done was load a light .44 special load in the
first chamber and an Elmer Keith load in the second. But he did
convince me that the .44 magnum was powerful gun :-)

John B. Slocomb

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TOPIC: Barbecue Grill burner replacements
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fb9fa64bdb94b52c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 8:00 pm
From: Ignoramus8246

On 2010-03-29, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> writes:
>> When I cook a brisket or Boston butt, it's
>> 24 hours of natural wood fire-tending from start to finish -- not
>> including the time to start and stoke the fire.
>
> I've made several attempts at barbecue, and have never wound up with
> anything edible. My hat's off to you.

My grill has a smoking burner and tray, and smoking meat is completely
easy, like 1-2-3. I smoked a lot of beef brisket and chicken. I simply
need to remember to put in wet mesquite chips a few times. Takes 16
hours.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 8:30 pm
From: DerbyDad03

On Mar 27, 11:32 pm, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out why anybody would go to all this trouble for a
> gas grill... The grill in my new outdoor kitchen is charcoal, as God
> intended.
> --
> As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
> be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
> and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)

re: "I'm trying to figure out why anybody would go to all this trouble
for a gas grill"

Because 12 minutes after I started the grill this morning I had a nice
medium steak alongside 2 over-easy eggs and some whole grain toast -
cooked on the grill and side burner.

Because 10 minutes after I decide to have a burger or sausage, I'm
eating said burger or sausage.

Because I need the whole grill and a little more temperature control
when cooking pizza on the grill.

Because I use my grill at least one a week, even in mid-winter, for
"single servings".

Because grilled pineapple is a great - and quick - appetizer even when
the rest of the meal is being cooked in the kitchen.

I could go on, and I'm not trying to convince you that gas is better
than charcoal, I'm just trying to help you "figure out why anybody
would go to all this trouble for a gas grill".

My Weber kettle is under the deck and comes out quite often, but for
ease of use and quick-turnaround, a gas grill sure is convenient.
That's why we "go to the trouble."

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TOPIC: How to buy a warehouse
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/6b4593a414cb5ed2?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 8:05 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Mar 28, 9:16 pm, Ignoramus8246 <ignoramus8...@NOSPAM.8246.invalid>
wrote:
> I keep hearing that commercial real estate is in bad shape. At the
> same time, valuations of stocks are up 70% and I would like to
> diversify my investments a little bit, as I am mostly invested in
> stocks.
>
> I would like to try to buy a small warehouse and just rent it out
> forever. This would not be a purchase for a quick flip.
>
> I was trying to find out some basic things, like rents per square
> foot, prices per square foot, see listings of what is available, etc.
>
> When I just do web searches on this stuff, I come up with so little,
> as if information on this was classified.
>
> I am in Chicagoland and would be interested if someone can help me
> get started with some useful pointers or experiences.

I always like the "driveabout" approach,

You know your area better than anyone...get in the car and drive
around looking for "For Sale" signs in the industrial sections near
you. The logic being that you want it close for convenience and so you
can keep an eye on your investment.

Then follow up on the signs.

You can also stop by your local bank/realtor...and ask them about the
local commercial real estate.

Did you buy your house through a realtor....yet another network
source.

Are you sure you want to be a landlord..it comes with its share of
headaches.

TMT

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 9:13 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

Like any other business, this one requires training and experience.
Spend a year talking to people Ig.

I'm also a little surprised, given the following:

With the Fed Funds rate at zero bonds have only one future and it ain't
pretty.

With the tremendous distress and ongoing deleveraging in the bond market it
still isn't certain what any financial services business ir really worth
these days.

With the upcoming need to refinance a HUGE notional value in corporate high
yield bonds begining in 2011, there might just be a shortage ( and therefore
interest rate run up ) of funding for debt.

That you are thinking about an investment that isn't remotely liquid.

The secondary and even primary, credit markets, aren't so far from trouble
that a little frost might set in and then freeze solid in a big hurry. There
is also a good chance that equities in anything that looks like KKR or what
that bunch has been leveraging might go right to hell without much notice.
What can they do besides have a fire sale if they can't roll over their
bridges?

You are truly a brave fellow!

--
John R. Carroll

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 8:59 pm
From: Larry Jaques

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:16:44 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus8246
<ignoramus8246@NOSPAM.8246.invalid> scrawled the following:

>I keep hearing that commercial real estate is in bad shape. At the
>same time, valuations of stocks are up 70% and I would like to
>diversify my investments a little bit, as I am mostly invested in
>stocks.
>
>I would like to try to buy a small warehouse and just rent it out
>forever. This would not be a purchase for a quick flip.
>
>I was trying to find out some basic things, like rents per square
>foot, prices per square foot, see listings of what is available, etc.
>
>When I just do web searches on this stuff, I come up with so little,
>as if information on this was classified.
>
>I am in Chicagoland and would be interested if someone can help me
>get started with some useful pointers or experiences.

Go talk with a REA, Ig. They can tell you what's out there and who's
ready to sell cheap right now. Something close to you so you can
check on it frequently, right? Warehouses near airports are always
full...in good times. You might find a really nice place in these
economic times. You might also find a small place for your own stuff,
so you don't have to fill up your garage and driveway, eh?

Let us know what you find.

--
Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile I caught hell for.
-- Earl Warren

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 9:09 pm
From: Ignoramus8246

On 2010-03-29, Larry Jaques <ljaques@diversify.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:16:44 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus8246
><ignoramus8246@NOSPAM.8246.invalid> scrawled the following:
>
>>I keep hearing that commercial real estate is in bad shape. At the
>>same time, valuations of stocks are up 70% and I would like to
>>diversify my investments a little bit, as I am mostly invested in
>>stocks.
>>
>>I would like to try to buy a small warehouse and just rent it out
>>forever. This would not be a purchase for a quick flip.
>>
>>I was trying to find out some basic things, like rents per square
>>foot, prices per square foot, see listings of what is available, etc.
>>
>>When I just do web searches on this stuff, I come up with so little,
>>as if information on this was classified.
>>
>>I am in Chicagoland and would be interested if someone can help me
>>get started with some useful pointers or experiences.
>
> Go talk with a REA, Ig. They can tell you what's out there and who's
> ready to sell cheap right now. Something close to you so you can
> check on it frequently, right? Warehouses near airports are always
> full...in good times. You might find a really nice place in these
> economic times. You might also find a small place for your own stuff,
> so you don't have to fill up your garage and driveway, eh?

I will start earnestly looking. I did look a bit on loopnet and it
seems that there are some affordable deals. With a bit of looking I
may be able to find some kind of a buyout deal, where I buy a
warehouse with machinery and sell it off in two months, or something
like that, to help pay my costs.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 9:15 pm
From: John

Ignoramus8246 wrote:
> I keep hearing that commercial real estate is in bad shape. At the
> same time, valuations of stocks are up 70% and I would like to
> diversify my investments a little bit, as I am mostly invested in
> stocks.
>
> I would like to try to buy a small warehouse and just rent it out
> forever. This would not be a purchase for a quick flip.
>
> I was trying to find out some basic things, like rents per square
> foot, prices per square foot, see listings of what is available, etc.
>
> When I just do web searches on this stuff, I come up with so little,
> as if information on this was classified.
>
> I am in Chicagoland and would be interested if someone can help me
> get started with some useful pointers or experiences.
>
The first thing to do is to watch the classified and see what is
available and check the prices of rents on commercial real estate. Also
see what is selling and prices. Also find a commercial real estate
salesperson and pick his brain. I would be very cautious in getting
into a large commercial building. If it stands empty for any time the
taxes are likely to eat you up.

John

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 9:27 pm
From: Ignoramus8246

On 2010-03-29, John R. Carroll <nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
> Ignoramus8246 wrote:
>> I keep hearing that commercial real estate is in bad shape. At the
>> same time, valuations of stocks are up 70%
...
>> I would like to try to buy a small warehouse and just rent it out
>> forever. This would not be a purchase for a quick flip.
>
> Like any other business, this one requires training and experience.
> Spend a year talking to people Ig.

Good idea. I do not expect to find a super great deal, given my level
of expertise, just something where I would not be screwed and where I
do not overpay too much.

> I'm also a little surprised, given the following:
>
> With the Fed Funds rate at zero bonds have only one future and it ain't
> pretty.
>
> With the tremendous distress and ongoing deleveraging in the bond market it
> still isn't certain what any financial services business ir really worth
> these days.
>
> With the upcoming need to refinance a HUGE notional value in corporate high
> yield bonds begining in 2011, there might just be a shortage ( and therefore
> interest rate run up ) of funding for debt.
>
> That you are thinking about an investment that isn't remotely liquid.

Um, I do not see the contradiction. I did not post a message here
saying "I would like to invest in a 30 year bond". I want to buy a
warehouse, not a long bond. I was planning to put up 50-60% in cash
and if I can find a loan at affordable fixed rates (I never take out
other kinds of loans), finance 40-50% of the purchase. If I cannot
find such a loan, I wuold just buy something smaller.

This is all assuming that normalized rents would give sufficient
return on caiptal to make this worthwhile.

If, say, I buy a warehouse, and rates go up, that may indirectly help
me in the longer run, as higher rates would force higher returns on
assets and thus higher rental rates. (though I would also anticipate a
minor reduction of economic activity).

The best time to invest, generally, has been when fear was the mani
public emotion. Investing when everyone feels optimistic and giddy, as
we know by now, does not lead to great results. I had close to 100% of
my money in stocks by March of 90 for that same reason. I was a little
bit early to the party, having started puttnig cash to work in
November, but in the end it worked out.

Same here. If rates rise, our government has trouble paying its bills,
etc, that does not directly result in people not needing warehouse
space.

> The secondary and even primary, credit markets, aren't so far from trouble
> that a little frost might set in and then freeze solid in a big hurry. There
> is also a good chance that equities in anything that looks like KKR or what
> that bunch has been leveraging might go right to hell without much notice.
> What can they do besides have a fire sale if they can't roll over their
> bridges?
>
> You are truly a brave fellow!
>

There are many ways to lose money. One way is by becoming financially
overextended and then hitting a "snag". Another way is to have money
in cash and lose due to inflation. Yet another is pay too much for
assets due to public optimism, compared to their true income producing
ability.

What I am getting at, is that even not investing has its own risks, as
does investing where such troublesome things as you outlined, are not
anticipated.

Consider current Greek troubles. I hear that Greeksw stocks are
down. Imagine a Greek company that sells chewing gum to Greeks and
enjoys substantial market power. Question: how much does the default
of Greek government, impact the earning power of that company? The
answer is, of course, not by much.

I am not really concerned about the possibilities that you mentioned,
if I can buy warehouse space at a price that allows good return from
good renters.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 9:29 pm
From: Ignoramus8246

On 2010-03-29, John <amdinc@intergrafix.net> wrote:
> The first thing to do is to watch the classified and see what is
> available and check the prices of rents on commercial real estate. Also
> see what is selling and prices. Also find a commercial real estate
> salesperson and pick his brain. I would be very cautious in getting
> into a large commercial building. If it stands empty for any time the
> taxes are likely to eat you up.

I was thinking about something like 4k square feet, two bay doors or
something like that. Not a big building 90% financed via leverage.

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TOPIC: Millrite X-axis thrust bearings were frozen
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/804ccadb81028937?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 8:11 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Mar 28, 7:12 pm, Joseph Gwinn <joegw...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On my old (built in 1965) Millrite MVI vertical mill, one annoyance is the
> difficulty setting the table to a specified X (side-to-side) location. One
> would overshoot, in both directions. My first theory was that this was because
> the X-axis feeedscrew and nut were worn, but I wondered if there was an
> adjustment needing attention, so I got a bright light and looked at the screw as
> I cranked the table back and forth. I could see that things were moving a bit
> at the left end, where the leadscrew is fixed to the table by two opposing
> thrust ball bearings, so I decided to take this assembly apart and de-spooge it.
>
> This assembly has never before been disassembled, I think. The three hex socket
> cap screws that hold the left end "bell" to the table were glued in place by
> well-hardened spooge, and took some force to disassemble, and there were lumps
> of spooge everywhere. Oddly, the deep blind threaded holes into which these cap
> screws go were filled with oily swarf. Cleaned everything out.
>
> It turned out that one of the thrust ball bearings was caked with hardened
> grease, being unable to move, and so the whole assembly rotated, forcing the
> preload nut to turn and loosen, so everything could move. This was a major
> cause of lost motion.
>
> Soaking the two thrust bearings in acetone for four hours dissolved the caked
> grease and allowed free rotation and full cleanout. Bearings looked OK, so
> packed them with Mobil-1 synthetic grease and reassembled the end assembly. The
> preload nut is round and engages threads machined into the feedscrew, rotation
> being prevented by a setscrew in the nut. I didn't like the idea of mashing a
> cup-point setscrew down on and mangling those threads, so I put a little piece
> of annealed copper in under the setscrew, so the copper would mash and conform
> to the steel threads. I tightened the nut first by hand, and then by an added
> 1/8 turn with a pin spanner wrench, only then driving the setscrew home, so
> there is a slight drag when cranking the screw.
>
> The lost motion is now about 0.025", which isn't much better than what it was
> before, but it does seem easier to set the table to a desired location. I'll
> use the mill for a while and see if this is really true. With a DRO, the real
> issue is ability to set to a desired location, not the accuracy of the screw.
> Both the leadscrew and matching nut (5 tpi) are made of steel, but the nut
> (being far shorter) should have suffered more wear than the screw.
>
> Joe Gwinn

Good analysis.

Great repair.

TMT

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 8:51 pm
From: John B. Slocomb

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:12:33 -0400, Joseph Gwinn
<joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

>On my old (built in 1965) Millrite MVI vertical mill, one annoyance is the
>difficulty setting the table to a specified X (side-to-side) location. One
>would overshoot, in both directions. My first theory was that this was because
>the X-axis feeedscrew and nut were worn, but I wondered if there was an
>adjustment needing attention, so I got a bright light and looked at the screw as
>I cranked the table back and forth. I could see that things were moving a bit
>at the left end, where the leadscrew is fixed to the table by two opposing
>thrust ball bearings, so I decided to take this assembly apart and de-spooge it.
>
>This assembly has never before been disassembled, I think. The three hex socket
>cap screws that hold the left end "bell" to the table were glued in place by
>well-hardened spooge, and took some force to disassemble, and there were lumps
>of spooge everywhere. Oddly, the deep blind threaded holes into which these cap
>screws go were filled with oily swarf. Cleaned everything out.
>
>It turned out that one of the thrust ball bearings was caked with hardened
>grease, being unable to move, and so the whole assembly rotated, forcing the
>preload nut to turn and loosen, so everything could move. This was a major
>cause of lost motion.
>
>Soaking the two thrust bearings in acetone for four hours dissolved the caked
>grease and allowed free rotation and full cleanout. Bearings looked OK, so
>packed them with Mobil-1 synthetic grease and reassembled the end assembly. The
>preload nut is round and engages threads machined into the feedscrew, rotation
>being prevented by a setscrew in the nut. I didn't like the idea of mashing a
>cup-point setscrew down on and mangling those threads, so I put a little piece
>of annealed copper in under the setscrew, so the copper would mash and conform
>to the steel threads. I tightened the nut first by hand, and then by an added
>1/8 turn with a pin spanner wrench, only then driving the setscrew home, so
>there is a slight drag when cranking the screw.
>
>The lost motion is now about 0.025", which isn't much better than what it was
>before, but it does seem easier to set the table to a desired location. I'll
>use the mill for a while and see if this is really true. With a DRO, the real
>issue is ability to set to a desired location, not the accuracy of the screw.
>Both the leadscrew and matching nut (5 tpi) are made of steel, but the nut
>(being far shorter) should have suffered more wear than the screw.
>
>
>Joe Gwinn

The usual procedure is to make all final adjustments from one
direction which negates any looseness in fit between the lead screw
and the nut. Most old guys do it without thinking - back it off a half
turn too far and go back 'till you get where you want to be for the
next cut.

John B. Slocomb

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 9:02 pm
From: Joseph Gwinn

In article <tk80r5lgc9703i0qmvj9op4nho25qp5q0e@4ax.com>,
John B. Slocomb <johnbslocomb@invalid.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:12:33 -0400, Joseph Gwinn
> <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >On my old (built in 1965) Millrite MVI vertical mill, one annoyance is the
> >difficulty setting the table to a specified X (side-to-side) location. One
> >would overshoot, in both directions. My first theory was that this was
> >because
> >the X-axis feeedscrew and nut were worn, but I wondered if there was an
> >adjustment needing attention, so I got a bright light and looked at the
> >screw as
> >I cranked the table back and forth. I could see that things were moving a
> >bit
> >at the left end, where the leadscrew is fixed to the table by two opposing
> >thrust ball bearings, so I decided to take this assembly apart and de-spooge
> >it.
> >
> >This assembly has never before been disassembled, I think. The three hex
> >socket
> >cap screws that hold the left end "bell" to the table were glued in place by
> >well-hardened spooge, and took some force to disassemble, and there were
> >lumps
> >of spooge everywhere. Oddly, the deep blind threaded holes into which these
> >cap
> >screws go were filled with oily swarf. Cleaned everything out.
> >
> >It turned out that one of the thrust ball bearings was caked with hardened
> >grease, being unable to move, and so the whole assembly rotated, forcing the
> >preload nut to turn and loosen, so everything could move. This was a major
> >cause of lost motion.
> >
> >Soaking the two thrust bearings in acetone for four hours dissolved the
> >caked
> >grease and allowed free rotation and full cleanout. Bearings looked OK, so
> >packed them with Mobil-1 synthetic grease and reassembled the end assembly.
> >The
> >preload nut is round and engages threads machined into the feedscrew,
> >rotation
> >being prevented by a setscrew in the nut. I didn't like the idea of mashing
> >a
> >cup-point setscrew down on and mangling those threads, so I put a little
> >piece
> >of annealed copper in under the setscrew, so the copper would mash and
> >conform
> >to the steel threads. I tightened the nut first by hand, and then by an
> >added
> >1/8 turn with a pin spanner wrench, only then driving the setscrew home, so
> >there is a slight drag when cranking the screw.
> >
> >The lost motion is now about 0.025", which isn't much better than what it
> >was
> >before, but it does seem easier to set the table to a desired location.
> >I'll
> >use the mill for a while and see if this is really true. With a DRO, the
> >real
> >issue is ability to set to a desired location, not the accuracy of the
> >screw.
> >Both the leadscrew and matching nut (5 tpi) are made of steel, but the nut
> >(being far shorter) should have suffered more wear than the screw.
> >
> >
> >Joe Gwinn
>
>
> The usual procedure is to make all final adjustments from one
> direction which negates any looseness in fit between the lead screw
> and the nut. Most old guys do it without thinking - back it off a half
> turn too far and go back 'till you get where you want to be for the
> next cut.

Yep. Though I'm still trying to achieve true old-guy machinist status. I had
come to the go-one-way solution, but cutting in one direction but not the other
(even with the X-axis clamped) still caught my attention.

Joe Gwinn

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TOPIC: Millrite cuts in one direction only
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fa5c0f160bbad90b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 8:14 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Mar 28, 6:39 pm, Joseph Gwinn <joegw...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <ZuRrn.101423$Bs1.57...@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com>,
>
> Wes <clu...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > Joseph Gwinn <joegw...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >> Not for nothin', Joe, but checking the gibs is normally a weekly
> > >> cleanup/lubrication task.
>
> > >Yep, but I don't think people really do it weekly.
>
> > >Especially, the table-saddle gib, which is quite inaccessible.
>
> > Joe,
>
> > Did you buy it new?
>
> No, I bought it used. It was made in 1965, and looks it.
>
> > If not, did you do a tear down to inspect it?
>
> No, but I did see and hear it run before buying it.
>
> I have been incrementally repairing things, with periodic reports to RCM
> documenting my progress in learning both machining and machine tool repair. The
> big problem has been things frozen by lumps of spooge. As time permits, I take
> something apart and clean it, lubricate it, then reassemble it.
>
> Having never owned a machine tool before, I would be loath to do this all in one
> go, even if I had the time.
>
> I also added an X,Y, Z (quill) DRO, which is a great help.
>
> > My Bridgeport needed the oiling system repaired, a bit of shim on the knee
> > gib, and a new Y screw and split nut to get it up to usefull status. The Y
> > screw failed due to a blocked oiler.
>
> The Millrite has no oiling system save the user with oilgun in hand. So far,
> spooge removal has sufficed, and I have not had to replace anything.
>
> Joe Gwinn

The Millrite is a very good machine for the HSMer.

Simple and easily repaired.

TMT

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TOPIC: #OT# Re: An open letter to conservatives
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9be56917d888f492?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 9:19 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

F. George McDuffee wrote:
> distro pruned to AMC and RCM, #OT# added to subject
>
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:06:42 -0700, sittingduck
> <duck@spamherelots.com> wrote:
>
>> An open letter to conservatives
>> March 22, 2010, 3:16PM
>> http://tinyurl.com/yc55hxj
>> VERY WELL REFERENCED, read at TPM for more info.
>>
> What is truly amazing is that the modern "conservatives," many of
> which are very intelligent and well-educated, apparently thought
> (and still think) they could impose third world wages, third
> world working conditions and pay third world taxes, without
> having a third world society-culture and economy result.

I see no evidence at all that this result wasn't forseen.
The hurry has been to insure that it's the other guy that gets left behind
George, not prevention.

--
John R. Carroll

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 8:39 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:16:00 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org

I've drank tequila with Jesus, nice guy but why would you advertise for
him? It's just a small pottery shop in Ensenada, B.C., Mexico.

--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Republican Party: Our Bridge to the 11th Century
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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 10:08 pm
From: F. George McDuffee

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:19:07 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
<nunya@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:

>F. George McDuffee wrote:
>> distro pruned to AMC and RCM, #OT# added to subject
>>
>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:06:42 -0700, sittingduck
>> <duck@spamherelots.com> wrote:
>>
>>> An open letter to conservatives
>>> March 22, 2010, 3:16PM
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yc55hxj
>>> VERY WELL REFERENCED, read at TPM for more info.
>>>
>> What is truly amazing is that the modern "conservatives," many of
>> which are very intelligent and well-educated, apparently thought
>> (and still think) they could impose third world wages, third
>> world working conditions and pay third world taxes, without
>> having a third world society-culture and economy result.
>
>I see no evidence at all that this result wasn't forseen.
>The hurry has been to insure that it's the other guy that gets left behind
>George, not prevention.
========
You are most likely correct at the level of the Fulds, Thains,
Blankfeins, Geithners and Summers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_S._Fuld,_Jr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Blankfein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Geithner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Summers

However the huge majority of "conservatives" are not at this
level of affluence and influence, but rather are "wannabe"
average people making average wages, which have been falling for
20 years.

There was a thread a short time ago about this, something about
turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.

It is clear that ideology and propaganda continues to trump facts
and logic for far too many people. While something is indeed
trickling down, it ain't money....

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 9:11 pm
From: sittingduck

Stormin Mormon wrote:

> all the condescension and lying to go with it. I wonder if
> anyone actually believes this stuff?

Unfortunately for you, the article is backed up by exhaustive references, and
your statement came straight out of your ass.

Who you gonna believe?

--
Rationality belongs to the cool observer, but because of the stupidity of the
average man, he follows not reason but faith - Reinhold Niebuhr

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 9:29 pm
From: sittingduck

F. George McDuffee wrote:

> It is clear that ideology and propaganda continues to trump facts
> and logic for far too many people. While something is indeed
> trickling down, it ain't money....

http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr251/dksittingduck/reaganomics.jpg?t=1267415057

--
Rationality belongs to the cool observer, but because of the stupidity of the average man, he follows not reason but faith - Reinhold Niebuhr

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TOPIC: The True Colours of Teabaggers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/e77fb546fe14b090?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 8:45 pm
From: tankfixer

In article <hi6sq5tqfpm6hfg38sag5bun61ecq3pp7j@4ax.com>,
mrLookout@yahoo.com says...
>
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:47:42 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <l4amq5lnj4an7ejjfl77i5n46hoq0c6sha@4ax.com>,
> >mrLookout@yahoo.com says...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:22:48 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <bp8jq51bdi2fk3pg58721n7palppltovo7@4ax.com>,
> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On 21 Mar 2010 21:21:05 GMT, D Murphy <dmurf154@att.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >The crowd was far from uniform.
> >> >>
> >> >> Let's take away their socialist medicare, unemployment & social security.
> >> >
> >> >I always figured you for a facist.
> >> >Thanks for confirming it
> >>
> >> Ahh...so YOU want it but you don't want anyone else to have it!
> >
> >You are talking about little Cliffy..
> >He wants to take it away from people he doesn't like.
>
> No..from EVERYBODY.

Really, so you don't bother to read what Cliffy writes ?
You just spout lies....

> >
> >> Typical narrow minded immature conservative.
> >
> >Typical leftist liar
>
> Nope..not a leftist. You're lying again.

I've yet to see any evidence that you are not a leftist....

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TOPIC: So Much For 'Energy Star' Ratings
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/5403aac4554cfb17?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 8:57 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

Erik writes:

> Always had a feeling 'Energy Star' ratings were a mostly bogus hype.

I documented this years ago:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.home.repair/msg/cfdb11dd714d3ce8

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TOPIC: What material for grill grate
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/9468b445cbbb194d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 9:01 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

Ignoramus11443 writes:

> The question is what is the recommended material.

Nothing will last. You're talking about temperature cycling of 1000s of
deg F, with constant showering of sodium chloride and other corrosive
chemicals from cooking, and storing in a condensing atmosphere.

There is no aerospace superalloy that will stand up to that.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 9:12 pm
From: Ignoramus8246

On 2010-03-29, Richard J Kinch <kinch@truetex.com> wrote:
> Ignoramus11443 writes:
>
>> The question is what is the recommended material.
>
> Nothing will last. You're talking about temperature cycling of 1000s of
> deg F, with constant showering of sodium chloride and other corrosive
> chemicals from cooking, and storing in a condensing atmosphere.
>
> There is no aerospace superalloy that will stand up to that.

Would it help to, say, keep a 40 watt lightbulb constantly on, inside
the grill, and/or a grill cover on, to prevent condensation?

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TOPIC: Palin owes taxes
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/158e858323ac6ba7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 9:03 pm
From: grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)

Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:e75f99fa-22b2-466d-9696-741b25dd2435@33g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 23, 10:53 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> wrote:
>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iPplUK3LRlcqXHg-vLF...
>> [
>> ....
>> Two cabins on a backcountry plot partially owned by former Alaska Gov.
>> Sarah Palin have been appraised for property tax purposes for the first
>> time since their construction began several years ago.
>>
>> No taxes have been paid on the structures because local officials
>> learned about them last month.
>>
>> The cabins, a garage-workshop and a sauna have increased the assessed
>> value of the 10-acre site to $111,700, compared with the 2009 appraisal
>> of $12,000. ....
>> ]
>>
>> No permits either, youbetcha.
>> Now, is there another sewage problem?
>> --
>> Cliff
>
> Well Sarah could work it off...what is the going price for a middle
> aged hooker in Alaska these days?
>
> TMT
>

Twice what it is at your house.

--
God, guns and guts made America great.

And Janet Napolitano nervous.

Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?

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