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TOPIC: What is it? Set 332
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/4a34e57b6daa01fa?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:08 am
From: Bill

> Rob H. wrote:
>> Need some help with the unusual shovel this week:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob

1905 -- Hanging (animal) hides to dry?

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:28 am
From: Waltraud Kraft

Hi,

Number 1903 might be a plumbers tool to turn a helix for cleanig stuffed
pipes?

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 10:50 am
From: Nahmie

On Apr 15, 5:09 am, "Rob H." <rhv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Need some help with the unusual shovel this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob

Someone else already got them, but I agree that;
1904 some type of gas burner,

1907 corn cribs

Norm

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 11:57 am
From: J Burns

Rob H. wrote:
> Need some help with the unusual shovel this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

1906: It could be used to scoop muck and water out of a trough.

It also looks like an improvement over the common tin fire shovel. If
you use a little shovel to remove ashes, it's hard to put the ashes into
a bucket without raising dust. With 1906, you could carry the ashes
outside before dumping them into a bucket. It will hold a generous
amount and keep them from spilling or blowing. It looks pretty stable
in case you need to put it down.

A little fire shovel is inadequate to carry coals to start a fire. With
1906, you could reach into a stove with a hot fire and carry a generous
amount of embers securely.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 12:35 pm
From: "Rob H."

> 1904 Gas burner, such as might be used in a gas range.

Yes, it's from an old stove.

Rob

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 12:36 pm
From: "Rob H."

>1906: Coal shovel

Could be, I'm still looking for a reference for this tool.

>1907: Corn cribs

This is correct.

Rob

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 12:39 pm
From: "Rob H."

<joeljcarver@aol.com> wrote in message
news:74940d9e-e2ab-4f19-bbd0-a7fe04c53646@j17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> 1903 - corner brace or, specifically, a gear frame brace.

Correct, for use in confined space when there would be interference with a
regular brace.

Rob

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 1:20 pm
From: "Robert"

"Rob H." <rhvp65@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hq6ok102kh@news7.newsguy.com...
> Need some help with the unusual shovel this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

1903 Hand Drill
1904 Burner
1905 Bacon Hanger
http://www.sausagemaker.com/49340andnbsp8prongbaconhanger.aspx
1906 Use for salt or gravel
1907 Used to dry tobacco
1908 Coat hook that folds up

Robert

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TOPIC: Karl, what do you think about this kit
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/03393350cf311ee5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:17 am
From: steamer

Ignoramus18864 <ignoramus18864@nospam.18864.invalid> wrote:
> http://www.lowcostcncretrofits.com/
>Any thoughts?
--Neat idea but their webpage stinks!

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:28 am
From: Ignoramus22048

On 2010-04-15, Karl Townsend <karltownsend.NOT@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> You've already got servos physically mounted and wired. its got to be way
> less work to just bolt on an encoder, not to mention the cost savings.
>
> Why don't you look up Jon Elson? He's an EMC guru. I know EMC has a real
> active IRC channel if you're into that.

I spoke to Jon today and it was a great conversation. It was nice to
talk to him after knowing him for so many years. I will bring the mill
home from my friend's warehouse, in 2 weeks, and I am sure that Jon will
hear from me again!

> To answer your question, there's got to be a company that offers step-servo
> drivers with a breakout box to Mach. just connect wires and go. I've never
> worked with this, but the control still doesn't get position feedback (open
> loop). I don't see how this is much better than steppers.
>
> Why don't you spend a couple evernings cruising CNCzone.com Its a newsgroup
> so you've got the usual signal/noise problem but lots of good info. All
> these questions have been asked before.
>
> karl
>
>

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TOPIC: OT- Pension funds
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/afda72696f150c7c?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:24 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:04:28 -0700, "azotic" <azotic@cox.net>
wrote:

>
>"Stuart Wheaton" <sdwheaton@fuse.net> wrote in message
>news:31469$4bc52407$d0660039$29712@FUSE.NET...
>> azotic wrote:
>>> Here is a warning to us all. The Argentine state is taking control of the
>>> country's privately-managed pension funds in a drastic move to raise
>>> cash.
>>>
>>> It is a foretaste of what may happen across the world as governments
>>> discover that tax revenue, and discover that the bond markets are
>>> unwilling to plug the gap. The G7 states are already acquiring an
>>> unhealthy taste for the arbitrary seizure of private property.
>>>
>>> So, over $29bn of Argentine civic savings are to be used as a funding
>>> kitty for the populist antics of President Cristina Kirchner.
>>>
>>> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/5504137/Argentina_seizes_pension_funds_to_pay_debts_Whos_next/
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>> Tom.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm. Here in America the usual approach is that multibillion dollar
>> corporations declare bankruptcy, dump their pension obligations onto the
>> government for pennies on the dollar, and then emerge fat and happy. and
>> the CEO gets a big bonus for 'saving' the company.
>
>Our progressive government will protect us by requiring all retirement
>accounts
>can only be invested in the safest securities known to man, US treasury
>notes.
>
>Best Regards
>Tom.
>
=========
In the U.S. we have "priate enterprise" and the "free market"...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/business/16pension.html?src=busln

Quadrangle Group Settles Pension Fund Case
By LOUISE STORY
Published: April 15, 2010

The Quadrangle Group, the private equity firm that was once run
by the Obama administration's car czar, has agreed to settle a
corruption investigation with Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo's
office and the Securities and Exchange Commission.

<snip>
"This case has started a national investigation of public pension
funds all across the nation," said Mr. Cuomo, the attorney
general of New York State, in a media call. "A significant amount
of this country's wealth are in these public pension funds and I
fear — seeing what we've seen in New York — that it's going to be
a serious problem for the nation."

The case is a chapter in a lengthy investigation of kickbacks
paid by investment firms to advisers for the New York state
pension fund. Several investment firms including the Carlyle
Group have already settled related cases. The firms were accused
of paying kickbacks to individuals close to the state's former
comptroller in order to convince the state to invest pension
money in their funds.
<snip>
==========

FWIW -- California also has this problem with some of its large
public employee retirement funds.

Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:52 am
From: Gunner Asch

http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/17260182/1610997888/name/ftc-vi26.wmv

No comment necessary

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 10:38 am
From: F. George McDuffee

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:52:41 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote:

>http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/17260182/1610997888/name/ftc-vi26.wmv
>
>
>No comment necessary
>
>
>Gunner
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You may also like this zinger. Be sure and scan the reader
comments.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100415/us_time/08599198195800;_ylt=Aisq_UiFhHSVPgqWX6kQaqO26ysC;_ylu=X3oDMTM1dGhkMWdoBGFzc2V0A3RpbWUvMjAxMDA0MTUvMDg1OTkxOTgxOTU4MDAEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM1BHBvcwM1BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDZ21zcGVuc2lvbmZ1
GM's Pension: A Ticking Time Bomb for Taxpayers?
By JOSEPH R. SZCZESNY Joseph R. Szczesny – 2 hrs 46 mins ago

General Motors Corp. may no longer be the world's biggest
automaker, but it still operates the country's largest pension
fund. The threat to its pension plans has always been an issue,
butit took on a new urgency when GM disclosed April 7 that its
plans were underfunded by more than $27 billion, with more than
half of that being owed to U.S. workers and retirees. Across
town, a post- bankrupt Chrysler faces its own pension shortfall.
Moreover, a report last week from the Government Accounting
Office (GAO) says the pension crisis in the auto industry could
create an unprecedented crisis for the federal Pension Benefit
Guarantee Corp., a government-sponsored organization to backstop
company pensions.
<snip>

It is clear the "fall-out" from the economic implosion is far
from over.

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TOPIC: Just a heads up....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/507d36381a50823d?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:28 am
From: sittingduck

Deucalion wrote:

>>On Apr 14, 2:28ÿpm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d13-
Spec...
>>>
>>> Special-army-unit-ready-to-be-deployed-on-American-soil-just-before-
>>> Nov-elections
>>>
>>> Im simply nutz eh?
>>>
>>> Laugh laugh laugh
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>
>>Yes, you are simply nuts.
>
> Just another thing to thank George Bush for I guess. Once the
> government receives a new power, they hardly ever relinquish it. It's
> a one-way street.
>
> BTW, gunner's heads up is about two years too late. But, it was a
> good thing in gunnerland when Bush started and implemented it.

Maybe it's true, but the troops will be deployed to keep the dipshit
republicans and teabaggers from killing themselves when they find out
they're going to be big losers once again....

--
Rationality belongs to the cool observer, but because of the stupidity of
the average man, he follows not reason but faith - Reinhold Niebuhr

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 11:06 am
From: Eregon

"Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in
news:4bc73444$0$22551$607ed4bc@cv.net:

>
> "Eregon" <Eragon@Saphira.org> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D5B601A3251DEragon@74.209.131.10...
>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in
>> news:4bc6d612$0$5011$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>
>>> Now they can defend themselves with Toyotas and Hyundais -- if they
>>> can get enough parts from Asia...
>>
>> Also Fords, Dodges, and a whole slew of military vehicles - not to
>> mention the shipyards, munitions plants, and other non-union
>> manufacturing facilities.
>>
>> Thanks to the NIMBY attitudes of the yankees and left-coasters
>> there's the majority of refineries and sufficient petroleum
>> production to enable us to be self-sufficient while letting the snow
>> belt freeze over each winter.
>>
>> FWIW, a high volume of yankees migrate south each winter and provide
>> us with quite a bit of their children's/grandchildren's
>> inheritances...
>
> Total manufacturing in the south, even including states like Oklahoma
> and New Mexico, is 39% of the US total. Don't start another rebellion.
> <g>
>
> The supposed amount of manufacturing in the south is grossly
> overestimated by most people. It's startling because there was so
> little manufacturing in the past, but there isn't all that much of it
> now, either.
>

Given the broadcast media's and government's reports, the NE is already
down the tubes.

Of course, nobody ever believes either of those sources...<g>

BTW, Ed, the biggest difference between Southern and Union manufacturing
is that the Southern plants are hiring and the Union plants aren't.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 11:21 am
From: "Ed Huntress"

"Eregon" <Eragon@Saphira.org> wrote in message
news:Xns9D5B85554B653Eragon@74.209.131.10...
> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in
> news:4bc73444$0$22551$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
>>
>> "Eregon" <Eragon@Saphira.org> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D5B601A3251DEragon@74.209.131.10...
>>> "Ed Huntress" <huntres23@optonline.net> wrote in
>>> news:4bc6d612$0$5011$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>>
>>>> Now they can defend themselves with Toyotas and Hyundais -- if they
>>>> can get enough parts from Asia...
>>>
>>> Also Fords, Dodges, and a whole slew of military vehicles - not to
>>> mention the shipyards, munitions plants, and other non-union
>>> manufacturing facilities.
>>>
>>> Thanks to the NIMBY attitudes of the yankees and left-coasters
>>> there's the majority of refineries and sufficient petroleum
>>> production to enable us to be self-sufficient while letting the snow
>>> belt freeze over each winter.
>>>
>>> FWIW, a high volume of yankees migrate south each winter and provide
>>> us with quite a bit of their children's/grandchildren's
>>> inheritances...
>>
>> Total manufacturing in the south, even including states like Oklahoma
>> and New Mexico, is 39% of the US total. Don't start another rebellion.
>> <g>
>>
>> The supposed amount of manufacturing in the south is grossly
>> overestimated by most people. It's startling because there was so
>> little manufacturing in the past, but there isn't all that much of it
>> now, either.
>>
>
> Given the broadcast media's and government's reports, the NE is already
> down the tubes.

Which government report is that?

>
> Of course, nobody ever believes either of those sources...<g>
>
> BTW, Ed, the biggest difference between Southern and Union manufacturing
> is that the Southern plants are hiring and the Union plants aren't.

Not really:

http://lehd.did.census.gov/led/JobGainsLosses/2009Q1/A00000E.pdf

There's no real pattern. Even in 2008, some southern states were
experiencing among the highest rates of job losses in manufacturing.

Or do you have more recent, specific comparative data?

--
Ed Huntress

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 11:19 am
From: Steve Ackman

In <0u9cs5l64l4v30shkvkr4cldj2eacjdhbv@4ax.com>, on Wed, 14 Apr 2010
16:40:26 -0400, Ned Simmons, news@nedsim.com wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:30:05 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
><huntres23@optonline.net> wrote:

>>> Ok, so as long as they are available, let's send them down to our Southern
>>> border for some real Homeland Security duties
>>
>>Maryland?
>
> New Hampshire.

No need. The border patrol is already there in force.
Two summers ago, we were headed south on I-93. Just
south of the notch, we were stopped at a Border Patrol
checkpoint. Apparently there's now a border between
the North Country and the rest of the state.

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TOPIC: China's economy roars
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/fc7e030eba7ff125?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:38 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 06:57:51 -0700, "Bush's Jockstrap, Rush"
<idiot@snobilly.net> wrote:

>>
>> Actually..you are forgetting Clinton was REALLY nice to Red China, after
>> all..he gave them billions of dollars worth of TOP SECRET military
>> hardware. And he did set the laws up to make it desireable for many
>> companies to move their manufacturing in China
>>
>> And he refused to sign NAFTA
>>
>>
>> Gunner

>Bush good.

Bush so so.

>
>Clinton bad, ugh, ugh!

Indeed.

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 10:50 am
From: Wexford

On Apr 15, 8:05 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:29:41 -0700 (PDT), Kevin Cunningham
>
>
>
>
>
> <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 15, 5:13 am, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>
> >>news:drcds5hrar56904e9qlnrlmnjl7o3h3vph@4ax.com...
>
> >> > http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE63D09120100415?type=usDollarRpt
> >> > "China's economy began 2010 at a cracking pace, logging surprisingly
> >> > strong
> >> > 11.9 percent year-on-year growth in the first quarter ..."
>
> >> > Dang communists!!
> >> > Communism will never work, eh, gummer?
> >> > Can you get a job there?
> >> > --
> >> > Cliff
>
> >> It is NOT communism they have in China--it is DICTATORSHIP, for starters.
> >> The elite/Communist party members do very well in their modified capitalism
> >> system. It is a dictatorship that will go down in history as being one of
> >> the TOP FIVE of all tyrannical, despotic cruel governments, rivaled by
> >> Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia.
>
> >So why are all you conservatives buying Red Chinese stuff? Why do we
> >trade with these evil people? Why did Bush-Cheney fall all over
> >themselves to be nice to those evil Reds? Why did Bush-Cheney pay
> >people tax money so they would move their factories to China?

****************************************

> Because we cant get American made stuff in certain items? TVs and
> electronic equipment for example?
>
> Actually..you are forgetting Clinton was REALLY nice to Red China, after
> all..he gave them billions of dollars worth of TOP SECRET military
> hardware. And he did set the laws up to make it desireable for many
> companies to move their manufacturing in China

The Clinton administration never gave any hardware or software to
China.

> And he refused to sign NAFTA

NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement. It has to do with
trade among the US , Canada and Mexico. China isn't a signatory.

It was the Republicans, led by Nixon, who recognized China and opened
the Chinese market to trade. Mao loved Nixon so much that, even after
Nixon had resigned, Mao kept in touch with him. When Nixon's daughter,
Tricia, was married, Mao sent his private plane to Los Angeles, picked
them up, and feted them in China for two weeks.

Walmart is China's greatest asset. It provided a way for Chinese goods
to flow effortlessly to all places in the US, and really created the
American market for Chinese-made items. The Waltons are all staunch
Republicans who, by the way, benefited tremendously from tax-law re-
regulation passed by Bush and the Pug Congress.

Virtually every American company doing business in China is headed by
a Pug contributer.

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TOPIC: OT: [OT] That was funny!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/bae1b5ba237c255b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:39 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 06:53:38 -0600, Lewis Hartswick
<lhartswick@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>> Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls, But Violet Gives Willingly for Gold or
>>> Silver...
>>>
>>
>> Crom yes..I use it at least once a week!
>>
>
>After reading those for over 30 years you don't need
>any mnemonics. :-) Just looking at any color brings
>the number up automatically. :-)
> ...lew...

Not..if you had a stroke.

Shrug

Gunner

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 11:24 am
From: Steve Ackman

In <75ucs59nprlgio2lni9kukm1lriecpgo5d@4ax.com>, on Wed, 14 Apr 2010
19:24:38 -0700, Larry Jaques, ljaques@diversify.invalid wrote:

> Ayup. And for the solar system, Mr. Victor Eats Many Jam Sandwiches
> Until Plump. But Plump ain't kosher no mo so she's out.

And Neptune?

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TOPIC: Sheet rock screws: fine vs coarse thread?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/405481ecb9601863?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:49 am
From: "Twayne"

In news:hq5b2101tlm@news1.newsguy.com,
Bob Engelhardt <bobengelhardt@comcast.net> typed:
> rangerssuck wrote:
>> ...
>> Also, for what it's worth, coarse threads require fewer
>> turns to screw in, and therefore, go in faster.
>
> Ah, not so. Well, sometimes, maybe. The fine thread
> screws are double-threaded, so they go in twice as fast as
> they would otherwise.
> Bob

No, they are not double-threaded. YOu're thinking of something
else. Coarse is just that; a much coarser thread, more
diameter than a fine, and fewer turns to drive in but I've
never found that to be an issue of any kind.

HTH,

Twayne`

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TOPIC: A new "constitutional right"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/8e77e80070fe5b42?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 10:36 am
From: tankfixer

In article <6tads592tj4fuj2hi8rd0lsob0qsabub1i@4ax.com>,
Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:56:23 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <f4ttr5phhautnpef2rodlhf8sqe86td7h5@4ax.com>,
> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >>
> >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 15:38:25 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <a53ir5l06l8leoo6pg1kkfuk36bf0n5ksg@4ax.com>,
> >> >Clhuprichguesswhat@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:22:01 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> What unconstitutional law might that be?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The McCann-Fiengold monstosity, but you knew that.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act
> >> >> >> "But, in December 2003, the Supreme Court upheld most of the legislation in
> >> >> >> McConnell v. FEC."
> >> >> >> [
> >> >> >> President Barack Obama expressed his concern over the Supreme Court's decision
> >> >> >> during his State of the Union speech, delivered January 27th, saying, "With all
> >> >> >> due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a
> >> >> >> century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests ?-
> >> >> >> including foreign corporations ?- to spend without limit in our elections. I
> >> >> >> don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful
> >> >> >> interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American
> >> >> >> people. And I'd urge Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to
> >> >> >> correct some of these problems." President Obama also called the decision, "?a
> >> >> >> major victory for big oil, Wall Street banks, health insurance companies and the
> >> >> >> other powerful interests that marshal their power every day in Washington to
> >> >> >> drown out the voices of everyday Americans.?
> >> >> >> ]
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hence it was indeed constitutional and you had something else in mind
> >> >> >> or are just willingly ignorant, as usual.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Barack Obama only proved he isn't such a great constitutional scholar...
> >> >>
> >> >> You've never even read the thing, eh?
> >> >
> >> >The constitution ?
> >> >Sure, you might try it..
> >> >reminds me to send copies to my senators and congressman.. maybe to the
> >> >president too since they seem to have not consulted it recently
> >>
> >> IOW You have not.
> >
> >I've read it many times.
> >You should try it
>
> What part of "We the People" & so forth was unclear?
> Where does it say "We the corporations"?

So you are making the argument the government can tell a newspaper what
they print ?

>
> They are the sort of thing to be REGLATED. They are not
> the sort of thing to do the regulating.
>
> >>
> >> >> Too many (and too big) words?
> >> >
> >> >Not many words at all..
> >> >I'm sure your mom can read it to you..
> >>
> >> Like Rush & Faux tell you about it?
> >
> >Cut back on your drugs, you are babbling again
>
> So did you find those "WMDs" yet?

Yup
Drove past em on Friday and again on Sunday.

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TOPIC: rock moving trailer
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/82291bc71526ca50?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 11:44 am
From: Winston

On 4/15/2010 6:45 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:32:19 -0700, the infamous "Steve B"
> <deserttraveler@dishynail.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>
>> "Ignoramus18864"<ignoramus18864@NOSPAM.18864.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:L9WdnfWCALVIwFvWnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On 2010-04-14, Steve B<deserttraveler@dishynail.net> wrote:
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/deserttraveler/
>>>>
>>>> Explanation on there. I think it would be easy to make one out of 3 " x
>>>> 3 "
>>>> tubing, making it like a very large lever to lift the rock only a foot or
>>>> so. Easy to drop the rock just where you want it, too.
>>>
>>> Very nice trailer. Looks practical.
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> $10 at a yard sale. It pivots, too, to dump.
>
> Wow, an Iggylike deal. Cool for you.

Iggyrific!

--Winston

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TOPIC: OT: Ivy "feet" adhesive removal
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/t/acbc8cde17e4af81?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 12:11 pm
From: Bob Gentry

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:00:07 -0600, Lewis Hartswick
<lhartswick@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> Lewis Hartswick wrote:
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>> You should have bought those little lambs when you had the chance!
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Boy does that go back a ways. :-)
>>> How about the Kid too?
>>> ...lew...
>>
>>
>> Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
>> A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?
>> Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
>> A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?
>>
>>
>Don't think the spelling is quite right but don't ask
>me to spell it either. :-)
> ...lew...

Oh, mares eat oats and does eat oats
And little lambs eat ivy
A kid'l eat ivy too, wouldn't you?

Another showing his age <sigh>

rgentry at oz dot net

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